BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 May 09 - 02:45 PM

"We can forgive those that bore us...we can never forgive those who We bore"

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 May 09 - 03:34 PM

LOL!!! That has to be one of the classic quotes of all time, GfS.   Who is the author?

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 May 09 - 03:56 PM

Oscar Wilde.

Who was gay.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Amos
Date: 20 May 09 - 04:31 PM

But, sadly, unmarried.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 May 09 - 04:38 PM

Excellent. Good quote from Oscar Wilde. We would all do well to meditate upon it frequently.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Emma B
Date: 20 May 09 - 04:57 PM

'In 1883, Irish-born Oscar Wilde returned to London bursting with exuberance from a year long lecture tour of the United States and Canada. Full of talent, passion and, most of all, full of himself, he courted and married the beautiful Constance Lloyd.'

The couple had two sons, Cyril (1885) and Vyvyan (1886).

'Cyril was killed in France in World War I. Vyvyan also served in the war and later became an author and translator. In 1954, he published his memoirs, entitled Son of Oscar Wilde, which relate the difficulties he and his family faced in the wake of his father's imprisonment.'

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: akenaton
Date: 20 May 09 - 05:23 PM

There is a massive link between aids and the practice of homosexuality....Even large numbers of homosexuals are now saying this.
I dont have to prove anything, but you have to prove that the link with homosexuality is no greater than any link with practicing heterosexuals.
If you fail to prove your point, this would suggest that homosexuality is a dangerous and unhealthy practice,and "marriage" between homosexuals should not be legalised in the same manner as incestuous "marriage" is not legalised.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage
From: Amos
Date: 20 May 09 - 05:34 PM

You're not paying attention.

Your assertion that the link is between the disease and homosexuality per se is off the mark, and cannot be justified. There is nothing inherent in the biology of gender that could possibly account for it. There is however a clear ans understandable vector in the nature of anal sex. The term "massive link" is semantically null. I doubt you will find any high-incidence link between same sex couples absent the anal vector, compared to comparable hetero conections. I'd be very surprised.

And no, the burden on proof of this case is on your assertion that homosexuality is the causative factor.

We should probably outlaw skydiving and gambling, while we are at it -- they are both dangerous practices, n'est-ce pas?

I would suggest that if your concern is public health, as you assert it is, that you put your energy into promoting condoms instead of trying to marginalize your fellow humans.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 May 09 - 07:00 PM

Just curious, Ake. Is there also a "massive link" between syphilis, gonorrhea, and genital herpes—and for that matter, AIDS—and promiscuous, unprotected heterosexual sex? There isn't? My, my! I'm sure that will be a great revelation to the public health service, because they tend to think otherwise.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage
From: Amos
Date: 20 May 09 - 07:21 PM

Oh, my gosh!! Don, I have seen the light here--we must get to work and ban marriage on BOTH sides. THAT will put an end to STDs once and for all!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 May 09 - 07:58 PM

I am not sure that Ake grasps the concept of statistics. He leapt on that 47% on the CDC pie-chart with inordinate glee. But does he fully understand that it is not saying that 47% of homosexual men are infected with HIV, it is saying that of all people infected with HIV, 47% of them are homosexual men.

To say the former is like saying the 100% of men have prostate cancer, when in actuality such a statistic is saying that, of those humans who have prostate cancer, 100% of them are men.

I leave it to Ake to work out why that is the case.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 May 09 - 08:25 PM

You all "leap with glee" on ANY scrap of info or wretched bit of sarcastic innuendo which you imagine might damage or embarass your various opponents in this discussion. You're silly, spiteful, vengeful people engaging in petty mutual character assassination to no useful end and wasting a lot of bandwidth here in the process. ;-) But at least it's giving me some daily amusement, so it's not all bad, eh?

We are rapidly approaching my predicted goal of 1300 posts. Go, team, go!

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 May 09 - 08:29 PM

Wait. Let me rephrase that to be more fair about it.

You're behaving like silly, spiteful, vengeful people engaging in petty mutual character assassination to no useful end and wasting a lot of bandwidth here in the process.

I wouldn't want to suggest that you are incapable of change or improvement in that respect...anyone can change their behaviour as soon as they decide to.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage
From: Amos
Date: 20 May 09 - 10:06 PM

Little Hawk:

You are behaving like a supercilious, patronizing, disengaged pseudo-intellectual with a superiority complex. Not that you ARE one, of course, and I wouldn't even dream of suggesting you couldn't change such behavior with the snap of your fingers. Anytime you decided to, you could, I am confident. But, that's how you are behaving.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 May 09 - 10:14 PM

You worry me not one whit, old pard. I have no difficulty engaging in self-criticism, as it is an essential part of the spiritual path. ;-)

I am recommending that you here who are busy personally attacking each other do what Barack Obama suggests in his recent superb address at Notre Dame: Stop demonizing the people on the other side of a debate. Stop turning them into caricatures. Stop insulting them and degrading their worth. Realize that they, just like you, are motivated by some genuinely legitimate concerns and ideals, and that they, just like you, wish the world to be a better place and all people to be happy and free.

Watch the Barack Obama address again. If you don't get it, watch it again. Then watch it again. Maybe you will someday realize the point he is so eloquently making.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage
From: Amos
Date: 20 May 09 - 10:29 PM

Tell you what, amigo. Tell me what your fees are, and when I need down-the-nose, pedantic and arbitrary moral instruction, I'll be sure and give you a call.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 09 - 01:58 AM

Little Hawk: "You're behaving like silly, spiteful, vengeful people engaging in petty mutual character assassination to no useful end and wasting a lot of bandwidth here in the process."

Guest from Sanity: "..the tip off is 'emotional immaturity'...."
Said, how long ago??

Your pedantic, emotionally charged, witless, rhetoric..once again proves my words 'correcto mundo',....again....along with..

Pelosi being a piece of crap.(About ready to face resignation over lying).
Corruption being the biggest cause of pseudo representative government.
Left wing and right wing are on the same 'bird'.
Parrots, squawking about WHAT to think instead of HOW to think.
Californians swinging away from their absolutely crappy, left wing state 'representatives'..with their vote yesterday!
You will see a further swing away from the left wing(except for the party leaders..President included) 'taken for granted' support for homosexual marriage.
Homosexuality not being genetic.
Homosexuality is a PSEUDO CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE...you may see mainstream America move away from it. (Tired of having it rammed into their faces).
Shit, you might as well engage me in an intelligent dialogue, instead of ..umm...whatever you call your neo-left, radical rants, along with twisted knickers lodged near your brains.
Hop aboard the 'clue train', sonny ..SNAP NOW AND AVOID THE RUSH!

OH! And Sanity has very little to do with today's politicians or politics!

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Peace
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:03 AM

Just dropped in to make sure everyone's gettin' along . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:38 AM

Stumbling out of the back of the ambulance, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Barry Finn
Date: 21 May 09 - 03:08 AM

So my take on the logic of some on this thread is that Lesbian Marriage is OK?

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 09 - 03:17 AM

I never thought homosexual marriage only meant men...

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: akenaton
Date: 21 May 09 - 03:55 AM

Barry,   Sex between women appears to produce few negative health issues, which is the main thrust of my argument.

However there are other issues concerning same sex "marriage" which many other folks see as a barrier and although I may not share their religious conviction, I do see that they have a valid point of view.

As Little Hawk has so eloquently pointed out some here care more for their ego than for the welfare of those they pretend to champion.

I am being generous in that assessment, inreality most of them are more interested in scoring worthless political points than in improving the diabolical homosexual health statistics.......which is simply criminal.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Barry Finn
Date: 21 May 09 - 04:04 AM

"There is a massive link between aids and the practice of homosexuality....Even large numbers of homosexuals are now saying this."

Recently a large group of politicians have been claiming that God speaks through them too, but it doesn't make what he say true of fact

Homosexuality is not just a civil rights issue, it has long been a human rights issue, so much so that they needed the protection under law (protection under genda basis & gay bashing), granted by the same law that denies them their right to same sex marriage. Can the law protect & discriminate at the same time? Can the law be an umbrella only when it rains? "NO"!

Your "normal" society has tried, after granting civil rights, to force Blacks to behave White, Woman at work to hide their idenities as Mothers (as well as asking them to act as men in the work place & then call them bitches when they do) & Gays to (don't ask, don't tell) act straight. "Your Normal" society does not really protect the minorities because "Your Normal Society" is bigoted, just as you are but to you that is "normal". What it is, is unjust, unfair & IMHO criminal.
As I mentioned in my privious post gay woman, by your logic must lead healthy lifestyles, they are low on the AIDS meter so they sould be able to marry, but wait that's a same sex issue too.
Is it that their "normal" sexual acts may meet with a more exceptable view in the eyes of a homohater as opposed to "2 guys takng it up the ass"?
Call yourself what you are.
You are who Blacks had to struggle to survive from, who Jews had to run from & who woman had to vote against. You are no different now than what you were 50 or 100 or 150 yrs ago. You make the lives of those who are different from you a course in survival trainning.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Barry Finn
Date: 21 May 09 - 04:07 AM

"religious conviction, I do see that they have a valid point of view"

What has civil & human rights got to do with religion? Civil & Human rights have been trampled on by Religions as well as Governments!

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: akenaton
Date: 21 May 09 - 04:32 AM

I'm sorry you feel that way about me Barry. I can only say that you are wrong, not in holding strong views, but in your assessment of me,as a person.
I don't include you among the egoists I described earlier, I know you care deeply about every word you write on this subject.....What more can I say?...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 09 - 04:47 AM

Ironic, how pro homosexuals find no problem discriminating against Christianity, even to the point of hatred, yet want to be accepted and sanctioned in their churches....slaps self on head...and all this time I was under the impression that they were so much against bigotry.
Makes you go 'Hmmmm'

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Amos
Date: 21 May 09 - 10:14 AM

I would like you to substantiate your wild-eyed remark by naming one instance where "pro-homosexuals" (whatever that means) sought to establish some kind of discriminatory infringement of the civil rights of Christians. I doubt you can find any. You are blathering and tossing about sweeping conclusions not supported by substance.

Unless I am wrong, in which case I am sure you will be able to speak specifically about what you mean.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 May 09 - 01:48 PM

I am debating the notion of what payment you could send, Amos, and I have not yet decided what would be best. I wouldn't be so crass as to ask you for money! Hmmm. How about some fresh California fruit sent by air for each bit of sage advice I can offer? I like pineapples and mangos.

I really think we need Barack Obama here to chair this discussion and get people to settle down a little. It would help a lot. I suspect, however, that he's got more important things to do... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: John P
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:13 PM

Jeez, we have perverts right here on Mudcat! Anyone who shows such an interest in other peoples' sex lives is really sick. Any conversation about homosexuality is a conversation about what other people are doing in bed. Really, really sick.

Perhaps we should talk about the sex lives of the homophobes here. GfS, what sorts of sexual activities do engage in? Please be very specific, since you seem to think it is OK to be specific about the sex lives of others. Akenaton, what about you? Are you a man or a woman? (and yes, it is my business, as much as anyone elses' sexuality is your business). Do you engage in oral sex? What about anal? Dress up? Any interesting fetishes?

Oh, you don't want to talk about your sex lives? Then shut the fuck up, you bigoted, sick bastards. I'm about sick to death of people trying to justify their bigotry with all sorts of weak arguments. It all just comes down to the fact that you don't like it. Hardly a good basis for making laws.

Sorry, I don't usually like resorting to name calling, but bigotry is bigotry and I refuse to countenance it. If you don't want to be called a sick bigoted bastard, don't be one.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: John P
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:17 PM

Sorry, Little Hawk, settling down in the face of injustice is just another way of supporting the injustice. We really shouldn't be settling down about this. Aren't you glad folks didn't settle down about civil rights for black folks in the 60s, or for women in the 70s?

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Amos
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:30 PM

Thanks, John. Let me chime in with this: LH, you may bemoan this thread is overlong, overzealous, or overwrought, but standing up for the kind of human decency and equality I am advocating is not something you settle down on, as John points out. Being aloof is great relaxation but it does not chop any wood or draw any water.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:48 PM

""I'm sorry you feel that way about me Barry. I can only say that you are wrong, not in holding strong views, but in your assessment of me,as a person.
I don't include you among the egoists I described earlier, I know you care deeply about every word you write on this subject.....What more can I say?...Ake""


So, are you going to tell each of us who individually takes you to task that you know we care deeply about......etc., or is there something special about Barry?

Tell me pal, just how do you decide who is sincere, and who is an egoist? I'd really like the lowdown on how long you've had this undisclosed talent for telepathy.

Perhaps you could enhance it by developing some EMPATHY for your fellow man, but I doubt that.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 May 09 - 03:01 PM

GfS, your ignorance of various matters is reaching monumental proportions.

"Ironic, how pro homosexuals find no problem discriminating against Christianity, even to the point of hatred. . . ."

You make a blanket statement like that, displaying total ignorance of the large number of main-line churches in the United States who have signed on to the "Affirmation of Welcome" statement. I'm sure you include me in your "pro homosexual" category, and yet you can say something like that after I have posted several bits of information on the Affirmation of Welcome.

Are you just not reading what I post, or do you have reading comprehension problems?

Educate yourself! Here is one example (out of legions) of a church who has adopted the affirmation. READ THE STATEMENT and stop yammering on about things you know nothing about.

####

Little Hawk, let me ask you this:

What would you say to someone like Aung San Suu Kyi?

Also, I presume that you are familiar with the well-known quotation by Pastor Martin Neimöller. If not, HERE IT IS.

What would you say to Pastor Neimöller?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: akenaton
Date: 21 May 09 - 04:30 PM

Yes Don there is something special about Barry....he is absolutely sincere.
I 'm sure he won't mind me saying that we have corresponded by PM on a few occasions, and I find him one of the best people on this forum.

We agree about many things but I am really sorry that this is one which we cannot agree on....I feel I may be losing somone who could have been a valued friend.

You Amos and Don Firth probably don't deserve to be given this information, you would all certainly be more at home in the company of Mr Peekstock, the foul mouthed idiot who now posts under John P.

He has a trunk full of second prizes on threads like these, he cannot debate and relies on personal abuse to try to intimidate the opposition.
He says.."Sorry, I don't usually resort to name calling"...he's a liar as well as an idiot. Check the other "gay" threads for a quick look at his M.O.
Really surprised at you Amos, as someone who understands debate, what do you have in common with that clown?

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 May 09 - 04:52 PM

And you, Ake, know absolutely nothing about Mr. Peekstok, save that he does not suffer fools gladly.

You are full of insults for people who do not agree with you or who call you on your faulty logic and biased interpretation of statistics, so your remarks about rational debate are a bit hollow. And then you bellow like a goosed moose when someone indicates thet they get the impression that you have your alimentary canal in backwards. You get especially nasty when someone calls it like it is.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Amos
Date: 21 May 09 - 05:09 PM

Ach, AKe, let us drop the ad hominem aspects of this discussion, as LH has asked; they add no merit. I felt John was being sincere, if impassioned, and see no reason to call him a liar. THere are many people in Mudcat town who resort to name calling much, much more readily than he.

I would point out for example that this thread was fairly civil until 30 Dec 08, when GfS began to assert that those who did not see things her way were stupid idiots, assholes, ignorant and arrogant, etc. Since then there have been lots of civil posts and a handful of uncivil ones, some of them from me, for which, as usual, I apologize.

I have no objection ifg, in your view, the unproven dynamics behind the phenomenon of honosexuality seem to be aberrations and even if they seem to be "chosen".   I don't think the existing evidence p[oints that way, but it is not a hard-proven issue, so extrapolate and hypothesize whichever way you like, for all o' me.

But you will not change the issue that Prop 8 was a mass effort to vote to deny certain core liberties to a certain minority. That's cut and dried.

'Nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 May 09 - 05:34 PM

And I have a horse in that same race, Ake. In Washington State where I live, Governor Gregoire has signed a domestic partnership bill into law. And the forces that put forth Prop 8 in California are now gathering to do the same thing here that they did in California.

It is, as Amos just said, another "mass effort to vote to deny certain core liberties to a certain minority."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:39 PM

Not too much time right now, but I'll reply to John P. who asked me:

"Aren't you glad folks didn't settle down about civil rights for black folks in the 60s, or for women in the 70s?"

Of course. I'm very glad of it. I'm also glad that gays can now openly be who they are in this society without fear. I am not suggesting for a moment that people should not fight for the rights of others who are discriminated against. I am not suggesting being aloof or standing apart from social issues. My greatest heroes are among those who did not stand aloof and apart. Joan Baez and Gandhi, for instance. They didn't stir up negative energy, however, by name-calling and insulting their opposition.

I suggest you listen to Barack Obama's entire address at Notre Dame, note how he conducts himself (specially when someone heckles him from the crowd), note what he advises people in any cultural or political debate to do in order to keep that debate productive, and take a few pointers from it. Accusing other people of being perverts and bigots is no useful contribution to a discussion.

And that's all I have time for right now. I'll get back to the rest later.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: John P
Date: 21 May 09 - 07:07 PM

Ake, you didn't share any details of your sexual practices with us. From this, I assume you are a hypocrite as well as a bigot, since you want privacy that you deny to others. I shouldn't be surprised, since you enjoy civil and human rights that you deny to others.

Unless you are willing to have your privacy invaded, you shouldn't invade the privacy of others. Unless you're willing to live without basic rights, you shouldn't deny them to others. It's not hard to understand. I'm just talking to you the same way that you talk to gay people. Deal.


Little Hawk, get real. Why do you think gay folks get to live their lives without fear? Look up Matthew Shepard and Lawrence King. A gay friend of mine recently had his house burned down by an anti-gay person. He came out of it owning half a pair of pajamas. Have you heard about all the gay folks who lose their belongings when their partner dies, because the family of the deceased comes in and just takes things? And this is after being barred from the hospital room because of not being "family". Do you really think gay folks don't get discriminated against in the job market?

The bigotry won't end until it is illegal and deeply frowned upon by society as whole. That was true of discrimination against blacks and women, and I see no evidence that it's not true for homosexuals as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 May 09 - 10:33 PM

Just got back from my local Safeway store, where, among other things, I browsed the magazine stand.

GfS and Ake, you two experts* might like to take a look at a special issue of Scientific American which is currently on the stands. Several articles on sex, the sexual brain, matters of sexual orientation.

Then again, you might not. Here, from the Scientific American web site is one of the articles, CLICKY, with links to several other articles on related subjects.

I think I just heard your tenny-runners screech to a halt.

But there are the latest findings, guys. Do you want to know? Or would you rather not?

*Footnote:   the word "expert" comes from two Latin words. "Ex" meaning "has been" and "spurt" being "a little drip under pressure."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage
From: Amos
Date: 21 May 09 - 10:58 PM

A short excerpt from the SciAm link above:

"Researchers using brain scans have found new evidence that biology—and not environment—is at the core of sexual orientation. Scientists at the Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA that gay men and straight women share similar traits—most notably in the size of their brains and the activity of the amygdala—an area of the brain tied to emotion, anxiety and aggression. The same is true for heterosexual men and lesbians.

Study author, neurologist Ivanka Savic–Berglund, says such characteristics would develop in the womb or in early infancy, meaning that psychological or environmental factors played little or no role.

"This is yet another in a long series of observations showing there's a biological reason for sexual orientation," says Dean Hamer, a molecular biologist at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), who was not involved in the study. "It's not just a reflection of people's behavior, nor is it a choice, nor is it something in their rearing environment. [The study] shows that it's something that people are born with.""

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 09 - 11:04 PM

Am I the only one who reads the posts from ALL the posters?..Jeez, scroll down and read the 'anti-Christian' rhetoric. Just another case of 'selective comprehension'

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage
From: Amos
Date: 21 May 09 - 11:19 PM

I am sure it feels that way, but its not an uncommon delusion.

Can you cite one specific point where someone tried to infringe on the civil rights of a Christian or Christians because they were "pro-homosexual"?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 May 09 - 12:54 AM

GfS, you add greatly to the contention that you have some sort of reading comprehension problem. I just did a search on the word "Christian" on this thread and other than a couple of people who are characteristically anti-religion, no one here, particularly "pro-homosexuals," have said anything to support what you are saying. If I missed one or more that do support what you are saying, you're going to have to point them out.

I am indeed against the fundamentalist Christians who feel they have the right to restrict the freedom of others on the grounds of their particular beliefs, but even if they are louder than more liberal Christians, they are most assuredly not representative of all Christians—although they want you to think they are.

Have you not read anything I've posted on the main stream churches who have adopted the "Affirmation of Welcome?" Or others here on this thread who, one way or another, have identified themselves as Christian who support same-sex marriage?

Apparently not.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 09 - 01:18 AM

GfS: Despite that we seem to differ on this issue, I gotta tell ya, you have a great sense of humour. I read your remark to my last post and if I'd had a mouthful of coffee, I would have sprayed it all over everywhere. Thank you. I needed the laugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Amos
Date: 22 May 09 - 10:28 AM

Seems like it wasn't "selective comprehension" so much as "slap-dash inaccurate impressionism", GfS.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Wesley S
Date: 22 May 09 - 10:50 AM

I have to wonder why y'all are still discussing an cuss'n this issue. It should be plain now that no one is going to change their mind. No one is going to have a V-8 moment and slap their forehead and say - "Now I understand - he's been right all along and I was wrong". So is there a point here other than getting the post count up over 1300?

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 May 09 - 11:00 AM

Peace, Yeah, we use to call that 'aerosol mouth'...it's great when you can get someone to do that in a restaurant!..sometimes, when they try real hard to 'hold it in' and try to laugh with a bunch of drink in their mouths, it just dribbles out..Love it!..Even better when they are formally dressed,..and there with their date!!..Shit, it's really cool if they try real hard, and it comes out of their noses!!!....Then the restaurant calls the ambulance, and all the crew stumbles out of the back of the ambulance.......and goes into a different building....What a score!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 May 09 - 11:01 AM

Wesley S, Probably...its wide open go for it!!

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Amos
Date: 22 May 09 - 11:06 AM

I dunno, Wes. Little Hawk kinda said we had to break 1300, so we're trying to find something more to say.

A