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Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...

DigiTrad:
BUTTERMILK HILL
I'LL SELL MY HAT, I'LL SELL MY COAT
SHULE AGRA or JOHNNY HAS GONE FOR A SOLDIER
SHULE AROON
SHULE AROON 1


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In Mudcat MIDIs:
Siuil a Ruin (#59 in O'Neill's Music of Ireland)
Siuil a Ruin (#60 in O'Neill's Music of Ireland)


skarpi 26 Sep 10 - 07:09 PM
michaelr 26 Sep 10 - 10:41 PM
michaelr 27 Sep 10 - 07:53 PM
Suffet 27 Sep 10 - 09:50 PM
michaelr 28 Sep 10 - 08:12 PM
GUEST,leeneia 29 Sep 10 - 04:59 PM
pavane 30 Sep 10 - 05:49 AM
GUEST,^&* 30 Sep 10 - 06:03 AM
GUEST,leeneia 30 Sep 10 - 10:31 AM
Noreen 30 Sep 10 - 10:48 AM
GUEST,leeneia 30 Sep 10 - 02:16 PM
Noreen 30 Sep 10 - 03:36 PM
Noreen 30 Sep 10 - 03:37 PM
michaelr 01 Oct 10 - 11:28 AM
michaelr 01 Oct 10 - 11:29 AM
Suffet 01 Oct 10 - 11:36 AM
GUEST,leeneia 01 Oct 10 - 11:57 AM
GUEST,noreen 01 Oct 10 - 12:53 PM
Noreen 01 Oct 10 - 01:51 PM
michaelr 01 Oct 10 - 05:23 PM
maeve 01 Oct 10 - 05:34 PM
skarpi 01 Oct 10 - 08:36 PM
skarpi 01 Oct 10 - 08:45 PM
michaelr 02 Oct 10 - 12:42 AM
Joe Offer 16 Oct 10 - 01:04 AM
GUEST,leeneia 18 Oct 10 - 09:28 AM
GUEST,Jimbob 18 Oct 10 - 11:26 AM
Noreen 18 Oct 10 - 11:44 AM
Suegorgeous 18 Oct 10 - 12:39 PM
GUEST,leeneia 18 Oct 10 - 02:27 PM
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Subject: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: skarpi
Date: 26 Sep 10 - 07:09 PM

hallo can someone help out ?
I have been looking for sheets for this song , and I have been
listening and try to get some chords , but some how I am not happy what I have , so if any one can help :O) .

kv Skarpi .


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: michaelr
Date: 26 Sep 10 - 10:41 PM


Dm    C      Bb    Dm
I wish I was on yonder hill

    Dm       C       Bb    Am                                        
It's there I'd sit and cry my fill

    Gm    Bb         C       Dm                                
And every tear would turn the mill

      Dm    C          Bb                        
Is go te tu mo bhournin slan                                


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: michaelr
Date: 27 Sep 10 - 07:53 PM

bump


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: Suffet
Date: 27 Sep 10 - 09:50 PM

And here is an alternate version:



Em      Bm    Em
Here I sit on Butternut Hill,

G                   Em
Who could blame me, cry my fill?

          Bm         Em
And every tear would turn a mill,

   G          D          Em
My Johnny has gone for a soldier.


I hope the chords and lyrics line up correctly.

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: michaelr
Date: 28 Sep 10 - 08:12 PM

Skarpi?


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 29 Sep 10 - 04:59 PM

Hello, skarpi. I hope you are not in a big rush to get this done. First we have to decide which tune you want.

Like you, I searched for a MIDI of this tune, and to my surprise did not find one. So I decided to see what there is in the 1903 edition of O'Neill's Music of Ireland.

They spell it 'Siubal a run' in Irish and 'Shule aroon' in English. There is a dot over the b in 'Siubal.' There are two versions. Number 59 seems more like a solo for flute or fiddle, Number 60 seems more like a vocal piece. They are both marked 'plaintively,' meaning sad or complaining, but we all knew that.

By the way, both tunes are more complicated that the sweet tune (Here I sit on Buttermilk Hill) that many people think of when we speak of Shule Aroon.

I will send the MIDI's to Joe, and I hope that soon you will be able to click on them and hear them.

Then, if you like them, we will get to the big task of figuring out the chords.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: pavane
Date: 30 Sep 10 - 05:49 AM

I think a dot over the b is the same as spelling it bh - where it sounds like a v? If not, someone will correct me. e.g. placename Cobh = Cove.

And Si is the Irish and Welsh spelling of the sound Sh - which they often use to replace J, which doesn't exist in their alphabets : Sean (Shawn)= John, Sian = Jane and so on. Also compare Sean (Irish) with Jean (French).


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: GUEST,^&*
Date: 30 Sep 10 - 06:03 AM

I think a dot over the b is the same as spelling it bh - where it sounds like a v?

It's a bit more complicated than that, I'm afraid! Yes - the "h" replaces the dot to which you refer. However, since O'Neill's day, there has also been a major simplification of Irish spelling and the word is now simply spelled "siúil". In effect, the "bh" was silent and was dropped.

In other situations, the "bh" sounds like either a "v", as you suggest, or a "w", depending on dialect.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Sep 10 - 10:31 AM

Oops!

"By the way, both tunes are more complicated that.." should have been "more complicated thaN"

stilling waiting for Joe to post the MIDI's.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: Noreen
Date: 30 Sep 10 - 10:48 AM

Skarpi already has the tune, as he says he has been listening to it. It's just chord suggestions he is asking for.

We just need him to come back and tell us if the above suggestions help :)


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Sep 10 - 02:16 PM

Since we cannot hear the tune Skarpi has in his head, we can't work out the chords.

There may be a delay of some days before the MIDI's can be posted.

I feel that it is worthwhile to get these tunes on the web for future searchers, whether or not they are what Skarpi has in mind at present.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: Noreen
Date: 30 Sep 10 - 03:36 PM

Did you see this thread, leeneia? Lyr Req: Suil a Ruin
That thread has at least a couple of different contributions of tune in ABC format, convertible to MIDI.

In my experience, everyone has basically the same tune in mind for this song, whichever version of the words is used.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: Noreen
Date: 30 Sep 10 - 03:37 PM

(That thread also has chords.)


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 11:28 AM

I didn't see any chords in the thread you linked to, Noreen.

Why arent't related threads listed at the top of this one?


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 11:29 AM

...and what happened to Skarpi??


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: Suffet
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 11:36 AM

For the record, the chords I suggested are for the Americanized "Here I sit on Butternut Hill" version, often called Johnny Has Gone for a Soldier.

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 11:57 AM

The data pipelines which are used to post new MIDI's to the Mudcat are choked with willow roots at present and may remain so for some days.

We shall see if the 19th-C versions I have found ever get posted. If they do, they do. If they don't, they don't. They are different enough from 'Buttermilk Hill' to be interesting.

As for old threads: If Google says there is no MIDI of a song on the net, I accept that.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: GUEST,noreen
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 12:53 PM

michael, the chords were posted by alison directly below the post i linked to.
And the links to related threads at the top do not appear by magic, they are put there by joe or his clones when time allows- they may even be there by now. . .
Leenia, you may believe in the infallibity of google, but there are many reasons why a google search may not bring up what you are looking for, even if it is available on the internet. How long have you got? :)


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: Noreen
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 01:51 PM

(Anyway, I think it's far better without chords)


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 05:23 PM

Ah, so they were. I missed that.

I like mine better, though... :-) Check `em out on the Greenhouse myspace page.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: maeve
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 05:34 PM

michaelr "...and what happened to Skarpi??"

Skarpi lives in Iceland and is pretty busy these days. I've sent him a message regarding the thread.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: skarpi
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 08:36 PM

Sorry all , I have been away at the hospital with my mom

I sing it Dm ...I like that .

again sorry my mind have been elsewhere ....:O/

all the best Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: skarpi
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 08:45 PM

is this a woman song only ? or is it both ?
we have a song here in Iceland , its called " Bíum Bíum Bambaló "
and its a lullaby , but the man who wrote the lyric says the song is
abroad and its called , Gone the Rainbow ? now many people have said
to me its the same as Síúíl a Rúín .....could be ...
you can listen to my version with my band Rosin Okkar on
www.myspace.com/rosinokkar/

its in Em there .

I am learning from this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV4Serbwg0k&feature=related
the Irish is no problem for me ..........the singer name is Connie Dover

sorry about not being in here before ....
may god be with you all
all the best Skarpi Iceland .


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 12:42 AM

" Bíum Bíum Bambaló " shows similarities, but is surely not the same.

Connie Dover's version is the tune most of us will know. I think you'll find that my chords work with it - I got it from her.

Hope your mom's OK!

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 01:04 AM

Chords from Leeneia posted.

Click to play Siubalarun59



Click to play Siubalarun60


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 09:28 AM

Well, no, those aren't the chords. Those are the melodies, which are all we have of the 19th Century versions.

If I were performing this, I would have a person sing a verse, then have an instrument do one of these, then another verse. It would add interest, I think, to show the changes over time.

I hope these can be added to the Mudcat MIDI's.

Thanks, Joe, for posting these.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: GUEST,Jimbob
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 11:26 AM

Just saw this song being sung on TV the other day...last time I saw the show was late 1970's. It was a documentary called "All You Need is Love", and the song was featured in the Country Music episode...absolutely beatiful and haunting, sung by a young girl with quite a deep voice, accompanying herself mon autoharp.
I think Noreen wrote years ago that she thought it was on "Down Home", but I think this was the version.
Jim Hyndman www.longway.org.uk


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: Noreen
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 11:44 AM

Siubalarun60 posted by Joe, above, bears a resemblance to the tune I sing, from Elizabeth Cronin (and to the Buttermilk Hill, etc. versions).
Don't recognise the 59 one at all though.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 12:39 PM

Neither of these tunes are the one I (and I'm sure others) sing, which is the Clannad one.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 02:27 PM

Those two tunes come from the 1903 edition of 'O'Neill's Music of Ireland.' They were collected in the 19th Century from Irish musicians in Chicago.

The first version is probably an arrangement for violin or harp. At least that's how it seems to me.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: Noreen
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 02:52 PM

Sue, listen again to tune 60- it is basically the same one as Clannad sing.

Even in the same key :)


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: GUEST,Jimbob
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 09:29 AM

I found the episode of "All You Need Is Love" that I mentioned way back, on Youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i48oEgufu-Q


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It starts at 49 mins. This is the one Noreen mentioned from a while back.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Siuil a Ruin Chords and sheet ...
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 11:40 AM

Thanks for the link, jimbob. Looks like a nice documentary on country music. I'll get back to it when I have more time.
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The MIDI's from O'Neill (upthread) don't play anymore, but if anybody's curious, they are now in the Mudcat MIDI's, which you can find in the box labelled 'Quick Links' above. The spelling to search for in the MIDI's is 'Siuil a Ruin.'


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