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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jan 08 - 01:56 PM Well, I guess I can't argue with any of those. I suppose it shouldn't be so difficult to stand around and watch them take it back. It is, though, for some reason... |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 21 Jan 08 - 01:09 PM Okay. How about "aggressive,unholy and unjust" or "Feculent, reeking Corrupion" or "one of the darkest scenes in our history-a war forced upon our and the Mexican people by the high-handed usurpation of President Polk in pursuit of territorial aggrandizement of the slave oligarchy." These are some examples of contemporary views of the war. Neil |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jan 08 - 12:14 PM The concept of an "illegal war" is something that takes getting used to. On the other hand, the way we use the term now, if Congress did declare war on Mexico in--was it 1849?--does that make it a legal war? Anyway, the fact that those wars happened at all is what folks like La Voz de Aztlan use for ammunition. |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 21 Jan 08 - 11:35 AM While I agree that nobody would ever realistic expect that the US would return the land stolen from Mexico or even pay them for its current per acre value, I often use that possibility in order to make a point. When some one starts bitching about illegal immigration from Mexico, I'll say that before we should talk about deporting one single Mexican we should give them back California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and most of Nevada and Colorado since we stole it from them in an illegal war of conquest. It doesn't often change their opinions but it sometimes shuts them up for a minute. As a character in a recent movie said: "I didn't cross the border, the border crossed me." There are many Mexicans living in my region (NE Ohio). They work hard, obey the laws, mind their own business and spend their earnings in the local businesses where they pay sales tax, which as far as I'm concerned is more than their fair share of the tax burden. They do not measurably effect the local unemployment rate. Maybe we could use more of them contributing to our historically multi-cultural society. Neil |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 21 Jan 08 - 10:22 AM Rig-- Spare us your drivel, Mr. Sour Cynic, once, if it's not too much trouble. There are actually,--not always but sometimes--people, even--gasp--religious people, who do the right thing, since it's the right thing. Obviously that doesn't include you--no surprise there. |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jan 08 - 08:12 AM Right. In the case of Katrina, they could do something that made them "feel good," which is what they're all about, and they knew a lot of other folks would see them doing it. |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 20 Jan 08 - 11:03 AM Even the "Christian Right" is not quite as fiendish--or clueless in addressing problems--as pictured here. After Katrina, many churches, which would no doubt be placed on the "Christian Right" by the omniscient Mudcatters we are graced with, provided much assistance--food, housing, etc. to victims of Katrina. And did it much more quickly and efficiently than either the federal government or the Red Cross. One of the serious problems they do have is a contradiction between "rights of the unborn" and lack of concern for the child after birth--except in extraordinary circumstances like Katrina. |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Mo the caller Date: 20 Jan 08 - 07:08 AM Well I'm not a Christian, or am American, and I haven't read most of this thread. But 'Jesus' could miraculously simplify the issue with free food and healthcare, it is not so simple in the real world. I do agree though, that the Christian Right should not be less compassionate that liberals and the Left. |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Jan 08 - 02:41 PM Sorry, Amos, I must demur. "A poor boy's skull" usually knows how to deal with the Nicene Creed, and how much weight to assign to it. And "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"--while basically an unattainable ideal, is a useful counter to inborn selfishness. If you think there is religious brainwashing of children going on in Sunday school, consider how many stay brainwashed--precious few. Adolescent rebellion and their own reading are far more powerful influences. |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Amos Date: 19 Jan 08 - 02:11 PM Semantically you are differentiating between the philosophy of religion versus its practice and organization and cultural form, and it is true of almost all religions that these two things can be very different and even diametrically incompatible. However, the very doctrine -- for example the Nicean Creed -- can act as a real stunner when fed to an unsuspecting, trusting soul who could otherwise discover the world for himself. The kind of re-education that needs to be emphasized is the right and ability to sort out one's own truth and voice in these matters . As far as the young are concerned, it does not matter whether enforced "realities" are laid onto him by family or neighborhood or peers or authorities from some temple or cathedral nearby -- when such data is enforced on a viewpoint it is a suppression of his ability to know things. Any culture -- familial or regional or tribal -- that engages in the practice of enforced indoctrination in spiritual matters is being, to one degree or another, oppressive. Even the kindest interpretation of Christian guidance can spin a poor boy's skull when he starts trying to deal with metaphysical entities and supernatural claims but is not allowed to make up his own mind about them. A |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Jan 08 - 01:50 PM Amos- I suspect we're just talking semantics here, but my view would be that in both cases you cite, religion itself is not abuse--but it is being abused. It is also possible, it seems, for the individual himself or herself to abuse religion. Religion itself is not to blame, but rather the use to which it is put. Similarly patriotism, socialism--or even secularism--all of which can be and have been abused. For instance, I would say that advocating either "stamping out" religion or "re-educating'' away from it is abuse of secularism--and nothing a rational person would promote. It is up first to each family and then to each individual how they look at religion--and nobody should seek to coerce anybody else---which is clearly implied by "stamping out" or "re-education"-either towards or away from religion. |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Amos Date: 19 Jan 08 - 12:07 PM Thanks for the historical insight. There is no question that other kinds of abuse may be more virulent than the kinds covered by Riginslinger's remark, which was deklivered without parameters or qualifications. I believe there are two modalities in which religion IS abuse. One of these is the kind suffered by the individual who is completely swept up in material perspectives, has no connection that he will admit to any realm other than physical energy, space and the body he drives. To such an individual, the notion of spirituality of any kind can be abusive because it is threatening -- it could destabilize his whole worldview, open up more confusions than he could keep up with in his nightmares, and force him to reevaluate all his ethical choices against a standard much higher (if that is the right word) than any he had ever tried to use. This can be, temporarily at least, very crushing and invalidative. By contrast, the OTHER way religion can be abuse is for the individual who DOES have a glimmer of his own spiritual nature, a sense of self that is more than material, a connection with his own creative powers and imagination, a touch of telepathy or other more-than-physical ability. To such a person, being given a model of the universe peopled with power icons and supranormal identities with which he cannot easily connect, or which he has to subscribe to in order to create and then connect with, is destructive, and can induce insanity in various degrees. The middle ground is to find those paths of education which center around self-responsibility and the sovereign right of an individual to explore the universe and his powers in it on the basis of his own say-so. There a huge flood of other kinds of cognitive abuse available in the world for young people from bad education to perverse cultural conventions and brutal peers. Defusing all that is something every child needs as he transitions into adulthood, but doing it with gimcrack beliefs not anchored in his own sense of self will not serve. Some of these things can be worse than arbitrary religious indoctrination, but that is neither here nor there. A |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Jan 08 - 11:27 AM "Fritz Gerlich, the..." |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Jan 08 - 11:23 AM Rig-- Are you not aware there have been Irish and Italian immigrants to the US? My reference, since it appears to have escaped your giant brain, was to the fact that nativists in the US feared and hated the Irish and Italian immigrants for many reasons including the reason you now cite regarding Hispanics--their quickly increasing numbers, raising the fear that the "native-born Americans" themselves would be soon in the minority. "Hitler was a Catholic." This statement, unsurprisingly, shows spectacular ignorance of history. There was huge tension between Hitler and the German Catholic Church right from the start. Hitler and the Vatican signed a Concordat,--as part of Gleichschaltung-- since Hitler was determined to eliminate any competition in the political sphere. Catholics could maintain their religion in return for refraining from any political action--including defending Jews who had converted to Catholicism. From "Hitler's Pope"--a book which even rabid anti-religious Mudcatters might possibly realize is not a whitewash of the Catholic Church: There was a rally of Catholic apprentices June 8-11, 1933 in Munich--that is, before the Concordat. "After sporadic attacks on individuals by brownshirts during the first two days, the Nazi uniformed thugs organized a series of violent attacks on larger groups on Saturday evening. Catholic youths in their hundreds were beaten up and chased off the streets. their distinctive orange shirts ripped from their backs." "Throughout June, Center Party" (the Catholic party) " deputies and members were subjected to a wave of terror: house searches, arrests, intimidation. In Munich, Fritz, the courageously outspoken Catholic editor of "Der Gerade Weg", was beaten almost to death in the magazine's offices, then thrown into a concentration camp (he was murdered a year later)." Nazi press justification of these and other attacks: "Catholicism aims in every way to sabotage the orders of the government and to work against it". Even after the Concordat: "...Catholicism was under pressure from a variety of authorities within the Reich: Baldur von Schirach, head of the Hitler Youth, was undermining Catholic youth organizations;...the Finance Ministry was investigating Catholic missionary societies for offenses against currency laws...Throughout Germany there were piecemeal attempts to break the hold of Catholicism in schools--from the banning of crucifixes and religious pictures on the walls to the proscription of dual membership in Nazi and Catholic work organizations to the firing of Catholic instructors..." Do you think Hitler did not sanction this? How naive are you? |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Riginslinger Date: 19 Jan 08 - 10:18 AM Ron - If I'm deficient in history, your weakness is geography. Ireland and Italy don't share a common border with the United States. And, the US hasn't grabbed large chunks of their countries over the years. As far as religion is concerned, I guess the only question that remains to be answered is: whose child are you? |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Jan 08 - 12:33 AM Rig-- And as far as religion being abuse, especially when applied to young children, that's the sort of calm open-minded statement we'd expect from you. As I've said, I'm not in the least religious. But if I were your child, I'd be tempted to join a fundamentalist church, just to rebel against you. Why is live and let live something you never consider? |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Jan 08 - 12:24 AM Rig-- So you finally admit, there's no plan by Hispanic groups to give back any part of the US to Mexico. That's progress. And your latest self-inflicted nightmare is that Hispanics will take over parts of the US just by a higher birthrate. This conspiracy theory is a bit boring--the same was said about the Irish, Italians, etc. As I've already explained to you at least once, it never happens that way. When an ethnic group comes to the US the first generation often has lots of kids. As the second generation gets educated and realizes a higher standard of living comes with fewer kids, they act on that. And it doesn't matter what they hear about "be fruitful and multiply"--self-interest outweighs that. If you'd read a bit of history, your overheated imagination wouldn't make such trouble for you. |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: M.Ted Date: 18 Jan 08 - 07:05 PM Joe--Your distinction between ideology and philosophy is a good one. I describe the people that scare me as the ones who want me to do something because of what they believe. |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: PoppaGator Date: 18 Jan 08 - 04:44 PM When the title first appeared with slashes in it, I was unable to post a reponse before first editing the newly-revised and then-current title line by deleting the slashes. I had been given a message to the effect that "title cannot include html code." Subsequent resposnses seemed to include various revised/lengthened versions of the title, including slashes. Maybe people put spaces after the slashes, or something, to prevent them from being "read" as components of html code. This thread must finally be dying a natural death, if this is all we have to talk about... |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Bill D Date: 18 Jan 08 - 03:13 PM some clone messed with the title...some others fixed it. |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 18 Jan 08 - 02:39 PM I haven't been following this thread, but I have noticed that its name keeps changing. What's up with that? A private joke or just someone with an EDIT key being an asshole? |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Donuel Date: 18 Jan 08 - 02:18 PM Rev. Dollar but Jesusis letting Sen G do the work |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Riginslinger Date: 18 Jan 08 - 08:18 AM "Exactly why should any sentient being believe that there is the slightest chance of any group ever returning any part of the US to Mexico?" Ron - The concept is really mis-stated when put this way. In a broader sense, what the La Voz de Aztlan is saying is, they want to take over the American Southwest by occupying it with sheer numbers. It would be a lot like having a conversation with Mike Huckabee about evolution: He would say, "I don't believe mankind came from Apes." And a rational individual might reply, "I don't either, but I think mankind and apes had a common ancestor." And he would counter with, "There you go again, telling me mankind came from apes. Well, I certainly didn't come from apes." At which point the rational individual can see that any future discussion is pointless, and goes on to other things. "Will you ever understand the difference between religion and abuse of religion?" Ron - I think religion is abuse, especially when applied to young children. |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Jan 08 - 04:13 AM Maybe it would be an idea to distinguish between "philosophy" and "ideology." If a person has a philosophy, the implication seems to be that it is some amount of thought and consideration involved in adopting this way of thinking, even though much of it may not be original thinking. To me, the term "ideology" implies more of a blind acceptance of a code that is completely from an outside source. Some religious people are philosophical, and some are ideological - same goes for non-religious people. In general, ideological people scare me - the philosophical ones don't. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Who Would Jesus Deport? From: M.Ted Date: 17 Jan 08 - 11:25 PM Justification--that's right--a convenient excuse--but dishonest, because it is not the real reason for the act-- |
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Subject: RE: Who/Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Jan 08 - 09:08 PM Rig "Hitler was a Catholic"--like Father Coughlin was. If you've never heard of him, you should remedy that. Will you ever understand the difference between religion and abuse of religion? Silly question--you dare not, since it will destroy your argument. Back to your other fantasy: The question still is--and it's amazing how in all your wonderfully informative postings, you still haven't found time to answer it: Exactly why should any sentient being believe that there is the slightest chance of any group ever returning any part of the US to Mexico? Or perhaps you don't include yourself in the category of "sentient being." That would explain it. But I assure you that we think you show strong signs of being in that category. Please don't shake our faith in you. |
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Subject: RE: Who/Whom/What/When/Where/WhyWouldJesusDeport? From: GUEST,Steve Baughman Date: 17 Jan 08 - 08:01 PM P.S. and how the hell did my thread SUBJECT get edited to where it looks like a joke discussion? Are the Mudcat monitors not on the ball here, or can anyone trash up a topic title any time they want? I'm not around Mudcat much so maybe I"m missing something, but it seems a bit bizarre to me that anybody can come along and edit someone else's work. Grumpy. [Agreed. Perhaps it will now remain as originally composed]
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Subject: RE: Who/Whom/What/When/Where/WhyWouldJesusDeport? From: GUEST,Steve Baughman Date: 17 Jan 08 - 07:57 PM "With due respect Steve, ideology has nothing to do with the violent crimes committed by Atheists in this century. . ." M Ted I disagree. Ideology might or might not MOTIVATE the crime, but it sure is widely used to JUSTIFY it. Proletarian pogroms against Jews were justified by the lingo of class struggle, this was the identical dynamic as of Christian slaveowners and the people of Ham argument in the Old Testament, Islamist fanatics and the Koran's passages about revenge on infidels, Zionist radicals and the Mosaic passages about the land belonging to them, etc etc. Ideology sure is useful when you want to classify your selfish urges as a noble response to the call of some higher duty. What, after all, could be more convenient? |
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Subject: RE: Who/Whom/What/When/Where/WhyWouldJesusDeport? From: Riginslinger Date: 17 Jan 08 - 04:08 PM I think stating the case as "rejoining Mexico" throws the discussion off the track. But I lived in California for 20 years, and a large number of Hispanics I came in contact with there voiced the exact same sentiment that you find on the La Voz de Aztlan website. If you look under MEChA, you will find more than a few chapters. Believe it or not: |
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Subject: RE: Who/Whom/What/When/Where/WhyWouldJesusDeport? From: artbrooks Date: 17 Jan 08 - 03:28 PM Oh, come on Riginslinger - most of us have spent time on college campuses, and you know that you can always come up with at least one nutty prof and a dozen or so students to picket or gather together to support any cause...it beats studying. You can also find a few internet sites that espouse any topic under the sun - the Flat Earth Society is alive and well and on the web. Now, I live in New Mexico, which is one of the four states that border on Northwest Mexico and one of the three that had all or part of its territory seized by the US in the Mexican War of 1846-1848. There are a few Hispanics living here - there are rumors that one of them was even running for President of the United States until a week or so ago. Heck, a few of them even speak Spanish. Do they have any interest at all in rejoining Mexico? Not hardly. |
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Subject: RE: Who/Whom/What/When/Where/WhyWouldJesusDeport? From: M.Ted Date: 17 Jan 08 - 11:26 AM With due respect Steve, ideology has nothing to do with the violent crimes committed by Atheists in this century (genocide, democide, and infanticide, for instance)--any more than religion did in earlier times--as with all crime, it comes down to "means, motive, and opportunity"--if you want to want to "stop the madness", you have to break the triangle-- |
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Subject: RE: Who/Whom/What/When/Where/WhyWouldJesusDeport? From: Riginslinger Date: 17 Jan 08 - 07:56 AM "And in your eagerness to smear religion (again), you seem to have left out Stalin, Mao, and HItler (again)." Ron - I didn't leave out those militant leaders. I never brought them up. But keep in mind, Hitler was a great one to use religion to control the actions of people. He even tried to re-introduce Norse Mythology as a way to get folks to cherish their heritage. Of course, he was a Catholic himself, but... |
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Subject: RE: Who/Whom/What/When/Where/WhyWouldJesusDeport? From: Riginslinger Date: 17 Jan 08 - 07:52 AM "Do you personally believe that there is any significant support among US Hispanics for the idea of returning parts of the US to Mexico?" Ron - Yes! Look at the facts on the ground. In terms of actual numbers, most field workers probably haven't even thought of it. But if you go to college campuses, and look at the political players, yes, they're all over the place. |
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Subject: RE: Who/Whom/What/When/Where/WhyWouldJesusDeport? From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Jan 08 - 07:36 AM "I never suggested force" to achieve this goal. Anything you say. Never mind that "stamping out" entails force. Perhaps you'd like to make the acquaintance of the English language at some point--your education appears to have been neglected. Re-education is better--another of your suggestions--do we need chapter and verse from your collected works? ( Just as in Germany in the 1930's, Vietnam after 1975, etc.) How comforting. And in your eagerness to smear religion (again), you seem to have left out Stalin, Mao, and HItler (again). |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: GUEST,Steve Baughman Date: 17 Jan 08 - 02:19 AM "Stamping out religion is a good idea if we want mankind to move forward and save the planet from destruction. I made it very clear that I wanted the process to be a product of education. I never suggested using force to obtain these ends. I don't think most secularists would want to use force either, looking at the massive destruction that has been caused by religious addicts having used force in the past." Ooh! I like that. I'm on board. Keep in mind, atheists have done a lot of violent things in the last century, and probably will continue to do so. I'd say let's stamp out ideology, let's seek a world where we humbly recognize that we don't know very much, and that those who disagree with us might not be all wrong, and that'll get rid of lots of religion, and militant atheism as well. All aboard??? |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Jan 08 - 12:05 AM Gee, Rig, can't understand how you could have forgotten to actually answer the question. Do you personally believe that there is any significant support among US Hispanics for the idea of returning parts of the US to Mexico? Yes or no? Simple question. Simple answer. Or should I just call you "Mr. Jello"? |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Riginslinger Date: 16 Jan 08 - 11:55 PM Ron - I'll try to make these answers as simple as possible: 1. Obama: I cannot recall bringing up any kind of smear about Senator Obama. I do think the "swift boaters" are still out there, and I'm concerned about what they might do in the general election if he's the candidate. 2. "...the one about Hispanics plotting to return parts of the US to Mexico." These people are out there. I have directed you to their collective websites where they've stated that very thing. They have a significant amount of support. The former Liuetenent Governor of California has announced himself to be a former member of MEChA, and during the course of California's recall election--where he totally abandoned Gray Davis and even ran against him--he refused to dis-associate himself from the organization. 3. Stamping out religion is a good idea if we want mankind to move forward and save the planet from destruction. I made it very clear that I wanted the process to be a product of education. I never suggested using force to obtain these ends. I don't think most secularists would want to use force either, looking at the massive destruction that has been caused by religious addicts having used force in the past. Did you have a chance to check out the link provided in the previous post? |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Jan 08 - 11:24 PM Rig-- You certainly have a smooth MO: bringing up smears and rumors against Obama, Hispanics or any others of your choosing, then claiming to be "just the messenger". Fine, since you're "just the messenger", I'm sure you wouldn't mind making a clear statement that you personally don't believe in these rumors and conspiracy theories--e.g. the one about Hispanics plotting to return parts of the US to Mexico. Do you believe the group allegedly planning this has virtually no support among US Hispanics--yes or no? ( I do realize that trying to get a straight answer out of you bears a strong resemblance to nailing Jello to the wall.) But for a parallel, you might consider that the idea about returning parts of the US to Mexico has as much support among Hispanics as the idea of "stamping out" religion -- (that is, using force to attain this goal)-- has among secularists. |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: bankley Date: 16 Jan 08 - 09:01 AM how about deport everybody, then let the descendants of Crazy Horse and Geronimo decide who gets in ? The Lakota are already in the process of declaring sovereignty.... The real Homeland Security...... fighting terrorism since 1492... and Hey-Zeus can go to Palestine on his comeback tour, maybe help out there.. he wouldn't recognize the place... |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Mr Red Date: 16 Jan 08 - 08:05 AM Amos I didn't know Pontius did Pilates, and here's me thinking he was high up in the Roman Air Force. |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Riginslinger Date: 16 Jan 08 - 08:00 AM Ron - The only conclusion I can come to is, whatever ancient superstition you're addicted to is preventing you from ingesting and evaluating facts and information. By your response, I'm left with the impression that you didn't even follow the link I posted up above. |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Jan 08 - 11:42 PM Rig-- And I'm sorry to have to tell you--again--that links to some splinter group's agenda prove nothing--except that you can link to crackpots on the web. Crackpots, for instance, who might advocate "stamping out" religion, to pick a purely theoretical example. Interesting--people in Oregon have a reputation for being well-educated, aware, tolerant, often liberal. Perhaps there are some exceptions. |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Jan 08 - 11:35 PM Rig-- "...professional help"--still looking in the mirror? You mean to say you do believe in the crackpot conspiracy theory that Hispanics are plotting to give back parts of the US to Mexico?. After all, as I recall, you brought it up. I certainly didn't. Do you believe in it--yes or no? I suppose, that considering the rest of your track record, it's not surprising. Sweet dreams. |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Jan 08 - 01:10 AM Ron - You really need to get some professional help. By the way, did you check out this link? http://blip.tv/file/520347 |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Jan 08 - 12:44 AM . . . hijacked by picky grammarians who are more interested in showing off than discussing. Nah, I think the subject has petered out and we're entertaining ourselves with the myriad leftover bits. (I did see some noun versus the adjective definitions before I posted my remark, but decided the usage, where I encountered on it, was rather on the adjective end of things. And by the way, just because a word was used in a certain way in a certain instance the past doesn't mean it was used correctly in that instance). SRS |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Ron Davies Date: 14 Jan 08 - 10:03 PM Don't worry about Rig's ranting against illegal immigrants. After all, it's not as if he believes anything he says. He brings up the spectre of a Hispanic group pushing for giving back parts of the US to Mexico, then when pushed on it, he denies that he believes there is any meaningful support in the US Hispanic community for this crackpot idea. He says he's against illegal immigration, yet will "happily" vote for Hillary, who is pushing hard for Hispanic votes--and there's no question as to current Hispanic attitudes on punitive action toward illegal immigrants. He doesn't mean anything--he just like to run off at at the mouth. He also can't be expected to make sense--after all, he told us in December he was joining the group trying to draft Lou Dobbs for president. |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Amos Date: 14 Jan 08 - 08:28 PM Whooooo Hah? Ha ha ha whom diddy whom diddy whom Who ba who ba whom diddy whom diddy whom Who ba who ba whom diddy whom didy whom Whoooo waa-waa-waa Say li'l darling Come and go with me Oh say lil darling Come and go with me Oh lil darlin' Come and go with meeee Whom who ba waaaaaa! (Doowopp fades repeating the Eternal Four Chords (C, Am, F and G) perpetually in the background) A |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: GUEST,Steve Baughman Date: 14 Jan 08 - 08:20 PM Ohmigod! (oops, sorry, I mean, "Oh my God!", I raided a serious issue and we've being hijacked by picky grammarians who are more interested in showing off than discussing. As for the whole Jesus thing, this issue is NOT about Jesus. I am, as someone noted above, an atheist, I beleive Jesus is a few zillion pieces of dust floating around the deserts of Palestine. BUT, insofar as many Americans consider the Jesus of the Bible to be their model for good behavior, it is appropriate to ask how he might like his followers to handle immigration to the US. Fair enough? I suspect he'd be pissed at deportation folks. |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Jan 08 - 06:20 PM NEW BUSH COINS I can never make the "blue clicky" link work. |
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Subject: RE: Who/ Whom Would Jesus Deport? From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Jan 08 - 06:06 PM Right. |
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