BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?

Subject: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 04:07 PM

I was watching an episode of Inspector Morse on the PBS station from Philadelphia last night. It was the episode about the murder of two heirs to a beer brewery. Everyone associated with them seemed to have a reason to be guilty. Morse finally narrowed it down to an employee named Victor Preese. Morse goes to Preese's home to speak with him, Preeses mother answers the door and let's Morse in. She asks why he's there. Morse replies "I think you know" AND THE DAMNED SIGNAL CUTS OUT111 I TURN TO THE NEWYORK PUBLIC TV STATION, BUT THEY'RE SHOWING SOME CRAP ABOUT THE BLUE MAN GROUP. THERE'S ABOUT FIVE MINUTES OR MORE TO LEFT FOR THE PROGRAM, LONG ENOUGH FOR THERE TO BE A TWIST ENDING. TWENTY MINUTES LATER, THE STATION IS STILL OFF THE AIR!!

So, did anyone ever see that episode? Was it Victor or his overprotective mother who did it? Or someone else? This is killing me. I started out the evening watching Alias on DVD, the last episode of the fourth season, Michael Vaughn is about to reveal to Sydney that he isn't Michael Vaughn and there's an ulterior motive to everything he's done for the last four seasons of the show, and WHAM, they get hit by a truck. I have to wait at least a year for the next season to come out on DVD. And then Inspector Morse is brought down by a bad signal. It was a very exciting and ultimately dissappointing night of TV.

Any help with the Insp. Morse episode will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 04:23 PM

Oh I hate that. Like when you set automatic recprd and the programme runs five minutes over. Sorry can't help with ending but they get repeated a lot here so maybe it will come on.

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 04:31 PM

Peculiar. I was watching an entirely different Inspector Morse mystery, one focused on the murder of a philosophy faculty member at one of the Oxford colleges who was about to disclose the financial relationship between college trustees and an agricultural research company which was trying to cover up its experimental herbicide which seemed to be inducing cancer in farm families. There were several other subplots and murders as well.

You're probably not interested in who did what to whom in that one.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 04:41 PM

Steve, it was a rerun, here, so I wasn't paying close attention and fell asleep, but my Rog watched it through, so I'll ask him. What I remember is it was one of the women, who was the bastard daughter of a prossie, from way back in the beginning of the brewery, and the first Radman's(?) business partner; a man who left in disgrace after starting the brewery with Radman, siging a paper that he would NEVER return to the area. The woman who murdered the solicitor was the posh one, if I have it right. Not sure about the other murders.

Anyway, I'll ask Rog, tonight. I wish they would hurry up and give us some more of the new Inspector Lewis!

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 04:43 PM

Radford...that was the name:-) The Episode was Sins of the Fathers.

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 05:21 PM

Got them on video somewhere, will try and dig out the appropriate one and let you know...

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 06:05 PM

Morse arrested the doyenne of the family at the end, and the model train enthusiast's mother was released from gaol.

His insight came from remembering that upper class 'remain' was used in a phone call rather than middle class 'stay.'

Another episode hinged on spelling- a note was a forgery since only an illiterate (read non-Oxbridge) person would spell recognize with an 's.' Check your genuine Oxford English Dictionary- Englishmen educated at better schools spell the word with 'z' just like their American 'cousins.'

The series has quite a few of these little examples of class culture and speech. The interplay between Morse and Lewis is quite comedic if one is familiar with the peculiarities of the English classes and language.

The complete set of Morse episodes is available on DVD from Amazon, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: John O'L
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 09:30 PM

My wife watched Whale Rider recently, an emotionally powerful, ponderous movie. A lot of the dialogue is in Moari with subtitles. At a crucial point towards the end of the film the subtitles were completely obscured by the lotto numbers which had just been drawn.

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 10:40 PM

I remember that episode, but it has been too long to remember actual names, etc.

I watched part of the new Inspector Lewis series (it is a series?) last week. I knew it was coming on so after I fixed the satellite box (my daughter decided to cancel my recording and messed up the entire operation--but this is MY toy! I keep telling them!) I recorded all but the first couple of minutes because I knew I'd be interrupted. What I did see was very depressing--Lewis has become a dessicated fellow with all of the loss and change in his life. Or so it appeared--I didn't watch the end, I'm waiting until that same daughter is safely ensconced in her dorm and I can sit down and watch the program uninterrupted!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 11:29 PM

Ah, SRS, but he's got a brash young'un to drive for him and help solve the crimes and I think that's going to help lift his spirits and to carry on. I really enjoyed it!

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 11:42 PM

I was aware that there is someone handy who can parse out the Shakespeare plays and quote some good poetry. But I don't know much of the story, and I turned it off so I wouldn't spoil the end for myself.

I must say that they did a very good job of using what we already know about Lewis and knew about Morse to get us "where we live." I had expectations about his trip to the graveyard with the flowers, and found myself suddenly in tears at the realization of what it was about. How's that for putting in a cliffhanger after the fact, years after the original series ended? But enough said, I don't want to be a spoiler for someone who hasn't seen it either.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 07:58 AM

What happened? He dashed off of course!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: GUEST,Norval
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 11:14 AM

RangerSteve:

Great-Great-Grandfather Radford and a Mr. Boxer own a brewery about 1850.
Boxer has to leave town because he has gotten a woman in trouble.
GGGF Radford didn't pay Boxer for his share in the business.
Unknown to all Victor Preece and his Mother are descendents of Boxer.
Mrs. Preece asks lawyer Nelson if she has a right to part of the brewery.
Lawyer Nelson says "Not Likely".
Because Victor Preece was cheated of his inheritance, he murders the Radford sons.
A third murder takes place, lawyer Nelson is found dead.
Lawyer Nelson had used Mrs. Preece' information (skeleton in the closet) to blackmail the Radford parents.
Morse determines that parent Mrs. Radford is the person who murdered lawyer Nelson.

As Q states Mrs. Radford was found out by her "Upper Class" use of English.
The sub-plots, suspense, sleuthing and character quirks are missing but this is an overview
as I remember the episode.

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: GUEST,Mingulay at work
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 11:24 AM

It's nice to know that our American cousins appreciate one of our more cerebral whodunnits, and not a SWAT team in sight.

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Grab
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 11:58 AM

Steve, hire a DVD...

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 03:37 PM

"hire a DVD" ,,,, the only reason I asked was because I only missed the last five minutes. Renting a DVD would cost more money then the problem was really worth.

Thanks, Norval. That answered my question nicely. I had put my money on Preece's mother.

Mingulay - we get quite a few British crime shows here, Morse, Cadfael, Poirot, Marple, and Hetty What's-her-name? - the one played by the woman from "Keeping Up Appearances" - I can't remember her name right now. And there's others. They don't have as big an audiance as they deserve, but they are among the best shows available on TV here.

Oh, by the way, we can close this thread. My question's been answered. Thanks again.

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 04:06 PM

Yup. GUEST, Norval's got it right.

I wondered if there as a reason, beyond considering herself only slight below the Queen, that she was so outright bitchy to Morse early on.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 04:56 PM

RangerSteve;
Hetty Wainthrpp Investigates

CHEERS
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 05:13 PM

And, Inspector Lynley (those books are great, too!), and a bunch more coming up for the Fall season.

I'd heard the posh English clue just as I drifted off to sleep. The Radford matriarch said "I shall be there at such and such" whereas someone else would have just said "I'll be there at..."

Good to get it straightened out. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 07:50 PM

Thanks, Nigel.

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 09:36 PM

We've discussed it elsewhere, but I don't like that new Jane Marple. She's too uppity. There was one episode I saw part of where the new one made a rather pushy remark along the lines of "do you know who so-and-so is? He's a friend of mine" in a way that is so out of character. Those moments like that can really kill the program for me, no matter how many big name folks appear to be suspects or victims.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 10:19 PM

I'm waiting impatiently for the new Inspector Lynley series to start. The last one ended with a real cliff-hanger. Barbara Havers got shot with a rifle from not more than a few feet away, and the last you saw of her, she was laying on the ground apparently unconscious, if not dead. I know she's back in the new series, but the question is, what saved her? I seem to recall that Lynley had her wearing a Kevlar vest early in the episode (if I remember correctly, she complained that it was hot and uncomfortable), and although this was some time later, she may have still had it on. Well, we'll see. . . .

I've liked Geraldine MacEwan really well in other things (she was a real snort in "Mapp and Lucia"), but I think Joan Hickson was a much better Miss Marple. The pleasant, innocuous little old lady sitting in the corner and knitting, who doesn't miss a thing and with a mind like a Cray computer.

Inspector:   "You're up to something, Miss Marple!"
Miss Marple (innocently):   "Am I?"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 11:00 PM

Not only does the new Jane Marple lack the depths of Joan Hickson's portrayal, but mixing up two series (Tommy and Tuppence, delightfully played by Francesca Annis and James Warwick in an old series) in one was a stupid idea. Greta Scacchi is a great actress, but she is lost in the ridiculous scripts as well as Geraldine McEwan.

Has the Taggert series played on any of the PBS stations? A very good detective series, now on DVD.

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 09:24 PM

I agree, Don. I have enjoyed that actress in other roles, just not this one.

I don't know the Taggert series, but I don't watch TV much these days. My ears perked up for the Inspector Lewis program because Morse ("Toscanini! I wouldn't have it in the house!") was such a favorite of mine. I try to catch Rosemary and Thyme when they're on, but I'm sure I've only seen a fraction of the programs they produced.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 11:54 PM

Rosemary and Thyme:
Twenty-three -23- twenty-three episodes, 31 Aug. 2003-27 May 2006. Quite a few on DVD (Two sets), but don't have the details.

I know that I have seen only about ten on PBS, not sure how many were shown on the Spokane outlet which we get in western Canada.
We also get the Detroit outlet on our broadband, but I have no idea whether they carried that series. I know that programing of that kind varies from station to station depending on their budget and their directors.

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 08:02 PM

.........well its this way, Inspectre Morose can't figure out who dun it so he orders Sgt.Lewis to convey him to the nearest boozer where Morose consumes large amounts of alcohol then drifts off into a days about his daze at the dreeming towers of Oxford Uni: roasting fags over the roaring log fires in his rooms whilst conducting the Ammadeus Quartet playing Bohemian Rhapsody.

Poor Lewis has to hang around for hours, drinking lemonade & an occasional Red Bull to keep himself awake while Morose enthuses about how similar the characters in the plot resemble individuals in ancient greek legends..........drone..............drone......[German soprano warbling in background]

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:55 PM

If you get the Taggert series, you might need the subtitles on - it's quite Scottish, you know ("Misterrr Tagerrrt, therrrre's been a murrrrrderrrrr!").

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 02:23 PM

Thanks, Les. I have ordered it. I was told it was excellent.

One nice thing about western Canada- a Glaswegian down the street and an Irish neighbor next door. Free translation!

Subject: RE: BS: Inspector Morse - what happened?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:04 PM

Don't watch the show much, eh, Mr. Happy?

Don Firth