BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 06:29 PM

In logic it is the informal fallacy of attributing to the whole what may be true to the part. It is a non sequiter: it does not follow.

In the case of the Tea Party, these are the facts: It is not a formal party. To date,as far as I know, there is NO membership requirement. The meetings that have been held have been open to the general public and therefore those who have staged the meetings have NO CONTROL over those who may attend other than societal police control. Since this is a free country and free speech is in effect, virtually any opinion could be expresed in a number of ways at such an event and it would not necessairliy be an accurate reflection of those who staged the event.

I believe Sawz brought up the case of the homocidal/suicidal Gorite to demonstrate the absurdity of attributing to the whole what may be true of the part. That's all.

Regardless of your positions on Global Warming or the Tea Party, such arguments are fallacious and when presented with inflamatory language, well, at best it generates hundreds of posts to a topic that ought not to be. That IS all.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 03:06 PM

Anyone who brandishes a weapon at the Tea Party is a terrorist.

Keep your guns at home!

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 02:23 PM

Huh?? Who did I accuse of representing the whole movement? Check your meds, amigo...


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 02:07 PM

Amos,

If you think MY statement is " callow and ineffective", perhaps YOU might guess what I think of your statement using the same factual basis- ie, that ONE person represents the entire movement.


If you don't like what I say, stop saying the same thing ( from the other side) YOURSELF.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 01:48 PM

Ya know, Bruce, many of us mastered the rhetorical device of mindless mimicry, or copying, in pre-school. But by the time we got to fourth grade, we had outgrown it. We also got over the senseless delight in irritating people by using it, because we grew out of the sense of helplessness which made us desperate for anything that would prove we had a point of view.

I don't know why you think it is clever to take someone else's words and twist them around this way, but it is callow and ineffective.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 01:15 PM

The New York Times

I asked the election guru Charlie Cook if there were signs that the Tea Party was scaring away the independents. I haven't seen any, he replied. I asked another Hall of Fame pollster, Peter Hart, if there were Republican or independent voters so alarmed by the Tea Party that they might alter their votes. He ran the numbers and found very few potential defectors.

The fact is, as the Tea Party has surged, so has the G.O.P. When this primary season began in early February, voters wanted Democrats to retain control of Congress by 49 percent to 37 percent, according to an Associated Press-Gfk poll. In the ensuing months, Tea Party candidates won shocking victories in states from Florida to Alaska. The most recent A.P./Gfk poll now suggests that Americans want Republicans to take over Congress by 46 percent to 43 percent.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 01:10 PM

Amos,

To conflate the droolings of one psycho with the general principles of the Tea Party must take a very bitter, short-tempered mind indeed, Amos. It is a patent, transparent effort to confuse and heap acrimony on someone who really does not deserve it, using the cheapest of rhetorical machinations. Really, you DO have better things to do with your time. You seem a little desperate to invalidate people any way you can think of. Why is that?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 12:49 PM

The logic I am pointing out is that if somebody does something horrible and weird it is declared an isolated incident by a psychopath unless they are in anyway associated, ever even walked past a conservative rally. Then It is declared to be a conspiracy carried out by a terrorist organization, every conservative is guilty of terrorism and belongs to the Taliban.

The old double standard rears it's ugly head again. Bobert's propaganda rules.

In giving voice to people who are pissed off seems that one global warming anti pollution nut, hyped up by Al Gore, has now committed a suicide, terrorist, hostage taking attack on a private company because he disagreed with them.

Me thinks that the Taliban are alive and well in the USA

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 08:41 AM

Righto, GfinS... Amos and I should just let the polluters pollute our water and our air because, after all, they are wealthy and wealthy folks can't be or do anythig worng, can they??? And anyone who has the adasity to stand up to the polluters should be villified... And after that we should all just bow down to the polluters and thank them for providing us our meager jobs... I* mean, what good is clean air and water if we don't have jobs makin' Boss Hog's widgets...

BTW, don't worry about the green glow in that pond out back... Our scientists say it's cleaner than clean... Might of fact they say they are thinkin' of bottlin' it up and sellin' it in the health food stores...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 01:13 AM

Come on, let's not be nuts! The guy was an environmental wacko. Isn't that obvious?? ..and, as far as Al Gore is concerned, he, his doctrine, and his film have been proven to be fraudulent!..I don't think there should be much debate about that! To agree with Gore, especially with this other nut ball, was/is just enough to set the wacko behavior off!
So, Amos and Bobert, Don't embarrass yourselves by defending Gore or the whack-job nut-ball...and just because Sawzaw posts the post he did, which happens to be true, to jump his shit for it, is just left-over clinging to fraudulent premises of the past. Get over it!
Jeez!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 01:05 AM

Personally, Al gore puts me to sleep.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 12:46 AM

So from what I gather by the statements of the two senior repositories of knowledge* here on the Mudcat with nothing better to do, is that what the leftwing psycho terrorist did was OK but the person that makes note of it, Me, needs some help.

Well it always easier to attack the person rather than to refute the information, to "invalidate people any way you can think of" especially when you don't have any facts to refute it with.

FYI the leftwing psycho terrorist said he was "awakened" by Al Gore's movie.

*Knowledge consisting of little known "facts" like Regan eliminated Glass Steagal and Obama bought his own airplane.

And of course don't forget the squirrels.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 04:49 PM

The only one being invalidated here, Amos, is Sawz himself... People that are all that angry should just seek more counseling and/or a change in meds...

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 02:55 PM

To conflate the droolings of one psycho with the general teachings of Al Gore must take a very bitter, short-tempered miond indeed, Mister Zawl. It is a patent, transparent effort to confuse and heap acrimony on someone who really does not deserve it, using the cheapest of rhetorical machinations. Really, you DO have better things to do with your time. You seem a little desperate to invalidate people any way you can think of. Why is that?

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 02:00 PM

Bong hits for the demands of a left wing "terrorist"?:

The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:

1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!

2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.

3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!

4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??

5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!

7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!

8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You're the media, you can reach enough people. It's your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!

9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.

10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!

11. You're also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.

Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.

For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human's lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!

It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It's like a couple are having 30 babies even though it's just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!

Also, war must be halted. Not because it's morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!

The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.

Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

The humans? The planet does not need humans.

You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!

I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.

These are the demands and sayings of Lee.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 01:55 PM

Are Al Goreistas a Terrorist Organization?

MSNBC

Police shot to death a man armed with several bombs who held three hostages Wednesday at the Discovery Communications building. Authorities said the hostages were safe.

At least one device on the man's body went off when he was shot inside the building in suburban Washington, D.C., Montgomery County police Chief Thomas Manger said. Police were trying to determine whether two boxes and two backpacks the gunman had also contained explosives.

Manger said SWAT officers shot the gunman about 4:50 p.m. ET because officials "believed the hostages were in danger." The hostages — two Discovery Communications employees and a security guard — were unhurt after the four-hour standoff.

An NBC News producer who called the building to find out what was going on had a brief telephone conversation with the man when he came on the line unexpectedly. He identified himself as James J. Lee and said, "I have a gun and I have a bomb. ... I have several bombs strapped to my body ready to go off."

Speaking to reporters, Manger would not release the man's identity, but numerous law enforcement authorities gave NBC News the same name James J. Lee. Lee, 43, was a longtime protester at the building who was sentenced to six months of supervised probation for disorderly conduct in March 2008.

Manger said the suspect held the hostages in the lobby area of the first floor. He said police spent several hours negotiating with the armed man after he entered the suburban Washington building about 1 p.m.

The building in the close-in suburb of Washington was safely evacuated, including the Discovery Kids Place day care center, and none of the 1,900 people who work in the building were hurt.

'The planet does not need humans'
Lee appears to have posted environmental and population-control demands online, saying humans are ruining the planet and that Discovery should develop programs to sound the alarm.

"I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it," the alleged manifesto reads, adding:

"Nothing is more important than saving ... the Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels. The humans? The planet does not need humans."
Video: James Lee pitched TV show to Discovery

Court records show that Lee was arrested Feb. 21, 2008, on the sixth day of a protest at the Discovery building. At the time of his conviction in March 2008, he was identified as being from San Diego.

Police were called to the scene when a crowd that had gathered began growing "unruly" as Lee threw thousands of dollars of cash into the air, some of it still in shrink-wrapped packages, police said at the time. (Lee was found not guilty of littering.)

Lee said at the time that he experienced an "awakening" when he watched former Vice President Al Gore's environmental documentary "An Inconvenient Truth."

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 08:57 AM

I hope the Tea Party is at least a wake-up call, for the stupid, and ineffectual, non-representative, career politicians, and their ilk, that have been in office, screwing us around for the past 30-40 years!!! Whether they gather any more, to their roles, has yet to be seen....but the two parties, in their present form, can just go take a hike!!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 08:43 AM

Yeah, in the words of Sarah, "Reload"...

Not too much different between the Tealiban and the brownshirts in Germany in the 30s... Can't win one way then threaten the opposition with 2nd ammendment remedies...

Hope the Tealiban is enjoyin' their little run now 'cause it ain't gonna last...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 11:05 PM

Now the Tea Party Terrorists are even threatening Republican officionados with a "bullet to the head"!

DOVER, Del. – A nasty campaign for the GOP U.S. Senate nomination in Delaware got even uglier Monday when state Republican officials disclosed what they characterized as a death threat against their party chairman.

U.S. Rep. Michael Castle, the choice of the GOP establishment in Tuesday's primary, is trying to fend off a possible upset by tea party candidate Christine O'Donnell.

State party spokesman Tom Doheny said Monday that chairman Tom Ross, who supports Castle and has denounced O'Donnell as a liar and a fraud, last week received a vulgarity-laced e-mail.

Doheny declined to provide a copy of the e-mail or divulge the address it came from, but said the writer suggested that Ross and other so-called Republicans in Name Only, or RINOs, deserve "a bullet in the head."

Doheny said Ross took the threat seriously enough to move his family out of their home, and that the Department of Justice is investigating.

Full story here.

Yeah, the terrorist roots of the Tea Party are beginning to show.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 12:37 AM

Me? I like Joe Crow! Jose Cuervo!. Si! Margaritas all around and move on to the next thread.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Sep 10 - 11:56 PM

"Sawz:

"Bobert's boys created Jim Crow..." is a really off the wall accusation. Which of Bobert's boys do you specifically mean, if specifics are not too big a challenge?"

Why didn't you challenge Bobert to specify the boys he was referring to?

He brought up the reference first. You ignore that and mount a personal attack on me. Do you have some sort of pro Bobert anti Sawzaw bias? Aren't you fair and balanced?

Bobert seems to be on a first name basis with the owner of his favorite rehab joint. How many frequent flier miles have you built up Bobert?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 06:13 PM

Not to worry, Amos and ol'ster... I gotta a call from the Betty Ford folks and they are gonna 'round Sawz up and get him back on the program... He does have a tendency to fall off the wagon...

And 400...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 04:41 PM

Sawz:

"Bobert's boys created Jim Crow..." is a really off the wall accusation. Which of Bobert's boys do you specifically mean, if specifics are not too big a challenge?


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: olddude
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 01:16 PM

Fight nice kids ... don't make me send you to your room or else !!!

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 12:58 PM

My boy is only 25 years old, Sawz... I mean, Jim Crow had been gone a long time when he was born in '85...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 12:52 PM

Bobert's boys created Jim Crow. Now they have to twist the truth in an effort to deny it.

Some of 'em even have to take up weed as an escape from reality.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 08:06 PM

Hey, Amos... Saws has a point there... How 'bout bringin' a bigass bag of that good California weed to the Getaway..

The other points??? SOS... Who cares??? Saws lives in one of them parellel universes where Jim Crow never lived... Where there was never a civil right struggle... Where Bubba really doesn't mean he is suggesting killin' Obama... You know, some kinda Republican utiopia where if there is anything uncomfortable in yer life all ya got5ta do is make a happy oitcure and then twist, distort and mythologize yer way there and everything will be just fine...

Well, it will for Saws... Won't for the folks who are hurt by the policies that his boys want to put in place but, hey...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 05:37 PM

Hey Amos:

Bobert is the one that is constantly saying who wants to kill who and who hates who and stiring up the hate.

"buy guns, lots of ammo and learn to shoot straight 'cause these rednecks mean to kill people who ain't like them...
they are out there preachin' violence"

I merely disagree with his logic and you turn that into hate.

When he goes about blabbering about what ifs and calims that constitues facts, that is not a rational argument.

You have told him several times that the tea party is not a terrorist organization but he continues his rant.

Maybe you and him should have a few beers. Or maybe pass a reefer and the Jug around. Maybe you could talk some sense into him. But AI doubt it.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 03:51 PM

Like I say, Sawz, you can make your choice--try and find an intelligent discussion, or get fixated on hating Bobert. Sounds like you made your decision. You and BB should get together and have a few beers and explain to each other how Bobert and Amos made you do it...



A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 03:41 PM

"making rational counter-arguments"

Like Bobert does?

Like his rational argument about the gold plated M=16 and all kinds of booty?

How about the beater airplane he claims Obama bought?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 03:07 PM

Wait a minute, Amos... I like what Sawz did... I mean, some of them quotes is purdy danged good...

And ya' gotta admit that it is flattering to know that there's someone out there who prolly has a wall filled with yer piccures and all these quotes... I mean, yer just jealous, Amos, that you don't have yer bery own cyber-stalker...

As fir the Tea Party being a terrorist organization??? I mean, let's not put them up there with Osama but they certainly understand the use of terrorism... I mean terorism cvomes in all shapes and sizes... If yer this nurse who happened to wnat to speak up at a town hall meeting in favor of health care reform only to find the room filled with very pissed off, vulgar and rude people, hey, you prolly were terrorized...

I mean, these tactics are meant to scare.... Hmmmmmm??? So are the Taliban's tactics...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 01:56 PM

"♫. . . if he only had a brain. . . .♫"

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 12:34 PM

Methinks, Sawz, if you spent a fraction of your artistic energy in making rational counter-arguments, instead of investing so much homework in making Bobert sound bad, you would be a lot more credible.

For my part I do not think the Tea Party is "terrorist", but I think they try very hard to be loud and intimidating, and I think they are misguided.

Seriously misguided.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 11:19 AM

Bobert: Your "reality" is based on what ifs and not based on reality.

"if Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, John Beohner and Mitch McConell were offed over the next year I think you might have some idea of our reality"

You are one step away from hearing voices.

"if that happened tghe conservative movement "

"what if I were to take a Cherokee and fly it into a Tea Party gathering???"

"if I had the sign and the gun but"

"if ya' know that people are out there who are on Boss Hog's payrolll and their only job is to take yer life's work and twist it in a manner that makes you look like a monster then that has to be terribly terrorizin'" That one is really scary.

"If I had showed up at one of those scripted Bush war rallies with a gun and a sign suggesting that its the patriotic thing

"if he's around, can tell ya' what kinda rifle it was... It ceratinly wasn't a pistol... It was some kinda shortened rifle.." Bobert's reality keeps changing a S&W 9 mm pistol into a rifle. And then there was that gold plated M-16 too.

"if all of a sudden liberals started a liberal NRA and armed themselves as well as the righties then I don't think the "redneck superiority complex" (RSC) would hold up too long"

"if it had been a group of very rowdy, heavily armed Black Panther lookin' dudes accross the street from a Bush rally???" This one is particurly unrealistic because Bobert discredits anyone who uses the Black Panthers in a hypothesis. Yep Bobert has given himself special priveledges that he denies to others. Reality at it's finest.

"I find it incredulous that anyone would use the Black Panthers as an argument that the "left" is as guilty as the "right" in assholish behavior" But it is OK for Bobert to use the Black Panters as an argument that "right" is as guilty as the "left" in assholish behavior"

You are welcome to your private reality that is based on what ifs and you own special set of rules, Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 05:49 PM

Yeah, that's exactly it... The sign holder wasn't armed...

You may poopoo what Amos and I have said would have happened to me at a Bush rally if I had the sign and the gun but, hey, you live in another reality that really cannot possibly comprehend what it is like to watch yer entire leadership and movement wiped out with assasins bullets...

Hey, if Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, John Beohner and Mitch McConell were offed over the next year I think you might have some idea of our reality... And, no, I am not threatening that or even wishing it... But if that happened tghe conservative movement would be set back decades because it would set a fear level in every right winged loonie out there thinking it's okay to be an obnoxious, anti-socail jerk...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 02:25 PM

PRobably because they were unarmed?


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:51 PM

Why wasn't the person holding this sign shot Bobert?

Bobert fact #98745731 Anybody that disagrees with Bobert is automatrically wrong and they are a right winger.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:51 PM

I think, extrapolating from the general tenor of Bush public meetings, with their special "free speech zones" and heavy handed policing actions, that if the situation Bobert suggests had occurred the perpetrator would have had his legal rights severely and rapidly curtailed.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:36 PM

Why didn't they shoot the guy at the Obama rally Bobert?

Besides, what does it matter if it didn't happen?

We have the following facts to go on:

A guy showed up at an Obama rally.

He had a gun.

He had a sign.

He did not get shot.

He did not try to shoot Obama.

All of the local and Gov police knew about it.

They all said it was legal and he was within his rights.


You are trying to concoct some sort of Bogey Man scanario and turn it into a fact.

That is a scare tactic. A straw man logical fallacy.

Also it is or will soon be a Negative proof fallacy. That is if I can't prove the guy wouldn't have been shot at a Bush rally [proving a negative] then he would have been shot and that constitutes fact.

I am not your enemy Bobert. I merely show where you are wrong and you get a grudge trying to prove your unprovable points. You also exhibit a grudge for anybody that disagrees with you. Whereupon you start using personal insults as if it proves you are right.

You start threads like this one to deliberately stir up an argument and then you complain about people the arguments.

Certainly you want to know if you are right or wrong. Or are you an Idealist that only knows how things should be rather than the way things are.

You are always wailing about the facts I bring up being minor details and then you accuse others of not knowing the facts.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 09:51 PM

One question, Sawz... If I had showed up at one of those scripted Bush war rallies with a gun and a sign suggesting that its the patriotic thing to do to off leaders from time to time what do you think would have happened??? Don't hurt yer head on this one...

BTW, you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on yer right winged posterior...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 09:14 PM

Boberts defense of kill cracker babies statements:

"No, once again you have put forth another patented oranges/apples arguement."

Ok Bobert keep analyzing everything I say and how I say it.

If Bobert didn't hear it or see it in his left wing media sources, it is totally discredited. It does not matter.

Of course when some militia group buys guns and it hits the liberal media, it is as important to him as the end of the world.

As per your request, my analysis of your petulant rants is racist and bigoted. That's because you want to excuse what a bl**k panther said and condemn a person that legally wears a pistol and carries a sign bearing a Thomas Jefferson quote. Right while the Secret Service is watching him and the cops [whom you claim would kill you for the same thing] are watching him and saying it is legal and he is no threat. Seems to me you want to violate this man's civil rights.

PS: More analysis: You asked what kind of gun it was and I said it was a S&W 9 mm pistol not a rifle. Then you say "what is the difference" and then you go back to repeating it was a rifle. If there is no difference, why do you keep insisting it was a rifle? Facts elude you Bobert. You now know it was a pistol but you keep saying it was a rifle.

Even more analysis: You seem to have written your self a permit to say things that are incorrect while you demand that others stick to the facts. That is unless it is a good buddy that agrees with your "Bobert facts" A member of the Bobert fan club. They get a pass. And even those members have tried to tell you on several occasions that you were wrong but it bounces off of you like bullets off of Superman. Like Tweed that said you have become bent.

Your claim that you "would have been shot if" is a typical attempt to distort the truth and make a fact out of a hypothesis. A theory that "If this had happened then that would have happened and that's a fact" It's an unproven theory, not a fact. Theories have to be tested before it becomes fact.

How many presidents have been shot by people visibly carrying a gun anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 07:32 PM

Are college professors a terrorist organization?

"Now how do I know that the white people know that we are going to come up with a solution to the problem. I know it because they have retina scans, racial profiling, DNA banks, and they're monitoring our people to try to prevent the ONE person from coming up with the ONE idea. And the one idea is, how we are going to exterminate white people because that in my estimation is the only conclusion I have come to. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve the problem. *applause* Now I don't care whether you clap or not but I'm saying to you that we need to solve this problem because they are going to kill us. And I will leave on that. So we just have to set up our own system and stop playing and get very serious and not get diverted from coming up with a solution to the problem and the problem on the planet is white people."

Dr. Kamau Kambon

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 01:18 PM

"Rig, did you read beyond the complaint?"


            You're right, Ebbie, I missed it the first time, but it looks like what you don't pay in additional taxes you'll make up for in higher deductables, so what is gained?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 12:39 PM

I was thinkin' about that just a little while ago, Eb... Seems that the right (Repubs) have become the party of liars... Bush lied to US and got US in a really expensive and immoral war...

Now we have a string of lies being told over and over by the right (Repubs) as they try to lie their way back into power...

The sad thing is that the American people are either too busy or too dumbed down to have a clue that they are being feed a steady diet of mythology from the right (Repubs)...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 12:17 PM

'Right' certainly doesn't mean 'Correct', these days.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:41 AM

Don't clutter poor ol' Rigs head with facts, Eb... I'm not too sure what has happened to Rigs but he/she has certainly taken a sharp turn to the right... Way right, too... That means that facts are no longer relevant...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:28 AM

Rig, did you read beyond the complaint? Snopes goes on to analyze the charge and delivers a verdict: FALSE.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 09:09 AM

Yeah, TIA... Reckon folks who have never considered what it musta been like to be a black person in the Jim Crow South won't have a clue but...

...yeah, if ya' know that people are out there who are on Boss Hog's payrolll and their only job is to take yer life's work and twist it in a manner that makes you look like a monster then that has to be terribly terrorizin'... I mean, for black folks who are old enogh to rmember Jim Crow I'm sure there is alot of "Oh shit, I thought we were past that" thinkin'... I mean, it's only natural...

Personally, I don't think too many white people get this because they haven't spent enough time with black people to have a knowledge base that let's them fully understand the lingerin' effects of a hundred years of Jim Crow... Hey, I've spent alot of my life working with and around black folks and would like to think I have an understanding but no one really can understand it if they don't have some history livin' in fear...

Maybe this will become a teachable incident but the probklem is that the folks who are doing the terrorizing (like playground bullies) don't see themselves as part of the problem and are the very ones who won't allow themselves to learn anything from it but...

...quite the opposite... They are allready lining up with their usual poor-victim-me rationalizations and alibis... Normal...

Yeah, I think we are way past due to have that discussion on race that Bill Clionton tried to get going back in '96... There are way too many folks out there who are clueless...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:43 AM

Andrew Breitbart is certainly a terrorist.
He was completely willing to very publicly destroy a civilian non-combatant in order to make a political statement.
The very definition of a Terrorist.
And Faux News has a history of aiding and abetting this terrorist.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 07:21 AM

Okay Melissa's post says exactly what Sanity says is says. Is there a mystery here?