BS: Dems Take Senate

Subject: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: 282RA
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:13 PM

A few minutes ago, the AP and NBC News have announnced that Jim Webb is the winner of the Virginia Senate Race giving democrats. As I watch, Joe Scarborough, a Republican, is giving it to Webb. Although it still isn't official, it is already decided. Webb has won. There are 49 dems, 49 pubs, and 2 indies. The indies--one of them a socialist--have indicated they will caucus with the dems essentially making it a 51-49 Senate in favor of the dems. Allen's camp have hinted that he will likely concede as early as tomorrow.

What a stunning reversal literally overnight! And while the dems are still sort of pinching themselves and still be hesitant to talk too strongly about investigating the scandals, the fraud and the rationale for war there is little doubt that they will do so. They have to. To ignore it would be criminal in and of itself and the election itself is the people telling them, "You'd damned well better!" And they will. They have to. There's too much there to ignore and they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they ignore it.

Bush is nervous and he needs to be nervous. Long time in coming. God, it feels good to hear the conservative bitching and moaning for a change.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:17 PM

AHA! And who, I wonder, are the "crybabies" now!??

"How sweet it is!"
      --Jackie Gleason

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:21 PM

The true conservatives, the ones of the sort of Barry Goldwater, aren't moaning and gnashing their teeth. It's the neo-conservatives, the divisive ones, the Gingriches, who are doing so.

And the Democrats CANNOT ignore the voters, not this time. Perhaps it's true: the country is waking up.

I hope so, for there is very little time left before the hubris of the US turns it into a second-rate nation.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:42 PM

Hope the tickers on those SC justices are good enough to last two more years...

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: EBarnacle
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:52 PM

Until the last two races are conceded or won on recount, we do not have a majority. If it comes out as a tie, the Republicans win because the Vice President is President of the Senate and casts the deciding vote in the case of a tie.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:57 PM

Well, you have until into the New Year before the new Senate sits, so why all the hurry?

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: 282RA
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:59 PM

One more time: the two indie senators will caucus with the dems. Therefore there almost no chance of a tie. It's 51-49 in favor of the dems. The VP vote won't mean anything. It won't even happen because there won't be a tie.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: jeffp
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:13 PM

EBarnacle is just being cautious. It isn't official until it has been certified and all recount deadlines have passed. And it isn't effective until everybody takes office.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:24 PM

In the meantime, it was in the 70s in Minnesota today! So I vote against rushing towards the JANUARY inauguration for sure!

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 11:00 PM

Is one of the independent Senators Lieberman? Has he specifically said he would caucus with the Democrats? His vote is extremely valuable-- has he asked anything in return?


Regardless of who caucuses together, there will be shifting alliances, as always.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: Amos
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 11:38 PM

Current press says Montana has fallen to the Dems and Virginia is on the brink of concession, as the spread is consistent in the recount.
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Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: 282RA
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 12:05 AM

>>Is one of the independent Senators Lieberman?<<

Yes.

>>Has he specifically said he would caucus with the Democrats?<<

Yes.

>>His vote is extremely valuable--<<

Agreed.

>>has he asked anything in return?<<

He wants back in. He is still in Congress largely due to conservative votes so he will have to split on some issues but I'm sure that has been discussed already. He wants back in and the dems would like to take him back in. What drove them apart--Iraq--is kind of a moot point now. The public has spoken on that. So I think he and the dem party are kind of kissing and making up.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: 282RA
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 12:06 AM

>>EBarnacle is just being cautious. It isn't official until it has been certified and all recount deadlines have passed. And it isn't effective until everybody takes office.<<

In that case, I agree the VP becomes the tie breaker.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: Barry Finn
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 12:11 AM

It's all said & done with. Allen has conceded, Virginia has a democratic Senator, Senator Webb. The Senate belongs to the people once again.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 12:47 AM

it is a very unfortunate fact but the dems indeed take over the senate, to the grief of america. Now terrible times awaits us, times of a country headed to chaos and mbiguous policies. This is a great defeat for america and victory for islamist fashists.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: 282RA
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 01:20 AM

>>This is a great defeat for america and victory for islamist fashists.<<

What's wrong with Islamic fashion?

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 01:42 AM

The return of Amerca to civilisation can begin.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:56 AM

I haven't seen where Allen has thrown in the towell, Barry, but have noted that Webb has declared victory... According to CNN this morbning the Allen camp is still weighin' it's options... From a purely political viewpoint, if Allen asks for a recount and the numbers come back the same, which is likely considering the recent recount of Virginia's Attorney General race, then this will paint Allen as crybaby and a double-loser and kill off any future plans to run again...

Either way, glad to see the Bush-clone on the way out... He had 6 years to show what he's made of and did absolutely nuthin' but rubber stamp Bush...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:07 AM

Yeah, the Virginia thing is a replay of the 2000 election, Senate-style.

Allen is getting his orders from Rove. I think they're trying to figure out a Supreme Court challenge angle, myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 07:55 PM

Allen conceeded this afternoon...

Done deal...

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: TIA
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:16 PM

Guest, guest, guest....don't you realize that Republican actions have been beyond the wildest dreams of the Islamic Fashionistas?

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:32 PM

Yeah, TIA, but on the other hand, while the election may have broken Bush's stranglehold on the US, the Dems ain't like saviors ridin' in on white horses...

GUEST, while perhaps at tad theaterical, has voiced some real concerns that will settle in after the euphoria about the "new bosses"... I have these same naggin' concerns... Yeah, I am more hopefull than I would have been if the Bushites had prevailed but I also understand that policy is driven by money and the average Joe ain't got the money to keep the machine going on a full time basis...

Fritz Hollinsworth, a former SC Senator, told "60 Minutes" that he had to raise $8000 a day to finance his next campaign just to stay in office... Hmmmmmmm???

So average Joe giving his 50 bucks here and there ain't gonna cut it and so, yeah...

...I'm concerned...

Where's the $$$ gonna come from an at what cost???

Ahhhhhh, not to be throwin' a wet towell on the celebration but...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:35 PM

The Democratic win is just another dirty Republican trick. The Republicans sit back, watch the Demos have problems, and pounce in the next presidential campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:48 PM

Now don't be like that, Q....

It's up to us... If we push the Dems this scenerio doesn't have to play out like that... If we just sit back than, yeah, that very well may happen...

...but we gotta light a big fire under the Democratic Party so they know that they have to perform on a lotta different levels... I've allready sent my first letter to Senator-elect, Jim Webb... And I'd emplore every progressive to take a half an hour away from Mudact and do the same...

Democracy is only as good as all those involved in it...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Dems Take Senate
From: 282RA
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 10:16 PM

I really don't care who is president in 2008. Just as long as the neocons and the evangelicals have seen their day. Anyone else in comparison is normal. Some might be sweating that the dems might lose control in 2 years. Yeah, maybe. So what? As long as they roll a few heads over the fraud in Iraq and the run-up to the war and either dismantle Bush's policies or modify them until they are something palatable. The people have finally spoken to the neocons and CRWs: "Say goodnight, Dick."

Beautiful.