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BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot

number 6 23 Aug 06 - 04:05 PM
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EBarnacle 23 Aug 06 - 05:25 PM
Little Hawk 23 Aug 06 - 06:08 PM
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Jack the Sailor 23 Aug 06 - 09:28 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 04:05 PM

Jack .... bye-bye isn't 'final' and it isn't as crude as some other retorts found around here in the MudCat ... I also can't see anything here in this thread that I should apologize for in regards to my behaviour.

Regardless .. letting go of all this petty bickering ... You are correct one certainly does have their right in critizising where their tax $$ are going. I must say I'd be very furious living in the U.S. having my taxes go towards the military might of the Bush regime ... and in being used to manipulate countries (including my own) around the world.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 04:50 PM

JTS---your quote is---
If Israel is a "Sovereign state" as Hahn said. They don't need my tax dollars or the billions of dollars they get in donations from this country, every year.

First: of all the word "If"---I guess you were not around in 1948.

Second: Do you consider Egypt and Jordan "sovereign states"? If you do I don't see any complaint from the tranplanted Canadian complaining about his U S Taxes going to those nations---among others.

As to private donations--frankly; none of your business. If the Arabs so loved their brethren they would do the same. Lately we find, however, much of the charitable funding there going to Hamas amongs others. Note I did not say "terorists"--trying to use neutral terms. People can read what they will into it

BH


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: EBarnacle
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 05:25 PM

Little Hawk, If Israel is interested in dominating the Middle East, why have they not attempted to take over Iraq or Iran or Saudi Arabia or any of the other oil producing states? Why did they give Egypt back her oil fields as part of the Sinai accords?

There seems to be a general problem on this thread. Why does Israel fight so hard for a piece of land? Prior to 1947, Israel had no nation. It was a landless people, similar to the Romany and was treated similarly. It seems that the world does not respect a people without a country. This is very similar to the original laws relating to voting here in the US and in England. Only people with a certain level of property were allowed to vote. the rest had to like it or lump it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 06:08 PM

Good points, EBarnacle. You're right, the world does NOT respect a people without a country...because...those people do not possess sufficient firepower and money to command respect in what is essentially a world community run by ruthless robber barons. Yes, the Jews and the Romany and a few other groups like Kurds, Armenians, the Japanese Ainu, or the Vietnamese Montagnards have had to deal with being stateless people for lengthy periods of time (as have Native Americans of various types), and that's a tough spot to be in. No doubt. You are not taken seriously on the world scene unless you have borders, territory, resources, a flag, a national treasury, and a well-armed modern military of your own standing at the ready to apply deadly force.

The #1 reason Israel fights so hard for that piece of land is because they are surrounded by enemies...obviously! The #2 reason would appear at times to be that they have ambitions to settle further areas abutting on that piece of land, but the policy tends to shift back and forth some on that, depending which way "the wind blows".

I don't think it's Israel that is exactly fighting to "dominate the Middle East", I think it's the USA who is doing that, and Israel is serving as a junior partner in the effort. The one hand washes the other, and they work together. Israel hopes to gain permanent security by seeing its main opponents crushed to the point where they could never again be a direct threat. That's not easy to achieve, but I think Israel hopes to see both Iran and Syria eventually smashed by a combination of American and British and Israeli military power...but the greater part of it would of course be American...specially in the case of Iran.

The USA would get to control the oil through client administrations in the invaded countries and Israel would get what they think of as security...so they imagine.

I think it's actually an unworkable strategy which will lead instead to a Third World War, but that's just my take on it.

I can understand why Israel fights as hard as they do. From their point of view it makes a lot of sense. I can also understand why Hezbollah, Hamas, and the other Muslim enemies of Israel fight as hard as they do. From their point of view it makes a lot of sense.

What would make even MORE sense, though, would be for them ALL to leave each other alone, and for the USA to leave people alone too...but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen! There's too much $$$money$$$ at stake. Not a chance that it's going to happen.

Not one of them really has even a smidgin of respect or tolerance for their enemies of choice, and not one of them has any goodwill or any real desire for anything but "victory".

My prediction is that the victory they all seek will elude them, no matter what they do. They're all caught up in a game that leads to nowhere but more suffering. The ordinary people will be the ones who pay...just as they are now.

The only sensible thing they can possibly do is get sick of the bloodshed and reach an accomodation...as the Irish finally seem to have done in their long dispute.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 06:56 PM

Yes LH ... "I don't think it's Israel that is exactly fighting to "dominate the Middle East", I think it's the USA who is doing that"

..... the U.S. war machine is the force that is causing the instability in the mid-east. It's their war machine that should be the focus of our concern.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 09:28 PM

Second: Do you consider Egypt and Jordan "sovereign states"? If you do I don't see any complaint from the tranplanted Canadian complaining about his U S Taxes going to those nations---among others.

Well, for one thing Egypt and Jordan aren't using my tax money to by cluster bombs and land mines and uning them to kill and oppress civilians. For another aid to Jordan and Egypt was a bribe from the US as part of a peace accord, to keep them from from fighting Israel, so in effect, its really just more aid to Israel's war machine.

The donations are my business in one way. Israel is not standing on its own. It is not a sovereign state it is a welfare state that exists at the whim of the USA. Without US support in the UN, which means the US sheilding Israel from criticism from virtually every other country, things would be very different. Without US money, both from the government and from individuals, Israel would have to either fight at more even odds or make peace.

But with welfare, there should be a means test. Should a welfare case, addicted to warfare, getting 50,000 a year from her family also get foodstamps and medicare? She'll just spend the disposable income on bullets and land mines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 09:30 PM

Peace, sIx.

You've both said you don't want to talk with me. I'm fine with that. Neither of you are saying things that make any sense to me. Why are you still talking to me?


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: bobad
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 09:36 PM

"either fight at more even odds or make peace."

Make peace with who?


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 10:22 PM

I just said 'bye-bye' ... I say that to my grandson after every visit.

Why am I talking (er should say communicating to you via a forum post) ..I'm curious as to why the tax $$ issue ... welfare $ to Israel as you call it ... upsets you so much .... when obviously a very, very large chunk of your tax $ goes to the war machine of your adopted country ... this war machine is causing a lot of innocent deaths worldwide Jack ... yup, it feeds the U.S. war machine when it could go towards education, health care, the environment etc which is in much need of attention in the U.S, rather than bullets and landmines ..... I dunno, I think I would have the priorities of my Tax $ complaint focused in a different direction ... take a look in your own back yard Jack ... it's a hell of a lot messier than the one you are criticising on the other side of town.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 12:09 AM

"You've both said you don't want to talk with me."

I don't. But if you post bullshit I will refute it. And sure as Hell's on fire, I don't need your permission for that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 12:20 AM

Jews Riot


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 12:21 AM

Does that mean the thread is over?


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 12:28 AM

Jews Riot

Jews Riot


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Subject: RE: BS: Still waiting for Godot.
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 12:33 AM

I guees that means no, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: EBarnacle
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 12:38 AM

Dear Guest, go to my first post, near the beginning of this thread.


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Subject: Jews Riot
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 12:53 AM

JERUSALEM -- Israelis and many in the Ethiopian community were shocked by the enormity of Sunday's violent confrontations between Ethiopian Jews and Jerusalem police, but perhaps they should not be shocked.

Israel airlifted tens of thousands of Jews from famine-ridden Ethiopia between 1984 and 1985 and again in 1991. In the years since then, Ethiopian community leaders have been complaining about inferior housing, jobs and education.

"If Israelis don't know about our problems, they haven't been listening," Adiso Masala, one of the community's most vocal activists, said during Sunday's rally outside the Prime Minister's Office in Jerusalem.

Those problems -- which include what Ethiopian community leaders consider a longstanding pattern of discrimination by Israeli government authorities -- have been simmering for years.

But revelations last week regarding how Ethiopian blood donations were routinely discarded brought emotions to the boiling point.

Leaders of Israel's Ethiopian community organized the demonstration after the Israeli daily Ma'ariv revealed that Magen David Adom, which operates the country's nationwide blood bank, regularly discards blood donated by Ethiopian immigrants, fearing that the blood is contaminated with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.


During Sunday's demonstration, which lasted most of the day, some of the 10,000 demonstrators clashed with scores of Israeli police armed with riot gear.

At least 50 Ethiopian Jews and police were injured in the demonstrations. Two police officers were severely injured -- one lost an eye -- when stones and other objects were thrown at them.

Although rally organizers and police blamed each other for the violence, many eyewitnesses were critical of the police department's decision to bring in water cannons and tear gas.

Several demonstrators, many of them elderly, and dozens of police officers became ill when the wind changed direction and blew clouds of tear gas directly over them.

According to Micha Odenheimer, director of the Israeli Association of Ethiopian Jews, this week's demonstration "was years in the making."

"It was an expression of the Ethiopians' outrage that, over the years, they have not really been absorbed into Israeli society."

The community "feels pushed into the margin of Israeli society. Despite some efforts by the government, many Ethiopian children still learn in largely segregated classrooms. Unemployment is high, and Ethiopians are the poorest ethnic group in Israel today."

Unless something is done quickly to reverse these trends, he added, "Ethiopian Jews will become a permanent black underclass."

In any discussion with Ethiopian activists, their first concern tends to be education. For many years, at least two-thirds of Ethiopians in primary school attended segregated "absorption classes."

An even larger percentage of teenagers was -- and still is -- sent to religious boarding schools, where many of the other students come from "problem homes."

Odenheimer said both the boarding schools and segregated classes actually hurt the very children they are supposed to help.

"Segregating kids prevents them from integrating, and the level of education tends to be lower," he said. "Sending teenagers away from home hurts the fabric of the family, and the parents eventually lose their authority over their children."

After numerous demonstrations by Masala and other Ethiopian activists, the government changed the education policy about three years ago and began mainstreaming Ethiopian children.

Amnon Be'eri, spokesman for the Ministry of Absorption, said, "I wouldn't say there haven't been problems or mistakes, but we are doing the best we can."

As proof, Be'eri points to the government's housing plan for Ethiopian immigrants.

Unlike other immigrant groups, which receive discounts on home mortgages, Ethiopian families are entitled to grants that cover 85 percent of the cost of an apartment, up to $110,000. This scheme has allowed the vast majority of Ethiopians to move out of caravan parks and into permanent housing.

Ethiopian activists acknowledge these efforts, but regard them as too little, too late. Masala said the government created an education task force about a year ago, but it received only $5 million of the $18 million needed to institute its recommendations.

Meanwhile, Ethiopian immigrants deeply feel that they are victims of discrimination.

"Israelis make us feel as if we're not Jewish," said Shira Eilen, an 18-year-old Jerusalemite. "The blood thing was just the breaking point."

Estie Hananya, a 15-year-old from Rishon Lezion, said: "Today they don't want my blood because I am black. Tomorrow they may not want my brain. People have called me a kushit, a nigger."


http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/2883/edition_id/50/format/html/displaystory.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 01:51 AM

Hey Guest, cutting edge stuff there. Were you still learning to read in 1996 or did you get one of your friends to help? Actually, I 'spect you don't have any friends of the helpful sort...


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 07:01 AM

"Egypt and Jordan aren't using my tax money to by cluster bombs and land mines and uning them to kill and oppress civilians."

... except for their own citizens, but that is another matter...


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Slag
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 05:15 PM

Does the Seinfeld "Ruffled Shirt" episode qualify?


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 05:20 PM

Har! Har! I love it. This thread has finally reached its well-deserved moment of obsolescence. We no longer have to wait for Jews to riot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: number 6
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 07:42 PM

How about a food fight !!

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 08:08 PM

Naw....water balloons. Food is too messy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: GUEST,GUEST, not the last idiot
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 08:15 PM

Iran Holocaust exhibit reported in NYT


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 08:28 PM

Isn't freedom of speech a wonderful thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 08:33 PM

What does this remind me of?

Denmark insults Mohammed so Iran insults Jews.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 10:17 PM

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing! Let's see if someone can print an anti-terrorist cartoon in Iran, now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 02:21 AM

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing! Let's see if someone can print an anti-terrorist cartoon in Iran, now?

I'm sure they can. In the rest of the world terrorism is just a tactic. Even though here, it is just a catch all phrase for the subhuman enemy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: bobad
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 07:36 AM

Do you support the "tactic", Jack?


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 07:39 AM

Old days - Communist.

Nowadays - Terrorist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 09:12 AM

Fooles:

Are you equating Communists with Terrorists? They certainly used terrorism to control their own peoples, viz the remaining Communist 'paradise' North Korea which has ostensibly starved its own people while developing nuclear weaponry.

Though I don't recall this making Jews riot, it did make them try to leave the Soviet Union in large numbers. Many of those who did get out wound up in Israel. Thank God it was there for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 02:12 PM

I agree with Jack. "Terrorism" has simply become the latest Newspeak catch-all word for "our subhuman enemies who are totally evil and must be destroyed"...and that's all it amounts to. It's a propaganda word used to justify attacking foreign people and clamping down on the freedoms of one's own people. The Iranians consider the Israelis and Americans to be terrorists. So do all of Israel's enemies in the region. The Americans and Israelis look at it exactly the other way around. They all ignore their own wrongful deeds and call the other guy's wrongful deed "terrorism".

And ALL of them are using the same twisted logic in forming those opinions.

The "War on Terror" is a ridiculous term. War itself causes terror. Its intention is to defeat and dominate people by the use of organized terror tactics.

What it should be called is "The War for Control of Oil and Strategic Resources".   It could also be called "The War Against Honesty, Freedom, and Sanity"...but that wouldn't market very well, would it? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 02:57 PM

Of course not Bobad. Ironically the past generation of Israeli leaders, Begin, Sharon and others are the only government leaders I know of who ever did. They supported and engaged in terrorism against British soldiers and diplomats when Israel was part of Palestine Mandate. But they stopped verbally supporting terrorism once their goal was accomplished.

The question "Let's see if someone can print an anti-terrorist cartoon in Iran, now?"

is easily answered, If the cartoon were against terrorism by other countries or entities, say the "Tamil Tigers" then I'm sure it could be printed.

I'm not saying that the press isn't suppressed in Iran. I'm confident that it is. I don't think they would be able to print cartoons saying for instance "the Mullahs have poop in their pants"

But they could certainly have one saying "USA's Shock and Awe campaign was terrorism" and technically they would be correct. Here is the non Bush Administration, actual definition of "terrorism". Shock and Awe was a plan to get Iraq's army to lay down their weapons by terrorizing the poop out of them and in to their pants.

terrorism
        
Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 03:00 PM

Everyone who goes to war practices terrorism. Only those on the other side ever seem to be officially accused of it, however.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Slag
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 05:50 PM

Not true Little Hawk. Not everyone who goes to war practices terrorism. Many who go to war are somewhat terrorized in the first place. People go to war to defend their homeland, their neighbors and loved ones, their way of life and the ideals that their society is based upon. Acts of war can create terror as a by-product or an unavoidable consequence. Terrorism is the intentional use of terror-producing actions against civilian populations to weaken and demoralized an opponent, the weaker and more defensless the target the greater the terror factor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 06:41 PM

For sure, Slag, terrorism causes more terrorism. It's the old "an action causes an equal and opposite reaction" thing we all learned in science class.

And it leads to further terrorism. The really ironical part is...they will all claim that the first terrorist acts were committed by "the other guy" and that they are only acting in legitimate defence. Uh-huh.

You can trace it all the way back to prehistory trying to prove who hit who first.

I am not saying, Slag, that people shouldn't defend themselves. I am simply saying that all war is, by my definition, terrorism, because all war is an attempt to terrorize the other side into surrenduring or running away...or to just kill them all...whichever happens first. All war, in modern times, DOES terrorize and kill civilians, sooner or later...usually sooner. If nothing else, it terrorizes them through threatening their sons and daughters who are in uniform and through damaging their domestic economy.

People should admit it. In wars you kill and terrorize people. That's what wars are really about. That's what happens, so call it what it is. Stop pretending that it's only other people, people not in uniforms, who are "terrorists" and that you are above that sort of thing. That's just a propagandist's technique to dehumanize the enemy in the eyes of your own people. Hitler used it too, and very effectively. They all use it.

By all means, if you are attacked, defend yourself. But if you send rockets, bombs, or artillery shells into someone else's land...and most of all, if you invade it...you are likewise committing terrorism whether or not as a response to someone else's terrorism, and you will end up terrorizing and killing civilians.

The Union did it to the South in the Civil War. Sherman committed terrorism on a gigantic basis. The South did it to the Union too, where they could, as when they attacked the town of Lawrence, Kansas, but the South's abilities to do damage in that respect were much more limited. Sherman is still remembered with hatred south of the Mason-Dixon Line. Terrorism is never popular with its targets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 08:03 PM

"But if you send rockets, bombs, or artillery shells into someone else's land...and most of all, if you invade it...you are likewise committing terrorism whether or not as a response to someone else's terrorism, and you will end up terrorizing and killing civilians."

Thus the response (from their viewpoint) of those who are unfortunate enough to live near the borders of Israel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 08:12 PM

"Everyone who goes to war practices terrorism."

'Shock and Awe', anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 08:20 PM

"Are you equating Communists with Terrorists?"


McCarthy era - Communist.

Today - Terrorist.


Just two of the many useful terms throughout history for pseudo-democratic Governments to manipulate the opinions of their trusting and gullible electorate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 08:25 PM

"It could also be called "The War Against Honesty, Freedom, and Sanity"...but that wouldn't market very well, would it? ;-) "

Been done before - eg, "Tobacco smoking is good for you!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 08:34 PM

"Terrorism is the intentional use of terror-producing actions against civilian populations to weaken and demoralize an opponent"

This is of course the 'definition' trotted forth by nations with big organised armies committing their own organised acts of terror to justify themselves murdering those who oppose them, when the other side have no big organised armies with which to oppose them - if that were the case, it would be called 'War'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 03:17 AM

""But if you send rockets, bombs, or artillery shells into someone else's land...and most of all, if you invade it...you are likewise committing terrorism whether or not as a response to someone else's terrorism, and you will end up terrorizing and killing civilians."

Thus the response (from their viewpoint) of those who are unfortunate enough to live near the borders of Israel. "



Obviously- those South of the border between Lebanon and Israel. THAT is why the Israelis attacked Hezballah.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Peace
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 03:29 AM

"Ironically the past generation of Israeli leaders, Begin, Sharon and others are the only government leaders I know of who ever did."

Then you don't read much. Try the leaders of China, Cambodia, Iraq, "Palestine", Russia--well, look 'em up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 05:00 AM

"South of the border between Lebanon and Israel"

South of the border, down Palestine way,
The tanks they come, away I run...


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Slag
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 01:21 AM

"We fight--- we fight--- we fight,we fight, we fight!"
                                 Itchy and Scratchy
GORT! Where are you now that we need you???


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:15 PM

Jews riot

Jews riot

Jews riot


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 11:12 PM

Gort was dealing with a very different situation.

Everyone who launches a war of aggression is committing acts of terrorism, and government-sanctioned terror by major powers kills way more people than the terrorism of shadowy groups like Al Queda or Islamic Jihad. Bush's so-called War on Terror is terrorism, large scale terrorism. The same goes for Israel's frequent attacks on its neighbours...as well as the Muslim attacks on Israel...but Israel usually kills 10 for every 1 they lose. The USA kills 100 for every 1 it loses. That sounds kind of like what the Germans set out to do in occupied countries like Greece during the war. Whenever the local resistance killed a German the Germans would respond by killing 100 Greek civilians. It did NOT win them the war, did it?

The USA isn't going to win its war in Iraq either. They are going to leave, ignominiously, and try to make it look like that was what they planned all along. They are going to leave that country way worse off than it was before they attacked it, and they are going to blame someone else for that having happened.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:40 PM

Like Vietnam...


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 04:11 AM

Funny the way Jews parade, gays march and Muslims riot.

Says something about journalism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 08:02 PM

Back in the 1970's gays used to riot in Sydney - now it's called "The Gay & Lesbian Mardi Gras" - and is worth millions in Tourism.... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 09:22 PM

Yeah, Dianavan that's like how white people "search for emergency supplies of (whatever)" while black people "loot"...(in New Orleans after the hurricane).

More typical journalism, I suppose. Well, any age has its officially sacrosanct angels who can do no wrong and its official bad guys who are always wrong, doesn't it?

I note that the USA has just vetoed another U.N. resolution against Israel. Big surprise! ;-)


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