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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: Bert Date: 05 Jan 07 - 04:53 PM Amos, you shouldn't say 'why invoke' you should say 'what for'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: Jeri Date: 05 Jan 07 - 04:48 PM Some people just feel empowered by pissing in the wind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST Date: 05 Jan 07 - 04:47 PM Giok, the guests today have noticed that you are doing your very best today to try and bait us. Keep up the good work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: John MacKenzie Date: 05 Jan 07 - 04:38 PM It keeps the Guests busy |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: Peace Date: 05 Jan 07 - 04:34 PM If that's the case, then what is the purpose of this thread? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: kendall Date: 05 Jan 07 - 04:23 PM When the dust settles and all opinions are in, the fact remains that this is Max's baby and he will make the changes he deems necessary. Plus, he can not be bullied. Why waste your time pissing against the wind? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: number 6 Date: 05 Jan 07 - 03:33 PM Outstanding Raven! Thanks for that post. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: gnu Date: 05 Jan 07 - 03:08 PM "Censure acquits the raven, but pursues the dove." Excellent!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST,Quoth the Raven Date: 05 Jan 07 - 02:42 PM Words to live by in online flame wars: "I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." "Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves." "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." For Shambles: "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." On forum changes to make things better: "Take care to get what you like or you will be forced to like what you get" For Max's Management Team: "Censure acquits the raven, but pursues the dove." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: number 6 Date: 05 Jan 07 - 01:17 PM Why not. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: Amos Date: 05 Jan 07 - 01:11 PM Acronym Definition WATFIV Waterloo Fortran IV Number6, why invoke th ename of an old computer language? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: Bill D Date: 05 Jan 07 - 01:01 PM "Of course, some of us remember when this was all fields, with just the little Xerox shed over there..." Johnny-come-lately! I remember when there was only 5" floppies, hand delivered or snail-mailed by Dick Greenhaus. ....(for those who complain about 'management'....remember that this is all done by The early shenannigans of .gargoyle and 'The True Conscience of Mudcat' (look it up!) made Max seek help. There are obvious technical issues with being as free & open as possible to allow strangers to drop by and at the same time, controlling spam & hateful and obnoxious postings. No matter WHAT is done, it will be a compromise: "You can please some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time....but...." Mudcat has done an amazing job so far, and when Jeff(Pene Azul) and Max say "it will get better", I am willing to bet it will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: number 6 Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:58 AM WATFIV ??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: JennyO Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:56 AM And we walked twenty miles to the schoolhouse Barefoot, uphill both ways, Through blizzards in summer and winter Back in the good old days. Back when Fortran was not even One-tran And the abacus? Only a toy! And we did our computing in primordial darkness When I was a boy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: number 6 Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:56 AM Geeeeez ..... what if you didn't have a daughter? biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST,Captain Ginger Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:54 AM Pah, in the oral tradition if you wanted a copy you'd let the bard get your daughter pregnant! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: number 6 Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:52 AM I remember hollerith cards getting jammed in the hopper. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: jeffp Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:38 AM In my day, if you wanted a copy, you had to wait for Brother Laurence to get around to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: Emma B Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:35 AM Xerox?? I remember the old Gestetner :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST,Captain Ginger Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:18 AM Of course, some of us remember when this was all fields, with just the little Xerox shed over there... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: katlaughing Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:15 AM Sins, thanks for filling us in. I'd missed that particular *wish* of CH's. Puts things in a much graver light. {{{{{HUGS}}}}}} |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST,General George S. Patton Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:10 AM A goddamned Limey Land Rover. Jesus Christ the sons of bitches Limeys can't even make a godddamned proper Jeep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: John MacKenzie Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:09 AM This was started as an open forum, and the rules were non existent, then it grew, and it attracted idiots who abused the free and open nature of the site. Rules had to be made to deal with the idiots, and as the number of idiots grew so did the rules. One of the biggest idiots is now conducting a self defeating campaign for no deletions or moderation, like it used to be, [apparently]. I can see him as a midwife, busily trying to push a baby back up some poor woman's birth canal. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST,Captain Ginger Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:07 AM From: GUEST,General George S. Patton Oh cripes, the ego has landed! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST,General George S. Patton Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:04 AM Churchill was nothing but a drunken egotistical pussy who couldn't give and never gave a goddamn order in his life. He never won the war and without us Americans there would be no goddamn Britain. Goddamit, in life it's eat or be eaten. Kill or be killed. The British were to kind and couldn't and didn't give orders. All they could do was give goddamned suggestions, that's why they needed us Americans to get the goddamned war finished. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST,Captain Ginger Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:59 AM Oh, and Max, while you're about it, I want a 1991 300TDi Land Rover defender 90. Good condition, mind, and no rust on the chassis or bulkhead. Ideally in grey. With a winch. And be quick about it! No shilly-shallying trying to earn a living to feed the youngsters or any of that woolly liberal nonsense. Come on, I'm waiting....(taps foot in irritation). *tsk* it really does seem that you get what you pay for round here, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: Emma B Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:57 AM OK this is factual and probably too boring as opposed to the easy "sound bite" government by cabinet The UK was, during the period 1939-45 governed by a cabinet led from 1940 onwards by Churchill as Prime Minister. "In theory, Britain has a Cabinet government. This according to current constitutional theory, is where the Cabinet meets as a body to discuss issues relevant to the country. It discusses various points of view, weighs up arguments concerning whatever is being discussed and comes to a decision that is backed by the majority of the Cabinet. As such it becomes government policy, if supported in the House of Commons, and has the legitimacy of majority Cabinet support behind it. This means that decisions have collective responsibility behind them" Churchill and his deputy Attlee and the other members of the war cabinet "won the war" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:56 AM Good, make a point about the messenger so no one gets the message jeff. Typical Official Mudcat Response (tm). |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:53 AM The argument that maintaining "GUEST, as a category for posting encourages people to post music stuff, which they otherwise might not," has always seemed to me to be a rationalization because Max will not change to a permanent identifying system for log-ons, as most mudcatters have been requesting for many, many years. Max could solve all arguments related to the problems with GUEST. People with an edit button, including the Chief, can not solve problems related to GUEST except by deletions or changes, which causes more problems of a different nature. They have not been given any real power to fix the milieu. Thus it continues. Joe, you can make temporary changes forever, but until Max gives you real power to effect the milieu by giving you the power to change to a permanent log-in system, your fixes are bandaids. I think it is very unfortunate that Max will not do it or let you do it. How else can we make Max realize he must change to a permanent log-in system? Until Max steps up to the plate on this it will not change. Max, when are you going to change to a permanent log in system? The time is over for personal freedom on this site. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: MMario Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:52 AM You know you have a shitty forum, when there is no legitimate process through which complaints about management can be addressed and resolved. there is one. You start with individual communication with Joe - and continue with Max if not satisfied. As has been outlined before and as I believe is in the FAQ On most forums *ANY* discussion of moderation or how the forum is run is banned and deleted immediately. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: jeffp Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:49 AM But for some reason, you seem to spend a lot of time here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:47 AM But the biggest bullies here are management! They set the tone! And in this forum, they are constantly being abusive, engage in name calling, petty power tripping (the censorship, closing theads, attacking posters, and generally abusing their power), and other over the top behavior for moderators. Not only that, but their paranoid, super secret, only we have a decoder ring crap is infantile. In well moderated forums (which this one isn't), the moderators are not the thinnest skinned bullies on the block, like they are here, there is a clear, simple set of rules of behavior which are consistently enforced without personalities getting in the way. But as someone always points out, ultimately this is Max's website, so he chooses how the forum is run, what gets tolerated, who the moderators are, etc. This forum reflects the kind of person Max is, because he is the one responsible for it. Joe and the clones are merely the henchmen he hides behind. But this place won't "grow up" because Max doesn't want it to. Hence, this forum's perpetual adolescent tone and ambiance. You know you have a shitty forum, when there is no legitimate process through which complaints about management can be addressed and resolved. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: kendall Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:39 AM And without Churchill there might not have been a peace, or a Britain. I must admit, I wasn't aware of Mr. Atlee's accomplishments. Thanks for the information.Apparently Churchill had a bit of ego too. "The truth is incontrovertible.Panic may resent it, Ignorance may deride it, Malice may distort it, But, there it is." (Winston Churchill) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST,Winston Churchill Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:36 AM "some chicken, some neck". He he. *cough*. I'll think I'll have a drink to that myself. Where's my bottle of Hines? *cough* Who stole my bloody, damned bottle of Hines! *cough* Goddamit! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: Emma B Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:18 AM "Only two Prime Ministers since 1945 have radically changed the way we live in Britain: Clement Attlee and Margaret Thatcher. Of the two, Attlee's changes were possibly the more remarkable as he took Britain into uncharted territory. Attlee's Government created the Welfare State we know today. It nationalised one fifth of Britain's economy and found the money from a war-devastated economy to build new schools and expand higher education. Yet most people think that the man who achieved all this was a grey, uninspiring figure - passionless and uninteresting. In the words of Churchill he was a 'modest little man with plenty to be modest about'. This biography shows us a new and unfamiliar Clem Attlee - neither modest nor with anything to be modest about - perhaps the most competent and professional Prime Minister Britain has had." from a new biography - Churchill may have headed a war cabinet but Attlee truly won the peace! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: kendall Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:10 AM I mis spoke, Churchill was talking about Clement Atlee, not Anthony Eden. He also referred to him as a sheep in sheep's clothing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: freda underhill Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:10 AM that is a brave and kind post Sinsull. It brings back the reality that all this was not about battling egos, it was about a bully who picked on vulnerable people. It's hard for most of us to see what has happened, or to understand why. There's a difference between being frank and harassing someone. No one should put up with harassment and people who confront harassers should be supported. The people that monitor this site see a lot more than we do. Some catters have learnt the hard way that the people here have good reasons for the decisions they take. freda |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: SINSULL Date: 05 Jan 07 - 09:23 AM I have stayed out of this mainly because Ch became a non-person to me about a year ago. I refuse to acknowledge his posts. This was not always the case. Look back and you will see that he was invited to my Song Circles and offered the same bed and hot breakfast Seamus and Kendall and everyone else is offered. Then he chose to become a Martin Gibson wannabe. He failed at it mainly because when confronted with his obnoxious behavior he fell apart. I had enough when he wished cancer on Kendall. Some of you know that I provide transportation and moral support and have been doing so for years. It has been very difficult. Kendall is my closest friend and I love him dearly.I never said much about how I was doing during his illness - I wasn't the patient. But when CH cursed Kendall with more cancer I literally broke down and cried. I understand the effectiveness of prayer and I fear the power of a curse. If you would like to discuss this with me or ridicule the concept, please use PM. When I had calmed down I chose to confront CH in the chat room and make my feelings clear. I did not want to give him the opportunity to come back with some brilliant retort like "You're an asshole and I don't care what you think. This is the internet.' Some of you were in the chat room when I told him exactly what he was and why. First he told me it was none of my business. Then he lied and said he didn't know Kendall had cancer. (He had posted good wishes on Kendall threads). Then he turned to the group for help. Many of them were PMing me with encouragment. My personal estimation of him is that he is an ineffectual little man who plays the foul mouthed bully and true to form whines when he is outed. I wish Kendall had not gone for the bait but I also wish he had been kicked out of here sooner. Mary, who never posts as GUEST except once when I was teasing Kendall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST Date: 05 Jan 07 - 09:22 AM Why are Shambles rants allowed to remain in this thread? That's what his own thread is for. It really is disgusting how he is allowed to bash the ownership and management of this wonderful site. I don't know of any other web site where that would be allowed. No that MG and CH are gone how about finishing Max's request and banishing Shambles...or at least editing out all negative attitudes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST,jOhn Date: 05 Jan 07 - 09:20 AM Waht all this is about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: Jeri Date: 05 Jan 07 - 09:12 AM Probably because you wanted to use the name 'Khan'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: Rapparee Date: 05 Jan 07 - 09:02 AM Hey, Cap'n -- I've got it, love it, and I'm depraved. Does that count? And I sometimes use "yclept." Perfectly good word. Of course, I also use "sooth" "whoremonger" "Gadzooks!" "'Sblood" and others. And I'm not in the SCA because they wouldn't let me be a leper. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: The Shambles Date: 05 Jan 07 - 08:59 AM Not sure about any sort of crack down - but reading some of this certainly cracks me up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: kendall Date: 05 Jan 07 - 08:16 AM I wish I'd never started this thread. Maybe Joe will delete it. Hey Art, I was just listening to your CD "Chicago and points west" great stuff man. Anyone who doesn't have this is being deprived. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: kendall Date: 05 Jan 07 - 08:07 AM I dare say all performers have some ego, otherwise they wouldn't get up on a stage at all. On the other hand there are snipers who hide behind *Guest* and lack the guts to use a name. That's one thing I appreciated about Clinton, at least he wasn't a coward. If you have a problem with someone's ego, remember this story about one of my favorite characters: Someone told Winston Churchill that Anthony Eden was a modest man. W.C. replied "He has much to be modest about." So, which of these men is most respected? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: jacqui.c Date: 05 Jan 07 - 08:01 AM Captain Ginger - many people, including me, have tried to get through to Shambles with logic and reason. It doesn't work. I would suggest not banging your head against that particular wall. It only leads to major frustration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST,Captain Ginger Date: 05 Jan 07 - 07:55 AM Steady on, old chap - impugning Joe Offer's honour (and I shall refrain from the old joke punchline about '...and all night he was on 'er and off 'er!' Oops, it just slipped out, as the bishop said to the...sorry) would seem to me to come pretty close to a personal attack. So, for the record, you're now calling Joe a liar? That's not very nice, is it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: The Shambles Date: 05 Jan 07 - 07:29 AM Shambles, ol' boy, did you not read Joe's post: Anonymous complaints and complaints posted in the Forum are ignored.? The current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team will certainly assure our forum of many things and over the years has made many such assurances. Time and his own words have demonstrated that it would not be very wise for posters on our forum to accept or expect that partucular assurance given by him to be honoured - any more than it would be for them to expect any of the many others to be honoured. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: John MacKenzie Date: 05 Jan 07 - 06:47 AM That's him Captain G, pompous and histrionic. A palpable hit, a veritable bullseye even! Chairman G. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The crack down From: GUEST,Captain Ginger Date: 05 Jan 07 - 06:40 AM Shambles, ol' boy, did you not read Joe's post: Anonymous complaints and complaints posted in the Forum are ignored.? Why don't you just drop him, Joe and Max an email. A 'formal request' (of whom, by the way?) is a rather pompous, histrionic thing, don't you think? |
