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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 04:48 PM Ron, I'm simply saying that you are taking a certain status quo for granted. It has never been replaced in your lifetime and you've become used to it, but it could be replaced by something considerably better. It's foolish to say that it can't be improved upon or replaced. It's downright asinine to think that it's already better than any other possible alternative. I suggest not taking it for granted. A monkey in a cage cannot truly grasp freedom until he can see beyond the boundaries of the accustomed cage he's living in. But if he's been told all his life that he is free and he doesn't see beyond the cage, then he'll probably believe he's free, won't he? He'll talk about how wonderful it is that he is living free, unlike those other poor monkeys in their cages across the sea. That is the present condition of the American public. Monkeys in a giant cage, patting themselves on the back because they are so "free", believing their own ancient mythology of liberty and freedom, voting for whatever politician mouths those ancient cliches most convincingly and looks the part of the big Daddy/Mommy figure they are longing for to watch over them and keep them safe...from the other bad monkeys across the sea. Sad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 08 Sep 08 - 04:37 PM "No, you've yet to see a replacement, period." with???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 04:34 PM No, you've yet to see a replacement, period. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Big Mick Date: 08 Sep 08 - 04:32 PM 57 days to go ..... and Hockey Mom won't be able to duck the questions for more than about a quarter of that. My prediction from the other thread stands. This bold move/risky gamble will blow up in McOldDude's face. The Sunday morning talking heads are just salivating all over themselves waiting for the moment when they get the chance to pointedly ask the questions, and hold this flash in the pan to her account for her positions. You will all remember this election for a long time...... Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 08 Sep 08 - 04:28 PM "You'd be better off just choosing new leadership by lots from a pool of nonpartisan and qualified individuals and having no damn campaign at all. Much better off, in all probability. " A pool is a pool is a pool. Who determines who swims in the pool? Every qualified swimmer can not fit. Everyone keeps knocking the existing model, but I have yet to see a replacement that is not full of worse problems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 04:23 PM Well, Amos, I just find it amusing when the self-righteous adopt the same kind of smear tactics used by the very people they despise the most... ;-) But, hey, it's an American election, right? The maintenance of the ruling system depends on dividing your public into two partisan lots of angry people who eternally war with and detest one another, so this is standard fare, right? Any you'd be a wimp or a sap or a sucker not to join in and fling the mud with the rest of 'em, right? Go to it, old pal. ;-) I bet she not only thinks she can pray gays into being straight, but she probably has some even more horrible skeletons in the closet just waiting to be uncovered. Yessiree. Blood drinking. Human sacrifice. Animal abuse. Slavery. Arson. Insurance fraud. Income tax evasion. Cheating on college entrance exams. Faking orgasms. Conspiracy to sell the planet off to extraterrestrial brain-suckers! Child abuse! Ummm...boy! Gonna be a lively September and October, I can see that. Do you see how your whole election process quickly and surely drags you all deeper and deeper into the hole you're already in? You'd be better off just choosing new leadership by lots from a pool of nonpartisan and qualified individuals and having no damn campaign at all. Much better off, in all probability. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: dick greenhaus Date: 08 Sep 08 - 04:21 PM Wasn't it Adlai Stevenson who spoke of "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory"? The people are beginning to realize that the only way to get rid of a corrupt, misguided, incompetent Republican administration is to vote for another Republican. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Bill D Date: 08 Sep 08 - 04:15 PM There is flatly no sensible reason for this short-term governor/hockey mom to get this much boost and cause changes in the polls. What it shows is that there are FAR too many people who do not need or want a 'sane' reason....they just want an excuse to ratify their mistake in voting Republican last time. I cannot even joke about it...there is nothing funny about ignorance and silly images driving voter preferences when the stakes are this high. I'd probably better not say much more....I cannot comprehend why the Democrats do not have a 15-20% lead now: and I don't think I want to contemplate the superficiality of the minds who can look at this narrow-minded woman and think that TWO weak candidates add up to one strong one! Y'all have fun..., |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: kendall Date: 08 Sep 08 - 04:08 PM "There is nothing more scary than ignorance in action." (Goethe) |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Bobert Date: 08 Sep 08 - 03:59 PM Man, I'm havin' a hard time keepin' you folks in line here... Now, come on... All together now... Two bits, four bits, six bits, a dollar... All for Soccer Mom stand up and holler... Now don'tcha all feel better??? I sho nuff do... Man, I can't wait fir her to show up at that first cabinate meeting with the moose gun... America ain't had this much fun since Andrew Jackson... Maybe they'll start teaching the "Rebel Yell" in schools to take palce of that commie sex education... Hey, I din't need no sex education when I was 16... I just needed sex... Still could use a little, come to think of it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 03:43 PM I'm starting to have an opinion that the Republicans will find that Palin was not a good choice for their VP nominee. While she can energize the Republican base, it will ultimately be far too easy to show that she is an ultra right-wing religious zealot who is in bed with big business, and also a tax/borrow and spend big government politician. I think that, ultimately, this will alienate the majority of swing voters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Amos Date: 08 Sep 08 - 03:13 PM The crossfire that was aimed at Barack Obama on the basis of his attendance at a church by the Republican media hacks has established this test of American candidates, Little Hawk. We are not discussing logic or law, but PR tactics/ When Hannity started spreading those infamous clips, out of context, and creating all that faklse outrage, he opened Pandora's box. If Palin's church believes it can "pray gays straight" then the chances are good the idea would have some appeal to Palin as well. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Bobert Date: 08 Sep 08 - 03:09 PM Now that's the spirit, LH... Now if we can get Amos on board we'll be movin' in the right direction... Seein' as he's one of them left coasters maybe he could shoot the moose with bong hit... Yeah, just walk up to Bullwinkle, take a bong hit and blow the smoke in the mooses's face.... Ain't quite like a burnin' face but what the heck... Ya gotta start somewhere... "Hey" to the dachshound... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Amos Date: 08 Sep 08 - 03:07 PM L:H: That assumes you could hit him. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Claymore Date: 08 Sep 08 - 03:05 PM Gotta go but final comment is that I would recommend to the McCain people that they also take the "First Dude" and have him show up at every NASCAR race and hockey game possible between now and Election day. Obama has a neat jump shot but if he can only throw gutter balls, he won't stand a chance at these events. And Biden will have to steal a whole new speech from Neal Kinnock as those folks think that Delaware is a cheap plastic container... come to think of it... naaah! |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:58 PM If I found a moose in my backyard menacing the dachshund, Bobert, I would have to resort to drastic measures. I have an old percussion cap muzzle loader here in good operating order. That moose would never know what hit him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:55 PM " People get out of your way when your face is on fire". Yeah, I bet they do, Claymore... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Bobert Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:52 PM Yo, LH, Word on the street is that Obama did try to sign up to becoema fighter pilot back during Nam but they weren't yet takin' 8 year olds... Purdy small minded, I'd say... Ahhhhh, as fir moose huntin', I ain't nevr shot one either but if one comes outta the mountain and get's in the P-Vine's gardens he's gonna get the gun... BTW, we hunt deer in these parts but the weapon of choice is the Nissan Altima... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:51 PM I am inferring that the only reason someone would make an unfounded accusation about Obama using crack would be because he is Black. Nobody makes those kinds of comments about white people. It's a pretty standard racist comment about Black people. I have seen no credible documentation saying that he has used crack. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:48 PM Amos, it doesn't matter what Sarah Palin's church is doing or saying any more than it matters what Obama's church is doing or saying, okay? Not unless you believe in guilt by association. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Amos Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:47 PM Bush, Cheney give Palin thumbs-up 1 hour ago ROME (AP) — There's nothing stopping Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin from serving well in the White House, according to the men who now hold the nation's highest offices. "She's had executive experience, and that's what it takes to be a capable person in here in Washington, D.C. in the executive branch," President Bush said in an interview to air Tuesdsay on Fox News Channel's "Fox and Friends." "John McCain made an inspired pick," Bush added. Meanwhile, Vice President Dick Cheney told reporters in Rome on Monday that he "loved" Palin's speech to the Republican National Convention, which he watched "with great interest." Cheney laughed when he recounted her line about the difference between hockey moms and pit bulls being a coat of lipstick. "I thought her appearance at the convention was superb," Cheney said. Asked whether he thought Palin could handle the No. 2 job under a president John McCain, he added: "Everybody brings a different set of experiences to the office and also a different kind of understanding with whoever the president is," Cheney said during remarks at the residence of U.S. Ambassador to Italy Ronald P. Spogli. "Each administration is different. And there's no reason why Sarah Palin can't be a successful vice president in a McCain administration," he added. Such a White House, he said, "won't look exactly like the Bush administration or the first Bush administration, the Ford administration. It'll be relatively unique to this president and this time that they're in office." |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Claymore Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:47 PM CarolC: Are you inferring that only African-Americans smoke crack? You are offically now at odds with the NAACP and the US Sentencing committee. Incidently the Washington Post biographical article of Obama (August 24, Special Insert pages A21-28) discusses Obamas drug use and quotes one of his long-time friends "We did a lot of dope, if he hadn't of written about it (Obamas book) it would have been a disaster". And if you were referring to Kerry as a war hero, please encourage him to sign his SF (Standard Form) 180 so we can finally find out who put him in for his Silver Star and three purple hearts in a total of ninty days in country... Little Hawk: As I recall, the Alaskan trooper who is in embroiled in the Palin affair was found guilty of shooting a moose from his cruiser and then (horrors) using his wifes hunting license to tag it. Do not shoot from a car; that moose could be on a leash in someones yard. And no, as I posted on a comment on Clinton some 9 years ago, I do not believe military service qualifies anyone for or against the presidency. But as Richard Pryor once said " People get out of your way when your face is on fire". |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Amos Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:43 PM Gov. Sarah Palin's church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: katlaughing Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:18 PM I guess. I forgot to say, being a soccer mom may work against her with people in poverty/low income area, both rural and urban. There can be resentment towards what is seen as and elite/chic sport. As least that's the way it has been where we have lived both back East and out West. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:17 PM But even the ones who did serve in a war will be attacked if it serves the Republicans' agenda to do so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:13 PM She's not inferring it, Kat, she's implying it. In so doing she is doing the standard, typical, contemptible thing that is always done in USA politics if there's any opportunity to do it. Any candidate who has not served in a war will be attacked in this fashion. It's ridiculous, it's unfair, it's irrelevant, and it's as predictable as the events in a Road Runner cartoon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:12 PM The Squirrel and Moose were commies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: katlaughing Date: 08 Sep 08 - 02:07 PM I don't know about anyone else, but I am getting tired of the bitch inferring that one has to have served in a war in order to qualify to serve as president: "There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you, and that man is John McCain," she said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:55 PM By the way, I saw an ad in which Bullwinkle is protesting Sarah Palin's moose-hunting credentials. I always knew that stupid moose was a closet liberal, to say nothing of his squirrely friend with the flying helmet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:49 PM I'm remembering conversations I had with the poster with the crack pipe comment, back during the 2000 election, in which I was told that McCain was a liberal and a Republican in name only. How times change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:48 PM Hey, Claymore...you feel Obama should be penalized for not having had to escape from a burning fighter plane or undergo torture by Communists??? Well, gee, I'm sure he would have been happy to have had the chance to experience either of those exciting situations firsthand, but fortune just wasn't that kind to him as to provide it. So the guy's just plain unlucky. I can forgive him for that. McCain's obviously the lucky kind that those sort of things happen to, and Obama isn't. But I CAN'T forgive Obama for never having shot a moose! All he had to do was just go get a gun, walk out into the woods, and go do it. There's no excuse for his lack of moose killing. None. I won't vote for a man who has never shot a moose. Forget it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:41 PM I think comments applied to Obama about crack pipes are pretty racist, myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:39 PM Well, I did say "way better", didn't I, pdq? ;-) What I mean is this...she's got the killer instinct. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Claymore Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:38 PM I suspect the Hockey Mom comment (which was an ad lib when the teleprompter failed) will serve her well in Minnesota and Wisconsin (both Battleground states). And if they take a map of the US and locate the Appalachian mountain range, from Pennsylvannia to North Carolina, and draw a line about 100 miles out from the foothills, which would include the Ohio valley and the Piedmont of Virginia; that is where she could single-handedly win the race for McCain. Incidently Bobert, it was good to see your words on the other thread. If you get the book about McCain, North, Webb and the other graduates of the Naval Academy during that period entitled "The Nightingales Song"; look up Don Moore in the index; Bob Timberg quoted me more than I knew. Finally I don't know if anyone has mentioned the accident on the carrier Forrestal off the Vietnam coast in 67. The video is fairly famous as a 3.5 "Zuni" rocket from another plane accidently cooks off and hits McCains plane in the fuel tank at the other end of the carrier. Through the hellish flame and explosions, McCain can be seen going hand over hand along his flaming planes nose to swing down into a lessor part of the flames and be put out by another deck hand, who later died in a following explosion. (Warning! Snide Comment Follows) Who knows, maybe Obama had the same experience during a back flash from a crack pipe... I don't know about you, but the debate I'm definitely watching is the Veeps. I think maybe McCain is bringing a wild cat to a dog-fight... And the quickest way to stop a dog from chasing a cat is to let him catch one... |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:37 PM Janet Reno is Dick Cheney's political doppelganger? I never realized... |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: pdq Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:32 PM "Dick Cheney in a skirt"(???) Argh. I think you are closer to describing Janet Reno. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:31 PM ...and hot. LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM Heh! Well, that's what I thought it was, Carol. I can't for the life of me see what it has to do with being qualified for public office though. Now, the moose hunting...that's different! I think that everyone who runs for public office should have blown away a moose or two in their time with a high-powered rifle. If they haven't, they're just not ready to lead! And that's why I think Obama's lack of moose-killing experience is probably the biggest thing he's got going against him right now (other than the fact that he's so obviously intelligent). ;-) What if the USA gets attacked at 3 AM by a rogue moose while Obama's on the watch, huh? What then? He'd probably sit down and have a nice talk with that moose and engage in a search for shared values, common ground, and mutual understanding. Well, I know what Sarah Palin would do, by God. She'd plug that goddamn moose right between the eyes. That woman is dangerous and she's not afraid to show it. That's the kind of person I WANT in the Oval Office (cough, cough...). Like Dick Cheney in a skirt...only way better in every way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:17 PM I was a t-ball mom for a little while, and also a den co-mother for a Cub Scout troop, and I would have to say that in real terms, being something like that has no relevance whatever to the job of being president or vice president. It's just a form of populism to make political hay on that one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Amos Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:16 PM "Extreme" describes Sarah's problems... |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:14 PM A hockey mom is a mom who drives kids around to hockey games and sits in the bleachers and cheers for their kids. It really does seem to matter to some people. One of my sisters is a soccer mom, and she loves Palin. Of course, my sister is also a right wing, born-again, end times Christian, so that's probably a part of it, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:06 PM I still want to know...what the hell is a "hockey mom"? And why does it matter? |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Sep 08 - 01:01 PM The increase in McCain-Palin support in polls shows that the public is beginning to think with their collective minds rather than cheering for another loser from an installment of American Idol. For Canadians, the McCain support for NAFTA is a big factor in their sideline activity. Go, McCain and Palin! Go, Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers! Who are the Houston Oilers? Didn't they die sometime ago? |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 08 Sep 08 - 12:42 PM "I bet she gets 100% of the votes of the people who think with their other head. " No, even the other head is sending out warning signs to stay away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: Peace Date: 08 Sep 08 - 12:08 PM I mentioned on a thread a few weeks back that she boded no good for the Dems. Anyone getting nervous yet? |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: katlaughing Date: 08 Sep 08 - 12:07 PM He should have an official food taster, probably! Now, they are after our daughters' minds: No more Barbies! |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 12:04 PM She's very ambitious. And quite ruthless. If I were a President McCain, with her as my VP, I would be very cautious. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: The Walrus Date: 08 Sep 08 - 12:02 PM Just think, she'll be one heart attack away from becoming the first female President of the USA. Is she ambitious? Can the VP be arrested for possession of a baloon and pin 'with intent'? W |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 11:55 AM Well, the heterosexual ones, anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: President Soccer Mom Surges in Polls.... From: CarolC Date: 08 Sep 08 - 11:50 AM I bet she gets 100% of the votes of the people who think with their other head. |
