9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing

Subject: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: nutty
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 02:14 PM

Rather than post to the other incerdibly biased, 1 out of 10 Muslims etc. thread, I thought I would give people the opportunity to post here.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: number 6
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 02:19 PM

99 bottles of beer on the wall

99 bottles of beer ...

sIx

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 02:22 PM

But 6 out of 10 want to know what abhor means.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: number 6
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 02:28 PM

abhor .... a bore .... like this topic has become quite boring if not repulsive.

Just a platform for certain ones to blow there pompous horn on .... just promoting bigotry and hatred.

sIx

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 02:44 PM

But Nutty, you know that "1.3 Million protested Iraq war in London" is much more interesting than "58.3 Million did not protest the war in London yesterday".

In addition to that you have misstated the survey in your title and your post. What you claim to be correct has not been asked at all. So you cannot know whether it is true.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: nutty
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 02:52 PM

But Wolfgang .... can you ever believe anything that you read in the papers? I have merely interpreted the statement in my own way.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: 282RA
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 03:03 PM

First of all, it was British Muslims not ALL Muslims. I can guarantee that among ALL Muslims probably 7 in 10 think any blow struck at the West by Muslims is okay. For 1 in 10 British Muslims to that way of the London Bombing is extraordinarily high.

I don't see that this is necessarily a racist topic or even a biased one. And I don't hate the Muslims for it. I hate them for their treatment of women. I hate us for stirring them up against us.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: kendall
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 03:51 PM

I know a young Muslim. I work with him and he is disgusted by the actions of a few radicals.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: number 6
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 04:55 PM

"I hate us for stirring them up against us."

'us' .... interesting 282RA. I was first miffed at that statement 'us' as I reacted no way does it include me ... but stepping away from it and giving it a 'thought', you are correct ... 'us' does include all of us. Everytime we fill up at the gas (petrol) station, every time we buy some baked product (in a plastic container)at the grocers, our daily western lives does in someway include some interaction to an action that stirs the shit over in the mideast.


sIx

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 06:01 PM

...can you ever believe anything that you read in the papers?

Definitely not where polls are concerned. The one thing pollsters don't tell us is how many people refused to take their poll. The people who are most likely to refuse to participate are those who hold the most unpopular beliefs. Such people are naturally suspicious, even to the point of believing poll-takers are government agents, so they slam the door in their faces. Or, if they don't refuse to participate they may give false answers so as not to "incriminate" themselves.

There's no way to know what the poll results might have been if 100% of those approached had responded honestly, but I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people who expressed admiration for the bombers is actually double what the survey indicated. That would make the title of this thread "7.5 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing".

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 06:08 PM

I can guarantee that among ALL Muslims probably 7 in 10 think any blow struck at the West by Muslims is okay.

Pray, AR282, let us know how your guarantee works. I, for one, would love to benefit from it...

Than again I expect you are talking as much crap as you usualy spout.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 07:30 PM

...and the 10th Muslim abhors dachshunds and onion buns.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 07:47 PM

I can guarantee...

I'm waiting for the numbers and citations for the numbers, and I, like DtG, am eager to know what benefit awaits the rest of us should you fail to support your accusation with facts.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 08:01 PM

More than 17,000 people in 17 nations were interviewed from April to June for the survey, the sixth multination poll by the non-partisan group since 2002. Some results were released last month.

Among the new findings:

• Support for suicide bombings and other acts of violence in defense of Islam has dropped since 2002 by 34 percentage points in Lebanon, 12 points in Indonesia and 8 points in Pakistan. The exception to the trend is Jordan, where support increased by 14 points, to 57%.

There are higher levels of support for suicide bombings that target Americans and their allies in Iraq, though they also have dropped. About half of Muslims in Lebanon, Jordan and Morocco said those attacks were justified.

• Confidence in bin Laden has fallen by double-digit margins in Indonesia, Morocco and Lebanon since 2003. In Lebanon, only 2% now express confidence in him.

The al-Qaeda leader is viewed most positively in Jordan and Pakistan, where more than half say they have confidence in him.

• Most Muslims believe Islam is playing a larger role in their national politics and see that as a positive development.

In nine Western nations polled, fears about radical Islam were tied to perceptions of Muslim communities within those countries. Resident Muslims were seen as having a strong and growing sense of Islamic identity, a situation most of those surveyed saw as a bad thing.

Even so, in the United States and most Western nations majorities said they had favorable views of Muslims. Those in predominantly Muslim countries had mixed views of Christians and very negative views of Jews.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: 282RA
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 08:02 PM

Your guarantee comes in the form of our aggression and occupation of their land. Put yourself in their spot and stop believing the West never does any wrong (of course you'll deny you think this way but you do and I'll also guarantee that). How would you feel if they invaded and occupied your country? If you had any self-respect at all you'd hate them and cheer anyone who incites violence against them.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jul 06 - 11:20 PM

Yeah, this is the real story... Heck, 10% of the US population is right or left winged lunnies so tho find that 90% Meslims is against terrorism makes those of the Islamic faith no btter or worse than the supposed Christains we got right here in the US of A...

Bobert

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 12:53 AM

Your guarantee comes in the form of our aggression and occupation of their land. Put yourself in their spot and stop believing the West never does any wrong (of course you'll deny you think this way but you do and I'll also guarantee that).

This is actually very amusing. You have obviously not read very much of my posting history. Not even the posts I made in the other thread on this subject.

But even though you think you can put yourself in their heads and tell us what they are thinking, you can't, and you don't do them any service by trying to do so. You should think about that very carefully before continuing with that line of reasoning.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 03:19 AM

"You should think about that very carefully before continuing with that line of reasoning".

Yeah 282RA, you should stop using that common-sense stuff, even though what you say is blindingly obvious to most thinking people. What you should do is go Googling for so-called "facts" so that you can bollock on interminably with meaningless posts that most of us just skip.

You just listen to Carol now, do you hear?

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 09:51 AM

Boy....what a sad little life you must be leading. Why don't you go and torture your dog some more or blow up a few frogs with firecrackers?

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 12:10 PM

Anonymous random sniping of the sort you've been dishing out, GUEST,05 Jul 06 - 03:19 AM, has as much substance and merit as a fart in a jacuzzi. But I guess it's the best you have to offer, which is kind of sad, really.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: skipy
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 12:28 PM

a fart in a jacuzzi

Still has merit, you may not hear it but the smell will get you!
(sort of a terrorist fart really)
Skipy

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: kendall
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 12:36 PM

How many Americans think that the rape and murders that our soldiers have committed against Iraqis is ok?

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 12:45 PM

That's not "merit", skipy. It's simply a small annoyance.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 03:12 PM

A similar statistic would be: How may Americans in Iraq abhor the the bombings taking place in that country? My best guess would be none of them. This could also read: 100% of Americans in Iraq think bombers are heroes.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 03:18 PM

Tragic that most Muslims would have no idea how to locate London on a map.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 03:49 PM

...and most American and British school children would not be able to locate Iraq, on a map.

Whats your point?

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 03:56 PM

The Arab worl is rich. They keep their people poor and uneducated. That is the point, mouth.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 04:20 PM

So why do you think most British and American children cannot locate Iraq on a map?

Is it because they are rich and educated?

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 04:35 PM

The USA is the richest country in the world, and keeps its people ignorant and very poorly educated, for the most part. The ignorance of Americans about anything much that lies beyond their own borders is legendary. Also, the USA funds and supplies a number of Arab states who keep their people poor and uneducated. Like Saudi Arabia, for instance. Saudi Arabia is where most of the 911 hijackers came from. Money talks, morality walks!

And the USA always goes where the money is...and the oil. Funny about that, the two seem to go together, don't they?

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 04:36 PM

Dianavan is less interested in fact than she is rhetoric.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 04:38 PM

Well, that's true of most people when you come right down to it. Anyway, facts that don't seem to support one's own viewpoint are easy to dismiss, aren't they? Just call them "rhetoric".

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: skipy
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 04:41 PM

CarolC, not if the gas is say, Sarin.
It's me that is simply a small annoyance!
Skipy

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 04:45 PM

Doubletalk is still doubletalk.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 04:49 PM

The great countries that do so educate their people. UN Report.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Big Phil
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 06:27 PM

Is the glass half empty or is it half full                                     ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 06:35 PM

Do you fart sarin, Skipy? You must not have any friends. Not live ones, anyway.

;-)

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: pdq
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 06:40 PM

"what Nature abhors is a Muslim vacuum cleaner"

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 09:09 PM

Right again, LH. The U.S., "...keeps its people ignorant and very poorly educated, for the most part."

I was training to administer IQ tests the other day and imagine my surprise when told that I would have to convert the American norms to Canadian norms because Canadians had to have higher IQ's to be considered normal. Thats a fact. American norms are lower than Canadian. I wonder how that translates to the rest of the world?

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 09:12 PM

But you're an American.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 09:22 PM

The Flynn effect. Look it up.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 09:48 PM

Well, it certainly appeared to be the ambition of most of the boys in my high school classes (in New York State at the time) to at least appear to be as stupid as possible. In the process of deliberately acting stupid, I'd say that a good many of them actually became stupider as time went by. Kind of like life imitating art... Ever seen the movie "Dumb and Dumber"?

Their ignorance of Canada (and everywhere else) was quite obvious...as was their strange assumption that they lived in "the greatest country in the world". Of course, when you're told that by all your teachers from Grade 1 on, I guess you could be forgiven for ending up believing it.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Jul 06 - 06:29 PM

GUEST

You are making an assumption.

Just for the record (for the umpteenth time) - I was born in the States but later became a Canadian citizen. I was educated to grade 12 in the States. When I attended University in Canada, I had to upgrade to be admitted. The upgrades included history, geography and math. I had to work very hard to compete with Canadian students who had a much better basic education than I was given in the States.

I didn't realize, however, that the norms of IQ tests had to be adjusted because the norms in the States were lower than Canadian norms. In other words, the average Canadian is more intelligent than the average American.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 05:47 PM

But we aren't born more intelligent in Canada than in the USA. We just are blessed by being exposed to a lot less total BS in our formative years...and that assists us in developing and applying the natural intelligence that is innate in human beings.

You can make people stupider, and the American broadcast media, educational system, and commercial advertising systems have done wonders in that regard. Kind of like making Wonderbread. It doesn't look like real bread, it doesn't taste like real bread, it isn't real bread...it's squishy and characterless and devoid of useful nutrition...and you can't tell one piece from another. Same basic approach.

"Dumb and Dumber'r"

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 05:50 PM

IQ tests have to be 'normed' as do other types of tests. The Flynn effect. Look it up.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 06:11 PM

True. They only test for a certain kind of "intelligence". Having good reading and math skills helps a lot.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: dianavan
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 06:57 PM

GUEST - I did 'look it up' and can't quite understand how it has anything to do with the difference in Canadian and U.S. norms.

Perhaps you can explain.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 07:00 PM

For instance, a chimpanzee I.Q. test is based on several key areas of behaviour:

1. screaming and hooting loudly and effectively
2. ability to groom others rapidly and effectively
3. biting skills
4. climbing skills
5. glowering
6. shambling
7. hurling dung accurately

You have to score high in all 7 areas to be considered at the top of your class.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 04:02 AM

Ye Gods, Little Hawk! I know some humans who'd be hard pressed to score more than 4 on that test!

LTS

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 04:12 AM

You must know some clever people Liz - I know some who wouldn't score more than 0!

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 04:19 AM

The Civil Service does insist on SOME life skills....

LTS

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 09:50 AM

As I suspected. We need more chimps in the civil service so we can get this country (and yours too) back on its feet and running smoothly.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 01:48 PM

Ye Gods, Little Hawk! I know some humans who'd be hard pressed to score more than 4 on that test!

What's even more disturbing is that I know some who would score even higher than the Chimps...

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 07:27 PM

Did any of you see the Muslim protest at a parade for soldiers returning from Iraq today ?

Thousands of people lined the streets of Luton, Bedfordshire to show their support for the 2nd Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment, known as The Poachers.

A Muslim group, who held up banners reading: "Anglian Soldiers: Butchers of Basra", had tried to disrupt the event.

The whole country is proud of our brave servicemen and women who serve their country with great distinction and courage.

That pride in our armed forces was shown once again today when thousands turned out to welcome the 2nd Battalion the Royal Anglian Regiment.

We should all be proud of the outstanding work our armed forces do.



The protesters, who were hemmed in by police as the parade marched past, waved placards with slogans including: "Anglian Soldiers: cowards, killers, extremists."

One also read: "British Government Terrorist Government."

The protests were also condemned by Defence Secretary John Hutton and his Conservative counterpart Dr Liam Fox.

An Army spokesman said: "The battalion was deeply touched by the strong support shown by the people of Luton today. This visual show of support meant a lot to the soldiers.

"There is no better boost to a soldier than to see hundreds of people turn out to watch them on parade.

"It was a great sight to see the packed streets in some places three or four men deep, and although a small minority of protesters chose to demonstrate this did not detract from the parade and the Poachers deeply appreciate the support shown from the local community."

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Peace
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 07:36 PM

The problem with democracy is that even rude bastards are allowed to speak. That is also the saving grace of democracy.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 07:49 PM

Nobody seems to have made the simple statistical point that since 9 out of 10 anybody would abhor any terrorist act this is actually a null statement. Watch out for those 4 out of 5 dentists Surveyed things, figures can't lie but liars sure can figure.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 10:55 AM

9 out of 10 Muslims (or Northern Irish Catholics, or Hunt saboteurs , etc etc)

have to shout louder than the 1. And it never happens. Reasonable people put their case in a reasonable manner. Shouting ain't reason.

And we are surely adult enough in this forum to understand that 9 out of 10 is shorthand for "a significant majority of the whole". Statistics say what you want them to say because you and those you tell cannot understand gaussian distribution and standard deviation. And never think that to stand a remote chance of getting 1% accuracy you have to canvas 200 people min. And ask the right questions. There is a distinct bias (say 60/40 instead of 50/50) to say yes to any question.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Amos
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 10:57 AM

Gaussian distribution. The distribution of events in a bell shaped curve. This is similar to the sigmoid curve and is derived mathematically but applies to many situations. It indicates there is generally a majority in the middle with extremes at either end. Here the actual number of events is used, where in the sigmoid curve it is the rate of change. A common example is the distribution of grades in a class.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 08:01 PM

I imagine it's quite conceivable that nine out of ten Daily Mail readers are quite decent human beings...

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 09:39 PM

One of my mates is a muslim, he doesn't like cheese. He reckons it gives him belly ache.

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 10:08 PM

What did the pollsters do,..count them all???...What a stupid bunch of nonsense!!

Subject: RE: 9 out of 10 Muslims abhor London Bombing
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 02:21 PM

9 out of 10 cats prefer Kit-e-Kat apparantly. Or they used to some years back. Don't know if the cats are Moslems or if they need a Halal diet though.

Interesting looking back on the thread to see that I believe that the west never does wrong. I didn't know that either! Wonder what I have been protesting about all these years? Ah well, C'est la vie as someone or another says...

:D (eG)