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Excellent Mudcat parody

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Surreysinger 27 Mar 09 - 07:01 AM
Surreysinger 27 Mar 09 - 07:02 AM
Vic Smith 27 Mar 09 - 07:06 AM
Will Fly 27 Mar 09 - 07:13 AM
GUEST,Ralphie 27 Mar 09 - 07:17 AM
The Borchester Echo 27 Mar 09 - 07:29 AM
The Sandman 27 Mar 09 - 07:59 AM
greg stephens 27 Mar 09 - 08:10 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Mar 09 - 08:17 AM
Vic Smith 27 Mar 09 - 08:33 AM
kendall 27 Mar 09 - 08:41 AM
GUEST,Ralphie 27 Mar 09 - 08:42 AM
TheSnail 27 Mar 09 - 08:45 AM
The Sandman 27 Mar 09 - 08:50 AM
The Sandman 27 Mar 09 - 08:51 AM
GUEST, topsie 27 Mar 09 - 08:52 AM
GUEST,Ralphie 27 Mar 09 - 08:54 AM
Big Mick 27 Mar 09 - 08:56 AM
The Sandman 27 Mar 09 - 08:57 AM
GUEST,Ralphie 27 Mar 09 - 09:02 AM
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The Borchester Echo 27 Mar 09 - 09:18 AM
TheSnail 27 Mar 09 - 09:18 AM
GUEST,Steve 27 Mar 09 - 09:19 AM
Big Mick 27 Mar 09 - 09:20 AM
MMario 27 Mar 09 - 09:45 AM
GUEST,Ralphie 27 Mar 09 - 09:48 AM
John MacKenzie 27 Mar 09 - 09:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:01 AM

Thin Seal ... that's so much nicer than the usual gastropod!

Thee Silenter


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:02 AM

Sorry - should have signed that off properly.

Surgery Siren


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Vic Smith
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:06 AM

Well said Ralph! If the folk scene is truly as bad as Diane constantly portrays it, why on earth does she bother with it at all? If one believes something is truly awful and incapable of remedy, then abandon it and get involved in something that does give you pleasure.

As a young man I was very involved in British left-wing politics. The internecine in-fighting of the various very small groups had to be experienced to be believed. I soon realised that these factions were going nowhere so I turned my back on them.

And this is where another parody comes in! There are some sections in The Life of Brian where the British Left is parodied as the various Judean liberation movements. I laughed hugely at these whilst realising that they were very close to the truth.

The British folk scene is riddled with hopeless amateurs and characters who do not realise how laughable they are; that is indisputable BUT the movement still stands as one of the viable alternatives to the mainstream music industry whose methods and products I loathe heartily. For that reason, I shall stick with the folkies and continue to try to present that music I love in an acceptable and vibrant way as I possibly can. The numbers attending the weekly folk club that I run suggest that I am having some success.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Will Fly
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:13 AM

Vic - you are indeed having success - and more than just some. Those of us who attend your club, either regularly or from time to time, can only applaud your determination and dedication - while continuing to have a good old belly laugh at Borfolk, Mud-E Ceilidh and all the stuff that Greg brought to our notice in this thread.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:17 AM

Vic Old Bean.
Never has a truer word been spoken.
Onwards Mon Brave..!
Now.....back to the point of this thread.
The Vermin Divided, will never be United!
(hopefully)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:29 AM

Mr Smith of Lewes isn't (in common with others) following the thread. I already made that point two days ago:

It was less antagonistic to do the rounds of ultra-left splinter groups (or warring born-again christian sects - probably, but I wouldn't really know, not having tried any, not even ISB-scientology . . . )

I went on to mention that I took to writing instead. That (as I'm sure I've mentioned before) is why I don't "join" anything, nor indeed perform (much). It's unethical for a necessarily outside observer to do so. But I have been everything, from all sides of all fences, for a very long time. That's why I "bother" to be concerned about extraordinarily hostile and/or self-deprecating attitudes of the English towards the music I have grown up with since my grandfather first taught me in the early 1950s. It's what aspects of the revival has done that I pour scorn on. I am, of course, only assuming but I think L Heath's wake-up call is the same as mine. Laughing at Borfolk is all very well, as long as the crucial need to improve standards and working conditions is not lost in irrelevant guffaws.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:59 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5MjzGyKmiw&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5MjzGyKmiw&feature=related
now this is what I call funny.
Ralphie you are very good at telling myself and Diane what to do,and what we should laugh at,are you a humour fascist?
you must laugh at Borfolk or else.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:10 AM

Well, I started this thread to draw attention to an amusing, clever and modern parody of Mudcat, which most folkies have obviously greastly enjoyed. Whether certain people found Borfolk cartoons in Southern Rag amusing thirty years ago, but not now, is sort of vaguely interesting. But not hugely relevant
love and peace
Pert Hens'Eggs xx


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:17 AM

Absolutely great!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Vic Smith
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:33 AM

Greg,
If you go to @displaysong.cfm?SongID=521 you will find a song that is really suitable for a person who has an anagram of his name works out as Spent Her Eggs


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: kendall
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:41 AM

This is very clever. I'm into parodies and puns.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:42 AM

Greg Me old mucker.
It's been a very pleasant thread, and thanks for pointing us all in the Mud-E-Ceilidh direction.
It's a shame that two participants didn't get the joke!
(The creator of the original website is loving the reaction BTW.)
I now look forward to the updates.
Just off for a pint with Old Vermin....It's his round!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:45 AM

Captain Birdseye

are you a humour fascist?

Tan-ta-ra-ta-ra-TAAAAAAAA!

Its that Godwin's Law moment!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:50 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dct_VJNLvAk


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:51 AM

now that is funny Ramblin SydRumpo.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:52 AM

I woke this morning believing I had found the link to the Borfolk page with the A.L. Lloyd reference - complete with a brilliant illustration of Ian A. making the announcement. I was going to go straight downstairs and do a blue clicky for Richard Mellish, when it dawned on me that I had found it while I was asleep - it was just a creation by my fevered subconscious.

But you never know - sometimes people dream things up and then they appear as if by magic.

pi toes


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:54 AM

Kenneth Williams?
Well, whatever floats your boat.
And the relevance to this thread is?????


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:56 AM

I love the parody, and am enjoying this thread immensely. Like Diane, I am shite at anagrams. I tried the anagram generators to create one for meself, no luck on any of them.

Virtual pint for the most creative one for "Big Mick".


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:57 AM

Snail,No ,because Ive never accused anyone of lacking a sense of humour.
I said I didnt find something funny,all that means,is that my sense of humour is different from Ralphs.
if other people dont find Groucho OR Ramblin Syd funny,Idont accuse them of lacking a sense of humour.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:02 AM

BIG MICK...
Bit of a a bugger that one ....only 2 vowels, and they're both "I's"
Naaaa... nothing pops into my perview...Name change perhaps?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:02 AM

Greg - thanks for the thread - both Kendall and I enjoyed the parody a great deal. I reckon that there is stuff there that we haven't yet found and that we will have more laughs at this brilliant piece of work for some time yet.

Ms Easby and Captain Birdseye - why don't you just stop reading the thread, rather than looking down your noses or bringing in grievances which have nothing to do with the subject? I, for one, am getting rather tired of your attitudes, which spoil so many interesting threads, which then can become so boring that I stop reading them. Go away and let us lesser mortals enjoy these things without your censure.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:11 AM

jacqui c.
Thumbs up from me.
Well said.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:12 AM

ok, Boss.I promise to obey your orders.
sorry youdidnt enjoy Groucho and Syd,but I wont censure you for that we are all entitled to a different sense of humour.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:18 AM

rather tired

I'm extremely tired of tiny minds that can't even spell W - I - D - E - R    I - S - S - U - E - S.

But those who want to snigger their way to oblivion unable to recognise how much needs to be done to rescue and improve the status of the tradarts, so be it.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:18 AM

>b>Captain Birdseye

Snail,No ,because Ive never accused anyone of lacking a sense of humour.

Lighten up, Captain. Did you follow the link? I was just suggesting that the word "fascist" was a teensy-weensy bit inappropriate in the context of this thread.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:19 AM

Excellent - why is it that some people just cant have a good laugh. Get a life and dont read the thread!!!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:20 AM

jacqui, you know I love you, and I am so glad you married that beloved old coot and came to Amerikay. But if you are to be a proper Yank, you must, my dear, drop that English reserve and learn to say what's on your mind!! We are a loudmouthed, uncouth lot, and usually say what's on our minds over here. So enough with the English reserve, ok, sweetie?

Kendall, could I have the loan of a pry bar? I must dislodge my aul tongue from my cheek. Seems to be stuck in there rather well.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: MMario
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:45 AM

Mick - I cheated and added - but the very first anagram listed was "Alembic King" another was "Cabling Mike"


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:48 AM

Enough already.
Good grief. A small insignificant thread, gently lampooning Mudcat, perpetrated by an innocent Englishman, (apparently rather liked by the Mudcat Toffs!!),has been turned into a political rant by two individuals.

Stop Now Please!

Dick and Diane. Please desist.
The rest of us were having a laugh. Is that a concept that doesn't fit into your lives?
Seriously, there is no further point in continuing this thread. It has been violated totally.
Which is such a shame, because it was really rather funny.
Stupid....Yes
Pointless...Yes
Relevant....Mmmmm Maybe!
Apologies to our American paymasters for pissing you off totally...it;s a UK thing.
Ralphie
Still can't get an anagram out of Big Mick.....Humbug!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:57 AM

If you add a surname Mick, you get the very apposite

I be calm king - or - I becalm king.

Dick & Di

Can you two snobs go away and let us enjoy this clever parody?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 10:04 AM

"Status of the tradarts"???

Not what this thread is about ... could I suggest that those who wish to have a serious discussion on this point start up a thread which is specifically for that purpose ? I doubt, incidentally, whether the source singers, musicians or dancers of yore would have been aware of "tradarts" or have perceived what they did as requiring or having a "status". That smacks more of the performance arts world - not what this music and song was originally about.

Back to the thread .. Big Mick ... dodgy one... how about Kim C Gib ? I think you're probably on a loser.

Anyhow, must dash - off to see a talk by Judy Cook.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 10:47 AM

Anyhow, must dash - off to see a talk by Judy Cook.

Lucky you! We have her doing a house concert in South Portland in April - can't wait!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:24 AM

There is a time and place for "wider issues." This is not it.

Mick,there's a bunch if you use your surname, i.e. "Lace Mink."**bg**

Gain Talk Hug


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:29 AM

Diane said

I'm extremely tired of tiny minds that can't even spell W - I - D - E - R    I - S - S - U - E - S.
But those who want to snigger their way to oblivion unable to recognise how much needs to be done to rescue and improve the status of the tradarts, so be it.


and

I went on to mention that I took to writing instead. That (as I'm sure I've mentioned before) is why I don't "join" anything, nor indeed perform (much). It's unethical for a necessarily outside observer to do so.

There is absolutely nothing to prevent you from performing AND critiquing, should you choose to. Nothing unethical about it. As a critic you delude yourself if you really think you're on the outside looking in, because you were already a performer. I suspect you've placed yourself in the margins where your writing voice and your performing have cancelled each other out and the complaint we are reading here is the result.

Poking fun at oneself as in that parody means the writer is in the mix, he recognizes the medium he's part of. He recognizes it's nature, and it's flaws. He's the fish who sees the water it swims in. He's the critic, with a sense of humor, who reached more people with this parody than you have with your complaint.

This analysis is offered free of charge--I know nothing about your performing or your criticism. I'm just reading between the lines.

SRS (Versatile Grisly)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:56 AM

Someone said:

Status of the tradarts . . . [is] . . . not what this thread is about

Actually, it is. And as there have been umpteen previous unresolved discussions wrecked by the very people being lampooned in the fake thread, there is no need for another.

Lawrence/Frank thought it might be fun to take the piss out of those so removed from reality that they fail to make a connection between their own lives and the cultural heritage that's out there, (in their backyards, to use an English Acoustic Collective expression).

The sainted "tradition" (if it ever really existed), disappeared long ago and its resurrection has been distorted and damaged by prissy middle-class "collectors". Yes, they wrote down a few things (songs lacking words and put tunes through the washer-drier then ironed them) but we'll never know how much these interfering busybodies destroyed or altered. Trad music now is performance art, even the few and far between snippets still being found among travellers. Music of the people being composed today is art music because it involves revivalists seeking inspiration at second hand from those deeply involved in their landscapes, trades and environments (c.v. Chris Wood of the EAC again) or the creators of the Radio Ballads (both generations). It is from here that the tradarts will continue and grow, once songwriters and musicians have recovered from the damage inflicted by (a) the education system over the past several generations which has forced them to ignore and despise their inheritance and (b) from the worst excesses of the snigging-snogging "revival". Children can learn to understand and to love what their parents rejected in favour of instant pop culture and, eventually, will add themselves to the people's culture which is theirs by right.

Contrast that prospect with the snarlings of those who think they're being exhorted not to "have a laugh". Just what is it you think you're laughing at? Of course I think Borfolk is funny on one level (and I believe Dick does too, apart from an unfortunate lapse when he imagined me poor old mate Bleaty was being maligned). I'm amazed (OK, no I'm not) that what some scribblers can't or won't acknowledge is that the hardest swipe is at the GEFFs, those whose idea of "fun" is to belt out one or two usually inappropriate chords topped by a vocal in an unrelated key and call it . . . yeah, that's right . . . in cliquey "clubs" which are, unfortunately, not nearly private enough, and then whinge incessantly when the general public thinks they're bonkers and that the noise they make is rubbish anyway.

It's been my lifelong ambition to raise awareness of the tradarts to the cultural status they deserve, an achievement already realised in most other countries I have worked in or at least visited. It will never be acceptable to laugh at the low, maligned image portrayed (and sometimes deservedly as a result of sloppy presentation) in many branches of the English media. That is why it is necessary to examine the wider implications of such inhouse lampooning and make sure no more of it escapes into wider currency.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:59 AM

Do you get paid to write for any publications? If so, why not go do that and leave this thread alone?! You're definitely not going to make a living writing here.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:10 PM

Rumour (rumor) has it that Diane Easby has/does write for publication, not sure which ones. I must admit to getting a wee bit tired of the some of the rather verbose postings, and not just on this particular thread and not just by the aforementioned personage. Some judicious editing is perhaps needed in some cases?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:17 PM

Most music journalists have some performance experience as part of their backgrounds. Many also have dabbled in promotion, management or organisation too. Indeed, the more diverse practical experience within the chosen genre, the better the understanding and thus quality of criticism is likely to result. But no, wearing more than one hat at once is not only potentially unethical but lays the aspiring journalist open to accusations of bias.

And how off-topic is that? But someone did ask . . .

Oh, and I made my living from both writing and from production for many a long year. Meanwhile, I made no money whatsoever for me out of promotion as it was largely for benefits for anti-racist/fascist, anti-Tory, anti-union-bashing, anti-imperialist solidarity and liberation causes. Making money for myself was not the remit, though I doubt if you will grasp this concept.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:23 PM

Diane, I have great respect for your views as to professionalism, and protecting the real performers ability to get paid. Having said that, I must say that it is annoying and boorish to continue to take over threads, like this where folks are simply having a bit of a good time, and twist it into a tirade. It almost seems like a way to simply draw attention to yourself. I must admit to wondering, at times, as to your motives.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:35 PM

Then I suggest that if people really do want to ask me such fucking stupid, off-topic questions, they do so offlist. If I reply, they will be invoiced.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:44 PM

Diane.
I think what Big Mick, and others are saying (in a polite way), is Please put a sock in it.
Why do you persist in wrecking other peoples fun?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:53 PM

If I was going to say put a sock in it, I'd say so, and not in a polite way, so far I haven't said so.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:55 PM

Do I tell you to put a sock over your concertina?
Far from "spoiling anyone's fun" I'm indicating connections and trains of thought and indeed action to enhance the music's profile, which they are apparently missing.
As, in fact, I believe to be the purpose of Frank's venture in the first place.
Though I may, of course, be completely wasting my breath / time . . .


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:00 PM

Nice try, Mick, but perhaps too subtle. Apparently she can't start a new thread all of her own to discuss the "wider issues."


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:07 PM

Perhaps Mud E Ceilidh could open up one've the 'controversy' threads, just for arguments sake?


Peaty Shrimps


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Megan L
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:13 PM

Perhaps Mud E Ceildh could have a thread 101 ways to tell someone to please leave, it might increase some folks vocabulary enough that they dont keep repeating the same epithet.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:24 PM

There is no point in starting yet another thread about attitudes to traditional music: academic v pisstake, if you like. I have already said so in reply to someone who told me this was not the topic. It is. I also don't believe "Da Management" would want multiple threads on the same theme.

I am speaking to what I see as the implications of the topic and what I believe "Frank" was getting at, though I could, of course, be wrong.

Many of you, however, are now talking about me. Why? I'm not the topic nor am I interesting, but the state of the music industry and possibly ways to rescue and boost traditional music is, and is crucially important.

Do continue (if you really want) to ignore the herds of elephants rampaging about the room. Some deity of choice might step in with a miracle to rescue our cultural heritage. Though I wouldn't bank on it.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:27 PM

IF that's what you're trying to do, build up and preserve cultural heritage, there are better ways than beating folks over the head and cursing at them.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: kendall
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:29 PM

"Fuck off, dipshit" works for me.However, if the "Target" is a verbose, pedantic pain in the ass I might be a bit more erudite.
But, you all know me, I hate to complain.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:42 PM

Twa 'undred!


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