BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: C. Ham
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 02:02 PM

BTW, Little Hawk, today, in 2006, approximately 20% of the Jews in Canada are living below the poverty line.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 05:54 PM

And let us never forget that little annoyance know as the Warsaw Ghetto Uprsising---nothing but troublemakers when the peaceful Deutsche Volk (A K A National Socialists--Nazis) just wanted to give them a neighborhood of their own---albeit a temporary one.


Bill H

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 06:25 PM

Most folks wouldn't have looked twice at this guy . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:19 PM

Yeah, I can believe that, C. Ham.

I had thought of mentioning the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, Bill, in fact I did mention it awhile back....but maybe it was on another thread. Point being: Jews, like anyone else, will riot under extreme conditions of various sorts...and in that case the conditions were about as extreme as it can possibly get. I do believe that a sense of powerlessness, combined with a sense of outrage, is most often the primary thing that causes people to riot.

Aggie, you are quite right. If there was no oil in that region, the West would turn a blind eye and basically not give a damn. Sheer pragmatism is what lies behind most, if not all military alliances. The lengthy Cold War between the Soviets and the West also greatly complicated the situation, as it did in numerous other places.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:29 PM

IMO, The WGU was not a riot. It was resistance in which 60,000 poorly-armed people fought those Nazi bastards and held them off for just under four weeks. They had little food, zip for medicines, and they had to barter for ammunition and smuggle it INTO the Ghetto. Let it be clear: France fell in just over a month; Poland itself in just under a month (albeit, they were also attacked by Russia); Denmark gave in (after sinking their fleet); Norway in about a month (Oslo in just a few days). Yeah. Yeah . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:38 PM

Yes, that is accurate. It was fullscale armed resistance. Like the Jews at Masada, they had nothing left to lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:48 PM

1) I'm NOT American!

2) I only act the fool - but it does fool some...

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:52 PM

Hitler disarmed the civil populations of every country he invaded. Those with firearm registration rules were the easiest to disarm. His decree that any jew could not own a weapon was simply an extension of the 1928 Weimar Republics gun control laws. Any delay in handing in weapons meant many were rounded up and killed just for a delay of one hour beyond the deadline for handing them in.

(one reason why your second ammendment should have been your first in my opinion)

It was not easy to obtain weapons but the WGU happened, further proof that such laws are unworkable. Remember the Auschwitz uprising too? One oven destroyed by the Jewish Sonder Kommando. (good work boys)

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 10:28 PM

"It was fullscale armed resistance. Like the Jews at Masada, they had nothing left to lose."

And like the Jews of current Israel today, resisting total destruction from the hezbollah, they have nothing else to lose.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 11:27 PM

Uh-huh. The trouble is, Hezbollah and Hamas and the Iranians hold exactly the same philosophy. You have several sets of people there who are convinced that they have nothing left to lose...and that it's all the other guy's fault...and that they dare not show one sign of weakness or step back a single step.

The same error in all cases.

In a room full of paranoid people who all hate and fear each other and are all convinced that it's completely the other guy's fault...what happens next? Can anything good happen?

Iran threatens to destroy Israel. Isreal threatens to destroy Iran. Hamas threatens to wipe out Israel. Israel threatens to wipe out Hamas. And so on, and so on...

Sounds to me like two sets of people suffering from the same basic psychological problem.

And they will all say: "Yeah, but they did it to us first!" (And believe it too.)

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 11:38 PM

Yeah I know ... The Romans had the same fear of the Zealots.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 11:43 PM

I will trust Israelis with weapons before I would ever trust Hezbollah or Hamas with weapons. I don't recall Israeli terrorist attacks in other people's countries, and that includes the very deplorable and misfortunate killing of an innocent man after the Munich massacre of Israeli olympic athletes. Oh yes, that was ANOTHER Muslim 'freedom organization' thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 11:45 PM

Yes, heroically, like Foghorn Leghorn, resisting total destruction by the gritty little Chicken Hawk, The Jews in current Israel today resisting total destruction by Hezbollah.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 11:50 PM

Foghorn Leghorn and Chicken Hawk .... are a cartoon ... is that where you get your history lessons from ... cartoons ?!?!?!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 11:56 PM

Yes, but that's your emotional predisposition, Peace. You see Israel as "good" and its opponents as "bad". Iranians have the exact opposite emotional predisposition. That's why you would find it hard to understand where they're coming from...and vice versa. You think they're crazy. They would think you are crazy.

I think they're all a bit crazy. I don't trust anyone who is willing and ready to attack someone else, and says so plainly. It's a civil crime to utter death threats, and it should be seen as a national crime as well. (This would make Bush a criminal too, which he is, in fact.)

Accordingly, I would be inclined to trust neither Israel nor Israel's enemies with deadly weapons. They have both proven unworthy of such trust many times now.

And if I somehow had the power...as a world authority WITH that kind of power...I would completely disarm ALL of them from this day forward...and I would interpose neutral forces between them, as was done in Cyprus.

But no one has that power. Or at least...no one has the unity or the will to enforce it. It's really just the Wild West out there, and he with the most hired guns rules the range.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:00 AM

The Wild, Wild West .... the rancher had to fight to save his land, protect his family ... no one else around for miles to help.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:10 AM

Little Hawk: It seems you have a predisposition to dislike Israel. Israel didn't start the war. Hezbollah did. That's all there is to it. I will ask again, because I think I asked you once before: If YOU were the Israelis, how long would you have tolerated rocket attacks before you became a 'bully'? Tell me that, HOW LONG?

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:15 AM

"BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- A video showing Lebanese soldiers cordially offering Israeli troops glasses of tea during the military offensive earlier this month has hit Israeli and Hezbollah airwaves."

from

A little viewing for some folks here.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:36 AM

That is a good link Peace ... nothing like a good cuppa tea, good conversation ... and it's good to see President Bush is being briefed by the Lebanese and Israeli armies ... even though it pisses the hell out of the Hezbollah.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:51 AM

LOL

sIx, I took the link from another thread. It was one YOU found. Mazel Tov.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:34 AM

Peace, sIx

You two are like Bob and Doug if they were listening to Limbaugh reading from the Calgary Sun.

Hezbollah has about the same chance of destroying Israel as you two do of making sense.

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 07:22 AM

"I don't recall Israeli terrorist attacks in other people's countries"

You don't want to?

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:52 AM

LH-


Source for " Isreal threatens to destroy Iran."?

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:57 AM

Jack ... I never said Hezbelloh could destroy Israel .... if they could, they certainly would. Never said Israel would destroy Lebanon, Syria or Iran ... they certainly could, and obviously haven't.

As per Limbaugh ... I abhor him ... certainly not my politics. Hard to understand for you I know.

BTW Jack ... do you have the Hezbollah flag hanging in your house, above the TV, the same TV where you watch Looney Toones. ... you know the flag, the one depicting a hand clutching an AK47.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 10:53 AM

You have exactly the same politics as Limbaugh on this issue sunshine. And as George Bush. You are in such good company.

You not only said that they could destroy Israel, you said they could destroy it totally.

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And like the Jews of current Israel today, resisting total destruction from the hezbollah, they have nothing else to lose.

Or are you saying that the Jews are resisting something that could never possibly happen? Either way, It make no sense at all.

Bob and Doug ought to stop chugging the brewskis while they are posting eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 11:10 AM

OK ... you got that line on me. But let's face the fact Jack. The mandate of Hezbollah is the total destruction of Israel. Israel will protect it's people from harm ... they will fight back from any violent intrusion onto it's citizens.

Maybe Limbaugh, and Bush do support Israel ... but that certainly does not mean my politics is in alignment with theirs. Those who know me can certainly attest to that. Yes Jack, you can lean on the left side of the political spectrum and still support Israel.


Maybe it's time you left the USA and come back home Jack ... it's August, the sun is shining here on the East Coast ... some good salt air would do you some good.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 11:48 AM

I remember reading (possibly hearing this on NPR) that either Israel or Jewish artists were going to hold a contest to 'outdo' the Iranian one. I s'pect that there wasn't much motivation on the follow through. Nevertheless, I'm curious as to whether the Iranian competition is open to Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:04 PM

You're quite right, Peace, I do have a disposition to dislike Israel. And that is clear...just as you have a disposition to dislike Israel's opponents.

The reason why I have that disposition? Well, it doesn't have anything to do with Jews, #1. Matter of fact, I used to like Israel, back in the 60's. I thought they were a plucky little nation. I wasn't much interested in the Arabs a the time, and didn't give much thought to the Middle East either. Mostly I was concerned about Vietnam at the time.

The reasons I gradually developed quite a prejudice against Israel are: I began to get the impression from about 1973 on that they were acting as a catspaw for grand American strategy in the Middle East...that strategy being aimed at dominating the region. Why? Beause of oil, that's why. I began to get the impression that they thought of themselves as a law unto themselves, and felt free to attack anyone they wanted, any time they wanted, because they were so confident of their absolute military superiority, AND of the backing of the USA that they considered themselves to be untouchable.

I don't care for that sort of arrogance, and I don't care for a stacked deck where one side has such massive technological backing that they can just walk all over the other side with impunity.

I don't consider Israel "small" anymore. I consider them to be the armoured fist on the end of one of America's very long arms. I don't consider them to be a "victim", I consider them to be a victimizer.

Now...as regards their opponents...I have no liking for the Syrian government, or the Iranian government. I have no admiration for suicide bombers or people who want to "wipe Israel off the map".

But, yeah, the Israelis piss me off more than the people who are fighting them, simply because they're so powerful, so arrogant in their assurance of power, and because they're holding a stacked deck in the military games that are being played out there.

None of this has anything to do with my opinion of Jews. I have NO bad opinion of Jews as a people, and never have had a bad opinion of Jews as a people. It has to do with my opinion of the political and military policies and plans of Israel and the USA in the Middle Eastern region.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:14 PM

You said that well.

You and alot of other people are feeling the same way.

Like you, I once championed the cause of Israel.

I have learned to look at the big picture in the Middle East and no longer support the Israeli war machine.

Most Zionists are dogmatic and arrogant.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 02:55 PM

Slaughtering civilians is wrong, plain and simple. I am pissed off at Hezbollah for the 39 that they killed in the past month. But Israel takes the cake with nearly 700.

Make all the excuses for them that you want. But people are starting to tire of the the excuses.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 03:33 PM

Getting pretty damned tired of radical Islam too Jack mate

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:00 PM

"Slaughtering civilians is wrong, plain and simple" ... can't argue that Jack. But would you and LH cheer on the Hezbollah's continous rocketing of Israel ... if Israel sat still and did absolutely nothing?

ridiculous question ... yes ... but I find anyone who who has any sympathies towards a paramilitary organization, that is manipulaive towards it's own people to gloss over their open mandate to destroy a another country and it's people ridiculous if not repugnant.

LH ... your hatred towards Israel just because they are strong militarily, and what you perceive as arrogance of assurance of power is absolutely pathetic .... personally I don't hate any country ragardless on their wealth, size, power. Israel has never attacked without being provoked, or without the threat of being provoked. Yes, when they are hit, they hit back hard. Maybe profocateurs should just leave them alone.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:06 PM

I don't hate them. I disagree with their aggressive policies. I also disagree with the aggressive policies of those who attack them. I also disagree with America's aggressive policies, and China's aggressive policies, etc, etc, etc...

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:09 PM

I should add (once again) when your living in the wild, wild west, one must take every precaution with every means possible to protect your ranch, livestock and last but most important your family.

The wild, wild west is an excellent description of the mideast LH. Because that is exactly what it is. One should not be condemned just because their ranch is prosperous.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:12 PM

I would argue that their policies are yes aggressive, but defensively aggressive ... as I mentioned they hit back hard, ok maybe too hard, but they certainly are not out to make the middlesast their empire.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:23 PM

Well, that's where we disagree. I think that they and the USA do intend exactly that: to make the Middle East their empire. The Israelis will get to dominate the western parts of the area, and will secure control of the water rights. The Americans will get the center and the east and the oil. Together they then control the entire region.

I think that is the plan. It requires war against first Syria and Iran, possibly using some tactical nukes on Iran. After them, move into Saudia Arabia.

The trouble with such a plan is, it will not stop there. It will trigger a wordwide Islamic response. Furthermore, the Russians and the Chinese will not stand aside, because there is too much at stake for them...specially for China. China needs access to Iranian oil to fuel their rapidly modernizing society.

I do not regard the Israeli policy as defensive, I regard it as part of American offensive plans, and I think those plans may very well plunge the world into a 3rd World War...which in the end will probably destroy Israel and a lot of other people too, along with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:35 PM

The wild west is a good example.

The European settlers are being attacked by the natives.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: artbrooks
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:56 PM

Hezbollah is a European organization? I didn't know that.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 07:04 PM

Artbrooks: are you a fan of Geo. Orwell and Newspeak? I never realized that Hezbollah was being attacked and put upon. Thanks for the enlightenment---Oceania is at war---it always is. AH---hate the cement that binds the "oppressed" and, who in fact are the ones that want to run Lebanon. Sort of like the Khmer Rouge and Cambodia. They are just doing it in reverse---become local heros by feeding on hate of Israel and then "rescuing" the Lebanese who never wanted to fight in the first place.   Things were pretty good in Beirut until Hezbollah decided things had to change---their way.   

Remember the Black Panthers here in the U S. They fed the poor kids and did outreach---and killed people as well.

Number Six: Quite correct on most counts---so I merely have to say---"Shane---come back we need you again---Shane--Shane. Damn---he just keeps riding into the sunset just when we need him once again. Guess we have to handle the rustlers on our own."


Bill H

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 08:30 PM

You see, the Indians attacked those settlers cause they thought that the settlers were stealing the land that their deity had given them inperputity...

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 08:42 PM

You see, the Indians attacked those settlers cause they thought that the settlers were stealing the land that their deity had given them in perpetutity...

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 08:56 PM

perpetutity...

forever.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:19 PM

"You see, the Indians attacked those settlers cause they thought that the settlers were stealing the land that their deity had given them in perpetutity."

Close,

The Natives attacked the Settlers who were stealing their land by force.

"Slaughtering civilians is wrong, plain and simple" ... can't argue that Jack. But would you and LH cheer on the Hezbollah's continous rocketing of Israel ... if Israel sat still and did absolutely nothing?

You lost me at "But". There is no "but" there is no excuse for slaughtering civilians certainly not 700 in a month. And you sir are a liar. I have not cheered Hezbollah and you have had no indication that I would. That is just a cowardly diversion because of your bankrupt, immoral support of the murderers in the IDF, you have run out of argument so now you try to smear me with the same ugly brush with which you have smeared yourself. You accuse me of cheering on murders.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:21 PM

But of course there are no murderers in Hezbollah are there?

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:30 PM

There are murderers in most military and paramilitary organizations. It goes with the territory and the job description. That's partly what drill sarjeants are for...they teach people to murder efficiently, and without hesitation or regret.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:31 PM

That wasn't my question, but thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:32 PM

Once you start getting into 'ad hominen' arguments at all - even by belittling the other people you are arguing about, you lose your perspective, and and no rational discussion can take place.

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:33 PM

How does what I said belittle anyone? Is it that the question is inconvenient?

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:37 PM

"How does what I said belittle anyone? "

If you honestly can't see that, perhaps we should let you throw your little tantrum in the corner on your own, until you feel calmer and can talk to us rationally again...

Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:39 PM

Who died and left you in charge?