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Subject: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Donuel Date: 10 Jun 06 - 08:23 PM No official reason was given but I suppose it was like running into a racist waitress at Denny's, an individual is probably respondsible and not the Lycos corporation in cooperation with the NSA ;). I tried to restore it but after each hoop I was told to jump through they always claimed I had not faxed them the appropriate information. After 4 months I can longer buy into a simple comedy of errors scenario, it is deliberate. So after 10 years of building the damn thing where should I start over now? blog sphere or what. I may never start over again anyway. Of course its not just a website that has shut down, this month both cars broke down, the central air conditioner died, the pool heater melted, the attic fan is kaput etc. I used to enjoy sharing my attempts at art and editorial cartoons but after 15 years with no success or recognition, a website is just another $30 a month expense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 10 Jun 06 - 08:48 PM Start rebuilding with last month's (50 cent) DVD copy.
You SURELY kept a BACKUP at least monthly, if not weekly?
Don't you have a copy on your HD? Check from you last update. Search by date and time.
ASK for HELP - on your opening URL page for folks to send you their computer's memory cache. Review your logs, determine your last 500 visitors and ask them - also post the URL in your favorite newsgroups, or links connections, someone may still have it in their cache.
If all is lost, you can find a structure of sorts in Library of Congress "WayBackMachine."
Good luck.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Peace Date: 10 Jun 06 - 08:51 PM Don, Your art is beautiful. Please do not call them attempts. You are without doubt world class. Your work is both inspired AND inspirational. If you are off the 'air' for a bit, that's cool. But please don't think of being off the air forever. NO WAY to that. You be a bit down right now, bro, but a new day will dawn and the sun WILL shine. This world would be one sorry-ass place without the likes of da Vinci, Monet, Rodin, Beethoven, Mozart, Guthrie, Dylan. You are in their league, IMO. Remember that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 10 Jun 06 - 08:54 PM "after 15 years with no success or recognition" Maybe that should tell you something |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Peace Date: 10 Jun 06 - 08:54 PM "Friends" by Don Hakman |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Peace Date: 10 Jun 06 - 08:56 PM "The Fire of Alexandria" by Don Hakman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Peace Date: 10 Jun 06 - 08:57 PM "Captain of your Dreams" by Don Hakman |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Peace Date: 10 Jun 06 - 09:06 PM '"after 15 years with no success or recognition" Maybe that should tell you something " I guess it should have told this guy something, too. I'm glad it didn't! |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Amos Date: 10 Jun 06 - 09:07 PM Clinton, go piss up a rope; you should be a quarter as good. Don, find another way. You could offer to sue them, I suppose. Anyway, there are plenty of straight-shooting web hosts out there. Another route is to calculate buying your own server and cable- or better connection for it, 24/7. You could have a teenager maintain the web server for you. In the final analysis it might not cost you too much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 10 Jun 06 - 09:10 PM At least I don't think/pretend/listen to people who tell me I'm something I'm not.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Peace Date: 10 Jun 06 - 09:11 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 10 Jun 06 - 09:45 PM No grounds for a suit - don't be rediculous - the guy is lazy and does not backup.
Angelfire
Look dude - first of all don't be so cheap. If it is important to YOU - pay the price. You get what you pay for.
Now that you have learned your lesson - let us begin with the BASICS:
OK your next decision is: SHARED - or DEDICATED ???? Your budget says "shared" however, look over these options
http://www.webhostdir.com/hostingDirectory/
These are low budget:
HOWEVER - you Want/Need reliability (AND automatic BACKUP - since you don't)
YOU HAVE MULTIPLE - Major Industry Sources in your own backyard;
Check out multiple sources before negotiating - why pay two bills when it could be one? http://www.free-webmaster-tools.com/domains/hosting.html Have You considered installing your own server? (oh, I forgot, you don't backup)
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 10 Jun 06 - 09:57 PM In restro-spect...it was probably because of your host AngelFire's (and the association and experience with their hosting)reputaion that I associated your type of "crafts-man instruments" with the black-velvet paintings of Maroline Monroe and the decal of Elvis laminated into the finish of a a 200 USD nylon-string guitar on Revolution Avenue in Tijuana Mexico.
You might have grounds for a lawsuit after-all.
Then again, buyer-beware. You were the one who selected and were paying 30 a month for a free-service.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:05 PM Mark Clark recently mentioned Lypha in a recent thread. Thier shared hosting plans excellent to me and I believe their reliability is first rate. I'd guess thier economy package would meet your requirements al least several times over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: katlaughing Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:12 PM Tripod is part of Lycos, so that wouldn't work, if you are *banned* from there. Try a blog, for starters. It's free and some great things are happening with them, for some people. One young woman got a book publishing deal out of her blog; bloggers are becoming a Force to be reckoned with in journalism, etc. Your artwork is quite often brilliant and spot on the political scene these days. I am glad you have shared with us. Good luck on the home stuff, too. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:28 PM As for hosting your own server, I think in most cases, you are better off without it. You are not going to beat the online deals and may (or may not) create yourself a few headaches. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: CarolC Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:09 AM We have a website that is being hosted by Godaddy.com, with our own domain and domain name, that costs us less than ten dollars a month. I built the whole thing using only code, but if you have a webuilding tool, you could use that. We haven't had it very long, so we don't know what their record is for reliability, but so far so good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: dianavan Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:41 AM I was wondering where you were, Donuel. I'm waiting for you cartoon of Condi and her husband, George. I don't know of anyone who can create the political cartoons that you do. You seem to be able to be able to illustrate ideas that would not otherwise be seen. Clinton- You're just jealous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: dianavan Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:57 AM Criticism of Donuel's art from a guy in rusty chainmail. Go figure... http://home.cogeco.ca/~sword4hire/hauberk.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 11 Jun 06 - 09:58 AM " Clinton- You're just jealous" Nothing to be jealous of |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: GUEST Date: 11 Jun 06 - 11:02 AM I run two websites, private, not shared, and the total cost is less than $30 per month. Someone is/was getting a screw job, but, in view of no backup, it is understandable. What was the wesite about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Alice Date: 11 Jun 06 - 11:06 AM I have used godaddy.com for many years for domain names and forwarding. I use my ISP space for hosting the site, but have a masked url of aliceflynn.com and others that forwards from godaddy to the ISP. My ISP costs $19 a month. Good luck alice |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: hesperis Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:40 PM I still run a small hosting company, recently changed to a new server with better prices. PM me for details. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Bev and Jerry Date: 11 Jun 06 - 07:51 PM Try Jatol - the greatest web site host in the galaxy. Here's, the link. We've had a site there for nearly three years and as far as we can tell it's never been down. The cost? $45 per YEAR including domain registration. One of the ways they keep the cost down is by not taking phone calls. Everything is done on the internet but there response to our email questions has been nearly instantaneous and extremely helpful - above and beyond the call of duty. Bev and Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Jun 06 - 08:48 PM Some of us did save copies of some of them, Donuel - personally, I didn't want to have to go online with dialup every time I wanted to look at one - I had no intention of ripping you off. If you want to get copies (but you DID keep them on your machine, didn't you?), please ask here - I'm sure that I was not the only one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Jun 06 - 10:56 PM Price depends on space available and sponsored ads appearing or not. It's difficult to pronounce a site as a "rip off" or not unless you know how much space was involved, how many discrete pages, etc. For posting images alone there are a lot of free places like Yahoo and Flickr. Surely your Internet provider offers some sort of web publishing deal--you don't go online via the Angelfire folks, do you? How do you connect to the Internet now? See what you can do with the materials at your fingertips. My IP folks are Earthlink, and the space is growing all of the time. You can have up to 8 email addresses and you can have I think 100meg of web space PER email address. I'd set up a couple of dummy addresses just to use the space, if I were you and had this service. Good luck. I always enjoy your art (especially now that I have had broadband for a while and can download them when they're the huge ones). SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: GUEST Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:05 AM Price depends on space available and sponsored ads appearing or not. It doesn't. I'm not sure about getting an ad free site without space but in terms of space which is just one factor, while an individual company will often have lower and higher end packages, prices vary trememdously. Other factors to consider are bandwidth and depending on what you want to do, other facilities such as email, scripting, a database, etc. The most generous allownaces of the sites I have looked at for this thread is the lypha site I linked to. They are not the most expensive, wanting $7.95pm (or $6.95 for 2 year contract) for 50Gigabytes storage space and 1000Gigabytes monthly (33GB daily) bandwidth together with tools, that enable dynamic websites, free scrips such as a fourum, etc. One could host a large and busy site with that sort of spec. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Donuel Date: 12 Jun 06 - 10:36 AM I'm reasonably backed up. ugh I think it would be nice to trade problems with someone else sometimes. Crap! Now my hedge fund has gone belly up, my cigarette boat is missing, my Gulf Stream private jet has landing gear trouble, one of my Swiss bank accounts has been corrupted, my chief lobbyist is under indictment, our illegal nanny is being deported and worst of all the death tax was defeated this week!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Donuel Date: 12 Jun 06 - 10:51 AM Earth link sounds like a good host. Maybe $30 - $45 a month is cheap for a website but it seemed like alot to me. I don't want to spend alot for a muffler. btw This week I saw on C-Span a convention for progressive bloggers. It was great to see many of the top bloggers and internet journalists that have gone where newspapers have dared not go. There was a standing ovation when a blogger accused the administration of treason over the Plame affair and false rationals for never ending war. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Jun 06 - 11:22 AM Donuel $35-$45 pm is a lot for many websites. How much space, what bandwidth, etc. do you require? Not even the earthlink premium @$42.28ntw is offering as much as the one I found at $7.95 btw: 10GB cf 50GB diskspace 200GB cf 1000GB monthly bandwidth and much less in the way of other features. Go for what you want but I'd avise shopping around a bit more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 12 Jun 06 - 12:24 PM " There was a standing ovation when a blogger..." Of course there was... That's called self aggrandizement.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Kaleea Date: 12 Jun 06 - 01:14 PM Sounds like a curse, so try Madame Lollapalooza, "seezall, blabzall, removes curses!" she's just up the street from me. for a mere $9999999999999999999999999999999, she'll build you a website & remove all your curses. Removal of inlaws from your premisis is extra. |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Jun 06 - 02:47 PM You missed the point, guest of 12 Jun 06 - 05:05 AM. Of COURSE there is a price variation when you get more space than less space, and there is a price variation if you want to run a site with only your material and without someone's banner ads popping up at the top or side of your pages. The Earthlink option is without any ads, it is your space to use. The Angelfire and other "free" sites are sponsored, meaning you have to live with their ads on your page, that's why it costs you less. You have to pay for the luxury of running your own site free of someone else's advertising. Why does Yahoo let you post unlimited numbers and volumes of photos in their "Free" pages? Because people can come in and look at your photos and unless you've blocked the service, Yahoo can sell your photo to interested buyers. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: lost my website, who should I use now? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Jun 06 - 03:59 PM Sorry missed my name again srs... No, I'd not missed that point but I thought you were suggesting that the more you paid for a web hosting, the more you would get and I wanted to make it clear that is not always the case and it's worth shopping around. |
