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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: theleveller Date: 10 Mar 11 - 03:16 AM What is it you're laughing at Bozo - vulnerable people being denied the support they need - or is it just your usual mindless demented giggling.? Come on, do tell so we can all join in the joke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Bonzo3legs Date: 09 Mar 11 - 12:22 PM I laugh!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: theleveller Date: 09 Mar 11 - 04:00 AM My goodness, are you all still here? Well, here's a bulletin from the real world. While Cameron and his poodle, Clegg, are running around cocking up everything they touch (notably our foreign 'policy'), sucking up to complete arsehole and paedophile supporter, Andy Windsor, and the Cabinet appears to be falling apart around their ears, here's what's going on right now in just a few areas that I happen to personally know about. Adult Education - funding axed. Lifelong Learning – funding axed Back-to-work schemes – funding axed Job creation schemes – funding axed Mental health provision and support – funding axed Day centres – funding axed Police pay – about to be cut Police numbers – already being cut Police shifts – increased from 8 hours to 12 hours Police rest days – chopped Police pension provision - devastated Victim support – funding axed It's now being left to charitable organisations, like the Worker's Education Association, who mrsleveller works for, to try to pick up the pieces (despite their own funding cuts) and try to stop our society from falling apart. As we always expected, it's the most vulnerable in society who are bearing the brunt of cuts, while millionaire bankers, who caused the financial crisis in the first place, continue to be rewarded with obscene salaries and bonuses. Big Society my arse – biggest load of crap I've ever heard in my life. Disintegrating Society more like. So to all those right-wing, head-in-the-sand, selfish, blinkered, I'm-alright-Jack, Condem supporters, this is what you approve of, is it? Everyone who is too old or too ill to work or who, with unemployment topping two and a half million, simply can't find work, is a scrounger, are they – unlike you who have raped society with your greed and taken 40% handouts in tax relief on your pension contributions. Maybe when you get old, get ill, get mugged or get made redundant you might just change your minds. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Smokey. Date: 08 Mar 11 - 08:11 PM "At what point the public are going to realise that they are all bullshit artists, I don't know. I don't expect it in my lifetime." Take heart, Alan - two thirds of Barnsley seem to realise it, though I don't suppose that will stem the relentless flow of bullshit. As a great man once said: "If you must put people on pedestals, wear a big hat." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richard Bridge Date: 08 Mar 11 - 06:13 PM Ah yes. Those who take out more than they put in. Like bankers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 08 Mar 11 - 04:42 PM What would be really interesting is the mental state people reach, before they decide they are right about these difficult issues. That's what I think was the real giveaway with Sir Alan Walters. He was so sure he was right - even as terrible irreparable harm was being done to the social fabric of the country. The trouble with politics and democracy to some extent - is that we are continually being sold simplistic answers to complicated problems. Blair was going to solve the country's illiteracy problems (which in my opinion lie at the heart of many other problems) - how was he going to do it....PHONICS. Like trained teachers have never heard of phonic reading systems.....! Thatcher was going to solve all our union problems with 'free collective bargaining'. Arthur Scargil found out how free that was. Politicians are like salesmen who have somehow started to believe their own phoney catchphrases. At what point the public are going to realise that they are all bullshit artists, I don't know. I don't expect it in my lifetime. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Smokey. Date: 08 Mar 11 - 03:49 PM People living on benefits don't drain anything like as much from the system as those in tax-paying but non-productive full time employment. The public sector is paid from tax payers' money, so any tax they pay doesn't really contribute anything to the economy. Some of those in the public sector make a valuable contribution to society with what they do, and some don't, but they all cost money and use resources, and the public sector is now bigger than the private sector. The majority of the private sector is occupied with servicing the public sector rather than producing goods for export and the majority of people in general spend more on imported goods, often unnecessary, than on goods produced here. Also, the majority of people live in perpetual debt created from 'money' which never actually existed in the first place. I forget the overall amount of this debt, but it's mind bogglingly large - without even including mortgage debt. Naturally, that devalues whatever was there in the first place just the same as printing more hard cash would; it's just slightly more subtle. There is little wonder that we are up Shit Creek, but it's by no means the fault of the unemployed or the so-called 'benefit scroungers' - their financial effect is negligable. It seems to me that the only sector now making a significant contribution to the economy is the very rich, who actually still have enough real money left to do so. It's their contribution which is keeping us afloat, or at least slowing down the process of sinking enough (perhaps) to do something about it. I say all this as an observation, not a judgement or endorsement of anyone or anything. The only judgement I would make is on the team of |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: MikeL2 Date: 08 Mar 11 - 02:57 PM Hi I agree with Will. It is easy to accuse people of being scroungers etc etc but identifying the real ones and then dealing with them properly is something that both governments have tried over many years. most of the scroungers are very adept at obtaining benefits illegally and detecting them is very difficult. Cheers MikeL2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Will Fly Date: 08 Mar 11 - 02:19 PM Numbers please - let's have some hard facts - and not some just culled from the Daily Mail. Real scale of the problem? Have you been reading about the furore over the latest disability tests - run just on a computer by a French firm? Very recently ondemned by an investigative group of MPs. Typical example: man is judged as "having some sight problems but is fit to work". The man is blind. Typical example: man has terminal multiple sclerosis - totally incapacitated - judged "fit for work". These are two single examples of a government system not working. So - think on this: Before you start applauding systems and measures to deal with the "scum", be aware who exactly the "scum" are and what the real problems are. You never know - at some point in time they might be your own nearest and dearest. This is neither a left-wing nor a right-wing point of view. It's the point of view of someone who's had extensive dealings with government agencies through Labour and Conservative regimes - particularly on the governmental, statistical front - and I can tell you that I'm bloody well unimpressed with their common sense and their capacity to do things properly and justly. And there's no evidence, so far that, for all his posturing - just like Blair's posturing - Cameron has any ability to think clearly about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: DMcG Date: 08 Mar 11 - 01:54 PM I'm sure he or she is, and I don't deny there are many abuses of the system. But I can't help feeling there are far more profitable and easier ways of getting money out of the system than having a child. I suspect, for example, that a goodly proportion are for children they either don't have at all or share parenting with an ex-partner, or similar tricks to claim multiple times for the same child. All very reprehensable and illegal, of course, but a far cry from this daily-mailesque picture of hundreds of people having children specially to exploit the system (and, yes, I do know about the housing rules and how having a child bumps you up the queue) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Bonzo3legs Date: 08 Mar 11 - 01:36 PM A neighbour works in Child Tax Credit investigations and is kept very busy looking at countless fraudulent claims from the type of scum that David Cameron will come down hard upon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 08 Mar 11 - 12:21 PM Sorry, meant to say hostel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 08 Mar 11 - 11:49 AM No shortage of critics of the Conservative/Liberal Government here, so what is it you are actually saying, do you want a Labour Government to run the country into the ground again ????? What I want David to do is come down hard on benefit scroungers. No one here can honestly say that the current system is fair. Young couples in full time employment pay for childcare, their mortgage or rent and every other bill that comes in. There are numerous workshy couples lying up on their ass all day milking the system and breeding what they refer to as "beer tokens" The government must come down hard on them. Then you have the so called single mothers (I call them something very different) there is no way they should get a house paid for by the taxpayer, either go live in a hostile or let their mothers and fathers maintain them. It is a profession these days, young girls see the benefits that are available and go out to get knocked up. I'm sick and tired of hearing about families living off benefits who complain, "Oh we want this and we want that!!" You're getting money for sitting at home on your backsides for doing sweet eff all when others like me worked all of our lives to support the likes of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Bonzo3legs Date: 08 Mar 11 - 11:33 AM Possibly, my wife spoke to a friend this morning who lives 5 minutes walk away near a park with a wooded area, and they are inundated with foxes at the moment!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Will Fly Date: 08 Mar 11 - 10:19 AM Ah - so they're locked in to that particular patch! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Bonzo3legs Date: 08 Mar 11 - 09:34 AM There are fields within 400 yards of our house in Surrey, but we are on a fox run. 3 years ago a family of 4 cubs lived under decking in the garden next door. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Will Fly Date: 08 Mar 11 - 08:53 AM Is it an urban fox? What I mean is - are you in an urban or suburban area with no fields to hand? We get foxes aplenty down here in Sussex - they even trot slowly and boldly down the road - but the road's a cul-de-sac and ends in miles of fields. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Bonzo3legs Date: 08 Mar 11 - 07:54 AM What is worrying me far more is the frequent appearance in our back garden of a pregnant fox who is looking for a space to give birth, and had a fight with 3 legged Bonzo this morning. My wife, a Northlands girl, yelled at it and made it run away! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 08 Mar 11 - 04:15 AM Dave, Ed, Nick.....they're the lo-cal option. the zero calorie men. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richard Bridge Date: 08 Mar 11 - 03:48 AM Hmm - a worrying collection of likes! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 08 Mar 11 - 03:29 AM Yeh, I know what you mean. Both Dave and Ed seem a bit lightweight. what was it Geoffrey howe said, 'in office, but not really in power'. Dave seems unsure what to do, and Ed seems unsure on what front to attack. say what you like about wilson, heath and macMillan - they all looked like politicians, and sounded like them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: GUEST,Patsy Date: 07 Mar 11 - 07:55 AM I really must get back to Specsavers at first glance at the subject title I saw Condoms get a kicking in Barnsley! David has shown us he is a great leader? He has only been there for 5 minutes anyone can make effective speeches that fall on the ears of some of the bigots already in this country, I could do that. Fighting talk now regarding Gadaffi now it seems. Whatever happens he will make sure he gets the credit for it you mark my words he will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Will Fly Date: 07 Mar 11 - 07:21 AM David Cameron has just made a great speech in which he told us that those leeches that live off benefits are his target. He also addressed immigration and teaching British history in our schools. David has shown us he is a great leader. This had me giggling when I first read it, but it's actually quite an interesting statement. Here we have a politician at a party conference, surrounded by the party faithful, neatly ticking the boxes which represent the concerns and comfort zones of the party faithful. And this is your definition of what constitutes a "great leader"? I think it demonstrates - regardless of what political side you lean to - an overwhelming naivete on your part. Great Leaders, if such people really existed, are as rare as hens teeth, certainly in this century. Cameron and Miliband and their ilk don't even come up to the ankles of people like Churchill and Attlee - and they were by no means perfect. Do get some perspective - my dear man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 07 Mar 11 - 07:18 AM Well thankyou for sharing your honest thoughts with us Richie. Lets hope you're right and he sets a precedent and does a decent job - after all its in everybody's interest. Having said that - I think he's a bit dopey. I don't agree with his nasty attitude to prince Andrew. there has always needed to be route into the palace for scoundrels like the Ceacescus and the Ribbentropps and now this Gadaffi bloke. i daresy when the price of oil goes through the ceiling, he will gain some insight into what randy Andy was trying to achieve. No use sending in the famous Five for that sort of gig. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 07 Mar 11 - 06:07 AM As I say, he is the party leader and I support him. As PM I honestly think he will do a good job. Just leave it at that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: theleveller Date: 07 Mar 11 - 05:36 AM "My dear man," LOL!!!!!!!!! "our party leader is currently running the country" ....and has demonstrated his total inability to do so yet again with the fiasco of sending the SAS to Libya. How much egg can one person manage to plaster onto his face? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 07 Mar 11 - 05:26 AM Keep sneering away whilst folks are suffering, like Peter Lillie did with unfunny Gilbert and Sullivan impressions at the party conference, and dave's card will be marked - people will get very pissed off, very soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 07 Mar 11 - 04:35 AM He is still the PM ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: GUEST Date: 07 Mar 11 - 04:31 AM '"My beloved party" is actually in government, and our party leader is currently running the country' Yes indeed Cameron of Lochiel is there with the rats in Downng street. However unlike Mrs T, he cannot win outright an election with 38% of the vote. So keep pissing people off. And soon people will remember just what it is they hated about conservatives. last time poor John Major had to start cleaning up the shit, all her and Tebbits stupid rhetoric caused. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 07 Mar 11 - 03:54 AM My dear man, "My beloved party" is actually in government, and our party leader is currently running the country. One really should try to keep up to date with current affairs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: theleveller Date: 07 Mar 11 - 03:23 AM "This Richie Black really strikes me as a troublemaker, deliberately egging people on and then standing back and laughing his fool head off. He really needs to be ignored." Aw, don't be a spoilsport. It's such good fun baiting Blackshirt and Bozo and watching them blowing and blustering and trying to come up with excuses and smokescreens to hide the fact that their beloved political parties were not only defeated but wiped off the political map. You could actually feel sorry for them......if is wasn't so hilarious :0 "can't say I've ever come across a decent conservative MP" I've had quite a bit of contact with our local MP, David Davies, and, to be fair, he has always had the courtesy to give detailed replies and, on one occasion, sort out a difficult situation for me. Yes, I know that's what MPs are supposed to do but quite a lot just can't be arsed. Our local UKIP MEP, Godfrey Bloom, on the other hand, is an arrogant buffoon who doesn't give a toss about the people he represents. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: BTNG Date: 06 Mar 11 - 06:34 PM This Richie Black really strikes me as a troublemaker, deliberately egging people on and then standing back and laughing his fool head off. He really needs to be ignored. I have no particular political axe to grind either to the right or to the left. I voted, yes. How did I vote? Well that's the joy of the secret ballot isn't it? Have a lovely week all...ahhh two more years and I can retire, thank God! BTNG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richard Bridge Date: 06 Mar 11 - 04:07 PM I've had a fair bit of political contact over the years and can't say I've ever come across a decent conservative MP. Alexander Stockton was not too bad, but he was a peer. Some of the conservative peers who opposed the Licensing Act were not too bad either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 06 Mar 11 - 04:01 PM Actually Richie, there are some bloody good blokes who are conservative MPs. Basically its the ones with your sort of triumphalist, shameless and generally full of shit attitude that will lead them into the wilderness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 06 Mar 11 - 03:19 PM Oh dear, some people think only their political opinions count. Labour had their shot and screwed the country. The current government is doing a sterling job sorting out Labours mess. Please accept it and by the way, watch your blood pressure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 06 Mar 11 - 03:11 PM Spring conference? is it spring already. Where I am it still feels like bloody winter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: theleveller Date: 06 Mar 11 - 02:45 PM Interesting that Blackie Blackshirt seems to spend his time watching old children's programmes and Bozo just wants to talk about what he had for lunch (which, in reality, was most probably a Pot Noodle in his Croyden bedsit). Ah well, little things please little minds. What a pair of sad sacks. Go away a play quietly now and let the adults have a proper discussion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Mar 11 - 02:19 PM There are some decent Conservatives to be found. They must find the likes of Mr Black pretty trying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: GUEST,mauvepink Date: 06 Mar 11 - 02:11 PM I had been ignoring this thread, since I assumed that it was about male contraceptives. I'd say politics, especially someone else's, is even worse. They do have female condems (sic) too ya know? lol I wish they could invent a condom that protected us from political diseases. At least with a condom, male or female, there could be an intimation of some pleasure yet to come. With a ConDem no such thing is iminent unless you happen to be rich :-( mp |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Bonzo3legs Date: 06 Mar 11 - 12:15 PM Afternoon actually, we went to the Barabara Dickson concert in the evening! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 06 Mar 11 - 10:38 AM Hope you both had a wonderful evening. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Bonzo3legs Date: 06 Mar 11 - 10:31 AM That's what wives are for, Bonzo! Anyway - was the tapas really superb? None of the tapas places I've been to in this country really match up to the ones I've been to in, say, Barcelona. Yes it was, good helpings and very very Spanish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 06 Mar 11 - 10:00 AM Sorry Guest, these type of little guest posts are just not allowed here. Bye bye old boy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 06 Mar 11 - 09:29 AM Here at Spring conference in Cardiff. David Cameron has just made a great speech in which he told us that those leeches that live off benefits are his target. He also addressed immigration and teaching British history in our schools. David has shown us he is a great leader. Having a wonderful time here folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Will Fly Date: 06 Mar 11 - 08:49 AM That's what wives are for, Bonzo! Anyway - was the tapas really superb? None of the tapas places I've been to in this country really match up to the ones I've been to in, say, Barcelona. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Bonzo3legs Date: 06 Mar 11 - 08:34 AM "Oh, and by the way, the restaurant's name is Galicia." Yes, my wife has already told me off for that!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Will Fly Date: 06 Mar 11 - 08:27 AM I've been reading it from time to time, out of curiosity only - most political threads eventually turn boringly partisan. I usually just giggle at the odd bits of pomposity I come across - but if the balloon's big enough, I can't resist the occasional temptation to reach for a pin. Anyway, Silas - Belgian tapas - there's a thought! Perhaps a bit like those "real" Italian pizzas made by that lovely Dr. Oetker... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: artbrooks Date: 06 Mar 11 - 08:13 AM I had been ignoring this thread, since I assumed that it was about male contraceptives. I'd say politics, especially someone else's, is even worse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: GUEST,Silas Date: 06 Mar 11 - 07:52 AM Oi! Don't you get knocking Belgian tapas... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condems get a kicking in Barnsley From: Will Fly Date: 06 Mar 11 - 07:06 AM just had a superb Spanish Tapas lunch at Gallicia in Croydon. We're off later to see Barbara Dickson OBE at the Queen Elizabeth Hall. Well, that's all right then. The level of political engagement and intellectual debate has now increased exponentially. Glad to hear the Tapas was Spanish - as opposed to, say, Belgian. Oh, and by the way, the restaurant's name is Galicia. |
