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From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 04:04 AM

Apart from his obvious ability which has made him one of our best ever, the great thing about Beckham is that he puts everything into his game. His new bosses can look forward to 110% commitment on and off the field, all done in an understated, almost self-effacing way which I think does him credit.

Many people try to put him down as being thick, well;

1) He's done pretty well for a thicko

2) Since when was being thick a crime?

3) What do you suggest he does about his thickness?

Or is it just a bit of jealousy perhaps.

cheers, Terry

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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 03:59 PM

Thanks Jeff. There are often errors in the press and it is very easy to accept what they tell us. I appreciate your note.

Strollin Johnny' - as I said, I do agree with you that it is a lifelong disease and no one is every truly "cured" - but it is a disease that people CAN live with provided they get the right help and that they want to help themselves. It is an extremely difficult disease to battle, but it can. I feel that the true heroes are the people who overcome their dependance and live productive lifes.   Therefore, I find it repulsive when I hear people simply write things off as "it is just the disease". Tell that to the person whose lives have been forever ruined by a drunk driver. Help is available and people can overcome it. The disease cannot be treated as an excuse for behavior.

In this country we can point to outstanding sports figures such as Joe Namath, Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry. Promise unfullfilled because they weren't strong enough to fight the demons and disease. I find it heard to pity them.   While their fame and fortune exposed them to more temptation than the rest of us, the same fame and fortune could have bought them help that they needed.

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From: ard mhacha
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 03:46 PM

Paul Burke, I have played Gaelic football a game of great skill, there is nothing mad about it, and as for Hurling the worlds greatest field sport, ask Seamus Kennedy who played in Croke Park, capacity 80,000 regarded as he finest stadium in Europe.

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From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 03:43 PM

WFDU - Ron Olesko. I stand corrected you are of course correct in the age of 31. The Sun newspaper had his age of 34 earlier this week.

Jeff

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From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 03:39 PM

Thanks Ron, I appreciate your last post.

BUT - an alcoholic (or any other kind of addict for that matter) can never be cured, once an addict always an addict, it's a lifetime illness. There's no cure for addiction, only treatment for the physical effects and education on how to control and live with it. That's the nature of the beast.

You're right that George displayed his many problems in public too many times, but I'd bet my pension that they all were the result of his personal demon, alcohol.

He was loved and admired by those who knew him, despite his alcohol-fuelled periods of madness, because he was, at heart, a genuinely nice guy - charming and full of humour and bonhomie - and quite simply the greatest player these islands have ever produced. If anyone ever doubted it, the huge crowds who lined the roads at his funeral bore testament. George Bush won't get as many when they put him under the sod!
S:0)

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From: Alice
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 01:58 PM

Headlines today.. Scientology is trying to lure the Beckhams into the cult, big move to L.A.
I scanned this thread to see if it had already been mentioned. Forget sports, the cult is out for any celebrity they can get under their control... if you are famous, they go after you for the big name influence.

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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 11:54 AM

Let's try some math Guest.   David Beckham was born on May 2, 1975. You feel that makes him 34?   My calendar says January 2007.

Is there some odd sort of math being used in Europe that we do not know about?

Den & Strollin Johnny, I apologize for calling Best a drunk. That was uncalled for and I should never have used that word.    I never put Beckham in the same catagory as Best or Pele. The point I was replying to was that someone said Pele came to the United States and failed.   They also mentioned Best, and it was true - Best had no impact on the U.S. game. He was an alcholic and he had no interest in pursuing soccer.

While alcoholism is a disease, it can be cured. Perhaps cured is the wrong word too since you are always going to be an alcholic. I do not feel that writing it off to "disease" says enough. There are many people who have been helped because they have the fortitude and support system to recover. Best had more problems than just alcohol.

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From: alanabit
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 06:29 AM

I wish Beckham well. He muffed a couple of penalties for England. He also put a few important ones away. In the game against Ecuador in the last World Cup, he literally played his guts out - and his goal saved England. That was not the only time it happened. None of the greats performed brilliantly every time they went out. Beckham had more good days than most. In ten or twenty years time, English football fans will be mourning the fact that we have not got another Beckham. Good luck to the man in whatever he does now.

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From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 06:29 AM

Rugby football is the real mans game..Rugby Union rather than league. I have played both for County Police teams (back in the middle ages) and enjoyed both....as someone said...whatever floats your boat.

EBBIE I was talking about Beckhams pee earning him more than a months wages of mine when I worked.....How could him peeing be more entertaining? Again, perhaps whatever floats your boat eh? ROFLOL.

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From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 06:22 AM

Den no point in answering WFDU - Ron Olesko he can't even get Beckhams age right ! He's 34 not 31.

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From: Slag
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 03:41 AM

Pick up the pace of that "Stroll" Johnny!

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From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 03:29 AM

Both games have their own charms, Slag. Which is best depends on what floats yer boat. Showbizz and Razamatazz - go for American Football. Athleticism and sporting prowess - make for the Soccer stadium. Some people like, and watch, both - great, no problem. We like Soccer best over here, I suspect because it's what we're brought up with, and I guess it'll always be the case that Americans prefer American Football for that very same reason.

Now if we're moving on to a discussion of the greatness of different sports - what about Cricket, surely THE GREATEST of them all, and hugely superior to that girlie-game baseball?

S:0)(Ducking and running)

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From: Slag
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 03:02 AM

Guys that couldn't make it on the football team sometimes went and played soccer. It was pretty much a girls' game when I was in highschool. When we heard that there were actually professional soccer players we could hardly believe it! Soccer??? And they called it football! No helmet, no pads, no face guard, no tackling, blocking, what the hell kinda game was that? After we came to know the game a little better it seemed like the real action was in the spectators' section. Now there was a nice bit of sports violence. The soccer fans were in need of helmets, pads, face masks, etc., not to mention fire extinguishers and defibrulators. Hey, maybe there was something to this game after all.

Ok. Now that you Europeans and other worldly persons are all in a lather, I have to tell you this. Several times I have sat with a stopwatch and timed the actual playtime in an American football game and it always comes out to about fifteen minutes whistle to whistle. If the defensive and offensive teams split the time that means each player who is in the game for most every play had about 7 and 1/2 minutes of real play time. When you consider that there are special teams that come on in certain circunstances it's even less time. In soccer or what you all call football the action is pretty much nonstop and I know that the degree of athleticism required puts American footballers to shame. Beckham may be what this country needs to turn some attention to this worthy sport!

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From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 01:33 AM

Ron, George Best is the finest example anyone could use to demonstrate to young people the dangers of alcohol. He was simply the finest player of his generation, not just in the UK but in the world, who never fully achieved his potential because of his slide into addiction which began at a very early age.

Booze stole a giant away from sport. We shouldn't denigrate the man just because of an illness, we should be very sad indeed. I know I am.

S:0)

BTW - yep, I know all about football and 'football', I wuz just 'aving a larf! :-) :-)

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From: Den
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 11:48 PM

Ron, I take exception to your remarks. George Best was an alcoholic. Its a disease Ron with dire consequences. Best was one of the most gifted players of his generation. Pele even said that Best was the Best. Good God no serious student of the game would even consider Beckham and Best in the same sentence, all national allegiance's
aside. While you're at it check out this goal. Don't hold your breath on Beckham ever doing anything like this.

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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 09:36 PM

He is 31 and not past it. Pete did not fail. The states succeeded when Pele arrived because the league was successful for several years and it started interest in soccer - as witnessed by the fact that youth soccer is as prominent as Little League baseball, the MLS is succeeding, and soccer is alive and well.

Best did not "try" the states - he was a drunk looking for a good time and did not care one bit about soccer. Loser.

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From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 08:45 PM

Beckham is done. He is 34 and past it. Pele tried the States and failed, Best tried the States and failed so how could Beckham be any different ? He is told what country he is going to live in by that boneyard he was unlucky enough to get stuck with.

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From: gnu
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 02:23 PM

Well, I would guess that soccer (sorry) will "equal" the other sports in NA within the next twenty years. No, it will never displace them, and why should it, or vice versa? However, it may eventually overtake the other sports in pure money.... let's face it, Yanks and Canucks like football (sorry) while the rest of the world likes Rugby. Baseball - Cricket. Squash - Raquetball (yech!). But, Yankee football, Hurling, Aussie rules, lawn bowling, curling.... will live on in their own "venues".

The only game that will never be equalled, in money or passion, the true game of the rich... war.

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From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 02:02 PM

Yes there is a good speech therapist in LA. Just what the clown needs.
As for that scare crow of a wife, well he has been caught shagging in two other continents by her, so may as well go for the hat trick because she can't afford to off load him as fame would go too. British export at it's finest.

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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 01:57 PM

Thanks Den. When you mentioned "brand awareness" I thought you were looking at that over his athletic skills.

Yes, people are more aware of Beckham because of the advertisments and the "Bend it" film, and his marriage to Posh.   There are probably a lot of American atheletes who have the same issue - they sign advertising deals and become well known for that, but many people may never have seen them play a game. Most people know George Foreman was a boxer, but I would bet most people who see him selling his grills today never saw him throw a punch.

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From: Den
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 01:34 PM

Ron you did indeed read me wrong. I was speaking of brand awareness. I think people in the US will be aware of Beckham not neccesarily because of football. I think too in the grand scheme that he will be good for raising the brand of the game.

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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 01:26 PM

"He has an amazing brand internationally and that's something that Americans understand. "

Doesn't everyone understand that?

I might not be reading your comment correctly, but I think you fail to understand American sports fans. If a player is an underachiever, they will be destroyed. American sports fans show little mercy when they see someone dogging it.   

Beckham has a well recognized name in the states, and a good reputation. He has to show us what he is capable of in order to keep it.

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From: Den
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 01:21 PM

He will be making about $140,000 a day. Not bad for a one trick pony. I hope though that Beckham is stating the truth when he says that he wants to promote the game in the states. If he intends to do this then I think he will be sucessful. He has an amazing brand internationally and that's something that Americans understand.

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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 12:48 PM

"I have worked out that David Beckham will be being paid at the rate of.........when he goes for an average lenth pee...he will earn more than I did in in a month when I was working."

It is a question of distance and accuracy.

Bend it like Beckham?

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From: Paul from Hull
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 12:39 PM

*LOLOL*

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From: Bagpuss
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 12:36 PM

Hollywood's reaction?

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From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 12:08 PM

Perhaps he is more entertaining? :)

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From: Georgiansilver
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 11:57 AM

I have worked out that David Beckham will be being paid at the rate of.........when he goes for an average lenth pee...he will earn more than I did in in a month when I was working. Something wrong there!

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From: Paul Burke
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 11:54 AM

The kick the ball, the man who's holding the ball, his balls, and have a ball version of football is much older than prissy soccer. It's still played once a year near here at Ashbourne in Derbyshire, and is played on Shrove Tuesday and Ash Wednesday: You won't see Beckham here at any price.

American football, Rugby football, Australian Rules and Association football are all descended from games like this. Though Australian Rules seems to be also partly descended from the independent (but related) root of Gaelic football, which is a wild and mad game and I don't know why it hasn't made it to British TV on those bleak terrestrial TV sport afternoons.

Let's not talk about hurling.

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From: fat B****rd
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 11:46 AM

The Bexes don't cause me any problems (why should they). But when Ali G interviewed them (charityathon UK tv) our Vic didn't let him get to her when he asked about "that song they sing about you at football matches" So IMHO a point to her for that.
One thought, HOW MUCH !?!?!?.

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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 11:43 AM

Give it up Strollin Johnny.   The American version of Football will always be football in this country. Soccer is soccer. Your description over simplifies the history involved.

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From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 11:39 AM

Hey you lot, let's get something straight. Soccer IS football. It's played by kicking (hence 'foot') a ball (hence 'foot...ball'). The ball is mainly propelled by the foot - FOOTBALL!! Easy innit?

How can a game in which the ball is propelled almost entirely by hand be described as 'football'? It don't make no sense, do it guv'nah?

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From: Leadfingers
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 11:37 AM

The Beckhams have had a lot of bad press ,but they DONT make any silly claims to be God's gift ! They play up to the 'Thick' image quite a bit , and can you blame them for taking the money they've been offered ? And David was at least a VERY Sporting player , even as (especially as ) England captain !

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From: Becca72
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 11:21 AM

LOL Fat B. As soon as I scroll up and find out who started that earworm they're going to get it!! I am ever so thankful that I, too, am too old to have been "into" the Spice Girls. Yeesh.

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From: fat B****rd
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 10:48 AM

Who cares, zigazig ah !

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From: Scrump
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 10:43 AM

LA's gain is England's gain. Oops! I meant loss but too late to change it, I can't find the delete key temporarily.

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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 10:37 AM

Opportunity.   The money is the tip of the iceberg. His wife can explore options in Hollywood. Both can expand advertisign endorsements. He already owns a successful soccer camp in LA, which could expand across the country. While LA is filled with paparrazi, they will be just another face in the crowd and can live more of a normal life then when he was the only game in town.

He has admitted that the money is important, but he could have received MUCH more if he signed with other teams. I am sure that a Saudi team would have loved to own him. The money was not the only issue, the potential for the future probably was a greater influence.

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From: Bagpuss
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 10:33 AM

What's he doing it for? Cos posh told him she would only go where there was good shopping?

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From: Scrump
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 10:28 AM

Good luck to him. I'd do it if I was him. The only thing I object to is him saying on the news "I'm not doing it for the money". Pull the other one! Then what the **** is he doing it for? I know he's not that intelligent, but he must be even thicker than I thought.

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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 10:03 AM

The Galaxy were averaging about 20,000 per game. The Mexican team Chivas bought a fanchise that also plays in LA. While they are not drawing as well as the Galaxy, they are doing fine.

The MLS also had a team in Florida, figuring the Latino population would come out as well. They did not.   The Latino population in Florida is largely represented by Cuba and Latin America, which has a stronger baseball background.

While the MLS will never be confused with the the great Italian or even British leagues, it will do well and be competitive.

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From: Teribus
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 09:58 AM

Lots of latinos in LA, given the choice between American Football, Baseball or Soccer - I'd venture to guess that they'd go for Soccer.

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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 09:31 AM

"Americans hardly know who he is and there is no way that he alone will boost the popularity of soccer over here (which is virtually nonexistant). American football and baseball will not allow that. "

I disagree.   While soccer will never reach the popularity of football and baseball - or even basketball, it can be a successful niche sport - along the lines of hockey. The big three sports have a long history in this country, and it is hard to instill passion to a mass audience for a sport that has little significance to our past.

However, there are more people that recognize David Beckham then you think. To the soccer playing youth of this country, his name and face are familiar from all the ads and merchandise that caters to that market.

Los Angeles and the MLS have made a very good investment. He is worth every penny assuming that he lives up to the expectation. I'm not sure if you remember the Cosmos during the late '70's and early 80's. They filled 70,000 seat stadiums as soon as Pele arrived. I remember one weekend when both the Mets and Yankees were at home, and the Cosmos outdrew them both!   Pele's arrival started a trend and we soon saw others such as Beckenbauer, Chinalgia, Best, Alberto and many other international stars. True, many were well past their prime - but they created a spark.   The management of the league became greedy and expanded well beyond their means, but now in 2007 the structure is there.   Americans are playing soccer - and many of our players are now doing well in Europe and abroad.

The idea behind Beckham, who at 31 can still be an impact player in this league, is to put fans in the seats. That is the most important aspect. He is a poster-boy and has the skills to back it up.   He will also help improve the level of play and can also help bring others to the game. There is strong talk of Ronaldo coming over.

The MLS is playing it smart - building smaller stadiums (20 to 30 thousand) in markets that will support the game.   The old NASL put teams in places like Rochester and Tulsa - fine cities but without a fan base that support a major league level team.   The MLS has been around for 11 seasons now, and they are cautiously expanding. The level of competition has improved, and the signs are great.

Think of Beckham as an ambassador. His greatest contribution to the game is yet to come.

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From: Scoville
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 09:27 AM

The Spice Girls were better known than most of us would care to remember (thankfully I'm too old to have been that "into" them). A Victoria is mostly known now for being too thin.

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From: Alba
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 09:17 AM

True Becca but maybe a lot of Folks in LA know who the "Spice Girls" where! So perhaps Mrs. Beckham will help shine the spotlight on her hubcap in LA.

Where the Spice Girls known in the US? Does anyone recall those immortal Lyrics "tell me what you want what you really really want, I'll tell you want I want what I really really want" Sadly lyrics that wish had become a forgetable earworm in my case!!! **GRIN**

Best Wishes
Jude

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From: Becca72
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 09:03 AM

They're throwing their money away. Americans hardly know who he is and there is no way that he alone will boost the popularity of soccer over here (which is virtually nonexistant). American football and baseball will not allow that.

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From: jacqui.c
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 08:59 AM

Totally agree Johnny. Not as if they need the money either.

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From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 08:48 AM

My dog's last turd is more popular than Bush.

If I could get half a million a week, I'd grab it and I dom't blame Beckham for doing it.

But I do blame the prats who run LA More-Money-Than-Sense FC. It's monstrous that they can afford to, and apparently be happy to, pay one tired old has-been that kind of money when there's so much poverty in the US, let alone the world.

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From: Rasener
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 08:06 AM

Beckham will be more popular than George Bush!!!

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From: Paul from Hull
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 07:59 AM

Hehehe...nor mine, but then I'm not into footy or stick insects!

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From: jacqui.c
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 07:58 AM

Haven't even seen that Paul. Believe me, not knowing anything of their exploits over the past couple of years has not reduced my quality of life whatsoever.

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From: Paul from Hull
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 07:55 AM

Apparently he is only known in the States for doing a tv commercial for milk? Is that right? *G*

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From: jacqui.c
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 07:42 AM

This was on the national news over here last night.

One of the great thinbgs about living over here was the fact that then Beckhams were virtually unknown with no media coverage whatsoever. I'm hoping that doesn't change.

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From: GUEST,Bill the Collie
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 07:30 AM

It says in the news today that David'll get £128 million for 5 years work in LA.


Glad I'm retired, else I'd be jealous.

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From: Rasener
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 08:01 PM

Skipjack
You would be very welcome. :-)
Do you play a good Tuna - sorry coudn't resist that one :-)

The only thing is, there aint a lot of floorspots left this year, but if we could sort this out, I am sure I could find a teeny weenie 20 minute floorspot for you somehow.
pm me and we might be able to do something if you are serious.
How far would you have to travel?

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From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 01:01 PM

A team that depends so much on Beckham doesn't deserve him!

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From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 12:57 PM

Chorlton-cum-Hardy.....Yo!!

Giok

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From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 10:38 AM

CROATIAAAAAA.

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From: Georgiansilver
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 09:14 AM

Skipjack K8...you would find it well worth the visit and we really are a friendly lot. Be Blessed.

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From: Skipjack K8
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 09:06 AM

Well, Les, looking back a bit, if the cap fits?!!!!!

Looks like I'll have to turn out at Market Rasen FC in order to have this out with you!

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From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 06:41 AM

Now now Sophia, we're talking soccer skills here! :0)

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From: Sweetfia
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 04:58 AM

Rooney!Rooney!Rooney!

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From: Rasener
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:11 PM

Beckham? Statesman? Slight problem in the language department - let alone the wife. Thick as mince. Still if England see him as a statesman???????

I like that one :-)

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From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 11:32 AM

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 09:03 PM

What does a statesman do. Whatever Michael Howard's supposed to be doing - I bet ya Beckham could do it better.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,V
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 01:28 PM

Beckham? Statesman? Slight problem in the language department - let alone the wife. Thick as mince. Still if England see him as a statesman???????

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 07:36 AM

Get your black arm-bands here.
Delivery due in Thursday. Apply now to avoid the rush.
Comes with free sick -bag.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 12:04 PM

The DVLA are sending out letters to all drivers.

Here is what it says!!!

"In order to assist other motorists in identifying potentially dangerous drivers, it's now compulsory for anyone with a lower than average driving ability to display a warning flag.

The flag (comprising of a red cross on a white background) will be attached to the top of at least one door of their vehicle.

For drivers of exceptionally low ability, additional flags are required."

It comes into force this summer apparently.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Den
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 11:51 AM

Oops the guest above was me.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 11:08 AM

has anyone realised that all those little red and white flags are as good as a speed camera. Drive down the road at more than 70mph and the little bu**ers break off.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 09:14 AM

You are right The Villan. The goalkeeper can move at will from side to side along the goal line aslong as he/she does not move forward away from the goal line. Barthez is a master at distracting the penalty taker just ask Steed Malbranque.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,Asterix
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 04:51 AM

It was a game of two halves.... one 87 minutes long and the other..... six minutes long. Two goals in six minutes now thats what I call a Team.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 04:39 AM

Skipjack, are you saying that you can freely express an addiction to football, while others must pay attention and not disagree?
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 04:15 AM

I believe the rules are such nowadays, that the goalkeeper can move along the goal line but not come forward.

Is that correct referees?

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: AKS
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 03:57 AM

But isn't it still in the book that the goalie may NOT move before the ball moves? Barthez was well on his way when Beckham was only jogging to the ball's (general) direction!

re: "...quickly they have forgotten his excellent free kick..."; say no more, Alanabit, beautiful stuff it was!

AKS

ps did you see the Swedes kick the Bulgarians - boy can they run! Or then maybe the B's are slower than average...

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: alanabit
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 02:13 AM

Kevin, I have to disagree. A well hit penalty takes a twentieth of a second to reach its target. The goalkeeper doesn't have a chance if it is hit properly. I think it would be fairer to say that it is unreasonable to expect the penalty taker to get it right every time. To be fair to Becks, he has more than once taken penalties at nerve wracking moments and done the job perfectly. One memorable occasion was against Argentina in the World Cup two years ago. For those who are moaning about his recent miss, it is worth noting how quickly they have forgotten his excellent free kick, which resulted in England taking the lead against France.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 01:43 AM

LOL Does that mean you are planning to visit Market Rasen Folk Club, in the forseable future then Skipjack :-) Worried I might attack you LOL

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 07:16 PM

Oops, sorry Les, in this instance I am guilty of forgetting you run a club. My chiding was meant as a riposte to Breezy's polemic. Honest!

Giok, start your own thread and maybe we'll come over there.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: The Walrus
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 07:12 PM

I don't see what all the fuss is about!

We won the important match yesterday.
IIRC it's the first time we've whitewashed the Kiwis since sometime in the mid 1970s (and they've pasted us a few times since then).

Walrus

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 05:48 PM

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr -- what an odd surname.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 05:27 PM

A missed penalty is when the ball goes wide or over the top, and it is always an embarassing mistake. A saved penalty is when the keeper guesses right, jumps the correct way or stays in the middle, and stops the ball going into the goal, and statistically that is bound to happen every now and again. Not at all the same thing.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Rasener
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 04:51 PM

I love football, and am good mannered and am providing the good folk of Market Rasen with a folk club, which together with all the artists, we all put a lot of hard work into.

Don't judge everybody by the minority.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 04:21 PM

I hate football, I would ban it with immediate effect in favour of classes in good manners, and civic responsibility.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Rasener
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 04:06 PM

Do I sniff a bit of Scottish jealousy somewhere :-)

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: alanabit
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 03:31 PM

France were the better side and it would have been a travesty had they left the stadium with anything less than the three points which they deserved. They passed the ball to each other and played composed, confident football even when they were behind. They had passion, discipline and skill.
I'll still give England a chance if the two sides meet again though. They weren't all bad. There were some good things in their performance and they can do better.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 03:14 PM

I can't believe that grown men [allegedly] could get so wound up over something so unimportant.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 02:28 PM

To mangle George Burns' words, too bad the people who really know how to sort out England's soccer problems are too busy running folk clubs. ;)

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST, clear light of morning
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 01:55 PM

England were much the better side. The scoreline was a travesty. But the scoreline is all that counts. On this showing, however, sober thinking knowledgeable punters would bet on the English to beat the French should they meet again later in competition.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 01:15 PM

keep it up, this is ten times better than the match!

those Plantaganet bastards, wouldn't you know it was them all along. that's why we lost......a kebab munching patron saint and t-shirts with French heraldry, all that money in the captain's handbag weighing him down....well it was hardly a level playing field

if they were anything like sportsmen, they'd give us a doggy's chance - say a penalty shoot out

the only thing is, we have this trouble with penalties.....

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: breezy
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 11:43 AM

and my wife says that John Motson's a plonker.

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From: breezy
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 11:41 AM

its agame of two parts, the 2nd being longer than the first due to the addition of Added Time, England dont know about that.

No one has told the boys to keep on playing till the end.

It was in the minds of the players that they had won long before the final whistle was blown.
The failure to drive this point home rests with our motivators especially that swede of a manager who is a creep and too many think the sun shines out of his fundamental.

Lack of finishing the race to csoss the line in first place, cost England the game, loss of concentration, loss of determination, loss of pride, loss of direction and the lack of a man to kick arse on the field of play to lead the team to the end .

Dont tell me they were good when they lost.

England messed up, big time.

If you want rewards you have to work for them.

Michaela Breeze's reward has been achieved by exactly that, she puts these prima donnas of footballers to shame as can many real athletes.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Blackcatter
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 11:33 AM

Deutschland uber alles.

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From: GUEST,Frog
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 10:26 AM

Let's face it England are crap - I'm glad they lost because I hate the low life sun-reading, no brain scum that support In-GRRR-Lund!

Three lions on a shirt! Don't those tossers realise that, The Three Lions is a french symbol brought to scumland by the plantagenets. Also St George was a Turk and the stupid red cross flag is of eastern european origin.

Beckham? - overpaid poof!

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Fergie
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 10:05 AM

Ahh! Did yis not feel sorry for poor England, I was sitting in front of the telly here in Dublin and I had tears in my eyes, Honest.
Adieu for now
Monsieur Fergus

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: s6k
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:18 AM

ze germans will defeat all ze infidels!

and i will boil beckhams eye with a hot poker one day

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Les from Hull
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:12 AM

This is what happens when a team defends too deep and fails to clear the ball, other than giving back to the opposition. We could have put more pressure on the French midfield players, other than having a clumsy striker leg one up. You're right about James' positioning, Den, but even then it was a brilliantly taken free kick.

Bartez has seen enough Beckham spot kicks to know his technique, but you can't really blame James for not saving the penalty, Sophe. Keepers will often decide which side to dive to before the kicker takes it. It's a 50:50 thing.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:10 AM

I think it unfair to blame Beckham for the loss but it is fair, as suggested in another thread, to suggest he was unwise to take the kick. Here is another angle - from the BBC.

As for the comments about the goalkeeper, as a Norwich supporter, I can assure you the real problem in that area was overlooking Robert Green... Mind you, in fariness to James and with regards to the penalty istelf, I thought it was really well struck.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:08 AM

Get used to it YOU LOST!

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:03 AM

Well from what I saw Beckham didn't seem to get much purchase on the spot kick and to be honest Bartez did very well. He was across very quickly to make the stop. If its donkeys your looking for. Look no further than Heskey it was his needless foul that gave away the free-kick. James' positioning on the kick was poor. He rooted himself dead centre on the goal line. The wall is there to cover part of the goal. The way they had set up would allow James to move a little to his right and guard that side of the net. And finally Steven Gerrard had enough time to hit the ball anywhere other than where he put it. What about the 30th row of the stadium.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Sweetfia
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 08:37 AM

I can't remember what goal is was but what i do remember is that James went one way as the ball went the complete opposite way!! Idiot!

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 07:21 AM

Anyone who blames Becham for this loss was looking at a different match than I was.
The donkeys were calamnity James the goal keeper and Gerard who made a stupid back pass.
I'm not a Becham fan but he was the best English forward on the pitch.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 07:13 AM

If memory serves me right wasn't it a last minute goal scored by this very player that actually got England there? Or am I thinking of another occasion.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Hrothgar
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 05:57 AM

The rugby was even worse. Poor Sir Clive!

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From: GUEST,BIG ANDY
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:47 PM

I wonder how many flags are been thrown ripped cars, and been left at the side of the road, at this very minuet.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Rasener
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:46 PM

LOL
Are you a Man U fan then Skipjack?

Of course he is going to congratulate him after his pathetic miss.

"the only bloody statesman we've got left in English football"

LMAO

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:38 PM

Beckham didn't miss, Barthez made a great save. Beckham is just about the only bloody statesman we've got left in English football, and he carried the defeat with dignity, congratulating Zidane in a most magnanamous way. All power to the bloke. Stop yer carping, Les!

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Rasener
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:37 PM

Weelittledrummer

Its no good having a game of 2 halfs if you lose. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: greg stephens
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:29 PM

Gig deal. When did France last beat us at cricket?

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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:03 PM

come now it's a game of two halves ...no need to carry on. Be brave....another month to go of this.

Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 04:55 PM

Ranks just posted this on another thread.

England was leading up to the 90th Minute. Beckham missed a penalty in the second half. Zidane scored a free-Kick in the 91st minute. In the 93rd Minute he scored a penalty after a terrible mistake of the English defense.

Ranks did NOT sound too impressed. (I had asked who won.)

Subject: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Rasener
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 04:42 PM

What a bloody idiot. I dont know about Heskey being the donkey, I think Beckham has won that title.

This is the saecond time he has let us down.

Why doesn't he retire and live with his beloved posh.



Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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