BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview

Subject: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: banjomad (inactive)
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 03:19 PM

Wow does he seriously need help or what. This man should not be allowed near children. period

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: greg stephens
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 03:20 PM

I found the Bashir bloke more alarming.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Firecat
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 03:53 PM

I've not seen it yet, but I've taped it.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:01 PM

Thank you for sharing that, Firecat.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:07 PM

It's on ITV2 right now - 9.00pm GMT. Shame I can't get ITV2... not!

The man is seriously deranged, needs help and has no taste in furnishings.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: greg stephens
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:27 PM

Well, I dont know Liz. i think if I had the money a copy of Tutankhamen's coffin would set my study off a treat.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:48 PM

So, what did he say????

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:02 PM

He came over as incredibly sad and lonely during the first half of the programme and focused on how disfunctional his family life had been. I felt he seemed reasonably rational until the second half of the programme when we met his children and from then on I concluded that he was seriously disturbed. Behaviour like that from anyone else would have found the children placed in care. I really feel he needs help to convince himself that he is not a child but an adult and having 12 year olds sleep in his bedroom is not acceptable. I felt quite sickened by him.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:05 PM

The huge painting, in his recording studio, depicting himself as Jesus surrounded by cherubs was a little disturbing too.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Kim C
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:16 PM

He's a freak. And it's too bad, because he's an incredibly talented individual.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: nutty
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:19 PM

I coudn't bear to watch it all .... had to switch channels eventually. I found him so disturbingly wierd.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:24 PM

I just feel very, very sorry for MJ. He is a soul in torment.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Helen
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 06:25 PM

I stuck it out and agree totally with Linda Kelly's thoughts. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Sad individual - he needs help, and so do his kids.

Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:38 PM

I've not had much time to be on line today but found it quite interesting periodically looking in on news sites and reading reactions. I'd also expected to see this one raised earlier here to guage what a "Mudcat reaction" would be...

Where I have read, I have seen opinions ranging from "shock horror" to criticism of the progam with all sorts in between. One place that was inviting replies was the ITV website. Mine didn't make the grade but here it is:

The documentary started well. It became clear that Michael Jackson lives in his own fantasy world and has a mental age of rather less than his 42 years. It later became apparent that Martin Bashir had his own agenda.

Jackson certainly has problems but the only feelings I have towards him are of sadness and sympathy. The "gutter press" like attempts to sensationalise were wasted on me.

Jon, Norfolk

The same (ITV news) site had a poll asking:

In the light of revelations on ITV1's Living with Michael Jackson - A Tonight Special, should the singer be allowed to care for children?

Intrestingly enough the last time I was able to view the results, say about midnight GMT, over 3/4 said YES.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 08:01 PM

Sorry, I mst correct maths... The figure saying he should be allowed was more like 72% - a little under 3/4 not more than as I stated above.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Alice
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 08:20 PM

The way Michael Jackson has approached parenthood was like adding more animals to his zoo. The children are like his posessions. What a sick life.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 09:45 PM

The man apparently can't stand the skin he's trapped in. Too bad, very sad. What a tragic figure...

It's like he is dead and hasn't figured it out yet.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Hrothgar
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 04:22 AM

Poor bastard. He's sick, and no-one wants to help him.

To make it worse, too many of the people with whom he comes into contact seem to perceive more gain for themselves in his problems than in the cure for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 05:37 AM

(quote)
"Poor bastard. He's sick, and no-one wants to help him."

Whoa. Bakc up there a moment. What makes you believe that MJ would "accept" any help from those that disturb his wealth-fed bubble life. Elvis certainly refused help and was rich enough to just surround himself with only those that would support his psychosis. Why are you so convinced MJ is any less unwilling to "accept" the pychiatric help he obviously needs.

No one is more blind than one whom refuses to see.
Throw in mega $millions$ to reinforce one's fantasies and you have a pretty intractable illusion system that one can do no wrong so long as they stay in that bubble.
Witness Peter Townsend's recently come to light "issues".

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Ritchie
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 07:34 AM

I'm with you on that one Taliesn. The voyeuristic in us and our quest to read/view and gossip about others is also rather sad. Do you think that Micheals 'children' will have a better life than he had as child?

hopefully they will and sadly that could be thought of as progress.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 07:41 AM

I never saw the programme because I was in Australia for 3 months, but what I have heard the man is really silly or as they say here in Scotland a real heidbanger.
He's 41 years old and yet he allows children to sleep in bed with him or if not in the same bedroom as him.
I mean if that was anyone else they would be classed as a child molester, and yet he can get away with it.
Hopefuly not for long, he really needs to go to a head shrinker.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 08:16 AM

Hope his head shrinker does a lot better job than his nose shrinker...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 11:11 AM

Damn you Spaw! Have you no class at all? I was just WAITING for someone to come in here and trivialize this.....I should have known it was going to be you!

Michael (by his own admission) has had a mere TWO SURGERIES (far fewer than YOU'VE had) and they were simply to help him breathe better. Try it yourself: #1: Twist off nose. #2. Take deeeep breath.

There, now wasn't that relaxing?

Ricky (also very immature, who sleeps with 8 and 9 year old cats....and Heather)

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Mark Clark
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 11:25 AM

As any right-thinking bloke should know, the real Michael Jackson is a widely read and well respected author on brewing high-quality beers at home. The pretender to the name that people seem to be disgusting [sic] here is merely a Fig Newton of his own imagination and certainly not worthy of mention.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 11:35 AM

Oh thank you Rick!!!! THANK YOU!!! You see, I was getting very worried about myself. It was as if I was becoming more mature, responsible......even adult in some ways. I had been wanting to pop in and trivialize this thread from the gitgo but had held off. It's scary to think about but............hey, wait a minute...........okay, it's alright.......I now realize it wasn't judgement and patience (sure signs of maturity) at all.....I was just waiting for the set-up line!!!

WHEW!! That was close.........

But I do still worry about me, otherwise I'd have posted this on the Karen Carpenter thread:

Such a feeling's coming over me
I am barfing on most everything I see
Not a thing in my gut
I've got a real skinny butt
But it's still far too large a butt for me

I'm on the top of the world
Throwing up on creation
And the only explanation I can find
Is that control of my weight
Just makes me feel great
Though the problem's not in my ass, but in my mind.

Yeah, maybe I do need to worry................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: cockney
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 11:45 AM

Didn't see the programme, saw some pictures in the press - Has anybody noticed The baby is WHITE!!! The person who sold the poor wretch to this pervert to use as a plaything should be prosecuted.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Bagpuss
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 11:50 AM

In the interview, he claimed that the mother (who he has never met) is black.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Sliding Down The Bannister At My Auntie's House
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 11:59 AM

If he had no money, he couldn't practice this perversion. He got his dosh through selling millions of records!

So all those who bought Michael Jackson records must feel a bit bad about indirectly/unknowingly sponsoring paedaphilia.

I feel sorry for those who bought MJ records anyway.

By the way I can't find my Who album "The Kids Are Alright"

SHOOT'EM ALL!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: C-flat
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 11:59 AM

He certainly cut a tragic figure as he "nursed" his veiled baby. The morning press had got him in such an agitated state that I thought the poor baby was about to be dropped.
He claims to be "at one" with children and is at his happiest when surrounded by them but appeared to be using them as stage props for his fantasy life-style.
I suspect that he is trying to have the childhood he so obviously missed out on and genuinely believes he can be a child by being around children but I certainly wouldn't let him baby-sit mine!
The more he spouted on about spreading love to the children, the more naive he sounded.
Who could have imagined, when we were buying those Jackson 5 8-track cassettes, how sad his life would turn out.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Beccy
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 01:46 PM

i'm glad there's something on which we can all agree. Michael Jackson's a fruitcake and he shouldn't be allowed near children. Now... what to do with those lou-lous of parents who let their small boys sleep in the same room with Jacko...

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Sliding Down The Bannister At My Auntie's House
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 02:01 PM

Some people will do anything for money!!!

It's really a form of child prostitution.

Subject: The real Michael Jackson
From: Mark Clark
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 03:15 PM

Here is a link to the real Michael Jackson for beer lovers of all stripes.

Enjoy!

      - Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 03:27 PM

Years ago the Houston-based preacher Louis Farrakhan told his followers (black men...won't allow whites or women in his church), that MTV was being used to set up American blacks for the coming race war. He cautioned that Rap music...was being beamed everywhere, and the images were not lost on the rest of the world. Sumner Redstone runs MTV, and Farrakhan pointed out the white owner was making sure the rest of the world came to think of American black men as menacing in their gestures, foul-mouthed, abusive towards women, obsessed with gold chains and sex, etc. He said when the whites began the eradication of the blacks in America, the rest of the world would have been presented with 'evidence' and would sit back while the slaughter took place.

The Michael Jackson obsession is much the same thing, in my opinion. He's held up as a 'success' so that we who earn less or are less well-known will REALLY feel bad about ourselves. Don't fall for it. Media manipulation. The global crime syndicate is pushing the racial and economic-class buttons, WHILE they present the idea of pedophilia in mainstream, prime-time.

Pedophilia will be taunted as the next big 'sexual liberation' issue. All the 'politically correct' people in the world will be reminded that bi-racial marriages used to be frowned upon, as was homosexuality, and now the time has come to liberate children from the artificial sexual restraints placed upon them by society. Seriously. It's coming. So is the repeal of bestiality laws. And ALL of this will be done in order to make us despise ourselves. God I hate TV.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Kim C
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 04:11 PM

Fig Newton of his own imagination!!!! ROFL!!!

He's sort of like Gollum in a way... living in his own little world, with people on the outside feeling sorry for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Kim C
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 04:25 PM

PS I believe he's had his nose worked on AT LEAST 4 times.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 04:49 PM

GUEST, may I introduce you to GUEST? Between the two of you, you got it all covered...

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 05:18 PM

In case you're talking to me, Ebbie, I'm the 'Tyranny' 'Moloch' guest. See, it's ALL tied together...the denigration of society, the dumbing down of people, the distractions while the chains are applied. The first thing American troops helped distribute in Afghanistan a year ago (besides opium seeds) were televisions. Can't have people going without CIA brainwashing.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: GUEST,fretless
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 09:56 AM

There's a review of the TV program in this morning's Washington Post, restating much of what was said above. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32132-2003Feb5.html

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Strupag
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 10:24 AM

I quite believe that MJ has had only two plastic surgery jobs.
First one - The famous nose job
Second one - To remould the face to fit the nose

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 10:49 AM

If you're poor and act strangly, you're crazy...if you're rich, you're 'eccentric'....

I have the wicked sort of mind that imagines Michael Jackson locked in a house with Howard Hughes, Gary Larson, Gahan Wilson and assorted others....give them some paper, video cameras, etc...and see what happens.

(No not REALLY!)

but it makes me both sad & angry that MJ is allowed to continue associating with children, his own or anyone else's.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: charlie mudslinger
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 11:02 AM

yea Kim only Gollum is one handsome dude in comparison

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 11:09 AM

Thanks, fretless. I particularly liked thier conclusion

Perhaps most poignant is the scene where Michael sits with Bashir in his movie screening room, watching old television of himself performing "I Want You Back" with the Jackson 5. The camera jumps from the young Michael -- cute, brown, innocent -- to the middle-aged Michael -- ravaged, white and clinging to the illusion of innocence, and that moment says more than nearly two hours of shock TV that comprises "Living With Michael Jackson."

I don't think it got Bashir starting off sypathetically then doubting right though. I think the game was one of convincing Jackson he had a real friend with the plan of making him out to be a child pervert later and, personally, I found that more sickening than any of Jackson's revalations.

Jackson's relationship with childern is certainly questionable but I can't pass judgement on that except to say that given Jackson's screwed up state and attempts to remain a child, I suppose it is quite possible that he genuienly believes what he does is innocent and that there is no sexual motive.

What I can be sure is that if there are questions that are felt need to be answered, that this should be done by the proper authorities (whatever they are in the US) rather than by the media who love public outcry and rub thier hands with glee when they see controversial articles increasing thier sales.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Kim C
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 12:18 PM

Gahan Wilson! Ohmagawd!!!! I used to LOVE Gahan Wilson! There was a series of children's books I read long ago that he illustrated. i can just see how he would draw Michael Jackson.......

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Alice
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 12:30 PM

Children are born into the world without legal control over their environment - it is the adults around them that influence what happens to them and it is the responsibility of the adults to protect children from harm. Jackson says he loves to sleep with other people's children and in the interview I saw, that it is "charming" to tuck them in. This attitude of what he thinks is fun and charming completely misses the point that it isn't mentally healthy for kids to be toyed with like pets, even if he says there is no sex involved.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Kim C
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 12:40 PM

(It was the Matthew Looney books by Jerome Beatty, illustrated by Gahan Wilson. Great for little kids if you can still find them.)

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 12:46 PM

Exactly, Alice. Somehow I doubt MJ to be capable of an adult sex relationship but he is still using children to amuse or console himself - his own included (personally I also doubt that they are!)and that is a form of abuse. By all means invite them to his home accompanied by parents, throw jelly and ice cream parties but sleeping in the same bed is definitely WRONG!! I have no sympathy for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 03:21 PM

I've been thinking today about sleeping with kids. I can't come up with anything in my life that I could relate to Jackson or indeed any real life situation where I would be doing any such thing but I did come up with this scenario:

I don't have kids of my own but I have brothers that do. I then took the highly unlikely scenario that I was looking after the house for the brother to let him and his wife had a weekend away. Together with the house, I'm looking after my 7 yr old niece.

There is a severe thunder storm and she rushes into my bedroom saying "Uncle Jonny, I'm scared, can I sleep in your bed?" (after all in my scenario, that is how her parents confront such issues when they are tired and it's late at night).

Maybe 10 years ago, I would have just said "yes". Now, I'd probably say "OK, you can sleep in my bed, let me just go and find a sleeping bag for me so I can sleep on the floor".

I've not changed, but society (or perhaps more accurately my awareness of attitudes within society) has changed. I guess If I'd taken that imaginary step 10 yrs ago, I'd now be a child pervert, perhaps worse still, the way things are, the child could remember sleeping in a bed with an adult and think that must mean perversion, not because of anything that happened but because of public reaction... It's scarey...

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying child abuse is fanatsy - it is a sick and horrible reality and for my part, if I ever stumbled on a site promoting it, I'd ensure authorities were aware of it...

I've also never slept with a child. The closest I have come to children in my bedroom have been times where the niece I was thinking of above together with her younger brother have decided I should be woken up in the morning... Believe me being woken up by your room invaded and then being used as a trampoline is a "grit your teeth job", not a pleasure, particularly after a late night.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Ed.
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 04:00 PM

Thanks for that post, Jon

I've worked in a Probation Centre, and know that paedophilia ('Schedule One' is how it's defined) is actually a rare condition. Michael Jackson is obviously very mixed up mentally, but I doubt that he's a paedophile.

Paedophilia is, to many people, the most henious crime possible, and maybe it is. Today at work several people said that they'd "shoot Michael Jackson on sight" I don't see that as being very helpful.

I started a teaching course a couple of years ago, but due to personal problems never finished it. I hope to try again in September, but I'm only applying to teach adults.

A male trying to teach at primary level is so full of potential pitfalls, that it's not worth bothering with: You touched my boy!

No thanks, but a shame

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 05:12 PM

http://www.nambla1.de/

This is what the media obsession with Michael Jackson is pointing you at, so just go to damn the site and save hundreds of hours of brainwashing.

All of us who have been brainwashed to be 'politically correct' will eventually be told to support the NORTH AMERICAN MAN BOY LOVE ASSOCIATION because...well, pedophiles aren't so bad, when you think about it. They're human TOO. How dare WE judge them.

This is television's primary function now. It used to be just the 'opiate of the masses' in America, but now it is being used to incrementally brainwash people into accepting the despicable.

The liberal 'political correctness' movement has been hijacked by the dehumanizers, just as the 'environmental' movement has been hijacked by the real-estate developing land-grabbers.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Jackson-UK TV interview
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 05:49 PM

The special is on here in a few hours. I suppose I will watch it to see what the deal is. From what has been said, MJ is pissed because everything was taken out of context. Only shown what made him look bad.There is the media for you.
Child Services made a statement this morning that they would be watching it closely.
I see nothing wrong with sleeping with your kids. Since my niece was a small child when she visits me she has slept with me. She is now fourteen years old and she still wants to sleep with me when she visits. We cuddle and talk and and talk and talk...(kid won't shut-up and go to sleep!) But does that make me a pervert or a lesbian? No way. I just love my niece and she loves me. To tell you the truth it has become so second nature, she will still probably want to sleep with me when she's fourty and I'm seventy!
As for MJ's kids wearing masks in public, maybe he doesn't want them being recognized and harrassed by media when they get older. Maybe the kids just like doing it?
Like I said I will have to watch. ABC 7:00 central if anyone wants to know when it's on.
Peace. Rustic