BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?

Subject: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: GUEST,Woolyback
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 10:01 AM

Are there any words hidden in that nasal whinge?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: GUEST,Alan Patridge
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 11:11 AM

It's just a noise. Alan.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 12:16 PM

Ye Cheeky Buggaz!!

There is a rich and varied language in there - nearly as rich and varied as me ain Geordie

Aah speak from experience as aah wez married tiv a Scouse lass for 4 wonderful years - We wez actually married for 8 years but only fower wez wonderful!!

It's the likes of Cilla Black what gives 'em a bad name - They divvent aall taalk like hor ye knaah -

Having said that!! It IS a language and not a dialect and if ye wanna learn it then ye hev te gan te college or be born there.

Aaah bet you twos are Brummies, aren't yez?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 12:49 PM

Geordie is a dialect you silly bugger Geordie-Porgie :-) LOL

Here is a translator I typed "bollocks" in and it came back with "bollocks. http://www.geordie.org.uk/translate.htm

WHAT IS A GEORDIE ?

The Anglo-Saxon `Northumbrian' dialects of North Eastern England take a number of forms which are often loosely termed `Geordie' but technically a Geordie can only be a native of those parts of Northumberland and Durham known as Tyneside. Why is this so ? and what exactly is a Geordie ?.

No-one knows for sure exactly how the residents of Tyneside or perhaps more accurately Newcastle-upon-Tyne became known as Geordies. One theory is that it was the name given to the workers of the railway pioneer `Geordie' Stephenson, another is that it was a term for a pitman deriving from his use of Stephenson's `Geordie' Lamp. There is some evidence to support this theory but it fails to explain why Newcastle folk - the `Novocastrians' claim to be the true Geordies. What is needed is a theory which shows why specifically Newcastle people are known as `Geordies' - the answer can be found in history.



Anyway Scouse is a dialect

Scouse - which evolved from a mix of Irish, Scots, Welsh and Lancashire accents in the late 19th century - now varies greatly between different generations

A special language has developed in the form of dockers nicknames, which not only reflect the richness of the local dialect but also the strong sense of humour for which Scousers are world renowned.

Backslang is believed to have come from Romany culture. It's a dying art form, but there are still local men and women who can talk the lingo.



Oh sorry I forgot to mention that I am a Brummie :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: kendall
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 12:52 PM

Where I come from scouse is clam chowder is chowder without the clams.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 02:10 PM

I'll never forget the day I was stood behind two young Chinese kids looking in a shop window in Liverpool. I couldn't help but chuckle when one says to the other in broad scouse 'Ay, thems a birrof awright, ain't they la?'

But as a pround Manc I have to vote for noise:-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 02:41 PM

...He gave us a feed of American hash
And he called it Liverpool scouse...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: terrier
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 03:38 PM

Dokkers,yer won't find many dokkers in der Pool dese days,
yerknowwarrameanlikearkid. :]

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: HuwG
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 06:42 PM

The following joke was recounted recently on Greater Manchester Radio (GMR)

Two Liverpudlian young offenders are sharing a cell in Borstal. One is laboriously writing a letter. He looks up and says "Ay ! Ay ! How do you spell 'Daryl' ?"

"What you wanna know for ?" says his cell mate. "We don't know any c*** in 'ere called Daryl."

The first one says, "'Cause I want me mam to send us a pair of jeans Daryl fit me."

"You daft wassock!", says the second. "It's not, 'daryl' fit me. It's 'worral'."

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: robomatic
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 10:23 PM

LOLOL

how will I ever translate that away from the 'cat?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Rasener
Date: 21 Oct 06 - 03:29 AM

Oye oye my surname is Worrall :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 21 Oct 06 - 05:59 AM

One theory about the name Geordie- in the 15 and the 45, the Scots supported the Stuarts (the pretenders James) while the English mostly supported the Hangoverians - Kings George I and II. Newcastle was the first large city (apart from Berwick that has only ever counted as a border post) on the east side, and so the supporters of the Georges who lived there were called Geordies.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 21 Oct 06 - 06:45 PM

good typo paul- hangoverians

Scouse isn't a language, just a distraction whilst they nick your car...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 02:05 PM

Haddaway 'n' Shite - It IS a language

How can it be a Dalek ye daft sod!! They're from the future

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: terrier
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 02:23 PM

Correct, Geordie and Dr.Who (Tom Baker) was a Merseysider,SO THERE!!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Rasener
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 04:38 PM

Exterminate Geordie-Peorgie for not knowing the difference between a dialect and a language LOL :-)

Have you ever sung at the Moor & Coast Fetsival at Whitby Geordie-Peorgie ?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Rasener
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 04:51 PM

Not Fetsival (thats another dialect), but Festival

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 05:35 PM

Aah've not been te Whitby since a wez a lad - Now aah cannit gan at aall becoz me passport's expired! Aah could become an illegal immigran t and let the government gerruz a big hoose in Yorkshire

Aah agree though! It IS a canny fetsival

Ye knaah why the river Mersey runs through Liverpool???

If it waalked it'd get mugged!

Aah still think it's a language - Just like Geordie!! Say what yez like, there are some terms in so caaalled 'dialect' that divvent have a proper word in the english language - Just like the Scots!!

Anyway - What div aah knaah - Aa'm just a Thick Geordie Yacka

Now the Aussies! They apparently have 52 different words for 'Vomiting' - Is that class or what???

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: fumblefingers
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 01:49 AM

The difference between a language and a dialect is that a language has an alphabet and set grammar, punctuation and spelling rules.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 03:57 AM

It's a noise, and all they talk about is The Beatles!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Rasener
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 04:18 AM

LOL Geordie-Peorgie will now argue that Scouse has an alphabet and set grammar, punctuation and spelling rules. :-)

I have to say GP, its very interesting reading your posts in dialect (I mean that seriously). Are you able to type the way you speak or do you have to think about it. I know I couldn't type Brummmie dialect in the way its spoken.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 04:33 AM

If u rote inglish the way its spoken, yood rite it mostly rong.

English hasn't got a (unique) alphabet, it shares the Roman alphabet with various others, so perhaps English isn't a language.

As for a "set grammar", grammar changes- does that mean that every now and again English stops being a language, and becomes a dialect? Punk 2 Asians likewise.

I've nothing against Liverpool; I once parked there for a couple of hours without losing any wheels at all. But they never got over Americans telling them that their accent was cute back in the 60s.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 10:46 AM

it's a dilect (excuse spelling)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 02:54 PM

Haddaway Villan Man!!! Scousers DO have an alphabet

A is for 'orses
B for Pork
C for yourself
D f' iciency
E for you do or E for you don't
F for vescent
etc etc etc

As to me writin'! When aah moved south with me Mam in 1965 we cuddent afford forruz te gan te school aall week and although aah larned te speak Englandish, aah nivvor larned te write it.

Me brother can write English but 'e aalways wez the clevvor one - He's at University in Edinburgh noo! In a jar in the laboratory.

Paul Borke has gorrit reet though! But PLEASE divvent gerruz started on the yanks - If THEY wrote as they speak..... Oh! They dee!

As for Grammar - Mine's still livin' wi' me Grandad!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 06:19 PM

O' course ye could write Brummie, Villan! Aah'll just hand ye ower te me mate Winston from Wolverhampton........

...... Awwroyt youell!! Howm ye dewin'guh? Orm a beeg beeg fan of Jespah Kerrit yar nowse!!

Aallreet Winston! Ta Mate!! - He's a canny lad Winston burreez aallwez tryin' te pinch somebody's Cortina ye knaah!

Seriously though! Writing it just comes naturally - I used to speak like that as a kid and I love the dialect AND the language of the Geordies but when I moved south and had to go back to school they kept calling me 'Jock' and beating me up so I learned to speak 'Hampshire' until the muscles arrived from Charles Atlas's course and THEN I kicked some arse! Kept a sort-of southern accent tinged with Birkenhead & Geordie since then

And aall this is nee mair than a king-size wind-up man!!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: fumblefingers
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 06:29 PM

"English hasn't got a (unique) alphabet, it shares the Roman alphabet with various others, so perhaps English isn't a language."

English has been using the same alphabet for very long time. It's unique inasmuch as it's different from Sanskrit, Chinese, Russian, Greek and so forth. It is definitely counted as a language.

I was thinking about Batak, which contains many Indonesian words, but has it's own alphabet. The same goes for Bugis.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 12:25 AM

Soo FF we are all Daleks after all. :-)

he he I know its a windup GP, but it is very interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 02:56 PM

Heyup Villan!!

Aah'm lukkin' forward te hevvin a pint or two with yez te tek this Dr Who connection a bit forther forward.

Whe's this Ibo?? Weren't they a tribe that Idi Amin belannged tee?

What the hell diz he knaah aboot dialects and languages - Unless he can chant in Banyu!!

Gerrontivit ye Buggaz

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 05:34 PM

is Wayne Rooney a scouser or a mancurian or neither.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Scouse a language or just noise?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 03:49 AM

Rooney's from Croxteth. He apparently went to the De La Salle school so he's not really responsible for the way he is.