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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 23 Jul 06 - 02:28 AM Don't take these guys serious lads, they are simply crackers ! no one over here listens to them. They keep going to the government seeking funding and get chased. Most of the time they make the news here is for being caught in public toilets wearing french maid outfits and stockings (men I mean) or something with an under age kid. Yes they have a following of ex policemen or members of the Ulster Defence Regiment and individuals that have been thrown out of loyalist paramilitaires, all with a grudge. Nothing to worry about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Big Al Whittle Date: 22 Jul 06 - 08:40 PM 'we, here in Ireland as in so many other former colonies of your Empire, are now quite sophisticated enough to be able to understand that you did need to maintain the Empire, in order to maintain the standard of living that it gave you.' I find that somewhat offensive. My mother and father both grew up in the town of St Helens, lancashire in - born 1919, an 1916 repectively. They both knew literal starvation as children. The streets in which they lived had people die of TB in every single house - theirs included. The whole town was covered literally in a pall of rain clouds containing sulphuric acid from the glass and chemical factories. When my mother got ill with rheumatic fever as child - the only place they could send her to recuperate was her Irish family, where apparently a more wholesome diet and relatively cleaner environment was apparently still within the reach of some of the ordinary people. having big estates over in Ireland might have benefited a few rich English bastards, but surely you are sophisticated enough to understand the folksinger Dick Gaughan's point when he wrote:- 'Irish and Scottish people are sometimes slow to recognise that the first victims of the British Empire were in fact the English people themselves.' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Lil' Kiwi Date: 22 Jul 06 - 08:12 PM I've had a look at that site just now. I feel exactly the same as DtG. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Dave the Gnome Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:07 PM I don't think I have ever seen a site filled with so much hate. It has worked wonders for me Mr Frazer. I previously did not fully understand what the Catholic and Republican community in Northern Ireland had to put up with. I do now. I am surprised they have shown so much restraint. Dave the Gnome |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST Date: 22 Jul 06 - 12:18 PM Hey Bill? ......................./´¯/) ....................,/¯../ .................../..../ ............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ ........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\ ........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...') .........\.................'...../ ..........'\'...\.......... _.·´ ............\..............( ..............\.............\ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 22 Jul 06 - 12:10 PM >a href=http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=92760&messages=162#1781576>Open your eyes, Keith, for Christ sakes 2nd last, and last paragraphs... ... short attention span, Keith.... Not good... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,William Frazer Date: 22 Jul 06 - 11:22 AM Having been told about this site I cannot start to imagine how so many republicans mass together on one site under a hidden site name that is nothing more than a mouthpiece for republican murders. I have worked all my adult life to bring peace and justice to the decent people of Ulster. Clearly you have on idea of what the republicans did in Ulster. If you want to read the truth about events over the past 30 years visit our site at www.victims.org.uk and read our stories for a change. We are known as F.A.I.R. Please view and sign our guestbook on your visit. Thank you William Frazer |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,beachcomber. Date: 22 Jul 06 - 12:05 AM It sometimes really pisses me off to read the constant whinge of those posters who cannot see any view point other than their own. Keith, I really do hope you are enjoying your break away from what , increasingly, appears to be your self-appointed mission to justify each and every action of your British establishment against all and any of it's former subjects who might have made efforts to gain measures of self determination. You may not think so but we, here in Ireland as in so many other former colonies of your Empire, are now quite sophisticated enough to be able to understand that you did need to maintain the Empire, in order to maintain the standard of living that it gave you. You, in turn, should be sophisticated enough to understand that such an arrangement is too one-sided to be acceptable for long, to a modern society. That stage had come in Ireland, even as far back as 1916. The IRA was founded in a legitimate attempt to redress the imbalance that Imperialism was causing , socially, commercially and culturally, in Ireland. It was opposed by Imperialism and, when the normal Imperialistic agencies (the RIC, Militias and Imperial Army) appeared to be failing to regularise matters within an acceptable timeframe, panic set in and "bully boy " tactics seemed the proper alternative for a "super power" to use. Do not forget that the British Government saw Ireland as a part of the UK , just as much so as, Wales, Scotland or , even Lancashire and consequently attempted to redress matters by stronger policing. (Remember also that it's police force was an armed,garrisoned professional one.). We, Native Irish, on the other hand , NEVER saw ourselves as anything other than an invaded people who were determined to regain our sovreignty. The methods we employed were in no way different than those of the British Government , then or later, to defend it's territory or, it's commercial interests, throughout it's Empire. Please do not quote Soloheadbeg or Knocklong as having been the catalysts that sparked the War of Independence. The executions of the 1916 leaders was of a far more significant nature, Indeed the deaths of some civilians after the "Howth Gun Running", at RIC hands, was probably an act that gave pause for thought to many an Irishman teethering on the brink of an involvement in his country's future. This great emphasis on the "blood sacrifice" reputedly so beloved of Pearse , Plunkett and others is a red herring. It was merely an expression of the prevailing attitude of those times to warfare. We have only to read the poets, so revered of the era, Owem, Sassoon and our own Ledwidge on their experiences of the "Great" War. There was also an upsurge of Gaelic interest and feeling at the time, which turned many young men's ideas towards having a Gaelic country of their own. We must remember that , even though the British controlled Press said otherwise, (and still says so today) the vast majority of Rural IRA volunteers were from the ranks of the small farmers sons and the sons of shopkeepers , tradesmen and self employed. Yes propaganda was employed by both sides, as it is today, but , there is no denying that Ireland was being subjugated by an armed , occupying force, for the benefit (whatever it was) of a Great Imperial Power who considered,just as it had for many decades,that the indigenous population was an inferior race. Whatever those compelling reasons were back then, they no longer apply, and we have the situation now where this (declining though still overwhelming) power continues to prop up the pomp of a section of Irelands people. Those who see their history as one of triumph over conquered foes. Lambeg drums and fifes, can recall the ancient victories of one section of society over another, but, they can never guarantee that this status quo can be maintained. Let us all be sensible and accept that we need to be united to succeed, Commercially, Socially and Sportingly. Really, What would be so wrong about IRELAND as one Nation, with Protestant, Catho;ic,Dissenter, Moslem, Jew , Budhist , etc all being proud to live on this Island , together? It must happen in any case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Epona Date: 21 Jul 06 - 01:59 PM Hey, if you're going anywhere, wear your seat belt! I saw two unbelievable traumas at work last night because these kids weren't buckled in. Have a good weekend everyone. Oh, and I'd say the good guys are winning... ;) E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Jul 06 - 01:48 PM Thanks Sweeney. You too. keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 21 Jul 06 - 01:41 PM Enjoy your weekend Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Jul 06 - 01:04 PM Have a nice weekend all. I am away for a couple of days. Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Jul 06 - 12:24 PM Guest, where and when did I ask? I think that you may be delusional. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 21 Jul 06 - 12:17 PM Guest. Think we have enough problems over here without her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:44 AM Keith A. Hereford because you had asked to know her whereabouts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:36 AM Why tell me, and why in this thread guest? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:31 AM Keith A.Hereford. Maxine Carr, ex-girlfriend of Soham murderer Ian Huntley in living in Larne Northern Ireland with a senior Ulster Loyalist who was involved in many acts against the Nationalists in Northern Ireland. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 21 Jul 06 - 10:38 AM Yes Epona, we all wonder why he keeps coming back for more ! It's as if he reads what isn't there and just makes up the rest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Jul 06 - 10:21 AM Epona, I can not remember any threads like that, but I did enjoy the boys beating each other up yesterday! Tir said, "Points will ve awarded for the best laughs generated." Who's winning so far? Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Fiolar Date: 21 Jul 06 - 08:41 AM Another one I can reccomend is "Bloody Sunday" by James Gleason. Originally published in 1962, it was republished in 2004 in the USA. ISBN: 1-59228-282-2. Very interesting to read as Gleason's father was an RIC man and he himself was familiar with the time he covers. Available from Amazon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Epona Date: 21 Jul 06 - 08:14 AM Thanks! Good to be back...it's like I've never left. It seems to me that before my hiatus there were a few threads in which Keith was taking a beating from the boys; I come back and see history repeating itself. Keith, I'm starting to wonder if you enjoy it... ;) E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: ard mhacha Date: 21 Jul 06 - 02:57 AM Good on you Epona and wlcome back, Lil`Kiwi the book is also on full on the net. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Epona Date: 20 Jul 06 - 07:41 PM Great minds, Ard! Already part of my collection. E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Lil' Kiwi Date: 20 Jul 06 - 05:21 PM Fiolar please don't scare me like that! I'd much rather not think what lil' NZ would be like if we were closer to England. The 'Black & Tans' were dirty words in my Grandparents home as it is..... Thanks for the Amazon reference ard mhacha. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: ard mhacha Date: 20 Jul 06 - 12:50 PM Quite a bit on O`Malley, by Googling his name youcan read the book on the net, don`t forget John McGuffins account of his internment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: ard mhacha Date: 20 Jul 06 - 12:44 PM Epoma and Li Kiwi, Try Amazon for what I consider the best book of the period 1916-22, it is Ernie O`Malleys, `On another mans wound`. The last time I went to Amazon a second hand copy was available. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Jul 06 - 10:14 AM I am not feeling the heat too much. keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Jul 06 - 09:43 AM I am seeing someone here getting very frustrated with those around him. I also get the the image of a man who could not lie straight in bed. Yet again you are digging a hole for yourself, get out before it caves in around you. Listen to the above posters as I find you are deaf as far as I'm concerned. Getting hot again today isn't it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Jul 06 - 09:13 AM Good post Fiolar. The men you speak of were brave and driven by honest conviction. I do feel that you denigrate the WW1 volunteers. The propaganda about what the german army did was largely true. I am sure that Irishmen are as good as Englishmen at seeing through propaganda. Then there was WW2. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Jul 06 - 09:02 AM Tir, you said "it was you who took this thread off topic." Neither you, nor the last Guest, nor anyone else has been able to back up that statement. You have been back one day, and already you are making false accusations against me. You and Sweeney are indeed singing from the same hymn sheet! And what of this morning's other fibs? The ones about the lobotomy post. Sweeney said,"Refference was not to Tír Chonaill as you are aware" Shame on you Sweeney. Tir said," assumed it was you that Divis was accusing of not being possession of your full faculties." Tut tut Tit. That post was addressed to Guest. And Tir said that Guest him. No room for misunderstanding. True to form you resort to lies to save face. Well keep them coming boys. Each whopper you tell sends your credibility even deeper down the Mudcat toilet. Believe me, life is much easier when you are honest. And sleeping too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Fiolar Date: 20 Jul 06 - 08:57 AM When I was growing up in Ireland many of my neighbours and people I knew were members of what is now known as the "Old IRA". In fact my eldest uncle was one and I have still got his service medal. I even was familiar with some who took part in the Kilmichael Ambush and went to school with their children. They were ordinary decent people and the War was hardly ever discussed. Looking back it must have very difficult to take part in such an action and to leave your family open to retaliation. Not that the Tans and Auxies needed any as people who are familiar with murder of Canon Magner know. I wonder if the IRA hadn't fought would Ireland be like it is today. Many Irishmen fought because of the propoganda given out about the rights of small nations and how the "dastardly Huns" had invaded little Belgium. Funny how the peace conference after the World War One refused to do anything about Ireland. Lil' Kiwi" I wonder what would have happened to New Zealand if it was say a few thousand miles nearer England? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Jul 06 - 07:09 AM Examples? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST Date: 20 Jul 06 - 07:06 AM Because you always do it Keith ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Jul 06 - 05:54 AM Question for you Tir. Why do you say I took the thread off subject? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Jul 06 - 05:35 AM Hello ! I think if you care to read the above you will see that you will see Tír Chonaill and I are clearly singing from the same hymn sheet. Really haven't seen you so cornered since you dug a hole for yourself on another thread last month ! You could always pm that couple of terminal bores who don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to Irish politics for moral support ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Jul 06 - 05:24 AM IT IS ALL ABOUT SAVING FACE, ISN'T IT You thought you were talking to me. I had no idea who you were talking to. Sweeney thought you were talking to him, and was VERY rude in reply. We don't get many laughs in these threads. Bless you both, you have brightened my day. Now, back to the BS. I am not sure from all your rambling posts what you are asking me. Please put your questions in form 1, 2, 3, etc. and I will give my honest answers as best as I can. BUT, it they are not relevant to this thread, ask them elsewhere as requested. Keith |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 20 Jul 06 - 04:51 AM I was addressing You, Keith; I assumed it was you that Divis was accusing of not being possession of your full faculties. Thankfully we seem to be both of sound mind & body. You, and your 'reluctant' thread starting.... I believe it was you who took this thread off topic. Just jot down in 1, 2 & 3 form, basically your thoughts on what we have asked you... ... if you don't mind, that is |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Jul 06 - 04:46 AM Well did I ever worry what you thought ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Jul 06 - 04:44 AM I think it was! But don't blame yourself. I was not sure which side he was on either. The gargle dimmed his brain? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Jul 06 - 04:42 AM Refference was not to Tír Chonaill as you are aware. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Jul 06 - 04:08 AM Tir, don't be too hard on yer man Sweeney. He has benn under a lot of pressure. Also it was vey late. Sorry, should not mention that should I? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:48 AM Sweeney, It was cruel to make that remark about Tir Chonail's lobotomy. He should have remembered to put his name on the post though. How were you to know he was on your side? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:42 AM To avoid thread drift in another thread about this film, I reluctantly agreed to start this thread. If the things you want explaining are not relevant to the film, please use it. Briefly I already answered why it mattered to the army if Sweeney was a terrorist. Your celebrations on Unity day will be dwarfed by those in England and Wales. Like everyone in England, I was always against discrimination. When you get unity it will be by democratic means. Every shooting and bombing alienated british public opinion and made it harder for the government to negotiate with you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 19 Jul 06 - 09:46 PM Keith? There's a few inconsistencies we'd love you to have a stab at explaining away. Points will ve awarded for the best laughs generated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 19 Jul 06 - 09:39 PM ... forgot to put my name on the 7.57 post... Not content with chape buttir and the few Sunday pints, even if it mesnt killing the Holy hour at a football game they couldn't care less about, the so-called Unionists are now running in hordes down to Dublin to get the best passport in the World. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Jul 06 - 08:48 PM Guest, there is a lady called McBride who does a bit of chanting on behalf of the D.U.P. a party which hates catholics and Ireland and makes no bones about it may I add. Last year she brought her hockey team on tour to australia. When they ran the Irish tri colour up the pole and the band played Amhrán na bhFiann she stood with the rest of the team of loyalists. This was great, I of course admired that. When she got home, sadly for her the news of this treason had reached the ears of her party. She was that thick she said they went along with it because she said they thought if the Australians thought we were Irish we would get a better crowd ! No idea why I am explaining this to someone who clearly is recovering from a lobotomy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST Date: 19 Jul 06 - 07:57 PM "These are all "Ireland" not "Northern Ireland" teams" Nutshells seem to be the order of the day, this evening. ... even during the Armed Struggle, they still were All-Ireland teams. ........ And let's not forget the Sunday escapades 'Down South' to get the chape buttir at Jonesboro', and the few pints before the Dundalk United home games.... Give my head pace, will ya? When all the inconsistencies are counted up, and the emotional attachment to the situation taken out of the equation, any reasonable person would be understandably confused. No wonder people '.... don't understand the situation over there' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Jul 06 - 07:34 PM Loyalist play three sports over here that nationalists don't follow, Cricket, Hockey and Rugby. These are all "Ireland" not "Northern Ireland" teams, if they dislike us so much then why did they stand under the tri colour on tour, considering two of the Hockey team are strong D.U.P. members and one D.U.P. councillor is big in rugby circles. D.U.P. mouthpiece Peter Robinson was on television tonight here speaking about the respect the loyalist community gave to the R.U.C. over the years ! He forgot to add that it was loyalists who shot dead the first R.U.C. man Constable Arbuckle, and it was loyalists that killed the last R.U.C. man with a pipe bomb at Drumcree, another one with a selective memory, should join us here ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 19 Jul 06 - 07:31 PM "....to defeat this rabble of rebels" In a nutshell, Divis. ... and look how far that thinking has got them.... Post-Colonial-Hangover-syndrome, they call it It still is the basis for the disease of Neo Nazism. Keith thread-drifts too much to allow himself to be drawn into that black hole, though UVF handed in their weapons yet? Anyone give a toss? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 19 Jul 06 - 07:14 PM Indeed, Divis, a reasonable scoreline to be sure.... as I say a 'half decent' team..... there's an apprenticeship to be served, in fairness...... How stupid do you think we actually are? It must be an awful embarrassment, though to those of you who sing 'Rule Britannia' at the drop of a hat, a football..... or a cricket ball. ....like, I mean "HAllO????" ... or as GWB would say "Yo!" Sad, man. Sad. |
