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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 10 Oct 22 - 04:42 AM Point of order: 43% was the percentage of those who voted Tory in the 1983 election, which gave Maggie Hatchett a thumping majority for her second term. *That*'s when the problems with her headbangers really started, as they could sound off without attracting the undivided attention of the Whips. They've had the bit between their teeth ever since. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 10 Oct 22 - 05:18 AM That is our wonderful voting system in all its glory. You can see why the 2 major parties don't want to change it. Year Government seat majority vote share 1979 Tory 43 43.9% 1983 Tory 144 42.4% 1987 Tory 102 42.2% 1992 Tory 21 41.9% 1997 Labour 179 43.2% 2001 Labour 167 40.7% 2005 Labour 66 35.2% The other worrying trend is the fall in the turnout. 1945 to 1997 turnout never fell below 71.4% (1997). Highest was 83.9% (1950) Since 2001 the turnout has never been above 70%. Lowest was 59.4% (2001) and the highest was 68.8% (2017) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Oct 22 - 05:54 AM Majoc the Filk: Point of order: 43% was the percentage of those who voted Tory in the 1983 election, I was quoting the results from the latest, 2019, General Election. If you would like clarification the details are in House of Commons Library Where it states: The 2019 General Election resulted in a Conservative victory. The party won 365 seats, 48 more than in 2017, and 43.6% of the vote, up from 42.3% in 2017. The Labour Party won 202 seats and 32.1% of the vote, down from 262 seats and 40.0% of the vote in 2017. The Liberal Democrats won 11 seats, one fewer than in 2017, and 11.5% of the vote, up from 7.4%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Oct 22 - 06:14 AM Steve: One things for sure Nigel: thickie Liz didn't get 43% of anybody's vote True. Liz Truss got 57.4% of the votes in the final round of the leadership contest. (which, before 'turnout' is queried, was 47% of the available vote) Source |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Oct 22 - 06:19 AM And for the most recent General Election Liz Truss got 69% of the voters who turned out, or 45% of the total votes available (Turnout 65.6%) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 10 Oct 22 - 08:07 AM She got about 81,000 votes (0.2% of the UK electorate), mostly from right-wing, wealthy, elderly white people. Lest we forget. In the last general election she was not a candidate for prime minister. This prime minister was not democratically elected except as an MP. Yes, it's happened before. I never approved in those cases either. Technically, we vote only for MPs in general elections. But let's not kid ourselves, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 10 Oct 22 - 01:07 PM 69% of the UK electorate voted for truss in South West Norfolk????? Has anyone notified the police and electoral commission? That sounds like electoral fraud on a massive scale. Otherwise tory lackeys need to just admits that that useless, waste of space has been inflicted on us by only 117,000 self-serving tory proverbials. Hardly a national mandate for her changes in government policy direction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Oct 22 - 02:54 PM And for the most recent General Election Liz Truss got 69% of the voters who turned out (in her constituency), or 45% of the total votes available (Turnout 65.6%) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 11 Oct 22 - 03:28 AM Hardly a NATIONAL mandate, is it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 11 Oct 22 - 04:26 AM From the BBC Sam Tarry: Former shadow minister ousted in deselection vote "Former shadow minister Sam Tarry has lost a battle to keep hold of his London seat in the first deselection of a Labour MP for more than a decade. The vote by party members means Mr Tarry, an ex-trade union official, will not stand as Ilford South's Labour candidate at the next general election. He was beaten by Redbridge Council leader Jas Athwal, by 499 votes to 361. Mr Tarry had previously beaten Mr Athwal to contest the seat in controversial circumstances in 2019. Just before the 2019 selection, Mr Athwal, who had been the favourite to win, was suspended over "extremely serious allegations", which ruled him out of the race. He had always denied the allegations and was later cleared. Mr Athwal claimed the complaint was "malicious" and politically motivated. The move sparked accusations of a "stitch-up" to allow Mr Tarry, a supporter of then-party leader Jeremy Corbyn, to become the candidate. Mr Tarry has represented Ilford South since the December 2019 election. He replaced Mike Gapes, who had held the seat since 1992 but resigned from Labour alongside six other MPs that February." I guess Angela will not be too happy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Oct 22 - 04:29 AM Did anybody stroke anybody else's thigh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 11 Oct 22 - 06:52 AM You know the old joke about the Yorkshire excercise class don't you Steve? "Hands on thighs..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 11 Oct 22 - 05:17 PM So Tarry is employing Carter-Ruck now. It will all end in tears. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 12 Oct 22 - 11:04 AM trusspot wasted the electricity on my TV talking complete drivel in answers PMQ. it claims that mortgage repayments going up by £7,200 is more than covered by elctrictiy not going up by another £1,000. Claiming that it has brought down energy charges is a blatant lie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 12 Oct 22 - 11:13 AM I'm convinced she was only brought in so we couldn't say that Bozo was the worst prime minister ever. Still, it could be worse. Imagine if Jeremy Corbyn had got it. We would have all been drafted into the Russian army by now... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Oct 22 - 11:17 AM I don’t understand how Thick Lizzy and Krazy (or do I mean ‘Khazi’) Kwarteng are still in their jobs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 12 Oct 22 - 11:45 AM They are still in a job ans it means MPs who could lose their seats if there was general election can at least keep their snouts in the trough for a couple of years, and line up their future careers as lobby consultants and paid board positions in corporations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 14 Oct 22 - 07:25 AM Khazi Kwarteng got the bullet - thank fuck for that! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 14 Oct 22 - 08:25 AM Didn't last long did he! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: DMcG Date: 14 Oct 22 - 08:26 AM I gather he has had the second shortest term as chacellor, with only Ian Macleod being shorter. However, as his excuse was that he died in office, it seems fairer to give the award to Kwarteng. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 14 Oct 22 - 09:50 AM What are the odds on Truss lasting to th eend of the year? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 14 Oct 22 - 09:53 AM maybe we could have a sweepstake - i'd guess next wednesday 19th. if not today..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Oct 22 - 09:59 AM But now we have Jeremy *unt as chancellor. The overseer of the wrecking of the NHS... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 14 Oct 22 - 10:04 AM wasn't there a Lansley involved? and the liberal democrats obviously |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 14 Oct 22 - 11:00 AM Herself's on knitting duty by the |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Oct 22 - 12:13 PM I've told three people today that *unt is the new chancellor. They all told me not to be bloody stupid - it isn't April 1... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 14 Oct 22 - 12:20 PM Just heard a repeat of the alleged press conference by TrussBot, and it's even more wooden than I remember: the same reply to all four questions from the audience, reiterating her speech without changing a word (*bzzzt* "Repetition!"). Presumably she's waiting for the maintenance crew to reprogram her, or busy-waiting on Greenpeace activists sending her a non-maskable interrupt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Oct 22 - 12:48 PM The general consensus seems to be that she's made things worse. A below-the-line comment on the Guardian's live report: "Waiting for Truss to come to her senses is like waiting for a crocodile to turn vegan." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 14 Oct 22 - 01:04 PM Truss is 8 to 13 on to be removed in 2022 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 14 Oct 22 - 01:37 PM Truss sacking Khazi Kwarteng is like a ventriloquist sacking the dummy for not liking what it was saying… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 14 Oct 22 - 01:48 PM Just read that Khazi Kwarteng hasn’t left Downing Street yet, they’re working to extricate him from under the bus… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 15 Oct 22 - 05:00 AM From Paul Cookson on FarceBook - too good not to post! Daily poem Okay then, this is what happened. I was most of the way through the following poem yesterday when the news came in. I thought it would be a shame to waste all those rhymes so I had to rewrite the ending ... THE KRAZY KWASI KARTENG KARTOON KRACKPOT KALCULATOR It’s magical and mythical Most marvellous creation Mysterious and mystical Guaranteed to save a nation No-one knows just how it works Not even its creator The Krazy Kwasi Karteng Kartoon Krackpot Kalculator Defies the views of experts With built in analytics Internal logic systems That don’t deal in specifics Completely independent Requires no regulator The Krazy Kwasi Karteng Kartoon Krackpot Kalculator You simply could not make it up Except the fact he did it Can’t comprehend the working out Not least because he hid it No mere work of fiction like The Great Glass Elevator The Krazy Kwasi Karteng Kartoon Krackpot Kalculator Only has two buttons No need for anymore Addition for the rich Subtraction for the poor A tap-tap here, a tap-tap there For the fiscal mass debater The Krazy Kwasi Karteng Kartoon Krackpot Kalculator No memory recall at all No sign of the times No button for division Or for the equal sign An extra button labelled Rich Tax Renumerator The Krazy Kwasi Karteng Kartoon Krackpot Kalculator The madman of the maths The crazy vacant grin Glasses glazed and fazed At the numbers massaged in Self satisfied and glassy eyed The smile of an alligator The Krazy Kwasi Karteng Kartoon Krackpot Kalculator It’s got the bells and whistles It pings and dings and makes a noise Rotates, vibrates and calculates For boys who like to play with toys No real sign of growth at all From this simulator The Krazy Kwasi Karteng Kartoon Krackpot Kalculator Tap five and eight, double oh, eight Then turn it upside down An adequate description To the answers that he’s found Still he cannot handle The budget hot potato The Krazy Kwasi Karteng Kartoon Krackpot Kalculator Uh-oh, oh no – out of control Nothing’s making sense Disrupting and bankrupting Changing pounds to pence Someone has to take the blame So goodbye! See you later … All thanks to You know who And his nothing backed up Crocked and cracked up Self imploding, overloading Complete collapsing and exploding Kamikaze self destructing Booby trapped and self corrupting Krazy Kami Kwasi Karteng See his car now fast departing Krazy Kami Kwasi Kancellor Yet another now ex-chancellor Thought it was his calculator… Instead it’s Truss’s Terminator And Chancellor Regenerator Poem 975 Saturday 15th October 2022 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 15 Oct 22 - 03:42 PM Starmer is of course using the present situation to attack the Conservatives. As leader of the opposition it’d be odd if he didn’t. The bit that’s missing though, is what he and Labour would do if they were to find themselves in government. I guarantee it’d be a total fiasco!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 15 Oct 22 - 04:02 PM Speculation, Bonzo, while the current disaster is an indisputable fact. First rule of any fiscal policy - don't borrow money to pay for tax cuts. You, as an accountant, should know that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Oct 22 - 06:02 AM From Graham Bragg on FarceBook… ”Kwasi was a bad boy, Chancellor no more, He frowned upon the logic, That 2 plus 2 is 4. To cling onto position, In desperation, Truss, Threw the hapless Kwarteng, Underneath the bus. She thought she'd do a sidestep, And not share in the blame, But if a duck's no leg to stand on, It's definitely lame. Looking for a patsy, To offload with the brunt, Both the task and her solution, Was a hopeless Hunt. Lizzy is a bad girl, She's shown she can't adjust, Like an oven-ready turkey, She's well and truly.... Trussed.” |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 16 Oct 22 - 06:30 AM Fucking stupid lefty wankery. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Oct 22 - 06:49 AM Good reasoned argument from as usual :-D Take a look at the link I posted for you on the other thread, Bonzo, it may help with your blood pressure too :-) Seriously though - It may help your Mrs |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Oct 22 - 07:02 AM Dave, Bonzo’s reaction is exactly what you’d expect from a fool who’s allowed himself to be duped by Tory propaganda, who’s supported the Party of the Greedy and Selfish vociferously here and, presumably, elsewhere, and now realised that the Tories have fucked themselves right royally and are engaged in a last-ditch wealth-grab to benefit themselves and their already-immensely-wealthy, mostly non-dom, controllers. Serves the twat, and other twats like him, right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 16 Oct 22 - 08:29 AM Tell me how Starmer and company would go about solving all this, because the Tories have never been able to solve the catastrophic mess left by Labour in 2010!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 16 Oct 22 - 09:37 AM Why is it that tories are so stupid that they still think that Lehman Brothers are/were owned by the Labour Party? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 16 Oct 22 - 09:40 AM Bearing in mind that truss stood on and was imposed on us by the tory party on a platform of massive tax cuts, where does her mandate come from? Typical tories - they lie to the public, they lie to royalty, and now they lie to their own party just to get power for its own sake. They need to be congratulated for the amazing growth they have achieved. Growth in mortgage interest rates, growth in inflation growth in child poverty, growth in hospital and GP waiting times, growth in A&E admission times, growth in food bank usage growth in number of people in work in need of state benefit support, growth in the number of people from outside of the UK denied the right to work in areas of labour shortages in essential services, growth in demonisation of people who wish to come to UK to seek refuge, growth in the number of worker days lost to industrial action, growth in the number of pubic transport cancellations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 16 Oct 22 - 11:02 AM "because the Tories have never been able to solve the catastrophic mess left by Labour in 2010!!!!!" Doesn't say very much for the conservative party that after 12 years not one of them has had the gumption to sort out the "mess" left by the Labour Party. I mean what sort of idiot would vote a party into power if they couldn't sort out a problem in that amount of time. I presume (accordong to Bonzo's logic) that when inflation fell to less than 1% in 2015 it must have been a fluke chance |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Oct 22 - 12:42 PM ”Tell me how Starmer and company would go about solving all this, because the Tories have never been able to solve the catastrophic mess left by Labour in 2010!!!!!” Once again, exactly the reaction to be expected from a fool who’s allowed himself to be duped by Tory propaganda, What were you on in 2008? The world-wide financial crash, caused by the profligacy and recklessness of the bankers here, in the US, and in other major world economies, seems to have completely passed you by. Must have been some good shit you were snorting… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Donuel Date: 17 Oct 22 - 07:28 AM Ya know Backwoodsguy, thats not as crazy as it sounds. The Trump States in America had the biggest opioid addictions. They changed the formula because people snorted the stuff. Pre WWII Germany also had their chapter of public opioid addiction. The UK has an opioid problem? Say it ain't so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Oct 22 - 08:12 AM It could well be argued that a major contributor to the banking crisis in 2008 (caused largely by irresponsible bankers) was initiated a couple of decades earlier by Thatcher (in this country - I'll look up Reagan's role later) and her idiotic chancellor Nigel Lawson when they deregulated the banks and gave free rein to the yahoos in the City who were interested in nothing other than enriching themselves overnight. That was bound to go bang eventually, and no kudos whatsoever to Blair and Brown for letting it run, by the way. However, a reminder to Bonzo that the Tories inherited a schools system and an NHS in pretty good shape in 2010. Mrs Steve got her cataracts done well within the 18-week time limit for waiting, and I got my back operation done and dusted within eight weeks of first presenting to my GP. The surgeon told me that people often asked him if they could go private, but he always told them not to bother because the NHS would be just as quick and they'd still get him. Ditto my bad shoulder rotator cuff. Happy days, eh, Bonzo? Now tell us how your lot have improved on that "mess"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Oct 22 - 12:00 PM ”The UK has an opioid problem? Say it ain't so.” Watch the YT videos of the behaviour of our recently-fired Chancellor, Krazy Kwarteng, at the funeral of the Queen, and tell me he hadn’t been toking/snorting/shooting-up…or maybe he was just rat-arsed? https://youtu.be/ioGhKmWVhMU |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Oct 22 - 01:33 PM Like Oliver Reed on Parkie - Tired and over emotional :-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 18 Oct 22 - 06:41 AM I've just seen Jeremy *unt described as "the power behind the drone." :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Georgiansilver Date: 18 Oct 22 - 07:10 AM So it appears that Boris may return to power....... when Truss goes!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 19 Oct 22 - 05:52 AM A great below-the-line post in today's Guardian: State of the NHS in May 2010. Waiting times. Median waiting time for inpatient was 8.9weeks. Median waiting time for out patients 4.1 weeks. Outatients waiting longer than 18 weeks fell from 23% in2007 to 2.5% by May 2010. Inpatients waiting longer than 18 weeks 52% in2007 to 10% in May 2010. In 2010 2.5million people were waiting for treatment within the NHS. A&E waiting times were such that only 5% of admissions waited longer than 4hrs in 2010. There were 152,000 hospital beds in the NHS in2010. State of the NHS in 2019 4.9 million people on nhs waiting lists. 22% of people now waiting more than 18 weeks for treatment. There are now 140,000 hospital beds in the NHS. In 2019 a peak of 25% of people waiting more than 4hrs in A&E was achieved. Few things. I've chosen 2019 because it was pre-pandemic and so un-sullied by covid. Unfortunately every one of those measures has only got substantially worse. It's proven really quite difficult to find separate median inpatient and out patients data for 2019 unlike 2010. |