BS: Deleted posts & closed threads

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 02:10 PM

I think we're seeing here (in Mudcat) the microcosm of order vs. chaos, plus a bit of the principles I put under the collective name "Gaming the System". The minute a structure is collectively adopted, members begin to manipulate the structure in ways that enhance their goals, or simply 'because they can'. Thus people try to manipulate the indices or see how far they can go in inter-thread abuse. The same happens in society. Society for instance adopts certain words as unacceptable in public discourse, certain entertainers begin to use those very words because they are unacceptable.

The general principles are that a system has to be devised which can't be 'gamed' into non-existence, said system structure of necessity involving a lot of regulation.

Think of bacteria and viruses at war with multi-celled organisms, or the inevitable computer viruses.

So we end up with a social structure that incorporates regulation, or a more efficient model incorporating dictatorship.

Both sides equally insist they are standing on principle. But you can't have one without the other. You can't 'rage against the system' until you've got a system to rage against. And you can't justify regulation unless you've got abuses.

The cops need the cons and we all need the cops.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 02:07 PM

To anyone who thinks they have a right to speak their mind here. Yes, you do, but if you are not civilized enough to watch your mouth, and you sink to name calling or racial slurs, you forfeit that right.
You don't have that right on the street and you don't have it here. Grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 02:05 PM

Define folk music!

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: GUEST,john
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 01:57 PM

shgambles-you are a big trubble maker, i bet you dont even like folk music.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 12:58 PM

" not one of F*** *** if you don't like it"

Well, NOW it's a FUCK OFF if you don't like it one.... as you've been told over and over and over again....

So those are your choices...

I suggest you pick Fucking Off....

You're worse than useless

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 12:27 PM

Never answer questions you don't like, and never apologise even when you're wrong.
That cover it Roger?
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: MMario
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:52 AM

someone should practice what they preach - especially about misqouting, putting words in other peoples mouths and apologizing for doing it.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:47 AM

As your PM quotes show, if you feel the need to PM Joe to ask, you'll get the response you'd expect - a reply saying you were out of line.

What PM quotes of mine are you referring to? I have never posted publicly any PM from anyone - nor would I ever do so.

But both amount to "fuck off and get a life".

That may be your view - but that is not what you incorrectly informed our forum were the words used, was it? Perhaps you would be kind enough to apolgise....

The thread you refer and link to is the one that The Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team did recently close.

It is also the one that he deleted (without explanation) both posts of mine and of another poster. The explanation that you see there now was an afterthought........

Graham - if you are interested in the true history and background to The Chief of the Mudcat Editing Teams persoanally motivated editing actions - I can PM you with this. If you do not wish this, I would appreciate it if you did not post rather one-sided speculation and assumptions about this - or put words in people's mouths that they did not say.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:33 AM

Maybe it's part of the wonderful new features in the update Max and Jeff have been working on.
Useful one too if you ask me!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:30 AM

Today I tried to place a link to this thread in the following one - Mudcat update from Max

There appears to be a technical fault. I see the link in the thread but when I return - the link has vanished!

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: GUEST,Grab
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:28 AM

Graham - Can we have some evidence provided to support these claims and assumptions?

As quoted earlier on this very thread - Max Spiegel, 11th May 2006:-

Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell.

Joe has been far more vocal on the subject. But both amount to "fuck off and get a life".

My personal observation is that thread control *is* done in a relaxed way. If two or three people start threads simultaneously, they're combined - that's fine. If a thread from last year is revived and it's on a similar topic to a newer thread, they coexist without being merged. And if someone repeatedly starts multiple threads on the same subject within hours or days of each other, the response from the admins is pretty much what you'd expect.

Please can you point me at the closed thread? A quick search shows up http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=86679&messages=293 and this thread is open (indeed, you posted to it today). It also includes a placeholder comment by Joe saying that he's moved off-topic criticism of the Mudcat admins into another thread.

Very often it is not the end result of these heavy-handed imposed actions that is of concern but the style (or lack of it) by which this end is arrived at.

This is a bit of a radical shift. So you're saying that you don't mind Joe deleting stuff if he uses "style"? My personal observations are that if explanation is needed why something got moved, that explanation is given. If a post is far enough outside the pale that no explanation is needed, then no explanation happens. As your PM quotes show, if you feel the need to PM Joe to ask, you'll get the response you'd expect - a reply saying you were out of line. Maybe this isn't the "style" you'd like, but is it really grounds for your long-term campaign against the admins (and after this time, that's the only description of it)?

Perhaps a little common sense can prevail at this point? What on earth is the point of now introducing (with no obvious reason for it) the practice of just having posts deleted with no sign or explanation?

On the subject of "common sense", maybe common sense would say that mounting a long-term campaign against the admins, forcing them to take moderating action and thereby deliberately wasting their time, is possibly not the best way to get your point across. To use your own words, what on earth is the point? As far as deleting posts without explanation, I really don't blame them when they know that they're likely to have to shift a few of your messages every day - why should they waste any more of their time on your posts than you've already caused them to? You're reaping exactly what you sowed, which is having got so far up their noses that they don't care if it upsets you any more, because they know you don't give a damn about them.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Alba
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:05 AM

Kendall ma dear,
T'is a waste of valuable time saying anything anymore about this topic on this Thread as far as I can see. If I were you, I'm not, but if I was ;>).... I would go and give that gorgeous woman of yours a huge hug and just let this broken record keep playing (even though the needle has been stuck in the groove for a longtime now) Just turn the volume right down so you can't hear it, it works for me:)

As to the sacred 'Inner Circle' you mentioned, I am surprised to learn that there are Mudcatters that played with such a great Reggae band as Inner Circle. This news only confirms to me that I learn something new on the MC every day!!! *smile*

I do see a little Clique swirling around here and it has been for a long time slowly collecting a few people along the way and losing a few too. This Clique is working very hard on the Mudcat at the moment. There are only about 4 or maybe 5 involved, at a stretch and I am willing to bet that a couple of those involved don;t even know they have been sucked in. The thing is the people in this Clique are not who they present themselves as, personality wise, on the Mudcat at all and they ain't here for the music, the learning experience or the friendship that's a for sure..
All I have to say about the people in this odious little Clique is that their posts and threads give off a vibe that is as transparent as a window and loaded with malicious intent even when they are saying something as simple as 'Thank You'..
I decided a while back I would focus only on those here on the Mudcat that I trusted. "Those" include a good portion of the Members here and some of the Guests that visit and the Admin Team of course . These are the folks that make the Mudcat worth coming into for me. They have shown me time and time again that they intentions here are up front, honest, caring and informative. This I have found works for me.
So you have a GREAT Friday Ken Doll. I intend to enjoy the rain up here in the northern backwoods because the way I see it.. rain means I do not have to haul my lazy butt out and drag that damn hose around the Garden to water the plants and flowers under my care. Mother Nature, bless her heart, has taken care of that task for me today!

Love to you and Jacqui as always ma dears,
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:03 AM

I thought I had something to make this a better place in thoughtfulness, illustrations and cartoons. But alas I too was wrong.

This was the only place I posted by editorial cartoons for the last year and now my website is deleted and my titled threads erased, all the while trolls yell to us to pollute another cat box.

My experience is that this is not a safe place to speak freely.




Thanks for all the fish.

Don Hakman

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 09:41 AM

From: Georgiansilver
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 02:28 PM

I don't agree with CH..Asshole is too nice a desription

power-mad individuals who feel they have the moral right to censor should apply these rules evenly. They wouldn't have deleted Clinton's attack of shambles without being forced. Now they need to delete this reference to it because it, too is a personal attack.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 09:25 AM

Shambles-you are boring,go away.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 07:45 AM

Eventually Joe and Max responded as expected, by telling him to fuck off and get a life.

Graham - Can we have some evidence provided to support these claims and assumptions. The Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team has set the example of publicly posting many such abusive personal attacks and may well have posted such a thing in those words.

Perhaps you would care to comment and support the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team's imposed closure of the long-running thread on the affects of the Licensing Act 2003? The point about the PEL threads going back about 6 years, is even when all concerned did respond and make the effort to limit posts to as few threads as possible - these efforts were not recognised and the judgements and personally motivated editing actions have continued.

That thread, containing much important information and providing a vital record, was recently closed - with no explanation - when another new thread on the subject was started. This because the originator of this new thread did not realise that you did not have to and wait for the entire thread to load.

The concept that that there should only be one thread on one subject is a nice tidy idea that few of us have any problems with. However, does this mean that threads such as these, have to be instantly subject to imposed closure to achieve this end and at all costs? Perhaps such things should be seen more as a general guide and a more relaxed view taken?

Very often it is not the end result of these heavy-handed imposed actions that is of concern but the style (or lack of it) by which this end is arrived at.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 07:13 AM

I've been accused of being in the "Inner circle", I know Joe, and Max, and I like them. Some time back I was involved in a pissing contest here and Joe deleted my last post. He didn't have to explain why, I know why, it was simply out of control. So, if he can delete one of my posts without explanation, why should he hesitate to delete any other obnoxious post? You don't see me pissing and moaning on and on ad nauseum about it.

There are few rules here that are carved in stone, personal attacks, (calling someone an asshole) will get you deleted. You know that when you post, so as the saying goes, "If you know the dog bites..."

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 06:17 AM

Bert I am not aware of the deleted thread or its content, but assume it was inflammatory.

It is not more than a little ironic that certain posts containing abusive personal attacks in this thread are pemitted to remain and the asumption made (and not corrected) that the deleted posts referred to were in some way inflammatory and so justifiably subject to censorship? If no trace ever remains of the censorship actions - no one will ever know and that could well be the whole point why it is done and why it is defended. Forget about the personalities involved for one minute and ask yourself if the lack of these safeguards is really a good thing for the future of our forum.

Copy and pasting is simply a tool - not a disease to be stamped out. In reality, it is what these deleted cut and pastes are copies of - that are the reason for the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team's eagerness to delete them. It is the evidence of the abusive personal attacks that he has posted and the example set by these, that I am trying to bring our forum's attention and which the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team is trying to ensure that I do not. A point of some ammusment to me when he refers to my 'abuses'.

It's not underhanded... you agreed to it when you became a member of Mudcat....

Like many other members who joined at the same time or before me - the understanding was certainly not this. Had it been so, many would not have contributed for so long and made our forum the fine place it just about manages to remain. But it was founded on honesty, tolerance and an accomodating open approach - not one of F*** *** if you don't like it.................

It was NOT then written that 'the management reserves the right etc'. But there was no need for this as such a thing was part of an unwritten mutual traust and acceptance. But now that it is written - it does not say that the management now promises to behave like the worst of our minor public servants. Those who insist on imposing inflexable petty-fogging restrictions upon us that can make our lives so unpleasant. Often using these impositions to hide personally motivated actions behind.

Perhaps a little common sense can prevail at this point? What on earth is the point of now introducing (with no obvious reason for it) the practice of just having posts deleted with no sign or explanation?

When this judgement imposed by unknown numbers of anonymous fellow members - can you think of anything more designed to result in a totally divided and paranoid forum? Is that really the object? So that posters concened about these increased censorship moves can then be accused of being paranoid?

There can be no other result but a paranoid response - if censorship actions (if they really must take place at all) are not openly indcated and explained. I suggest that it is time for a move back to mutual trust and equal treatment and away from all that divides contributors.

If there is nothing to hide in these censorship actions - where then is the harm in recording where and why they have taken place?

And if those who currently feel themselve qualified to impose such judgements do not want to be open in their dealings - perhaps such imposition should stop?

As this recent step-up in unrecorded deletions is said to be in response to the wishes of Mudcatters - perhaps the wishes of all Mudcatters can first be sought in poll - to ascertain if this is in fact the wishes of Mudcatters?

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 08:08 PM

BillD and Graham, well said and thanks for the support.

For instance, people of color may be minorities in the USA for a few more years. After that White people will be the minority population.

The skinheads/Neo-Nazis/White Supremacists say the same thing. Funny you should "choose" to use that analogy.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 07:44 PM

A message for all the mal contents, if you don't like the rules here, find another sand box to contaminate.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Grab
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 07:36 PM

It surprises me that so much support is given to those who are being sneaky and underhanded and so little support to those who are open and honest.

Therein lies the problem. Shambles presents this as a campaign for truth and justice. It's actually initially driven by unhappiness at someone renaming threads and grouping together multiple threads into a single entity, however many months back. On every moderated board I've ever seen, that's been the *expected* task of moderators. If you notice that it happened, you can read and see if anything got lost in the shuffle. If you don't notice - well, if you're not reading the thread then it ain't a big deal, now is it?

Shambles' solution was twofold. Firstly, start multiple threads per week complaining, all making the same comment. Secondly, complain about this in a non-sequitur fashion in many other threads. Eventually Joe and Max responded as expected, by telling him to fuck off and get a life.

Of these, the only ones being "open and honest" are Joe and Max. Shambles is certainly "open" - we all know what he wants - but "honest"? Not on this subject, I'm afraid.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 07:21 PM

Jacqui- I didn't 'have' to bring race into this discussion. I 'chose' to do so as a means of making an analogy.

I used that 'for instance' to point out that in the non-cyberspace world and/or in a cyberspace community such as Mudcat, who is or is not a minority depends on who is doing the counting.

Furthermore, who is a member of a minority [in cyberspace or in the real world] also may depend on when the counting is done and the reasons why the counting is being done.

You said you 'think' that Bert is in a very small minority. That may or may not be so.

However, it seems to me that whether Bert is or is not a member of a small minority [on Mudcat] is irrelevant to the point he is making-that a statement should be made in a thread when a post from that thread is deleted or moved.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 06:52 PM

"...If the admin/mods here decide to delete something they don't HAVE to tell anyone...."

?? I believe Joe said that any deletions should be reported to him...or Jeff. Minor editing is another matter. I have seen Joe replace deletions made by a clone, so I gather HE can see them all. Thus I assume that genuine deletions do remain deletions for a reason, whether anyone else agrees or not.

Further...*IF* explanations were posted, the explanations would simply become a springboard for more acrimonious argument.


(I once was stepfather to two boys in their early teens..they asked if they could go downtown and splash in the fountain in front of the courthouse. I said "No!"....they, of course asked "Why NOT?"....I replied "Because turnips won't grow in the attic!"..(something like that). They said "What kind of dumb reason is that?"

"Well," I said, "You didn't really want a reason, you wanted approval, and nothing I could say would really satisfy you, so a dumb reason about turnips is as good as a long explanation. The ultimate answer is 'because I say so'."

I have watched Shambles for 5-6 YEARS reply to 'official' long explanations with more & more tedious objections...NOTHING will satisfy him except getting his way. And that's how it all appears to me. Joe 'sometimes' answers "Why?", wen it will really clarify something...but all he is required to answer (until Max changes it) is "because I decided".

I am comfortable enough with this...Joe (and Jeff) do a fine job, and I see no benefit in giving 'explanations', except in unusual cases...or encouraging clones to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 06:51 PM

jacqui c=baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 06:41 PM

Sorry Azizi - I can't see why you had to bring race into this discussion. I was talking about the membership of the Mudcat site and I still think that Bert is in a very small minority and, on the Mudcat, none of us has 'rights'.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 04:13 PM

It's not underhanded... you agreed to it when you became a member of Mudcat....

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Bert
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 04:07 PM

Giok, It goes way back before the 'UK' incident. And no it wasn't inflamatory. The trouble is that it was done in secret so none of us have any way of checking up on it.

I know if my postings had been consistently and secretly deleted then I would be mad. I suspect that you would too.

You're right Clinton, they don't HAVE to tell anyone. They can carry on with their underhand behavior as much as they want.

It's a just a blessing that most of us other clones do not behave in the same manner. Mudcat would be a mess if each of us chose to delete or move messages as the whim took us.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:24 PM

Oh and 100 too

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:24 PM

Bert I am not aware of the deleted thread or its content, but assume it was inflammatory. However the first time I remember Roger complaing about editing was when someone added the letters UK to a thread title denoting that it was about a subject which was UK specific. Nothing wrong with that you might think, but to hear a certain person complain, you'd think the world was coming to an end.
Since that happened the vendetta has certainly been personal on one side, and that wasn't on Joe's side.
Don't get me wrong I hold no brief for Joe, he and I have had a couple of run ins, and I've had posts deleted, but in this instance, I find for the administration.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:16 PM

Bert...anyone who decides to use this site has a right to express opinions, within reason. Apart from that, none of us has any 'rights' as we do not own or run the site. The people who own or run the site can do so however they want as far as I am concerned and I accept that. Some come here thinking they have powers or influence enough to change things to suit themselves....tough...they can't!. If anyone wants to be belligerent or invasive....start their own site and do it their own way. Just let people here run the site the way they want to.
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:12 PM

"deleted the messages without telling anyone"
If the admin/mods here decide to delete something they don't HAVE to tell anyone....

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: jeffp
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:10 PM

He would still find something.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Bert
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:05 PM

No Giok, The trouble maker was the one who went in and deleted the messages without telling anyone.

If he hadn't done that then Shambles would have nothing to complain about.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:03 PM

I suppose you're happy now Roger, once again you've stirred the shit and set people at each others throats, you really are a trouble maker and no mistake.
I know you won't go, and I know Mudcat in spite of what you think about it and those who own/run it, won't chuck you out, so we must put up with you. However you in turn will have to put up with us, as I for one am not leaving no matter how annoying you become.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 02:55 PM

Clinton Hammond=baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 02:19 PM

"no poster has any protection from selective, unfair and personally motivated actions"

You're right.. no poster has that.... NONE... ever!

If you don't like it, go....

Everything posted here is subject to the approval of the admin/mods.... And they do NOT have to 'explain' their choices to anyone.....

Get it through your stupid thick head

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 02:16 PM

Deleting a post for whatever reason is an editing act and does not require a criminal investigation.

If there is nothing to hide - then why act as if there is and give any cause for anyone to suspect there something to hide? If this recently stepped-up censorship continues and no record is kept - when a poster can't find their post - the automatic assumption will be that it has been censored.

If no record is made of when and where censorship has taken place - no poster has any protection from selective, unfair and personally motivated actions. And no censor has any protection from accusations that their imposed judgement was selective, unfair and personally motivated.

The simple act of ensuring that ALL imposed editing actions are recorded - will solve this...........It may also result in less censorship and more mutual trust, which is a good thing - is it not?

Does anyone (other than our censors and their supporters really see any proportionate need for this stepped-up censorship at this point? I suspect that most of us were under the impression that things had improved - until this increased level of unrecorded censorship was imposed on us.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 02:13 PM

Everything posted here is the 'Property' of Mudcat...

Nonsense. Look at the copy pastes for starters.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:56 PM

Alba, my 20 Jul 06 - 01:34 PM comment is in response to this comment in Bert's 20 Jul 06 - 12:56 PM post:

"When a persons message is deleted or moved it becomes a public matter because the thread is public and I have every right to comment as I choose, especially when it affecta my ability to follow the continuity of the thread"

-snip-

My 20 Jul 06 - 01:34 PM comment is also in response to jacqui.c's
20 Jul 06 - 01:04 PM post "Bert - that is your perception of the matter. You are in a very small minority. Does that tell you anything?"

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:48 PM

I don't know Jacqui,

Simply being in a minority may be something to consider but it alone does not mean much here. There are some who for example are more interested in demonstariting they are a "true patriotic Mudcatter" than trying to establish where any truth lies.

That said, my personal opinion of the shambles situation remains unchanged.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:47 PM

"it becomes a public matter because the thread is public"
Everything posted here is the 'Property' of Mudcat.... The people who run the place can do what they want with it....

again, if you don't like that, don't post.....

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Bert
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:43 PM

...You only have what RIGHTS you are GIVEN to you here at Mudcat.... and they can be handed out on a person to peron basis.... Then can be taken away without warning or explination....

and if you don't like it, bog off! ...

Aw Clinton YOU of all people know thee joy of having a good gripe now and then.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: MMario
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:42 PM

see the little post in the FAQ regarding "The Mudcat reserves the right..."

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:39 PM

FK!

THEY can be taken away.....

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:39 PM

You only have what RIGHTS you are GIVEN to you here at Mudcat.... and they can be handed out on a person to peron basis.... Then can be taken away without warning or explination....

and if you don't like it, bog off!

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Alba
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:37 PM

What has your Post here got to do with this Thread Azizi?

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:34 PM

For the record, I agree with Bert on this matter.

Also, minorities have rights too. And minorities are entitled to their opinions.

Furthermore, who is or is not a minority depends on who is doing the accessing. For instance, people of color may be minorities in the USA for a few more years. After that White people will be the minority population.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:04 PM

Bert - that is your perception of the matter. You are in a very small minority. Does that tell you anything?

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Bert
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 12:56 PM

Alba,

'Go and start an un-moderated Forum somewhere out there. It will last a week before it crashes and burns.'

Mudcat was running unmoderated for a year or more before It was necessary to impose some limits.

'Having no class is carrying out a hate campaign against this Site's Administration Team in public instead of using the available private channels to express your feelings.' - Tried that already Alba.

When a persons message is deleted or moved it becomes a public matter because the thread is public and I have every right to comment as I choose, especially when it affecta my ability to follow the continuity of the thread.

Also there is a great difference between a public comment and editing being carried out in secret.

It surprises me that so much support is given to those who are being sneaky and underhanded and so little support to those who are open and honest.

Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 12:47 PM

This thread is a perfect example of why Mudcat mostly sucks these days....

Whiney suck-baby, 'think they know it alls' who haven't got clue one....

Like Shambles.... and idiot 'Guest'

Wanna improve Mudcat?

Get rid of them, plain and simple....