BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out (UK football)

Subject: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 08:53 AM

We all know how Wayne has been bloody miserable since his hoe revelations, so I thought I would bring back the real Rooney before he moves to Manchester City.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ToDTdM5-Y

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 08:59 AM

Was Rooney a secret gardener? Sneaked off to allotments?

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 09:20 AM

Good Riddance!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: breezy
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 09:34 AM

I thought Sir A F was doing a good job with him , but it was always going to be touch and go.

Can we see Rooney as a 'European' ? and settling down away from home ?

I cannot.

He should learn from the example of Ryan Giggs

Is he now too big for his boots.

Time to move on methinks

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 02:50 PM

I would not want him as a next door neighbour, but that is unlikely to happen. A few shitbags at News of the Screws decided to make some money by forcing me - and many others - to know something, which I would rather not know. A lot of people think it was very bad of him to prong some tart when he was getting none at home. It really does not matter what I or anyone else thinks about it. It is none of our bloody business and we never needed to know. He has been struggling to reach his very best for a few months, but after the tabloid bashing he got, that is probably not surprising. Oddly enough, the same scumbags who "exposed" his private life are the ones who also berated him for not saving England in the World Cup. I hope he recovers his confidence and form and I hope he plays well for Manchester United again. And I am a Manchester City fan!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 07:25 PM

I've known much worse neighbours, and they've been OK enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: gnu
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 07:35 PM

The demonization of Rooney on and off the pitch is pittyful. Kick a few penalties yerself eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lox
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 09:29 PM

Well I've just read that the reason for the bust up is that rooney is demanding £200,000 a week if he is to resign for Man U when his current contract runs out.

One single Payment of £100,000 would allow me to complete my Masters degree.

I wouldn't gamble it away or spend it on prostitutes ... well not all of it anyway ...

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lox
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 09:56 PM

... oops ...


When I wrote "resign" I meant "re-sign" as in "renew", not "resign" as in "abdicate".

Just thought I'd clarify ...



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Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 03:27 AM

The thing is the media has taken Coleen to their hearts. Unlike the usual wag she comes over as a good role model, nice girl and mother to impressionable young girls. If Coleen had been anything like Jordan and the like Wayne Rooney would probably not have had so much bad publicity. It is has been his attitude towards Coleen and his fans that has made him very unpopular. Whether footballers like it or not the nation of fans of all ages are watching them and paying good money to see them play good football.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 03:36 AM

Could Fergie resign (that means stop, pack up, quit ) if the Roo leaves?

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arnie
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 10:41 AM

Rooney just is not firing on all cylinders these days and it's not surprising that he was on the bench on Saturday. The Glazers would no doubt like to get their sticky little mitts on the £60 million that Rooney could bring in on transfer. And the irony is that in the Premier League only Man City could afford to buy him!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 10:47 AM

Seems Rooney has a 5 million buy out clause for his final year contract. If that is the case, it could be very interesting indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lox
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 12:56 PM

Fergie isn't going anywhere.

Not with a record and a history like his.

He'll go when he's good and ready.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 01:27 PM

I bet Fergie retires at the end of this season! He certainly deserves it.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 02:52 PM

thought you might like my Wayne Rooney Song

http://www.myspace.com/folksingerbigal

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 03:56 PM

Let's see - brief comparison of 2 monster Manchester United players:

Bobby Charlton - gentleman

Wayne Rooney - oik and booby

Done

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Alan Day
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 06:06 PM

I must agree with you alanabit, it was not only Rooney they ripped into but the Captain John Terry, Vice Captain Rio and other members of the team .Many England Managers of course, in the past have had the same treatment including Brian Robson, Terry Venables, Sven one England Manager and player after another. As you suggest they are the first to say "Come on Lads" before the first kick off, after their humiliation of the team and Manager and then have the cheek to criticise the team for not performing.
Rooney is not playing his best at all, he always wanted the ball, ran into areas where he could get it, non stop movement, superb ball control, dribbling past players exciting to watch and appreciated by lovers of the game (me for one).He now loses the ball often, he still has good passing ability and can open up a defence by this method ,but as an all round player he is not what he was. The World Cup was a disaster for him (and for us all)and much of his problems now started then.A.F demands high quality performances and is happy to give a bollocking to anyone who does not reach the standard he requires, he has proved himself a great Manager and trying to control a group of highly paid pre mad donas is not an easy task. He is under pressure however and Rooney is the answer to his problem if he plays to a high standard, as he is not doing that I suspect Rooney is getting too much ear bashing for a young guy that lives for praise and reacts against constant criticism.
Al (England Football Supporter)

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: olddude
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 06:18 PM

Is that Mikey rooney's brother ? Loved his movies...

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: skipy
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 06:21 PM

Who give a shit! Football should have been erradicated along with smallpox. Hopefully he will get smallpox.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 07:38 PM

I love the song Al. Good to see you back here.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Alan Day
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 04:06 AM

We have similar tastes Old Dude, Mickey Rooney did some great movies and I really enjoy his singing version of Manhattan.
Which song Alan I have a few on the go at the moment. Balls up in the air sort of thing.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 04:23 AM

This time I was referring to Big Al Whittle's song Alan. It is scurrilous, but it is amusing.
I must not condone violence, of course, but I do understand why people occasionally thump press reporters and photographers...
I really do hope Wayne Rooney overcomes his differences with Ferguson and gets back on form. The whole business is a sad spectacle which feeds only the rats and the vultures in the press.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 04:28 AM

Wayne Rooney is a nasty piece of Sh*** and the money he earns is disgusting. I agree with a comment earlier - he is not fit to clean the boots of the great Sir Bobby Charlton.
You are a disgrace Rooney.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 06:06 AM

If I was Fergie I'd sell Rooney while he's still worth something.   He won't get a penny for him after Colleen finally breaks his legs.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 08:40 AM

>Is that Mikey rooney's brother ? Loved his movies... <

Please don't insult Mickey Rooney, he had talent, lol!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: banjoman
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 10:05 AM

Wayne Rooney is nothing but a Croxteth Thug who was always a better boxer than a footballer. He should be at least castrated for his despical actions both on and off the pitch, or at best given a free transfer to Accrington Stanley who may be able to find a job for him- perhaps cleaning the toilets.
No one should ever be paid that sort of money simply for kicking a ball around a field -same applies to other so called sportsmen/women (snooker players. athletics etc)
ON second thoughts - Manchester United/City your welcome to him provided he never comes back to Liverpool (City not FC)

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 10:25 AM

Ah, don't blame Rooney - he can get that kind of money, so he does. Blame those who pay him the money (management) and those who pay them in turn. Oh, I forgot, it's the fans' tickets that pay for it.

Well, stop moaning and stay at home. Don't go to watch a match involving players who earn undeserved salaries. Don't watch in on the telly either. Walk the talk. It's the only way you have to influence the situation.

Learn a new song instead. Or go to a folk club (which will cost you 1/10th the price of the football match ticket). Or save up and buy an instrument.

Rant over.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 02:13 PM

The late great Bill Hicks used to have this schtick about JFK.

Outraged voice: What! He actually had sex with Marilyn Monroe - the most beautiful woman on the planet.......! Well that loses him my respect allright!

2010 version

Ouraged voice: Okay he's a millionaire! Okay he's young! Okay he's a football God!   and Okay he plays for the greatest team on the planet and he's married to a bimbo. I'm still amazed he would do a thing like that.....!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 03:15 PM

thanks for listening to the song Al. Hope things are okay over there in the fatherland. best wishes to you and your family. Still writing and singing, i hope!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 03:25 PM

Big Al Whittle... love it!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 04:14 PM

Wayne Rooney is a father. He is also, for many little boys (some girls too) a 'hero' (not quite sure why, but we won't go there)

He is a father who, far from standing by his wife when she was 'creating' his son, supporting, caring and loving her, 'for better or for worse', took off and had sex with some sleazy hookers, who, surprisesurprise, sold their stories for as much as they could.

He has to live with the shame of that, 12 years or more from now, when his son learns the gruesome details.

Even £200,000 a week won't be able to buy him his son's respect.

Meanwhile, his wife has been to Lourdes, yet again, with her family, in the vain hope of finding a miracle cure for her very sick young sister...and having to cope with the disgrace of her selfish baffoon of a husband.

Rooney has also let people see how disgustingly greedy his is, in times when so many are losing their homes, their livelihoods, their lives. He has revealed himself to be a sickening man, as well as a sick one, imo...and he may be able to kick a ball, but when it comes to scoring goals in the Net of Respectability, he misses, every single time.

I shudder at stories like this. I loathe overpaid footballers. I loathe football managers and Corporate Football Bastards who rule over their fans, seemingly brainwashing their dumbed down brains to part with ever more money from tickets to Club T Shirts made from The Emporer's New Cloth of Gold.

What has happened to football is exactly the same as everything else...It's soul has been sold to the Corporate Devil and nearly all those who work within it are also slaves to The Bastard of Greed.

What 'heroes' some choose for their children these days, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 04:19 PM

I'm not really back. I'd still rather die the death of a thousand cuts than discuss or explain the way I write songs and my beliefs about the tradition again on mudcat.

However I always check out mudcat to see if anyone I know has died. Sorry I'm not a member anymore so I can't do pm's. thanks for listening to the song.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 04:53 PM

You are missed... but understood. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. You da man.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 05:06 PM

Rooney has made the following statement.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9112052.stm

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Alan Day
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 06:20 PM

Well I must admit that my interest in Rooney is on the football field as I really enjoy the skill and ability he has available to him.
Off the field you sum it all up Liz.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 06:40 PM

Well, he's 24 years old. He has still not "grown up" as a player and, obviously, not as a man. But... there is hope in both cases. He has years yet on the pitch. Not likely on the wife.

In any case, I wish I could still frolic on the pitch and perhaps make a few bob. And, seeing as how I am not married, I might fancy some of that fun... but no matter what coin I might make, 1200 pounds seems a bit Sterling to me. For that kinda cash, I would want some discreet sex. And really, really good... ahem.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 20 Oct 10 - 06:45 PM

What makes you all so sure that Bobby Charlton always washed behind his ears and always handed his bag of sweets around?

Wayne sneaked an extra slice of jelly roll. that was rather naughty, but everyone knows he's a bit of a lad.

I agree with Old dude, Andy Hardy rules...!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 10:58 AM

Just before the baby came along Colleen was getting a career together I hopes she keeps on with that and it would be good to see her make a success of it in her own right.

I did enjoy watching Rooney but whatever happened coming up for the World Cup lord only knows. Watching him was as interesting as a cold rice pudding. He is only 24 and should be at his best. He isn't the only sport's person to stray though perhaps he has been influenced by the wrong people who should be old enough to know better, who knows. A certain golfer was guilty of that but at least he got his act together on the golf course - eventually.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 01:57 PM

"Wayne sneaked an extra slice of jelly roll. that was rather naughty, but everyone knows he's a bit of a lad."

He's a double dealing, lying, dishonest man, who had his way with two hookers, who sold their story to the papers..and he did all this whilst his wife was creating his child, probably throwing up, feeling like death warmed up whilst still making a home for him to come back to, when he'd finished with his 'extra slice of whatever', completely innocent in the knowledge of what he'd been doing.

He then, I'd imagine, got into bed with her, slept beside her and carried on as if nothing had happened.

What a creep!

Had I been married to him I'd have divorced him the next day, taking his millions to book a first class flight to Mexico, then taking great delight in tearing up my marriage certificate, whilst having a Taco...

Then, I'd have gone back home, had my baby, and raised him entirely alone, not allowing that double crossing, lying, over-paid little jerk to have any access, because he showed his son exactly how important he was in his life when he made that decision to do what he did.

I'd also have found myself a man of absolute integrity, who would help to repair the damage that he'd done, both to me, and to his child. WHY she's taken him back I've no idea, because to do that to a woman at that place in her life is just beyond comprehension to me.

Ugh!


>>"Off the field you sum it all up Liz."<<
Thank you, Al. (pssst...if I could just say though, it's 'Lizzie' if that's OK with you.) :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 02:00 PM

It's also beyond my comprehension to do that to any woman whilst you are still married to her. Leave first, get divorced, then you're free again..

And he gets forgiven by so many simply because he can kick a ball around??????

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 02:01 PM

Slightly west of topic, but I heard recently that the statue of John Lennon on the first floor of Liverpool John Lennon Airport, had the airport's strapline 'Above us only sky' motif added to by a local wag - 'Below us only West Ham'

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Alan Day
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 06:28 PM

Sorry Lizzie
Back to the naughty chair.
Al X

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: gnu
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 06:52 PM

Skip... yer still alive! Good oh eh! Say Hello to that fiddle fellah for me if he is too. >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 07:05 PM

Hoya Gnu! I took drink with his goodself only last Saturday evening, in the Former People's Republic of Humberside. He is going to India soon, apparently. And to Hull. Age has not wearied him.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: gnu
Date: 21 Oct 10 - 07:14 PM

India you say? And what is his purpose to travel to the motherland? Enlightenment? Cleansing? New lesbian seeds for his garden? As far as Hull, what the Hull for?

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 03:34 AM

Quote
And he gets forgiven by so many simply because he can kick a ball around??????
Unquote

Well maybe and hopefully, his missus has kicked his balls around Lizzie!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 04:16 AM

Fer Chrissake....!

he's a millionaire footballer. she didn't get married to him for his conversational skills, his urbane wit and compassionate view of humanity. If its his stunning good looks that attracts her.....words fail one.

And how much of a struggle could it be to make a home a home for him when she can afford anything from Harrods and Harvey nICKS.   If she's staying with him.....its for one reson only ....the kudos of being married to one of the most famous men in the world.

Its a bit like jeering at the poor sods on the Jeremy Kyle show. These people are what they are.....They do what it says on the packet.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 05:49 AM

If anyone wants to sing the Wayne Rooney song here are the lyrics

(scat sing intro)
CHORUS
(Alan:      Wayne Rooney!Wayne Rooney!
Denise:   Do it to me Wayne Rooney!
Alan:       I know what you did
Denise:    I won't charge twelve hundred quid
Alan:       Wayne goes in hard when he wants to score
Denise:    What girl could ask for more

Alan:      Wayne Rooney!Wayne Rooney!
Denise:    Do it to me Wayne Rooney!
Alan:       I know what you did
Denise:    I won't charge twelve hundred quid
Alan:       Wayne goes in hard when he wants to score
Denise:    What girl could ask for more)

Alan:         Now every night through the World Cup
Denise:    Good old Wayne, he kept it up
Alan:         He never did quite get it in
Denise:      But he stuck it out - so the girls all sing:-
CHORUS
(Alan:      Wayne Rooney!Wayne Rooney!
Denise:   Do it to me Wayne Rooney!
Alan:       I know what you did
Denise:    I won't charge twelve hundred quid
Alan:       Wayne goes in hard when he wants to score
Denise:    What girl could ask for more

Alan:      Wayne Rooney!Wayne Rooney!
Denise:    Do it to me Wayne Rooney!
Alan:       I know what you did
Denise:    I won't charge twelve hundred quid
Alan:       Wayne goes in hard when he wants to score
Denise:    What girl could ask for more)

Alan:       First with Coleen, then with Jenny
Denise:    Inhibitions..... he ain't any
Alan:       Wayne! Wayne!- do it again
Denise:    C'mon lets play the beautiful game

Wayne Rooney!Wayne Rooney!
etc
(scat outro)

copywright words and music by Alan Whittle September 9th 2010

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 06:08 AM

You are a card Al :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 07:31 AM

I might be wrong but I am sure that Colleen and presumably Rooney are Catholic judging by Colleen's pilgramage to Lourdes? That could be one of the reasons why she hasn't packed her bags and left.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 07:37 AM

Well I hope he wasn't wearing condoms and hopefully he has had any gay relationships.

HOT OFF THE PRESS
Wayne Rooney has signed a new 5 year contract for Manchester United.


Speculation here, but could it be that Man Utd want to make a load of dosh from him and will still sell him. He is now worth a lot more in the transfer market.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 07:38 AM

"he has had any gay relationships"

should have been

he hasn't had any gay relationships

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arnie
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 08:21 AM

And today it has just been announced that Wayne Rooney has signed a new 5-yr contract to stay at Man Utd. It's a funny old world, as they say...

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 08:25 AM

Well isn't that what I already said, two post's ago Arnie?

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 09:37 AM

They wouldn't let me put my song on the Manchester United website.

when they make crass aesthetic judgements like that, you can't help but feel they deserve each other. and his bloody wife!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 09:58 AM

He is now worth a lot more in the transfer market.

I think you've got it...

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 10:02 AM

he is staying then. nothing to get excited about here, we can all go home now.

No more camping up outside his house....

Ok, just to keep the conspiracy theorists busy.. His about turn is in response to sitting down and hearing Ferguson's vision for the near future. Something he hadn't been hearing before.

Now.. if I were an old manager and felt pressure to retire, having the star footballer needing me there in order to remain settled would be a great deal breaker if I wished to stay on...

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 10:10 AM

He probably has a 50 million clause built in, so that if Man City come looking, he can go for that amount.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 10:12 AM

Sorry, meant to add

And thats I think the loss per annum for Man U i.e. 50 million.

Hmmm I wonder :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 11:37 AM

I did not really want Rooney to end up at Man City, because he obviously belongs at the other club. However, I rather fear that my side will catch the backlash of all this in three weeks time. United played us off the park last year and this time around there will be just a little bit of anger at City's perceived opportunism over this episode!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 12:27 PM

hi

So Wayne is going to stay after all !!

I say hooray for sanity. Wayne is a naughty boy, he is not the first and I am sure he won't be the last.

But IMHO he and football are best served by him remaining with Sir Alex Ferguson. Any one who knows anything about football history knows that extremely few players leave Manchester United and go on to greater things. Without the backing of this great club and it's manager most have failed after leaving for the lure of whatever it is that lures them to lose their senses.

I think that he has been listening to the wrong people eg his agent. Sure he wants Wayne to move.....cos he will receive even more money for doing what??? Setting Wayne up to be a political football and be reviled by the football public.

I hope that sense will now prevail and that Wayne can get back to doing what we all know he can do.... and that is play football.

As a Man U supporter I am just a little concerned by the about turn...didn't a young Portuguese player called Ronaldo do something similar just over a year ago???

Look where he is now....Real Madrid. um......

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 02:00 PM

"Back to the naughty chair.
Al X"

'Tis OK, Al...and...I put a soft velvet cushion on there for you..

:0) x

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 07:03 PM

In the light of Wayne's grandstanding performance and dramatic come-back, maybe we should wish the lad good luck with the traditional theatrical expression - "Break a leg!"

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 22 Oct 10 - 10:31 PM

Well, lets face it -its a game of three halves:-

1) theres football people: the ashen faced, tight lipped Ron Knee types who go on about 'the architects of the modern game', dribbling, nutmegging, sliding tackles, 442 formations, etc

2) theres the Daily Mail readers - going on like its 1963 and the Profumo scandal is still raging. A married man doing that Carruthers....well I never did, and neither of my parents did, and its not really necessary, so leave it alone!

3) then theres the rest of us - the news of the world crowd who basically just love to read about and see pictures of famous people, and scoutmasters and runaway teachers doing naughty stuff.

So now that its settled where Wayne is playing footy, I'd say, 'Go on Wayne! get yer nob out and party on!. We're in the bigger society now and it cheers me up no end.'

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Alan Day
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 04:35 AM

You little love Lizzie
Al X

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 05:41 AM

Wouldn't you stay for a £65 million deal????

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 08:37 AM

How much tax will the Government get out of that?

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 08:43 AM

Exactly Arthur! and the killjoys resent Wayne playing party tricks with his todger - even after he's spread a few quid around.

Shame on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Alan Day
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 12:56 PM

Do you think there should be a Todger Tax Alan to assist the economy ?
The extra todgers could be put up the Bankers and Wayne may be the guy to lead the way.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 04:38 AM

"2) theres the Daily Mail readers - going on like its 1963 and the Profumo scandal is still raging. A married man doing that Carruthers....well I never did, and neither of my parents did, and its not really necessary, so leave it alone!"


Nope, it's just a 'mere' woman's opinion, that's all. But if you wanna support a lying, deceiving, greedy, selfish, self-opinionated little toe-rag, be my guest.

Could someone explain to me why...if a man behaves this way many men deem it 'acceptable'...yet if a woman did the same thing, she'd be classed a 'whore'???

Obviously, a woman couldn't actually doublecross a man at this point in his life though, as men aren't the ones who become pregnant. But trust me, if you're feeling like 'death', and some women, many women do when first pregnant, todgers, tits and teddies are the last thing on your mind.

This does NOT mean that men get the green-light to go out hunting bunnies because their ego's are feeling hurt, lonely and battered.

As for The News of the World, The Sun or The Star, I'd not even wipe my bum with them, let alone wrap my chips in 'em.

And as for this greedy little oik now being paid £250,000 a WEEK, well..I think that says it all about him, his manager, his club and football itself.

The Heavenly Game has become The Devil's Game, ruled over and participated in by people who don't give a fuck for their fans, or for anyone else, other than to take their money at every opportunity, play to their dumbed down brains and laugh.....all the way to their mansions, their 23 cars and their '450 hookers-in-a-bed-buy one get 449 free' nights out!

It's sick...it's perverse...it's insanity...but hey...it's FOOTBALL, right?

Every fan around the country, regardless of club loyalty, should wage war on these plonkers by staying away from games, turning their backs on the whole damn lot...but of course, they won't.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 05:55 AM

Lizzie
Anybody who loves football, will never stop supporting their team.
However, that doesn't mean that as such we condone what some of these players do.
Rooney is a ratbag to his wife. However, to the football club and TV etc etc, he is a brilliant player and they, in principal are only concerned what he does on the pitch (that is very similar to working for any company).
Personnally, the huge amount of money plied into football is sick.
Maybe for every transfer, the Government should take 50% and of course hit the players hard and get the tax off them.

I would just love it, if we banned all foriegn footballers and put a max on wages and transfer fees. It has just got so much out of control, it is in danger of imploding on itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 06:18 AM

Even football clubs and fans should have consciences, Arthur.

Sorry, but I'm done with these kind of people. The money, the greed, within football is both sick and sickening. It has poisoned what was once a good time game. It has also poisoned so much of society, where these greedy jerks are held up as some kind of hero, purely because they have good eye to foot co-ordination.

I can only hope that Jimmy Hill hugely regrets what he started when he got meagre wages increased.

It is now way out of control and for anyone to support any club that feeds greed so outrageously, paying football oiks £1 MILLION pounds every single MONTH, is staggerinly wrong.

The fans should be seethingly angry. They should have the integrity to walk away, but of course, they won't, because for some odd reason, this 'tribal warfare' game feeds something deep inside most men, which is to do with victory.

Football is the new face of War, I guess, fuelled by its own Weapons of Mass Destruction, which sadly, reach far out into society as a whole.

There are people in the world DYING, who have no homes, no jobs, not even fresh water to drink, whilst others are saying they want more than £200,000 a WEEK because they're 'worth it'...

IF this prat took his £250,000 and gave it to charity, THEN I might have some respect for him, but nope, it'll all go on Rooney's Wants.

The other things I don't understand about football today is this..

I'm told that football is The Working Man's game. Ok, so if some upper class oik was saying he needed more than £250,000 a week, most from the football supporters world would be baying for his blood, staggerd, shocked and sickened by what they were hearing, but...because they regard Rooney as 'one of their own', it's apparently OK and utterly decent?

What total crap. What total inverted snobbery crap.

Wrong is wrong, no matter who it involves, or where they come from.

Rooney and his club are no different from the Wanker Bankers who are also rubbing the public's nose in their vast salaries and bonuses...and the outcries against Rooney and his like should be just as loud as they are against the Corporate Bastards.

They are all one and the same..and to support *any* of them, is, in my book, pathetically wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 07:15 AM

Re-read the intro to Vanity Fair, Lizzie!

nothing much changes. Enjoy the marionettes! Enjoy the fair!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 07:36 AM

In perspective, one persons salary amounts to three quarters of the money being cut nationally from mobility allowance for people living in care homes.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 08:13 AM

Nothing much changes if some people continue to support so many things that are wrong.

The key to Change lies inside all of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 09:41 AM

hi

The Rooney "saga" goes on and highlights an illness in Football. However surely the same kind of "sickness" occurs in other so-called arts. Actors,singers, ballet dancers , pop stars ( what-ever they are)...etc etc. They are driven by greed and power.

Lizzie - I don't find Rooney's off the field antics acceptable at all. But he is by no means alone in his infidelity. It is rife in today's society. It is not exclusive only to the rich and famous - we only hear about them.

And I believe that today that both sexes are equally guilty of the sort of behaviour that we all point accusing fingers at Rooney for.

I regularly watch Manchester United as did my father and grand-father before me !! I go to be entertained by good quality football - most of the time Man U do deliver on this score.

Players going off the rails is nothing new and I am sure that we can all recall several such players without any difficulty.

I am not saying it is right that off the field behaviour of current players behave as they do but mostly I am able to ignore these exploits as separate from the performance on the pitch.

As a person I do not rate Rooney and his like, very highly but as a footballer he has infinite skills that set him up as one of the best footballers in the World.

Surely it is the system that is to blame not Rooney ???

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 10:33 AM

Put more simply Mike, I reckon that how Wayne Rooney plays football is of interest to me. The rest of his life is no one else's business. I am baffled that the rest of his (or anyone else's) life is something we are supposed to have an opinion on. Am I alone in thinking that sales of gutter press rags are no reason for me to get upset about something, which does not concern me?

"We know no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality." (Oscar Wilde)

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 10:44 AM

Human ingenuity is a wonderful thing. It will always succeed in finding outrageous ways to manifest and display its capacity for vanity and folly.

Wayne Rooney.....getting exercised about his behaviour would be a bit like an adolescent squeezings spots. Theres always going to be another bastard comes up.

The human predicament has its tragic dimension, but Fornicating Wayne Rooney might have been put there by divine intervention to add a comic element.
The hand of dog once again. dirty dog!

Collen is a multi millionaire. perhaps she's the one who gives to charity. The family has already done so much for fallen women.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 12:01 PM

hi alan

Yes you put it better than I did....I pay to see Rooney play football. What he does with his other life is of no interest to me.

Just got back from Stoke. We won 2-1. Rooney didn't play but one of his challengers, Hernandez scored two !!

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 02:03 PM

You had a better afternoon than I did Mike. City were outclassed - a real bonfire of the vanities. Dedryk Boyata (rightly) off after five minutes and thereafter City never got a look in. It is not easy being a football fan!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 06:08 PM

"Yes you put it better than I did....I pay to see Rooney play football. What he does with his other life is of no interest to me.
"


Blimey, good job Hitler didn't play for Man. United then!


Sorry, but if someone's being paid one bloody million pounds a month, then I have little sympathy if his life isn't his own any longer, especially when he's having tantrums, PUBLICALLY, because £800,000 isn't enough for the spoilt brat.

How DARE he dare to behave that way when so many people are losing their jobs, their houses, their whole way of life. He's not better than the Queen when she stood watching Windsor Castle burn down, talking about her 'annus horriblis' and expecting her people to pay for the repairs..not caring a jot that so many of her people were losing their castles, for life and beyond...

Discretion in Recession should be tattooooooed over Rooney's private parts, then he might remember..

If I don't have respect for folks, that's it...out goes their music, their books, their videos, their football tickets, whatever..


And his private life DOES matter, actually, because the way he conducts himself does get into the paper, and well he knows it. It's no good him bleating on one minute, then grinning triumphantly all over the front pages, the next. AND...it matters because for some extraordinary reason, this bloke is looked upon as some kind of hero by many little boys (and girls)...

Maybe Bill Gates will get him to donate 90% of his fortune to charity one day, who knows...and Colleen can do the same thing..and the Beckhams..and all the rest of 'em from Hello Magazine...

Ugh!

I've still not recovered from several years back when I sat spellbound watching the dreaded 'Posh' clambering over a Brazillian rubbish dump, sobbing her heart out over a little girl who lived on it, made her living from it, for a pittance a day. Posh sat there, wailing how her Romeo and Whatisface had never had it so good, and she'd never realised how lucky they were, how much they had...Oh purleeeeeeze!

Then, she hopped on a plane and went back to her £400 handbags in assorted styles and colours with not a care in the world..

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 06:12 PM

To all pedantz....sorry for the grimmatical mistaykes above, but my eyes are desperate to get to bed...

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 09:06 PM

Man U simply hasn't been the same since losing to Kansas City (a weak team) last July.

Probably nobody explained to Man U that Kansas City teams tend to lose 6-8 games, then defeat the top-rated team in their sport. Top-rated teams find this hard to take.

People who don't know about this fail to understand how we can be fans of such losers at the Royals, the Chiefs or the Wizards.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan whittle
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 07:18 AM

Don't think so Leeneia, say what you like about British sporting teams they are totally unpredjudiced, and will lose to absolutely anybody.

Failure is hardwired into the British psych. We all love Captain Scott who got evrybody killed on a brisk walk to the south pole; people recall with joy the exact circumstances of Maradonna knocking a goal in with his fist; Stuart pearce's missed penalty; Bob Massie skittling the entire English cricket team for 70; Mike Gatting getting his face in the way of the West Indian pace attack; the year the English national football team got knocked of the world cup by some part time Swiss bank clerks B team, the list is rich and endless.....

Wayne Rooney being literally too shagged out to run after the ball in the world cup, has entered that honoured pantheon with flying colours

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Alan Day
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 08:24 AM

"Discretion in Recession"
It's got to be pretty big to have all that tattooed on there.
Perhaps "Roon"
In my case
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 09:26 AM

Perhaps the expression "toe-rag" might have been invented to apply to Rooney. As Peter Cook might have put it, he is "proficient in the feet department". At least he used to be.

As\for footballers money, maybe the thing to do is allow clubs to pay what they like, but levy a charge equivalent to whatever they pay in wages or transfer fees not on the player, but on the club.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 10:02 AM

Thanks for the insights, Alan. There goes my theory.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 10:10 AM

Very good, Al. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 11:44 AM

hi lizzie

If I bothered myself what other people do in their private lives I would have committed suicide years ago !!!! lol

I know that you are too young to remember George Best ( Mike being smooth !!) but George was another Man United player who played the field so to speak. Strange thing is that nobody really appeared to dislike " Bestie" - he was talked about as a flawed diamond.
He hoiked himself around on the look for ever more money.....sha..ed almost every bedable woman around.......they have even named an airport after him !!!

As Jimmie Grieves used to say " funny old World".

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 12:47 PM

This is aging me but, I remember when the famous Danny Blanchflower was sold from Aston Villa to Spurs.
The story I heard is he did a stupid thing. He shagged one of the directors wives and that is just playing with fire. So he was shipped to Spurs for £30000. Other reasons were proffered for his transfer.
How true that was I will never know as in the 50's players were always considered to be respectable and things were shoved under the carpet.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 01:35 PM

Those were the days:-

'Pass the hot milk, please!'

Danny even said please.

He was an architect of the modern game.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:56 AM

Perhaps footballers should take a look at their cricketing brothers on how to behave. I expect they celebrate and have a good time when everything is going well and feel down when it is not but they don't appear to let the fans down with disgraceful unruly off the pitch antics and they can put a sentence or two together too when addressing their public. If it was a rugby player who behaved badly as one or two have done they are out, kaput.

With Rooney it is not so much what he has done in his personal life it is just the man. For the length of time Colleen has known him you would have thought that she must know the real man well by now unfortunately babies don't change bad relationships or husbands. His attitude towards her was so cold, similar to his attitude during the world cup. From beginning to end he had a face like a smacked backside. George Best at least was a charmer. I am not saying that excuses it but his demon mostly was alcohol (I am not sure if drugs were involved) and it did get him in the end like a lot of 60/70s icons.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,`utd fan
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 09:51 AM

Seriously though Rooney is no besty,he is not even a Cantona,no better still he isn't even a Giggsy.Most utd fans want rid of the little fecker now we are gauranteed top dollar for him, after him signing the contract.50 mill would get us a top keeper and a replacement for Rooney who by the way is not the type of player who can turn a match with a touch of genius he is not and never was that type of player.The only reason he gets the hype he does is because he is English.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 10:50 AM

hi

I don't agree that most United fans now want to get rid of Rooney.

Also maybe Rooney doesn't quite have the "genius" that Best had.....but he has turned many games with just scoring goals !!!

Ferguson wouldn't have gone into bat for him to stay if he didn't think he was worth it. Better players than Rooney have been shot out of the door before now !!!

Even if United did decide that they could spend the money they would get for Rooney there are not many around who would come that would be worth buying. Benitez tried that and look what has happened to Liverpool !!!!

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 11:05 AM

hi patsy

I am not sure that you are right about picking the "good" behaviour of cricketers to compare with footballers..

The antics of the Pakistan team leave a lot to be desired !!!
Chris Broad has been hauled up for "ungentlemanly conduct on more than one occasion. There have been many match-fixing allegations etc etc.

My son plays cricket and this year while watching him play I have seen several unsavoury and dangerous incidents eg a batsman striking a fielder across the head with his bat - abowler punching the umpire for not giving a batsman out - and several "Chris Broad ball throwing incidents",

There have even been cheating cases in Rugby Union only last year with "blood incidents".

The thing is that football is in the spotlight and the headlines ALL THE TIME. And Rooney at the moment catches most of the bad headlines at the moment.

I anm not saying that I like the man nor do I approve of what players like him earn but we have to face the fact that Rooney plays in front of crowds of 70,000 plus every other week and he puts bums on seats. So one could argue that he earns his money.

regards

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 12:12 PM

Ferguson wouldn't have gone into bat for him to stay if he didn't think he was worth it. Better players than Rooney have been shot out of the door before now !!!" "
       The club comes before any player and all Fergie was worried about was losing him on the cheap now he can relax,he holds all the cards now.He does not really put bums on seats either, we were the best supported club in all divisions when we dropped to the old second division, utd and city have fantastically loyal fans that stick through thick and thin.The one good thing that came from Rooneys lack of respect was the Glazers got a poke in the ribs and will have to back the manager with funds if he asks.Dont forget he hasn't scored since march,we should of kept Tevez he is a far better player imo.I agree with your points about cricket being a bad role model to look to.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 12:46 PM

well I think he's allright. he's on the front page again today - breaking glasses, spending without discretion, living a cushy life.

good on yer mate!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 12:57 PM

<<< ....I know that you are too young to remember George Best ( Mike being smooth !!) but George was another Man United player who played the field so to speak. Strange thing is that nobody really appeared to dislike " Bestie" - he was talked about as a flawed diamond.
He hoiked himself around on the look for ever more money.....sha..ed almost every bedable woman around.......they have even named an airport after him !!!<<<<

Being 55, Mike, I remember George Best extremely well. In my mind he's the best footballer there has ever been, apart from Pele. George is the only person who actually got me watching football, because I was fascinated at the way the ball seemed to be 'attached' to his foot.

George also oozed natural charm, which wasn't egotistical, but simply the way he was. I've heard Michael Parkinson saying, many a time over, that George was the kindest, sweetest person he knew...and it was, sadly, because of that natural charm and open manner of his that he ended up becoming an alcoholic, because, as Parky says, so many people wanted to buy him a drink. Everywhere he went it was "George, have one on me!"...and George didn't quite know what to do. He hated upsetting people, and so he accepted..and accepted...and accepted...

In private he told Parky how much this upset him, because he found himself becoming addicted to drink. Parky told him to just say "No, thanks", but it never worked out that way...because always there was another person, and another and another...And I can recall, after George had died, how sad Parky sounded when he talked of this, how so many people helped George on the road to drink, without ever realising it, without ever knowing...

His wives/girlfriends seem to have stayed very good friends with him..
and his last wife, Angie, stayed and stayed and stayed, throughout the abuse of the alcoholic, because she dearly loved the man, but in the end..even she could take no more as the demons overtook him...

He was very much a part of the Swinging Sixties...blessed with a very handsome face, and a skill that was mind-blowing. As to wages and wanting more, I don't know about that, but certainly footballers back then didn't get the sickening amounts they do now. I'm sure George earnt a great deal from many other things, as well as football...

Sadly, I guess he drank most of it. Such a terrible end for such a lovely man.

Here you can hear him talking to Chris Evans about many things, but the bit I find most interesting is when he's talking about always being 'three moves ahead' when he played football...not knowing how he did it, how it happened...and he says that most of the great players have this skill...

If you read 'The Gift of Dyslexia' by Ronald Davies, you'll find that many athletes are dyslexic. Was George? Who knows, but dyslexic people see in pictures, we have films running through our heads....My Dad, so we found out after his death, wrote perfect 'mirror writing' as a child, struggled to read and his writing, although beautiful was laboriously created by him, slowly but surely...Playing chess with my father I knew that he was always several moves ahead of me, of any opponent, knowing where they'd move, what they'd do, how he's respond...No-one ever beat Dad at chess...and he'd always start off giving them his Queen too. Still, no-one ever beat him, not until after he'd had a stroke, and then I knew he'd lost that ability to see ahead, due to a changed brain pattern I guess..

Anyway, here's George..

George being interviewed in 1998

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 01:20 PM

I remeber George Best.

100

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 02:38 PM

My football hero was and always will be Colin Bell. After his playing career, he was awarded an MBE for his social and charity work. He could play a bit too!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 02:39 PM

hi Lizzie

You are of course quite right about Geaoge Best being a very likeable person. Everyone liked George. He was charming and as you say very good looking and attractive to the other sex.

You are also right about him being possibly the best (no pun intended) footballer ever. Many say that if he had been born English and been able to play in the later stages of the World Cup he would have been even more famous than the great Pele....another gentleman by the way.

My wife met George. At the time she owned a pub here in Cheshire and George came in with some friends. She served him....ORANGE JUICE !!! So every time anyone talks about George being an alcohic she always brings up this fact. She also talks about him having the most " beautiful eyes".

I have seen George play many times for Manchester United and he was always fantastic. Many players tried to stop him by being physical and fouling him all the time but George was clever and managed to avoid or ride most of the fouls.

In another message on this thread I said that Wayne Rooney put bums on seats. I didn't express this in the way I meant. I meant that as a member of Manchester United he WITH THE OTHER PLAYERS put bums on seats.

But George Best certainly did on his own put bums on seats. In his later years he came to play for Stockport County and he took their gates from under 1000 to 10,000+ every time he played. He increased the gates at every other club he played for. Whatever George was paid he earned it.

regards

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 04:36 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 04:37 PM

Beautifully put, Mike...

The George Best Foundation

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 04:54 PM

A very moving video about George...

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Alan Day
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:06 PM

I too enjoyed the wonderful skills of George Best , but I must mention my other two hero's Bobby Charlton and Jimmy Greaves.
I was lucky in the early days being a Chelsea supporter then (not now)and seeing Jimmy's first game . He was a natural goal scorer and scored on his debut as he did with other clubs.From the age of eighteen he scored some fantastic goals and went past players as if they did not exist. He was rubbish in Italy, but won everything with Tottenham. The game changed not long after that, the heavy mob came in ,the twinkle toe boys who danced around players were flattened. Rooney fits the modern game, an X boxer, a hard nut with some talent (when in form). That is why he gets his money.I do not know if he is active in the Charity World , his Wife is completely involved with trying to help her seriously ill Sister, although I notice that they are both on holiday.
As a final note ,I must say that the letter published in The Daily Mail today Alan Day Basingstoke is not me, or any relation. I did work there once however.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 09:15 PM

Granted georgie Best was gorgeous and wayne looks like a pantomime villain.

But I bet the personal example set by Best in the 1960's was pretty worrying if you had a young daughter of son. people were even more gormless and uneducated about sex in those days than they are now.

the thing that wayne and george have in common was that were and are so rich that they didn't/won't spend a lifetime sorting out the havoc they make/made of other peoples lives.

like I said though - Vanity Fair - girls have always gone for the George Osbornes rather than the Dobbins.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 10:15 AM

People like George Best and Charlie George etc. did something else for the game suddenly women were paying a bit more attention to to the game. So with all the publicity and hype that goes with it we are all guilty of making them such hot property. Even the critics have enjoyed having a rant about it if the truth be known and will I watch the next Euro? Most probably.

On a different note it appears that David Beckham wishes to play for England again. What do we think about that one?

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 11:04 AM

yes indeed. Beckham in shorts looks very cute. The world stage is the only place.

Great aftershave too.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:56 AM

I see in today's papers that Manchester United boss Alex Ferguson is to sell Wayne Rooney in the summer.

They claim that Rooney and Ferguson's relationship, already rocky following the striker's contract negotiations last autumn, has reached an all-time low in recent weeks - despite the fact that the 25-year-old has finally rediscovered his scoring touch.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 09:06 AM

He can come to the Villa in a swap for Emile Heskey

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 10:29 AM

Ah - but do you think he will?

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 11:04 AM

Emile heskey. Yes of course he would :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 11:21 AM

George Best will always be remembered as a drunk who put two fingers up at the great work carried out by those involved in organ donation. Someone's life could have been saved with that transplant.

A number of people returned their donor cards thanks to him.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 11:43 AM

"George Best will always be remembered as a drunk who put two fingers up at the great work carried out by those involved in organ donation. Someone's life could have been saved with that transplant.

A number of people returned their donor cards thanks to him."


George Best started out in football as an incredible footballer..There has never been anyone who has surpassed his natural and unique talent, in my opinion.

Little by little he became a 'celebrity'...this shy lad from Ireland with the film star looks....and everyone wanted to buy him a drink...Ask Michael Parkinson, who was a good and dear friend of George Best for most of his life. It saddened Parky deeply to watch this brilliant footballer and lovely man slowly turning into an alcoholic, because he never liked to upset people, never liked to say "No, thanks" when folks were almost beside themselves in their rush to get him a drink.....

And so...he drank..and drank...and drank, until he became totally addicted, not just to alcohol, but to fame...and little by little his downslide began.....and all those who had built his upslide, now sat round like the Guillotine Knitters, knitting his downslide..tuttutting, shaking their heads...

Do you know what it's like to be an alcoholic, Richie? Do you understand the self loathing, the self disgust, the terror, the fear, the tremors, the addiction?   

He tried so hard to fight it...and lost...finally losing that final battle.

Yes, George played a big part in his own downfall, but the whole thing was started for him by the adoring public, who, like you, chewed him up and spat him out at the end of his life...

Maybe George couldn't cope with having the liver of another person inside him...did you ever think of that? They can get you to fill in forms, counsel you till the cows come home to see if you're 'suitable' material for the transplant material...but at the end of the day, you have to spend the rest of your days knowing the someone died, to give you life and part of them is inside you...and perhaps that freaked George out...

Maybe it was his marriage finally caving in, despite his lovely wife having stood by him for so long...

Maybe he simply lost the will to live..and being in the spotlight again, this time for his liver transplant, became just too much too bear.....

George Best was a brilliant footballer and a lovely man. Sadly, the Beautiful Game took him down Ugly Paths, but he wasn't a bad person, he wasn't a selfish oik.....

Parkinson met the rich and famous of the world, interviewed thousands of people, could spot the phoneys and the bastards with his eyes closed, but he always held George close to his heart...and that, I think, says FAR more than you could ever hope to say about a man you never even knew.

The George Best Foundation

And if you read this, you'll get an idea that perhaps George was 'on the circle', a brilliant talent, intelligent, but very quiet, shy almost at times...often unable to put his feelings into words...Alcohol numbs the pain, the fear......

Michael talking about George

"..George Best was sometimes a difficult man to defend in the aftermath of a drunken episode.

What was never a problem was to talk of his genius as a player and to love him as a friend.

That was easy."

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 11:50 AM

"..A number of people returned their donor cards thanks to him."

Rubbish. They probably returned their cards because they weren't sure in the first place and that was the excuse they were looking for...

I've handled 'graft material', corneas....spoken with morticians, done the 'Hi there, do you have any corneal graft material for use for today, please'...then held on whilst they go to check who'd died that day....

Quite frankly, it was bloody awful...barbaric, even though I got to see the other side of the operation, when someone had their sight restored...

I think far more money should be put into developing manmade graft materials....and that we should go back to allowing the dead to die with dignity, treat them spiritually, rather than see their bodies as a harvest to be plucked for the use of others...

Just my personal thing...and I'm absolutely 100% against all of us being 'viewed' as donor material unless we've specifically requested not to be...That's the most awful thing to try to bring in...

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Brian May
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 11:58 AM

"Wayne Rooney on the way out" . . . I hope so, I'm fed up hearing about him and his private life.

He's a footballer for Christ's sake, I just wonder why they're treated like demi-gods and 'heroes'.

Heroes are the guys digging bodies out of the aftermath of the earthquakes, tsunamis, trying to sort out nuclear reactors - they're also probably a sodding sight brighter too.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 12:15 PM

George Best will always be remembered as a drunk who put two fingers up at the great work carried out by those involved in organ donation. Someone's life could have been saved with that transplant.

Hard to believe someone above could still defend him.

Well as the old saying goes "It takes one to know one".

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 01:17 PM

Richie, why in god's name have you dug up all this old rubbish?

You all know that writing bollocks and talking shite is my way of interracting with the world. There should be a statute of limitations, so that old men - like myself - are spared being confronted with past offences.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 01:31 PM

Al,

If you care to read the thread again with just a little more care, you will note that this morning I revived it due to some sections of the media reporting Wayne Rooney may be leaving Manchester United.

It was our answer to Ruby Murray that brought up George Best, not me.

So get the facts straight before you launch your mouth please.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 01:36 PM

"George Best will always be remembered as a drunk who put two fingers up at the great work carried out by those involved in organ donation. Someone's life could have been saved with that transplant.

Hard to believe someone above could still defend him."


Not really. I'm sure there are more than a few folks who've had transplants, who, at the time of surgery, were desperately grateful, wanting to live, wanting to show their appreciation for what had happened to them....but hey, you know, sometimes 'life' gets in the way, and things don't have the endings you may anticipate.

If you want to piss all over someone with your nasty words, then at least do it to someone who's still alive, better yet, someone who knows you, so that they can at least bop you on the nose with your unpleasant, uncaring, unfeeling arrogance...

Thanks...

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 02:00 PM

Funny how someone always remains you of a song. "Labelled With Love" by Squeeze.

As I said, Ruby Murray. Defending it as it's too close to home.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 02:02 PM

Opps, Reminds, not "remains" just a little slip there.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: gnu
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 03:06 PM

Apparently, he's been on the way out since October.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 03:29 PM

"As I said, Ruby Murray. Defending it as it's too close to home."

Nope, it's not close to home at all...I simply seem to have been born with a more empathetic nature than you. End of...

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 06:24 AM

George Best was a different lifetime ago, as far as today goes sporting people (and celebraties) that are in the public eye are or should be more aware about things that keep them healthy good diet, early nights, no alcohol, no ciggies and no fights. Everywhere you look there is someone banging on about it so if Rooney doesn't take it on board then that's his own fault and deserves all he gets. He has to remember though that there are going to be other young talented players coming along to take his place.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 11:03 AM

hi

Can I say that after watching |United beat Arsenal on Saturday that Wayne Rooney is on the way back to his best.

He appears to have re-found the energy and skill that he showed until the World Cup disaster.

On Saturday his movement and running off the ball was fanastic and his distribution superb.

Oh and he has scored a few in the last few games.

Wayne leaving???? Don't think so.

Wll well City V United Semi.......!!!!

But what idiots decided to move the semis to London ??

Certainly not the supporters. Three teams from Manchester area and the other from Stoke ; just a cockstride away.
This doesn't make sense to me...I know......I know ....it's politics and economics ( for the FA).

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 01:56 PM

Mike
It is disgraceful that the semi's have to be played at Wembley.

Wembley has a crap surface and I wonder if they will ever get that right.

You would have thought that with the fuel costs hurtling upwards and the cost of living spiralling, that some stupid idiot would have been more sensible and kept the matches in the Midlands and north.

I get so pissed off with the f***** Londoner's getting all the gravy. dratsabs.

grump grump grump.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 02:56 PM

It looks like a double for United this year. They have beaten City easily every time they have played them over the past couple of years. I can not see either Stoke or Bolton defeating United at Wembely without a bizarre stroke of luck. The only fly in the ointment could be tired legs. Unlikely as it is that City will win, they are now as good as out of Europe, whereas United look likely to progress at least another round. Possibly United will have secured the league title by then, so Ferguson will be able to rest tired players and put out reserve teams in league games by mid-April. By their standards, this is not a particularly inspiring United side, but they look a cut above anything else around in the Premier League at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 03:39 PM

hi alan

I saw the last United v City game and I don't think United beat them easily. It took a "wondergoal" from out of sorts Rooney to turn the game.

I do agree though that this year's United is probably the least exciting one we have had for almost as long as I can remember. It has taken some brilliant tactical decisions by Ferguson and some inspired selection decisions to keep United on top. They are hard to beat though; especially at Old Trafford and this and the fact that the Premier League is probably the most evenly contested one right down the places which has meant that some unlikely results have happened to all the top teams.

Tired legs might come into it and ironically Arsenal could benefit by being knocked out of the FA Cup last Saturday by United. Arsenal now can concentrate all their efforts on the League and don't have the extra Cup & European games to play.

Cheers

mikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 04:08 PM

Hey Mike, I heard that Ashley Young is going to Man U in the summer and Rooney is off to Villa Park. Straight swop.

As I am sure you appreciate Rooney has worn fergies patience out and all he wants to do is get rid of him.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 06:02 PM

I saw most of the last Manchester derby too and think that City played reasonably well, although we never got close to scoring - apart from a complete fluke, which you could not have made up. What frightened me was the fact that I felt United won comfortably without even playing well. (In its way Nani's opener was also a brilliant piece of finishing). The game which really showed up the difference though was the second League Cup game last year. United did virtually nothing (deliberately) until the last few minutes of the tie. The footballing lesson they gave us after that will haunt Manccini's dreams for years. All our ball supply to both wings was simply cut off and we were embarrassingly outclassed. It is football, of course, and anything can happen, although another horrible statistic (from our point of view) is that City have not won a cup tie of any sort against Man U since 1970! United will be looking forward to it more than us, for all of the bravado, which will inevitably be on display! United are able to win without playing well, whereas City will have to play above themselves to even compete. Maybe we can get lucky like we did at Stamford Bridge last year, when Chelsea outclassed us yet we still ran off with the points!

Er Arthur... about those transfer plans... I should have a plan B in place!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 06:12 PM

Err naagh.
We don't want Rooney. Thug, woman beater, overpaid terwat.

Sorry Mike :-)

I would rather that Ashley Young goes to Man u for the highest overpriced deal possible. He doesn't want to be with the Villa. So good riddance.

The last decent player we bought from Man U was Paul McGrath. Nobody like that anymore at Man U.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 07:38 AM

hi

Arthur

Naturally I don't agree with some of your criticisms of Rooney. I admit that like many before him he is not a perfect role model for the young aspiring professional.

But contra to what is written here he IS a match winner. That is what Fergie saw in him as a youngster and only last Saturday he was very instrumental in disposing of Arsenal from their third competition in less than two weeks.

As for Ashley Young, I am not sure that he is good enough to get in United's side. OK he might be a natural replacement for Giggs but he would struggle to get in against Valencia and Nani. But Fergie is a man that wants a very strong squad and Young could qualify as that.

With regard to the (im)possibility of Rooney going to Villa, let's just say that if he could afford him Houlier would jump at the chance !!!

Villa have some good young players beginning to emerge and I am sure that they will continue to improve after the seismic shock of Martin O'Neil's departure. These things do to time. Let's hope that Villa understand this and don't leap for the dismissal bell like several other Premier League teams have.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 09:21 AM

I see in The Guardian today that Nani may be leaving United. They report that the Portuguese winger is considering his future at Old Trafford.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 09:44 AM

Hi Mike
I don't suppose Gh will get the chance that Fergie got when he first joined Man U. It took Fergie some time to get things right, but they perservered with him and look what he has achieved. Biggest gum chewer in the PL :-)
GH if given the time, will pull Villa round, and will get rid of the overpaid, I don't want to earn my corn, thick as a brick players that we have at the moment.

The young players are arguably some of the best players coming through at this moment in time.

So, as long as they stay up, then I think there will be a big shake up in the summer, with better results next year.

Trouble with GH is that he makes some silly statements, that seem to upset a lot of people. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 10:09 AM

hi Richie

<"I see in The Guardian today that Nani may be leaving United. They report that the Portuguese winger is considering his future at Old Trafford.">

This is the way that professionals footballers ask for a rise these days.

Could be he watched the Rooney fiasco !!!

Cheers

Mikel2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: breezy
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 04:23 PM

re playing the semis in the south.

dontcha know you guys from oop there like a day away from the wetlands and as far as I know most man u supporters live down south as they are the ones who can afford the ticket prices.

Villa ? No chance

I bet no other British club will have W R and as for playing abroad, , well dont make me laugh

As for new talent filling the void I am certain it wont be home grown.

Nani wants away from the stress.

if and when W R goes, then Fergie, wont be long after !!!

I'll put me crystal balls away now

Villa , ha ha ha, did they win the Carling, no the blues did.

Ashley Young ? totally over-rated and Agbonla hor

Now if Jack Wilshere were to play for Charlton

oops , slipping into frivolity

like Villa, dream on

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 06:28 PM

Breezy
You will never get booked at Faldingworth. Up the Villa.

Gobby Welshman :-) LOL

Les

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: breezy
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 07:03 AM

I did, on my way up, I aint on the the way down yet Les ;-}

Villa ha ha , to the tune of the Blue[s] Danube

I much prefer basketball, off to watch the NCAA play offs now bye

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 08:03 AM

Good point Mikel2.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 08:06 AM

hi breezy

Did you watch Wayne Rooney last night??? Almost back to his heady best !!!

There are several English clubs that would take Rooney like a shot - if the price is right. Certainly David Moyes at Everton would be one.

Fergie is nearly 70 and will be going soon that is obvious. There are many rumblings in the media about who might replace him. Mourino seems to be the current favourite but I fancy either David Moyes or Martin O'Neil. But I know nothing !!! Just conjecture.

I watched them last night and they were like the curates egg. Great in parts and bad in others. I don't see them beating Barcelona on this form but Fergie has pulled out bigger miracles than this in the past.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 10:37 AM

The great thing about football - probably the part which makes it the most unpredictable and exciting - is that the better team does not always win. It usually finishes that way, of course, as it ought to. However, we all know that a spectacular clanger, or a moment of brilliance or exceptional luck from one side can result in a draw or even a win for the inferior side. I believe that although this can happen in all sports, it actually does happen more frequently in football.
I recall that last season Man City went to Stamford Bridge and were outclassed (predictably) by Chelsea. However, Chelsea finished the game with nine men and lost 4-2. Chelsea were above on all the games statistics (for instance 17 to six goal attempts) except the one which mattered.
Probably the main reason for bizarre results is that no matter how dominant a team is, they still need a bit of luck to score a goal. Wayne Rooney's goal against City a couple of weeks ago was undoubtedly brilliant, yet the next time he attempts that shot, it will probably land in the stand. That does not make it any less skillful, but you always need luck as well. I do not expect United to beat Barcelona either, but you right Mike, it could happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 11:02 AM

Hi Alan

I agree entirely with you about luck being a necessary factor in making football ( and other sports) more interesting.

Of course sometimes it appears that the top sides get more luck than the others.

In the post war years Arsenal earned the named of " Lucky Arsenal" because the Gods often appeared to shaine on them.

Recently Man United have had their share of good luck- especially with referee decisions. Arthur will well remember the Vidic penalty claim when Man U played Villa last year -or was it the year before.....they go so quickly these days.

I wasn't suggesting luck when thinking about the possibility of United playing Barcelona. I was thinking about Fergie's abilities to be able to plan and get his team to play to match-winning tactics.

Call Fergie what you want ( and many people do ) but his record shows that he is a manager without parallel and has been for many years.

But I suppose we are lucky in having him !!

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 12:58 PM

No doubt about that, but he is also a bad tempered whinger at times! There is not a manager in British football with a record to touch him and I will probably not live to see another one better. He has already far outstripped the achievements of Sir Matt Busby, which is not to denigrate his fellow Scot. I would not be surprised to see him last a few more years. If he is in good health, there is nothing to stop him.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 03:51 PM

hi Alan

I see that Fergie got a £30000 fine and five matches on the sidelines for his latest "misdemeanor".

I think that is fair enough. He has had many spats with authorities and to some extent he has got away with them. Do you think this will change him???? I doubt it.

cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 04:01 PM

Of course it won't change him Mike. He will still carry on chewing his gum.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 04:33 PM

Mike, I do not think it will change him any more than you do. I think the age at which people can be persuaded to behave differently has long been passed by the awkward old cuss. No one will be in the least surprised if in ten years time he is still chewing gum and hurling abuse at referees. He certainly does not have the urbane charm of Roberto Mancini - but that is not what he gets paid for!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: breezy
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 09:54 AM

Rooney to Everton ? back to where he came from ? while Tevez does what?

Rooney would benefit from having a strong father, grand-father figure to guide him or a mentor, or psychologist. but it must be someone who Rooney will respect.

Sir Alex is showing signs of tiredness and is being worn down by Rooney.

Rooney shows scant respect to many people.



Sir Matt Busby will always be held in the highest esteem, a gentleman, and then there was Jimmy Murphy, a gentleman.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 11:57 AM

Hi Breezy

In today's paper Rooney has given a long interview which states -:

he now has no intention of ever leaving United
He has no problems with Fergie nor vice-versa
He is pleased with the different role Fergie has given him to play - "free"
He is encouraged by the performance of young players coming through the ranks etc etc

Frankly I don't care where Tevez goes but I believe he will be gone in the summer either to Spain or back to Argentina.

Some people saw Fergie as a father figure for Rooney but I guess he messed than one up.

I agree with your comments about Sir Matt Busby and Jimmie Murphy - often forgotten but brilliant scout for United....and a nice man to boot.

While on the United theme may I offer Bryan Robson one of United's best ever players ( and England's) my best wishes as he fights throat cancer. He was always a fighter and I have no doubts that he will fight this horrible disease.

As a person who has experienced throat cancer and made a full recovery I am naturally going to follow this very closely.

My best wishes go out to Bryan and his family and wish Bryan a good recovery.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 12:54 PM

Yes, definitely wishing Bryan Robson well.
Sadly I think you are also right about Carlos Tevez. He has done a great job for us but the truth is, we are not quite yet up to his very high standards. I do not think he will return to South America, as there is hardly any club there which could afford his very expensive services. Real Madrid or a top Italian club look more likely destinations. After the Robinho fiasco, I think City will be wary of just buying any top striker, whom they can afford (which these days probably means any top striker...) Our vain and ugly behaviour there - as in the bids for Kaka and Torres - made us look pretty grotesque. City will have to change the style of play - probably with two taller, but fast forwards hunting together. That could mean a return for Jo if he is still at Eastlands next year. He is left footed and he can play a bit.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 12:33 PM

hi alanabit

Not sure why you need to specify another tall striker.

I have been watching Man U for many years and other than Van Nisselrooy I can't remember any tall strikers that were prolific.

IMHO the best we ever had was Dennis Law and he was only about 5'8 or so.

Hernandez keeps hitting the net and he is not called "little pea " for nothing.

As for me; Lionel Messi would be OK for United!!

I see with have another two games with Chelsea as a result of today's draw. Doesn't really matter who you get a this stage - you just have to be able to beat who-ever you get at this stage.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 03:32 PM

I guess you are right on most counts. Michael Owen has scored as many goals with his head as most men twice his size. However, I think that once Tevez is gone, City may well go for two tall strikers, because we have been scoring so few goals in the air up to now. We should also have Adam Johnson and Kolarov fit to give bit of supply next season. Our current method of approach may well have to change. After another disgraceful outburst from Balotelli last night, which effectively sealed our fate, one wonders how long Mancini will persist with him. When Dzeko finds his feet, the left footed Jo may well get an extended run. I think that once he has got his name on the score sheet a couple of times, his confidence will soar and he could well take off.
United certainly have it all to do. My guess is they will be wanting to put the Championship beyond anyone else's reach before fixture congestion can catch up with them. Every game from now on is a big one for them!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: alanabit
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 05:01 AM

After the red card for Rooney's unprovoked assault on an opponent yesterday I wonder if I am the only one to wonder whether he should ever wear an England shirt again. His thuggish kick certainly annoyed me far more than England's dismal performance last night. I can stomach losing, but not sending out the message to the rest of the world that we condone thuggery.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 08:30 AM

One also has to wonder Alan, if Rooneys dad had a bet on him getting sent off. Well it makes no sense what Rooney did.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 09:41 AM

The idea that sportsmen (or women) is or should be role models is a daft one. Just as it would be for any other entertainers.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 10:32 AM

Now that Andy's gone can Wayne be far behind?

Too American? Sorry...............


Spaw(;<))

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Musket
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 10:58 AM

We set up footballers to be role models, ambassadors and the rest of it... In some ways, quite rightly too, especially as they are role models for young impressionable lads.

Wayne Rooney may be everything in this thread and more, who knows? Tell you what though, his behaviour in the face of taunting and media pressure, his father's predicament and the pressure to deliver on the pitch? Must have to be Superman to handle that, not just a lad who can kick a ball, (and what a kick...)

Wayne Rooney is paid to entertain. Football fans realise you cannot perform 90 mins of every game, and like a morning fishing without a bite, it's still fishing... You can argue whether he was in the right frame of mind in his personal life to be able to play a vital England game, but once on the pitch, you have to deal with what you have let loose.

If he didn't have the red mist, he wouldn't be as eager to play and perform. Yes, his foul was ugly, brutal and unnecessary, and the rules say you get sent off, so he was sent off. All p[art of the rules. Anybody who objects to football being a physical game though should stick to synchronised swimming. Referees these days have been influenced too much by rich clubs with expensive "livestock" who can't afford to have them injured, leading to an almost non contact sport. And that's just too boring..... The media want to see foul play, the fans want to see foul play, everybody likes to be outraged.

Its the hypocrisy I object to.

RRRROOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNEEEEEEYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Arnie
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 11:39 AM

Yesterday morning Rooney's dad said that he wouldn't comment on the betting scam until after England's 2-2 draw with Montenegro. Well, you've got to have a bit of a sense of humour to support England.....

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 12:41 PM

Nothing surprises me about that supreme oik. He deserves to be dropped from the England team.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out
From: BTNG
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 12:48 PM

Well, wel, the Yahoo mentality, such as it is, appears to have migrated here, the yobs, the chavs.......

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out (UK football)
From: gnu
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 08:22 PM

I didn't see it. I didn't see the game. I can only offer this and this is SHEER conjecture which is absolutely based on NOTHING so read it that way.

IF you did not witness the game live, how do know Rooney wasn't pissed about having uncalled fouls committed on him? Especially if they were behind the play and should have been picked up by the side judges but were not?

Is it thuggery to say "Fuck that! I was wronged and I am gonna make the fucker pay and I don't give a shit what happens to me." in retaliation?

HEY! Before you get on my ass, remember I said I saw nothing and have NO basis for my words BUT... that kinda crap goes on all the time and IF that it was happened, good for Rooney. You might say it was stupid after the fact but the fact is he is the one who took the heat for what he did. Rash? Only if you think Rooney could have helped in the future and should have taken the shit (IF it happened) to help in the future.

On the other hand, IF Rooney was just being a thug, toss him in the river.... after his jersey is removed for good.

Seriously... was it PURE thuggery? I would really like to know if that is the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out (UK football)
From: Arnie
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 06:11 AM

gnu - Dzudovic won the ball off Rooney who didn't like this, ran up behind Dzudovic and kicked him. Ok, so Dzudovic did a dying swan act but he was entitled to feel a bit peeved at being hacked down from behind. It's all on YouTube under 'Rooney foul' if you want a look.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out (UK football)
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 06:15 AM

Is it thuggery to say "Fuck that! I was wronged and I am gonna make the fucker pay and I don't give a shit what happens to me." in retaliation?

The game does not support retaliation or revenge.

IF that it was happened
I don't know if there was any previous provocation but Rooney can be a bit hot headed anyway.

On the other hand, IF Rooney was just being a thug, toss him in the river.... after his jersey is removed for good.

I'm no fan of Rooney but having seen the incident on the Internet, I do think some are getting a bit over excited about this one. It was needless and stupid but I don't think it was worth more then the sending off (which will also lead to a suspension) he got and perhaps a bollocking from his manager.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out (UK football)
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 06:25 AM

I don't give a shit what happens to me

And a comment on that Gnu.

Remember in a team game, it is not about "ME". Getting sent off in football means the team has one fewer players on the pitch for the remainder of the game.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out (UK football)
From: Musket
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 07:02 AM

I accept that Gnu is making a point that we are all human and my post above is trying to say that too.

But Rooney was right to have been sent off and by the team then dropping to ten men and our most inspirational player not being available for the next game, he has let the team down. As I said, it was a risk playing him and you win some lose some. All this Rooney bashing serves to do nothing but increase the risk of football fans being denied his unquestionable talent. He has the money now to say "Fuck this for a lark." I suppose it is his sense of wanting to play football anyway that prevents that, and the game should be grateful. He is one of the few who will be spoken of to Grandchildren fifty years hence. Oh, and fans of all sides expect a bit of niggle. That's why the game has a referee, two linesmen and an assistant referee. If players didn't wind each other up, we wouldn't need them.

Mind you Gnu, we have enough confusion with linesmen being called assistant referees by telly commentators. Side judges is a new one on me, but not an issue, as I know what you mean. The physically unfit blokes with flags who seemed to be five yards behind play all night and couldn't pick up an offside if it asked them to buy it a drink in a night club.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out (UK football)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 07:11 AM

Drift, but contd from above ~~

I believe Assistant Referee is now the official name for what used to be called a Linesmn [it is even displayed on their badges IIRC], while the one who operates the board and controls the players' and officials' benches is called the Fourth Official.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out (UK football)
From: Musket
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 07:27 AM

Yes, FIFA did start calling them assistant referees.

I don't work for FIFA though, (I'd be rich in bribes if I did.) Neither do TV commentators, and linesman is the traditional term and I get a bit fed up with the constant chiselling away at the traditions of what I still call a sport, albeit hanging on by a thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out (UK football)
From: gnu
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 08:00 AM

My apologies... yes, of course a red card card means the loss of a position for the rest of the game.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out (UK football)
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 08:21 AM

Wayne Rooney Snr, the England striker's father, and uncle Richie Rooney were among nine men arrsted recently, along with Motherwell midfielder Steve Jennings as part of an investigation into suspicious betting activity in a Scottish Premier League match.

Subject: RE: BS: Wayne Rooney on the way out (UK football)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 08:30 AM

Alas, Ian, as St Paul remarked, it is vain to "kick against the pricks" — a locution, it oft appears to me, of peculiar felicity in certain instances.

~Michael~