Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Gervase Date: 17 Nov 08 - 12:52 PM On this thread he's certainly a master baiter. Shame workshy WAV can't match him, really. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: olddude Date: 17 Nov 08 - 12:47 PM Spaw you never cease to make me laugh to tears. No one cuts to the chase better then you. God Bless you my friend. I always thought you should do stand up along with being a master musician... I would buy the ticket in a heartbeat Dan |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River Date: 17 Nov 08 - 12:19 PM Yeah? Well he could not of flippin' come up with none of them fellashio methuds that you did not, like, have flippin' well masttered yerself a long ways back, eh, Catspoop? You rude flippin' looser boy. You are a flippni' enbarrissmend, man, to yer hole flippin' comyunity, I betcha! I bet there ain't a dog in yer town that don't run fer cover when it sees you flippin' comin' down the street, know'm sayin'? You suck, man. You are the rudest flippin' A-hole flipface boltheaded corkpuller that ever flipped a dead groundhog and you aught to be band from the flippin' Innternet for mortal indesensy. - Shane |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: catspaw49 Date: 17 Nov 08 - 11:39 AM I've suggested before that Wavyfunkywhiteboyracist's video is hard to understand. I have never seen anyone wallow a recorder around so much and I'm thinking its more probable he's demonstrating fellatio techniques. Spaw |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Mooh Date: 17 Nov 08 - 11:12 AM Will...That was loads of fun, nice goin'...but I can wait for my own grandkids, lol! David...That was very odd, but maybe silent movies are your forte. I suggest you spend all your time on silent pursuits. Peace, Mooh. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Gervase Date: 17 Nov 08 - 04:36 AM Oh dear; that video should at least come with a warning. Watching it I felt I was drifting into the arena of the unwell. But on a happier note - some superb videos there Will. Inspirational stuff. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 17 Nov 08 - 04:24 AM Mr Beard....You are a sad sad man. Thought I was going to see some audio/visual magic....You Swine!!! |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Jack Blandiver Date: 17 Nov 08 - 04:12 AM When it comes to the problem of sound mixing / editing in video, I think this one gets it just about bang on: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T_221BH9pNE Otherwise, loved your Blue Heaven, Will & nice to see how it was done too. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 17 Nov 08 - 04:09 AM Me too!! Took the early bath 2 years ago after 33 years, and seeing the way The Beeb seems to be going I'm glad I did!. Luckily working for the Radio Music depts, I came in touch with some of the most wonderful musicians on the planet. Of every genre. What a great way to spend your career. I was truly blessed! Kind Regards Ralphie. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Stu Date: 17 Nov 08 - 04:07 AM Excellent Will! |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Will Fly Date: 17 Nov 08 - 03:53 AM Thanks Ralphie - glad it was good for a laugh! My years at the Beeb watching colleagues doing sound mixing (many, many years ago) weren't wasted then. I worked in what was the old Information Services Division, but most of my Beeb friends were producers and/or musicians. Glad I don't work there now though... Regards, Will |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 17 Nov 08 - 03:47 AM Hi Will. Have never met you, but your version of Blue Heaven was sublime! On another thread Joe Offer is asking why people like the "Cat" for some article or other. I'd point him in the direction of your clip!! Thanks for posting it. Rest assured that everyone will get the humour with which it was done........Except One!!! (wonder who that could be?) As for the sound mix. As a professional, it sounded as fine as anything on the Web can. More power to you and your family, Keep on keeping on. Regards and thanks for brightening my day. Ralphie. And Wav. If you didn't get it, there really is no hope for you. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Will Fly Date: 17 Nov 08 - 03:47 AM s&r, Don, olddude, Smokey, Little Hawk, Spaw - thanks. Well, there you have it: 44 years of dedication to my craft and I end up trying to make out with a stuffed bear and being lectured on production values by a stuffed owl. Way to go... But, if the stuffed owl happens to be reading this, let me explain how this 2 minutes of "silliness" came about. 01. Laid down a hi-hat backing track 02. Laid down fingerstyle guitar track 03. Laid down acoustic bass guitar track 04. Laid down vocal track 1 05. Laid down vocal track 2 06. Laid down vocal track 3 07. Bounced vocal tracks down to 1 track 08. Laid down muted trumpet track 09. Laid down distorted guitar track 10. Mixed down all tracks, excluding hi-hat, and dumped to Mac Book Pro using Audacity 11. Filmed guitar & vocal (shot 1) - lip-synched to playback 12. Filmed whistle shot (shot 2) - mime-synched to playback 13. Filmed uke shot (shot 3) - mime-synched to playback 14. Filmed bear shot (shot 4) - lip-synched to playback 15. Dumped filmed shots to Mac Book using iMovie 16. Created mp3 of audio with Audacity and imported into iMovie 17. Cut and mixed video shots with cross-fades to audio track in iMovie 18. Added credits 19. Mixed down to high-quality Quicktime 20. Uploaded to YouTube and Vimeo Easy, wasn't it? All that for 2 minutes of fun. The point, me old stuffed owl, is that you have to spend time learning your trade, making your musical bones, before you pontificate on what should and shouldn't be. All sorts of fish swim in the Mudcat pond. There are whales out there. I'm just a medium-sized shark but you're just the teensiest of tiddlers. You should remember that before you start your lecture tour. Will |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: catspaw49 Date: 16 Nov 08 - 10:27 PM Will Fly......An absolutely wonderful piece. Great old song too! I've had about 8 or 9 people over this weekend and I've shown all of them the video. They're quite used to me doing this btw, and I'm a nutcase myself (ask around here for instance)..........EVERY ONE OF THEM just loved it and figure you are running for "Neatest Grandpa." Makes me wish I had some but sadly, I'm probably about the same age as you are but I'm still raising the first ones! And Wavyfunkywhiteboyracist.........Your response to WF is totally laughable jackass.....You couldn't have been serious. Just in case you were and IF you were.......Fuckoff numbnuts. Spaw |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Don Firth Date: 16 Nov 08 - 10:06 PM Fun, Will. Now that's entertainment! I especially like your nose picking--of the uke. Some people play by note, some play by ear, and some are even more versatile than that! Don Firth |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 16 Nov 08 - 07:20 PM Aha - 1300 |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 16 Nov 08 - 07:19 PM WaV - why don't you record your version of that song and show us all how it should be done? Let's hear if it sounds better unaccompanied and sung with a proper folk voice. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 16 Nov 08 - 06:33 PM "Frankly, Will, I personally wasn't in "Heaven" with your recording - your voice, e.g., is very much in the background, and I'd much rather listen to a good folk voice unaccompanied or in the foreground of the musical mix." WaV, you're a grade one prat. No skill, no heart, no manners, no sense of humour, no point. Keep up the masturbation, it seems to be all you're good at. As I said, Will - lucky grandson, and your affection speaks volumes through that video. I fear WaV is not capable of appreciating such things. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Nov 08 - 06:00 PM That's a nice video, Will. I like the guitar playing. Very smooth and adept. As for your mastery of the recorder, well....breathtaking! ;-) |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: olddude Date: 16 Nov 08 - 12:11 PM Will I always very much enjoy your music. I regard you as one of the masters on mudcat. I think your music is amazing myself keep putting it up Dan |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Will Fly Date: 16 Nov 08 - 11:00 AM Will - some nice stuff on your website. Ive bookmarked it: I teach, and I'd like to use a couple of your tabs if thats OK? Stu My pleasure - that's what it's there for. Take whatever you want. Will |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: s&r Date: 16 Nov 08 - 10:58 AM Will - some nice stuff on your website. Ive bookmarked it: I teach, and I'd like to use a couple of your tabs if thats OK? Stu |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: s&r Date: 16 Nov 08 - 10:23 AM Compare and contrast... Example 1 Example 2 Stu |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Will Fly Date: 16 Nov 08 - 10:11 AM Well of course you wouldn't like it, you pillock - that was the whole point of directing you to it! It was made for my grandson, but I hope you took in the lessons of the whistle solo... Actually, if you think the voice is too much in the background, then either your ears or your equipment is seriously faulty. It's FUN, idiot! Which is what most music should have within it - the power to entertain and amuse and be frivolous - not just be a fucking nationalistic "statement" within some bigoted cultural envelope. Your reaction, which was utterly predictable, just demonstrates what a cloth head you are. Humourless, pedantic, monomanic, pedestrian and dull - all of which, coupled to your idiotic nationalistic views, makes you a pretty sad specimen. All of which has been said over 1,000 times already by the assorted 'Catters on this thread and others. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 16 Nov 08 - 09:32 AM Frankly, Will, I personally wasn't in "Heaven" with your recording - your voice, e.g., is very much in the background, and I'd much rather listen to a good folk voice unaccompanied or in the foreground of the musical mix. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Dave Hanson Date: 16 Nov 08 - 03:11 AM Don't listen to them WAV, masturbating is merely having sex with your best [ only ? ] friend. eric |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: olddude Date: 15 Nov 08 - 07:25 PM HUH ! |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: s&r Date: 15 Nov 08 - 07:15 PM With my poems, my precious poems My A4 poems of forty lands I share my thoughts my precious thoughts With those who read my own web page There are some folk impoverished folk Without computers - factory hands? Their lives I charm: enrich and charm I take my paperback on stage and read them all my poems My precious poems Stu |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Nov 08 - 05:54 PM Yes Gervase, either them or Rosey Palm and her 4 daughters. In any case, Wavyfunkywhiteboyracist is a jagov. Spaw |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 15 Nov 08 - 05:02 PM I think he does it while he's reading this forum.. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Gervase Date: 15 Nov 08 - 05:00 PM I think his girlfriend is one Thomasina Thumb, helped by her four sisters. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 15 Nov 08 - 04:40 PM I think he's more into self-inflation.. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Don Firth Date: 15 Nov 08 - 04:08 PM ROTFLMAO!!! Bloody Brilliant, guys!! If response to The David can inspire work like this, then it may be that he does indeed serve some purpose on this planet other than merely sucking up tax money and wasting internet band-width. I'll be snorting and cackling for the rest of the day! And probably well into next week! And YOU, David, are STILL trying to brand ME as a racist? That would be almost as funny were it not such an abjectly pathetic attempt to divert attention from your own blatant bigotry. Don Firth P. S. Someone suggested somewhere that the main reason David is here is that he's trying to find a girl friend. If he does, can someone who lives near him take a bicycle pump over to where he lives and help him blow her up? |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Nov 08 - 04:07 PM Dum, dum, diddy, diddy, dum, dum, daaaa-dum! Dum, dum, diddy, diddy, dum, dum, daaaa-dum! DUM! Da-da-da-dum... DUM! Da-da-da-dum... Diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, da-da-da-da-daaaaa-dum! (Repeat the above merrily over and over again on the circus calliope. It is guaranteed to brighten up your day.) |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 15 Nov 08 - 03:06 PM Solly Will, I see now it's a frageoret, not a frute - before you quite lightly collect me. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:30 PM WaV - Just how did the didgeridoo get to be a "famous Aboriginal instrument"? |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:13 PM 'Kin brilliant, Will, your grandson's lucky to have you. Mind you, I'm not sure you frute technique is quite correct - you didn't learn it from a foreigner, did you? |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Will Fly Date: 15 Nov 08 - 10:01 AM David - I've just posted a video on YouTube - it's a song from the WF (Will Fly) Trad called My Blue Heaven. I play the second chorus on a high whistle in D - you might find some tips there for your own recorder playing. The 3rd chorus is dedicated to that great folksinger J. Hendrix, and the fourth and last chorus is a duet with a Chinese immigrant. Watch, listen and learn. It's at: My Blue Heaven |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Dave Hanson Date: 15 Nov 08 - 09:15 AM I drank deeply, Of beer newly drawn from the wood, I ate fish freshly caught from the deep blue sea, And potatoes from the good English earth, The I puked it all back up, Feck. eric |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: s&r Date: 15 Nov 08 - 07:56 AM Supper The chips I bought from local shop Gold and crisp with the sparkle of salt and the acid tang of non brewed condiment The paper bag, greaseproof, and transparent where beef dripping gave lie to its feature And above The shoal of gulls following the bait in my hand The mackerel of the sky Waiting for the jetsam of the tourist Stu (inspired by a line of WAV...) |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Gervase Date: 15 Nov 08 - 07:41 AM with my poems, I take my paperback on stage and read them My God, that conjures up a vision of sheer bloody hell! |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: s&r Date: 15 Nov 08 - 06:22 AM Love it Sean. Over the head I think.. Stu |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Jack Blandiver Date: 15 Nov 08 - 05:37 AM Account for the foibles of the poetic muse that whilst so fickle in having deserted you, has nevertheless left you forever beguiled by her spoils, however so Narcissistically. Account also for objectivism, even at the remove of these several & ever receding years whereby you might still find this not only only worthy of your own attention, but also of ours. From whither this perplexing vanity whereby all you inspire is the derision and abuse that, no doubt, ascends you to the status of the misunderstood martyr; one so noble as to be forever at odds with his times for the very best of reasons whilst awaiting his glorious day... |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 15 Nov 08 - 05:35 AM Good Grief Franks. Just go away. We're not interested in visiting your links. We already have, and once was enough for me. And any performer who admits to taking a notebook on stage as an aide memoire, obviously can't be bothered to learn his own material. I did it once but I was 16 at the time. Mea Culpa. And as for your temerity in dissing talented and kind people like Don and Eliza. God you've go some balls to do that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Now, Go Away, and take your pathetic doggerel with you. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 15 Nov 08 - 05:06 AM Don (who called a recorder made in Japan an "Engrish frute" and a famous Aboriginal instrument a "didgeridon't" before also falsely calling me - who has only questioned the act of immigration itself - "bigotted" and "racist", and also just tried falsely putting words in my mouth), the above link leads to a list of other publications in which my poems have been printed - which, if you wish, you can get to via the link below. IB: because I've committed my repertoire of chants, songs, and hymns (use same link) to memory, I try to get through them once a week; but, with my poems, I take my paperback on stage and read them - thus, I only go through them once a year. And to crude Catspaw - it's you, NOT I, who has used terms such as "whiteboy". THE WEEKLY WALKABOUT, E.G. (Also on my myspace playlist so, if you'd like to hear it read, again use below link.) Poem 187 of 230: A SOUTH SHIELDS WALKABOUT - AUTUMN 2001 Out of the museum-and-gallery (Wiser on Cookson and the local way), Down Ocean Road with, to the right of me, Its eateries and, left, neat places to stay; Before, on either side, Marine Parks - The southern-one a most beautiful place, Teeming with moorhens, swans, grebes and mallards In a small lake at a scenic-hill's base. Then (holding chips from the parade's cafe And, thus, a flock of gulls squawking above) Onto the South Pier I made my way: Seeing seaweed over rocks - like a glove - And high-and-dry sands held from transgression By growth of grass and the weaving of wood, Plus, in the dim light of a sleepy sun, Fishing boats returning to Tynemouth's hood. From walkaboutsverse.741.com |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Don Firth Date: 14 Nov 08 - 03:36 PM "I have been published elsewhere. . . ." Once—yet again!—you link to your own site, claiming that you have been "published elsewhere." That's hardly "published" in the usually accepted sense of the word. Pathetic! Hell, by that standard, I could put a sign in my front window and claim that I'm "published." But I don't have to do that, however, because I have been published: one article in Sing Out! Magazine some years back, and some sixteen articles in Victory Review. These are magazines that are printed and distributed to the public, containing articles that I have written which have been vetted and approved by editors. That's what is usually meant by the word "published." So you don't consider yourself a racist despite your bigoted philosophy. You object to the presence in England of those dark-skinned people with their Jamaican, Pakistani, Indian, Kenyan and South African accents who have inundated your good English air with the smell of curry and other exotic aromas wafting out of restaurants, and who actually take jobs that you can't muster the ambition to go out an apply for because, after all, it's so much easier to live on the dole (that their taxes are paying for) and sit there at home playing your "English flute," and then you whine about how they are polluting your "good English culture." "Oh, they're perfectly nice people—in their own countries. But I don't want them living in my country!" No matter how you slice it, that's bigotry. And then you try to imply that I am bigoted because of a touch of whimsy ("Engrish frute"). They are not words I use in everyday conversation. It was strictly ad hoc, and it was a joke, in case you missed it. And I presume that you're trying to imply that my play on words with "didgeridoo" indicates that I am being disrespectful of Indigenous Australians (whom you keep calling "Aborigines," which many Indigenous Australians find patronizing and offensive). You'll have to explain how you came up with that, because it's certainly reaching for straws. Regarding jokes making use of dialects: Those who know me know that there is nothing racist or disrespectful about telling the occasional dialect joke, or about me. Many comedians base their humor on the use of dialects, and although I don't regard myself as a comedian, I am not above telling an occasional joke in appropriate circumstances. I have a good friend of the Jewish persuasion from whom I have learned a fairly extensive repertoire of Jewish jokes, most of which incorporated or rely on the use of dialect. At a party when the jokes are going 'round, he will often ask me to tell a joke that I learned from him—because, despite the fact that I am not Jewish myself, I can do a better Jewish accent than he can! Does that make me anti-Semitic? I don't think so!! I also have a sizeable repertoire of "Lord Chumley" jokes that I learned from an English friend of mine, and I tell them with a fairly broad English accent. In fact, he and I sometimes did them together, with him playing Chumley and me playing Chumley's man-servant, Meadows ("Jolly good, sir! You got him on the rise!"). Does that make me anti-English. No, indeed! If our circumstances allowed, both my wife and I could live very happily in England and could be very easily persuaded to do so. But then, of course, we would be polluting David's "good English culture" with our barbaric American presence. A good singer also needs to be a good actor. And actors assume accents all the time as an integral part of their art. And this, in no way, indicates that they are "racist" or are showing any disrespect whatsoever to the ethnic or national group whose accent they assume. British actor Hugh Laurie (Bertie Wooster) is currently playing an idiosyncratic doctor in an American television medical drama entitle "House." He has assumed an American accent for the role, and he does it so well that most people who are not familiar with his previous work are unaware that he is English. Because he can and does affect an American accent, only a total horse's ass would assume that he is being bigoted or disrespectful toward Americans by doing so. And by the way, whether I am—or anyone else here is—a racist or not has nothing to do with the fact that, by your own utterances, you have established beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: catspaw49 Date: 14 Nov 08 - 03:27 PM He'd like to stay in touch with his dick but its so miniscule he hasn't been able to find it in 14 years and pisses his pants several times everyday. WAVYFUNKYWHITEBOYRACIST....Look Dumbass....Your own words have spoken for you and are clear and readily interpreted by all. YOU ARE A RACIST! You can't defend what you already admit. There's no explaining it away. And as far as reviewing your trashy-ass lifeshit, try reading it backwards and the you can see the words pop right out...... David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot, David Franks is a racist-bigot Spaw |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Jack Blandiver Date: 14 Nov 08 - 03:05 PM I read through all 230 poems once a year to keep in touch Keep in touch with what exactly? |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Phil Edwards Date: 14 Nov 08 - 02:22 PM WAV bingo revised. Every time WAV says "I've only questioned the act of immigration itself" or "I genuinely believe my way is a good way forward for humanity" or "I do love the world being multicultural" or "nationalism with eco-travel and fair-trade is good for humanity" or even "Racism is when you say they are all like this or that." we... ignore him. If he wants to yank our collective chain, he's going to have to do what the rest of us do from time to time and find different words to use. We've heard all of these. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 14 Nov 08 - 01:28 PM Will - following self-publication, as an amateur, I have been published elsewhere, and some have liked some of my verses. And "WA Vinci Code!" is a new one, "WAVaholics" an old one. Smokey - yes I've retired from versification, having said what I wanted to...for what it's worth, I read through all 230 poems once a year to keep in touch, sometimes making minor changes. "But of course, like all racists, he denies being a racist." (Don)...I've only questioned the act of immigration itself, and have never used terms such as "Engrish frute" or "didgeridon't" (Don Firth). You keep attacking, I have to keep defending. And I'm not doing it for "laughs", LH (and others) - I genuinely believe my way is a good way forward for humanity. And IB - since you posted that about me, I have to remind that you also concluded that New Labour are "all mother fuckers". |
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