BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)

Subject: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 03:40 PM

This only differs from the tactics of the KKK and Bull Conner by a few decades. I don't support Rand Paul but I sure as hell don't support ANYBODY doing this sort of crap.

BTW, the stomper apologized and the Paul organization has fired him.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 03:40 PM

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/don/STOMP.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 03:42 PM

I've got a million of em Rapaire...

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 03:57 PM

ignorance+hatred=violence

The bulk of the Tea Party followers are motivated by several factors:
hatred of Obama, hatred of liberals(which also includes centrists), simple-minded economics(let the danged banks fail!), self-interest (I got my dang Medicare so screw anybody that needs health insurance). What they lack is any rational thought-process to back it up. And so they step on the head of a defenseless woman. "hell, she ort to uv got a lot worse!"
And I used to think people in my home state had good common sense, at least.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 04:20 PM

"BTW, the stomper apologized and the Paul organization has fired him. "

Where have you seen that? I haven't yet seen anything of the sort. Identified, yes, but apologized, and fired? I have not seen that.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 04:22 PM

Associated Press. It wasn't much of an apology.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 05:50 PM

Last I heard, Ron Paul had only commented - via his "organization" - that he decried the "scuffle" that occurred and admonished all parties to exercise restraint and civility (paraphase) and that he was relieved that no one was injured.

First, there's no evidence I've seen or heard to the effect that Lauren Valle in any way instigated the "scuffle" or even fought back physically.   

Second, stomping on the head/shoulders of someone who's already on the ground and being held down by someone else is not what I call a "scuffle." It's assault and battery.

Third, Valle was diagnosed with "mild sprains and a concussion" after being taken to hospital. I'd say the "no one was injured" comment was premature and presumptuous.   

Republicans/ Tea Partiers are upset because a stage hand at a Democratic rally was sent home - with pay - for refusing to take off (or turn inside out) a shirt that said "Bush." Yet people who are not Republican Party or Tea Party supporters are forcibly removed from pro-Repubican rallies, even handcuffed and arrested, and when one of them is physically attacked by a Rand Paul supporter, Paul won't even condemn that action.

Lauren Valle was an "infiltrator" posing as a Rand supporter, attempting to get a picture of herself presenting Paul with a fake award. Since when is that a threat to a candidate?
Where's the "libertarian" voice defending her right to do that?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:29 PM

Lonesome EJ

The bulk of the Tea Party followers are motivated by several factors:
The application of the same standards to BOTH sides of the issue.
An attempt to find out the facts of the case BEFORE passing judgement.



"Rand Paul volunteer ordered to court for scuffle

By ROGER ALFORD - Associated Press LEXINGTON, Ky. -- The volunteer with Rand Paul's Republican U.S. Senate campaign who stepped on the head of a liberal activist and pinned her face to the concrete said Tuesday the scuffle was not as bad as it looked on video and blamed police for not intervening.

"I'm sorry that it came to that, and I apologize if it appeared overly forceful, but I was concerned about Rand's safety," Tim Profitt told The Associated Press.

A judge will decide whether Profitt should face criminal charges.

   
AP - In this Monday, Oct. 25, 2010 image taken from video and released by WDRB/Louisville, Lauren Valle of liberal group MoveOn.org, seen in red, is held on the ground by supporters of Republican U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul as she tries to confront the candidate, in Lexington Ky., after Paul and Democratic opponent Jack Conway debated. (AP Photo/WDRB/Louisville) MANDATORY CREDIT

AP - In this Monday, Oct. 25, 2010 image taken from video and released by WDRB/Louisville, Lauren Valle of liberal group MoveOn.org, seen in red, is taken to the ground by supporters of Republican U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul as she tries to confront the candidate, in Lexington Ky., after Paul and Democratic opponent Jack Conway debated. (AP Photo/WDRB/Louisville) MANDATORY CREDIT

AP - In this Monday, Oct. 25, 2010 image taken from video and released by WDRB/Louisville, Lauren Valle of liberal group MoveOn.org, seen in red, is held on the ground by supporters of Republican U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul as she tries to confront the candidate, in Lexington Ky., after Paul and Democratic opponent Jack Conway debated. (AP Photo/WDRB-Louisville) MANDATORY CREDIT

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Paul volunteer ordered to court for scuffle

Paul volunteer ordered to court for scuffle


The volunteer with Rand Paul's Republican U.S. Senate campaign who stepped on the head of a liberal activist and pinned her face to the concrete said Tuesday the scuffle was not as bad as it looked on video and blamed police for not intervening.

"I'm sorry that it came to that, and I apologize if it appeared overly forceful, but I was concerned about Rand's safety," Tim Profitt told The Associated Press.

A judge will decide whether Profitt should face criminal charges.


Rand Paul supporter apologizes for stepping on activist's head

Rand Paul supporter apologizes for stepping on activist's head


A supporter of Republican U.S. Senate nominee Rand Paul is apologizing after he was seen on video stepping on a liberal activist's head.

Tim Profitt, a volunteer with the Republican's U.S. Senate campaign, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that the camera angle made the scuffle Monday night appear worse that it was. He criticized police for not stepping in and says other supporters warned authorities about the activist.

Paul has cut ties with Profitt, of Paris, Ky., who allegedly assaulted a liberal activist during a rally Monday night in Lexington, his campaign announced Tuesday afternoon.


Rand Paul volunteer being served with criminal summons after stomping incident

Rand Paul volunteer being served with criminal summons after stomping incident


A supporter of Republican U.S. Senate nominee Rand Paul is being served with a criminal summons after he was seen on video stepping on a liberal activist's head at a rally Monday night, according to Lexington police.

Tim Profitt, a volunteer with Paul's campaign, told the Herald-Leader he was concerned the woman was trying to attack Paul and acted only to subdue her.

"The way she went after him it looked like something bad was getting ready to happen," said Profitt, 53, of Bourbon County.


Paul supporter ordered to court after scuffle with activist

Paul supporter ordered to court after scuffle with activist


A supporter of Republican U.S. Senate nominee Rand Paul is being served with a criminal summons after he was seen on video stepping on a liberal activist's head at a rally Monday night, according to Lexington police.

Tim Profitt, a volunteer with Paul's campaign, told the Lexington Herald-Leader he was concerned the woman was trying to attack Paul and acted only to subdue her.

"The way she went after him it looked like something bad was getting ready to happen," said Profitt, 53, of Bourbon County, Ky.


News briefs from around Kentucky at 4:58 p.m. EDT

News briefs from around Kentucky at 4:58 p.m. EDT


LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) - The volunteer with Rand Paul's Republican U.S. Senate campaign who stepped on the head of a liberal activist and pinned her face to the concrete said Tuesday the scuffle was not as bad as it looked on video and blamed police for not intervening.

"I'm sorry that it came to that, and I apologize if it appeared overly forceful, but I was concerned about Rand's safety," Tim Profitt told The Associated Press.

A judge will decide whether Profitt should face criminal charges.

Lauren Valle, the 23-year-old activist with the group MoveOn.org, said her face was swollen and her neck and shoulder were sore after she was wrestled to the ground by Paul supporters Monday night before a debate between the tea party favorite and Democrat Jack Conway.

Valle was roughed up as she tried to give Paul a fake "employee of the month" award. She told police she was assaulted while trying to take a picture with Paul.

The race is one of the most closely watched and hotly contested in the midterm elections.

"I think that this is an extreme example of the kinds of sentiments that people are feeling in many races across the country," Valle said. "I think that tension is incredibly high."

Paul's campaign dropped Profitt as campaign coordinator in Bourbon County in central Kentucky and banned him from future events.

Lexington Division of Police spokeswoman Sherelle Roberts said Tuesday that officers will deliver a summons to Profitt to appear in court. A judge will determine whether to proceed with an assault case.

Profitt said the fight never would have occurred if police officers had intervened earlier.

"A friend of mine went up to three policeman before Rand got there, and told them about the girl who was standing there with that wig on and that she was getting ready to do something," Profitt said. "The policemen looked at him and said that's not our job."

Paul campaign manager Jesse Benton said Profitt's actions were unacceptable and would not be tolerated.

"The Paul campaign has disassociated itself with the individual who took part in this incident, and once again urges all activists - on both sides - to remember that their political passions should never manifest themselves in physical altercations of any kind."

Paul's campaign called the altercation "incredibly unfortunate" and expressed relief that the woman was not injured.

Conway said he was shocked to see the video footage.

"We can disagree on issues, and I don't know what preceded the incident, but physical violence by a man against a woman must never be tolerated," Conway said in a statement. "It is my hope that steps have been taken to ensure this kind of thuggish behavior never happens again in this campaign."



Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2010/10/26/1495404/womans-head-stepped-on-by-rand.html#ixzz13VT9hPMJ

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:48 PM

"The bulk of the Tea Party followers are motivated by several factors:
The application of the same standards to BOTH sides of the issue."

Bruce, that is quite simply untrue. They appear to be motivated by a doctrinaire belief that small government will enrich all including the poor. We have been there before.   In the USA prior to Keynesian reflation (New Deal).   In the UK around the time of the general strike. In Reaganite USA. In Thatcherite UK.

It is voodoo economics. It is wrong. In its effects on the truly dispossessed (seen any black tea party members lately?) it is evil. It is aligned with the worst sides of the black magic of organised religion (in the USA which appears to have more than its share of ripoff "churches").

Shame on you.

If you in the USA do not sort out the nutters and supremacists you will lose your last hope. Fail even the limited egalitarianism that Obama represented and your best prognosis is the next US civil war (once again with colour the central stage). Worse is failed state status like the Sudan (or the wild west you irrationally worship). One stage further on is to ask how many of your nutters have nuclear or CB capability.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:06 PM

reports of liberals lashing out

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:14 PM

Being a true Centerist, I say a plague on both their houses.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: John P
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:50 PM

beardedbruce, is there any chance you'd read and edit your cut-and-pastes before you post them? You're being rude by not doing so. Better yet, summarize and provide a link.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:08 PM

C&P takes only 3 seconds. He seems to think that his point is 'clearer' with every piece of text in an article....even when many of them are irrelevant duplications. He has been admonished before to edit and condense those long posts. I doubt begging will help.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:38 PM

Why didn't the KING of spotting DOUBLE STANDARDS start this thread?
Seems like a DOUBLE standard to ME.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:42 PM

Can our resident monitors of all things evil and liberal please find us a link to videos, pictures or just a story in which a liberal (man or woman) engages in physical violence toward a conservative (man or woman) at a public event?

I'll hold my breath.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:56 PM

Bruce is part of the river of shit alliance. Their aim is not to discuss or to inform. It is to repeat lies until the rest of the public believes them. It only works a small percentage of the time but sometimes some big lies are believed by a lot of people.

Examples are that Reagan was a fiscal conservative and that his economic policies were a success. Neither is remotely true. Few people believed it by the middle of his Vice President's term as President. Lots and lots of people believe it now.

Bruce is in it for the long term. He is probably going to continue to pass on lies until Karl Rove's "Permanent Republic Majority" comes to pass or until he is a little old fear monger in a retirement home with no internet access.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 10:46 PM

[[ " ...Profitt said the fight never would have occurred if police officers had intervened earlier.

"A friend of mine went up to three policeman before Rand got there, and told them about the girl who was standing there with that wig on and that she was getting ready to do something," Profitt said. "The policemen looked at him and said that's not our job." ..."]]

Well, it ISN'T the job of the police to 'protect' a candidate from things like being given a "fake award" by a non-supporter, being asked embarrassing questions by the media, having a photo taken with a supporter of an opponent, etc.   The police were right not to intervene earlier.


[["... Paul's campaign called the altercation "incredibly unfortunate" and expressed relief that the woman was not injured. ..."]]

Only, she WAS injured. How badly, we don't know, but the hospital said she had suffered a concussion and sprains.   When one has a concussion, it's pretty standard procedure to observe the person for a day or two to make sure there aren't any delayed reactions to the injury (e.g., loss of balance or consciousness).    Even soft tissue injuries can become more pronounced a day or two after the initial insult to the body.

I'd think more of Paul if he'd said something like, "We sincerely hope that Ms. Valle was not injured."




Paul campaign manager Jesse Benton said Profitt's actions were unacceptable and would not be tolerated.

"The Paul campaign has disassociated itself with the individual who took part in this incident, and once again urges all activists - on both sides - to remember that their political passions should never manifest themselves in physical altercations of any kind."

Paul's campaign called the altercation "incredibly unfortunate" and expressed relief that the woman was not injured.

I am glad that Conway said this:

" ... physical violence by a man against a woman must never be tolerated," Conway said in a statement. "It is my hope that steps have been taken to ensure this kind of thuggish behavior never happens again in this campaign."

But that statement should have come from Paul, and it shouldn't be limited to condemning an attack by a man on a woman.


"We can disagree on issues, and I don't know what preceded the incident, but physical violence by a man against a woman must never be tolerated," Conway said in a statement. "It is my hope that steps have been taken to ensure this kind of thuggish behavior never happens again in this campaign."

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 11:15 PM

I used to live in Kentucky. I'm disgusted by this, and that's why I started the thread.

Come the Revolution I'm shooting at both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: LadyJean
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 12:26 AM

With the kind of rhetoric you hear on Fox News, I'm surprised there aren't more of these incidents. I'm waiting to hear that the Stomper has been lionized by Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 12:45 AM

Activists Face Felony Charges

Sheriff Craig Webre and Harbor Police Chief John Callais announced the arrest of seven Greenpeace activists in Port Fourchon. A complaint came in at approximately 12:45 PM stating the seven had boarded a vessel at Port Fourchon and painted messages with an unknown substance on different areas of the ship. The messages were directed to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar. A representative for Salazar was at Port Fourchon this morning while other dignitaries congregated in Galliano with Secretary Salazar and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano regarding the ongoing oil spill impacting the Louisiana coastline. Those arrested were:

• Lindsey Renee Allen (W/F, DOB 9/3/81, 149 Clayton Circle, Vacaville, CA)
• Lauren Valle (W/F, DOB 5/4/87, 415 Shorewood Drive East, Falmouth, MA) What's she doing in Kentucky?
• Emma Cassidy (W/F, DOB 6/4/85, 3653 13th St. Northwest, Washington, DC)
• David Pomerantz (W/M, DOB 8/23/85, 45 Beechwood Road, Irvington, NY)
• Georgia F. Hirsty (W/F, DOB 3/19/85, 1114 F Street, Northeast, Washington, DC)
• Scott Cardiff (W/M, DOB 6/9/77, 1215 Quincy Street Northwest, Washington, DC)
• Paul Kelley (W/M, DOB 2/20/84, 1114 F Street Northeast Apt 103, Washington, DC)

The seven had been seen in the area for the past week and had been repeatedly warned by law enforcement not to hamper clean up operations and not to trespass. Greenpeace is known for pre-planning and coordinating similar protests to bring attention to environmental issues. Pictures of the vandalism appeared on the Greenpeace website within minutes of the arrest of the activists.

All seven will be transported to the Lafourche Parish Detention Center where they will be booked with unauthorized entry of a critical infrastructure (R.S. 14:62.3) and unauthorized entry of an inhabited dwelling (R.S. 14:62.3). The New Orleans Joint Terrorism Taskforce is reviewing today's incident and all seven could face additional charges.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 01:26 AM

"AHA! She's an outside agitator! So goldang it, she had it comin' to her!! Whew....for a second there I thought we'd gone too far! And by the way, where the hell are the police when you really need 'em, like when I need to be prevented from givin some liberal feminazi a good and well-deserved kick in the head! I call it a lack of proper goldang governmental interference in one of the few cases where its required!"

-Tim Profitt, Patriot and Constitutional Theorist

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 05:14 AM

Soresore, you do realise how ridiculous that comparison makes you look, don't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:12 AM

Cut out this "both sides" CRAP. There was no altercation between both sides, this was an assualt by ONE SIDE ONLY.

Even the non apology apolgies say "If we offended anyone"... and we appeal to b"both sides to stop the violence". Again the violence was UNITLATERAL.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:17 AM

Hey, if we're going to point out the outsider volunteers in campaigns then wouldn't hurt to take a look at outsider money, as well...

No matter... With the massive negative attack ads that secret money is trying to bury the country under it's amazing that these things aren't happening every day... I mean, some of these ads are so over the top and dripping of hatred that, yeah, they are inciting violence...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 02:53 PM

Yeah man this is the real deal, fake wig, fake corporation, fake certificate, sent by the bully, Boss Hogg Soros to shove the fake document in someone's face, just arrested in Florida.

Didn't see any stomp or a stomp to the head, she was smiling all the time while getting painfully "head stomped". Bobert is drooling like he is ridin' da bus again.

What was all that about the fake pimp screwing ACORN?

"Well just before the tape I was identified by the Rand Paul campaign because they've seen me around town at these events. And they realized they know me because of my work and they don't support it. So they actually formed a blockade around me once they realized that I was there. And as Rand's car pulls up they step in front of me and start to block me so I stepped off the curb to try and get around them and at that point they pursued me around the car, chased me around the car, and what you see in the video is when I'm in the front of the car and that's when I'm pulled down and then my head is stomped on."

This video was sent by an anonymous witness at the event.

I don't care for Rand Paul or his old man but I think they have the same rights as anybody else.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:05 PM

To use Bobert's analogy, Suppose it was someone trying to stick a fake document into the face of Obama at an Obama rally?

Now Bloggers are claiming she was kicked in the head by two people.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:18 PM

The video shows one person stepping on her shoulder hard enough so that the foot pushes her shoulder out of the way to hit her head.

The video doesn't show enough to confirm or deny her story. But she did get to the car window before people who were not police or designated security assaulted her.

Big strapping men wearing guns outside Obama rallies were not treated that badly.

Are you excusing this assault and these men taking the law into their own hands?

Are you excusing a man stepping on a woman who is already down?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:21 PM

Obama has allowed his non-supporters to bring freakin' FIREARMS into the crowds at his rallies. Bush would have his people arrest people for just wearing an anti-war T-shirt or button to one of his rallies.

If a Tea Partier wants to get close to Obama and give him a fake "award" - even one that's insulting - I don't think the Secret Service would knock them down and step on their head.
Obama's opponents aren't kept any further away from him than anyone else in the crowd is.

... And he happens to be the PRESIDENT (just as GWB was), not just someone running for Congress.   There's good reason for security being a bit tighter for the President than for just any candidate for office.

Still, even with the Secret Service the duty is to protect the life and limb of the President (and VP, etc.), not to protect them from harassment or embarrassment by probing questions, insulting T-shirts, "fake awards," or dissenting shouts from the crowd.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:24 PM

The video shows her being tackled. How exactly does this negate the video of her getting stomped in the head. Are you really defending the head stomp? Really?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:44 PM

in for a penny in for a pound.

People defend torture, rape, racism and all sorts of crimes here.
Of course we decry that sort of insanity and may even forgive it. But we always hold them repondsible forever after;

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:56 PM

"stepping on her shoulder hard enough so that the foot pushes her
shoulder out of the way to hit her head."

Stepping is not stomping or kicking.

Shoulder is not head.

Where was the display of any pain?

How was she tackled?

She was blocked as per her own description.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 04:04 PM

"Where was the display of any pain?"

She was utterly passive, there was no need for any stomping, stepping or stamping on shoulder, head or anyplace. Stomping, stepping or stamping that was the physical assault by a man, upon a woman in a fully compromised position who was absolutely incapable of protecting herself.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 04:44 PM

Yes, you really are defening the head stomper. Amazing. Despicable actually. If it's one of your own, anything is defensible I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 04:51 PM

Hey, this was wrong... No one, regardless of party affiliations, should condone violence... Once you let a head stomping, or a tackle or a slap go then the message is clear that this stuff is okay...

It isn't okay!!!

Period...

That's why it's not okay for leaders of any party in this country to allow their folks to go around threatening 2nd ammendment remedies... This is plainly not okay!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:32 PM

What does it matter whether she was stomped on the head or the shoulder? She down, on concrete, and vulnerable to extremely serious injury.

Here's a standing offer: I, personally, will stomp on the head and/or shoulder of anyone who thinks this cannot result in injury.

It should result in a charge of assault and battery -- at least. And the police should have intervened at that point, as a&b is certainly their business.

I don't care which side you are on. This is unconscionable and a crime no matter who does it: Tea Party followers, Democrats, Socialists, Republicans, members of the Weather Underground, Brown Shirts, Blue Shirts, members of the KKK, members of the SDS, I don't care who you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:36 PM

SDS wouldn't have done or condoned this, Rap...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:03 PM

You are right Bobert. We used to get training in being totally passive no matter what, and to form a soft cordon around anyone who got rowdy, and mass-walk them away.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:06 PM

My point, Bobert, is that I don't care WHAT group was involved. I don't care if it was the Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee or the Hitler Youth.

Head (or shoulder) stompin' ain't acceptable political behavior.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:40 PM

I agree with that, Rap but...

... puttin' SDS in with a bunch of KKK and Brown Shirt thugs wasn't exactly fair as it was the only group mentioned in yer grouping that was 100% non-violent... The rest??? Not so...

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 09:29 PM

Bobert, I seem to remember that SDS started quite nonviolently, exercising civil disobedience much as MLK, SCLC, and SNCC did. However, about 1969 it morphed into the Weathermen and the Weather Underground (currently a weather forecasting service spun off by the meteorology department of the U. of Michigan). Those folks were NOT non-violently inclined and I believe some are still in jail. I'd quote from sources like Abby Hoffman's "Steal This Book" only someone stole my copy (really!) or "Revolution for the Hell of It" but that also was ripped off.

Pigs don't represent State power as an abstract principle; they are a power that we will have to overcome in the course of struggle or become irrelevant, revisionist, or dead. We must prepare concretely to meet their power because our job is to defeat the pigs and the army, and organize on that basis. Our beginnings should stress
self-defense—building defense groups around karate classes, learning how to move on the street and around the neighborhood, medical training, popularizing and moving toward (according to necessity) armed self-defense, all the time honoring and putting forth the principle that "political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." These self-defense groups would initiate pig surveillance patrols, visits to the pig station and courts when someone is busted, etc.

--from You Don't Need A Weatherman To Know Which Way The Wind Blows by Karin Asbley, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, John
Jacobs, Jeff Jones, Gerry Long, Home Machtinger, Jim Mellen, Terry Robbins, Mark Rudd and Steve Tappis. Published in "New Left Notes", June 18, 1969.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 11:30 PM

"are defening the head stomper."

There is no head stomper to defend. Show me where a foot touched her head.

The person wanted this to happen. That's why she is smiling while she is getting her shoulder stepped on. Couldn't have neen so painful.

You are defending a political operative, goon, sent by JD Boss Hogg Soros just for that purpose.

If there is any question about it, why was she booked with unauthorized entry of a critical infrastructure and unauthorized entry of an inhabited dwelling?

What brought her from Ma where she lives to Ky?

"they know me because of my work" It was her job, get in a scuffle and pretend to be hurt. It is an occupational hazard.

Are you saying she did not want this to happen?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: LadyJean
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 02:02 AM

The person on the ground is a young woman, small in stature and weighing just a little over 100 lbs. The man who knocked her down and stepped on her, claiming he was protecting Mr. Paul, was considerably larger and more muscular.

He's now saying she should appologize to him! Somebody in Kentucky kick that s.o.b.! Kick him hard and kick him soon! Then ban him from all basketball games forever! The worst thing that can happen to a native of the Bluegrass State. He did his candidate, his party, and his state no favors.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 03:30 AM

SawSaw, even if Valle "wanted this to happen" - which is wild speculation on her part - where is it written that Profitt and other Rand Paul employees needed to make it happen.

There's no evidence that Valle did anything other than enter the rally in disguise (which is not a crime) and try to get near Rand Paul (which is also not a crime - even if her intent was to embarrass him by giving him a fake award).


Valle should not have been tackled and held down on the ground, period.   Since that did happen, the point is not really whether Profitt stepped on her head, her neck, her shoulder, or all of the above.   Even if he "faked" stomping on her head while she was being held down on the ground, that's still an assault and totally un-called-for.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 05:17 AM

"The person wanted this to happen."

Ah the old "She was gagging for it" defence. Sounds so familiar, wonder where I've heard that one before?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 08:04 AM

Despicable. Can't read. Can't understand what the eyes are seeing on video. Defend one of your own no matter what they do. Despicable.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 08:29 AM

And the biggest shame of it all is that the poor brainwashed Tea Partiers are the ones who are acctually getting stomped on. They are unknowing, perhaps purposefully ignorant, tools of the very people they think they are standing up to.

"Between them {the Koch brothers and the ThinkTanks they fund} they have constructed the philosophy which informs the Tea Party movement: its members mobilise for freedom, unaware that the freedom they demand is freedom for corporations to trample them into the dirt."

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/10/25/toxic-brew/#more-1294

clicky

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 11:36 AM

Well, folks, we are all going to get our heads stomped if we don't get out and vote and stem this tide. Any movement that has Sarah Palin as its guru should tell you all you need to know about it. Talk to your neighbors, give somebody who needs one a ride to the polling place.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 12:19 PM

What EJ said!

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 12:57 PM

Connecting the dots between the goading (remember "2nd Amendment Remedies", "Don't get angry: reload") and fear-mongering ("he has a deep hatred for white people", "when their push doesn't work, they bring in the killers") of politicians and so-called commentators…

"The average American is frightened and confused while the rightwing is excited and overstimulated. The toxic combination of Bircerism, big money, xenophobia and social conservatism that defines the Tea Party is happening at a moment of maximum danger."

http://pr.thinkprogress.org/
clicky

Of course when somebody is assassinated or someone beaten to death, the politicians and pundits will all say that it is some random wing-nut that nobody could have predicted would do such a thing.

Watch the Kentucky video…they are doing it already.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 01:07 PM

I've just heard about this, and watched the video. While it appears to me she was stepped on the shoulders, whether shoulders or head it was wrong. I wonder why the man who did this has not been arrested.

However, the mal-action of one person should not tar a whole campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 01:20 PM

As I read on a blog last night:

The campaign is now officially "non-Profitt." Rand Paul put his foot down.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: olddude
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 01:25 PM

If at the very least it is excessive force. When someone is down and not a threat IE, no weapon was pulled she was restrained it should have been over. Someone needs to be arrested along with her.   Now since she did not have the proper credentials, she was a security threat to the candidate. They have the right to restrain but not use excessive force on an unarmed woman. I am no Rand supporter by any means.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: pdq
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 01:49 PM

The real question is: what kind of security are we providing our national political candidates?

The man who stopped Ms. Valle was a campaign worker with no training in security work. Such people will make mistakes every time.

At least the tresspasser in Alaska was confronted by trained security guards who detained him and turned him over to police. Joe Miller was reasonably safe and the troublemaker was treated correctly. He was not even arrested, he was detaind according to rules that the security people were taught.

Bobby Kennedy and Huey Long were assasinated in situations that resemble the two this year.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 02:31 PM

Interesting, I saw the whole clip today, including the part just prior to the incident (which was edited out by the major news outlets) It shows Valle, forcefully shoving her placard through Paul's open window after his car stopped. It looked like she was aiming at his head... hence the reaction by his supporters... So I ask myself why wasn't the whole incident broadcast ? I don't really care much either way, but it's another case of selective manipulation of the media to slant public opinion...

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 02:35 PM

The main difference being that Sirhan Sirhan was armed and out to kill Kennedy whereas this woman was attempting to embarrass Paul.

I thought you guys were all about less governmental spending? Are you now proposing that the Federal Government provide Secret Service protection for every candidate on every ballot in every state? Who's going to pay for that?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 02:48 PM

You respond to force with force appropriate to stop whatever it is that is going on AND NO MORE. If the force being used against you is someone calling you names, move away if it annoys you, but if you knock the person down you are over-reacting.

If someone aims a blow at you, you have every right to block that blow and to leave the area if you safely can. If someone tries to knife you, you have the right to do whatever is needful so that you won't be stabbed.

In short, the response to force MUST be proportional to the force being used against you or against someone you are protecting.

Pulling the woman back from the car would have been appropriate force. Dumping her to the ground and doing whatever was done is not and the man should have been arrested.

(From a personal viewpoint: the man would have left on a stretcher -- no functional gonads and at least one broken kneecap. I take self-defense seriously.)

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 03:10 PM

The statute in law is called the reasonable man.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 03:22 PM

I don't think the car window was even open. To me, it appears she held up the sign, but was immediately tackled by the Paul supporters who had by that time surrounded her (they'd identified her earlier -- hence their complaint that the police weren't helpful in removing her before she could wave the sign), then chased around the car to where they tackled, dumped, and stomped her.

The Republican image of liberals is that we are not much removed from thugs, out to use violence at all opportunities, and dangerous. With that 'world-view,' it's not surprising they would over-react to an attempt to embarrass their candidate by calling attention to his pandering and protection of the multi-national corporations that essentially own the party. To them, any attempt to gain attention by 'our side' is an assault, to be met with force.

At Obama's and other Democratic events, right-whingers have even sported firearms and have not been tackled, shoved, or threatened. Shunned, yes, and, when the tea party bully-boys have attacked, resisted (that 'union thug assaults black Republican' video shows the union man on the ground, and his attacker -- Gladsen, I think his name is -- being knocked off his feet before he can continue his assault, but no stomping or mob violence).

Of course, George W. Bush's approach -- remove anyone even vaguely opposed (the evidence: a T-shirt, bumper sticker, or general appearance) and put them in a "free speech zone" blocks away -- is an example of how to avoid having to curb-stomp 'the enemy.'

I've never seen such a parcel of whiny, whinging, cringing, assholes in my life as we see in today's Republican't Party. There's a term for the psychological displacement of blame, called 'projection,' where the disturbed individual assigns to his enemies all his own problems, and these poor souls exhibit that to a remarkable degree. It's their way of life and modus operandi.

They're ramping up the 'vote fraud' talk now, for example, to cover their own method of thumb-on-the-scales electioneering, which is voter suppression (disenfranchising groups of voters liable to be on your opponent's side -- Google 'voter caging' for how it works). Actual voting fraud is pretty rare. For instance, during the Bush administration's long period of investigating purported fraud, less than 100 convictions were obtained, no matter how hard they tried to find it.

So when grown men assault 'enemies' of right-whinge candidates, keep in mind that these are psychologically damaged individuals -- and pose a possible danger to themselves as much as to others. They should be pitied.

Or they're just thuggish apes, and should be treated as such.

Occam's razor comes to mind.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 04:00 PM

Sunset Coast John, it's not " the mal-action of one person" that is tarring - and should tar - Rand Paul's campaign, it's his feeble, focus-shifting half-hearted criticism of the actions of Profitt and the guys who knocked Valle to the ground and held her there.   Rand may have, rather quietly, dimissed Profitt from his security detail, but his statements to the press make it sound like there was two-way violence ("a scuffle") and that Valle was just as much a perpetrator of violence as were the guys who tackled and stomped her.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 04:04 PM

Bobby Kennedy was not assassinated by a member of the press who was trying to ask him questions, nor was Sirhan Sirhan a member of a political opponent group who was trying to get a photo taken with him and give him a snarky award.   
OTOH, an Obama opponent was allowed to carry a gun into a rally where Obama was speaking.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 04:08 PM

blankley, I agree that videos, quotes, etc., should be shown in context and I don't approve of selective editing to distort what really happened. But I'm not sure the early videos we saw were not intact. Apparently several people got videos of the incident and it may be that it was only later that the ones were accessed that showed Valle shoving the placard into Rand Paul's car.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 12:25 PM

"Rand Paul employees needed to make it happen"

Would it have happened if she had not been sent there by Boss Hogg Soros's moveon.org specifically to cause a confrontation?

Would it be OK for someone who wanted to discredit you to send someone to provoke you into doing something. How about someone with a wig and a fake award from a fake corporation to shove in your face?

The people that went into the ACORN offices to discredit them were labeled criminals.

Again I am no fan of Rand Paul or ACORN.

Moveon.org needed to make it happen.

Would it be OK for someone sent on a mission with a wig to try to shove a fake award from a fake corporation into Obama's face when he gets out of a car?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 12:42 PM

"Would it be OK for someone sent on a mission with a wig to try to shove a fake award from a fake corporation into Obama's face when he gets out of a car?"

That's an interesting question. In the UK our politicians don't tend to be so quarantined from the 'general public'. In the course of their campaign rounds if someone present decided to ask a politician a potentially awkward question or perhaps make a political point by placing them in some mildly embarrassing position (say by offering them a plastic trophy or something) they could do so without necessarily expecting to be physically assaulted and trodden upon.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:07 PM

The average politician doesn't need Secret Service protection. Of course "...someone sent on a mission with a wig to try to shove a fake award from a fake corporation into Obama's face " would be detained and investigated....and this would and will be true no matter what party any future president is from.

The rules are and were different when Obama was merely an early 'candidate' seeking the nomination. It is perfectly reasonable for candidates to have security people watching their backs, but the attitude of the folks guarding Paul and Sharron Angle, etc. is WAY over the line. Extremist political operatives with documented weird ideas WILL get extra attention, and need to screen their bodyguards as well, if not better, than their stalkers. Allowing thugs to 'protect' you gets thuggish results.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: pdq
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:13 PM

Both the incident involving Joe Miller in Alaska and the one at the Rand Paul were staged media events aimed at embarassing Republican Senate candidates.

Joe Miller's security people did a reasonably good job, especially for young men who look to be about 22 years old.

The young lady in Kentucky is a professional activist and has been identified in at least seven high-profile incidents, including ones staged by Greenpeace. She has been sent to do her act in foreign countries.

The problem in Kentucky stems largely from the fact that a campaign worker intervened, not a trained policeman or security guard.

Press conferences and rallies give the American people a reasonable chance to talk to candidates and ask questions.

Neither the Alaska and Kentucky incident involved reasonable questions or proper protocol. They were acts of harrasment.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:21 PM

"The young lady in Kentucky is a professional activist ..."

I don't care who she is: a young woman with a sign is NOT a danger and does not deserve being thrown to the ground and stepped on.

"...a campaign worker intervened, not a trained policeman or security guard."...And what would you suggest a 'trained policeman' do to her?

Acts of harassment? Sure! Rand Paul has made himself a target for ridicule and harassment.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:24 PM

BillD,

Remember Squeeky Frome???


Small young lady, certainly not worth trying to stop...


I have a feeling she was tackled to the ground.

Beyound that is improper, and should not have been done.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:27 PM

"The young lady in Kentucky is a professional activist ..."

*smile* Surely she's merely an amateur activist compared to actual professional activists such as politicians?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:32 PM

"I have a feeling she was tackled to the ground."

Yep..AFTER she showed and fired a gun. *I* would tackle someone waving a gun...even if they waved it at Rand Paul.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:32 PM

"deserve being thrown to the ground and stepped on"

Thank you for not claiming she was stomped on. Or as some bloggers are claiming "kicked in the head by two men"

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:38 PM

At one point, his heel is directly on her cheek... I do not define that as 'stomping'...merely as over-the-line and stupid....as was throwing her done in the first place. If you watch closely, one of Paul's supporters who helped tackle her admonishes him to lay off the standing on her. Hard to say what he'd have done otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:47 PM

Activists Missing After Declaring "War on Leather" at Motorcycle Rally

January 10, 2010 by randyedye

Johnstown, PA (GlossyNews) Local and state police scoured the hills outside rural Johnstown, Pennsylvania, after reports of three animal rights activists going missing after attempting to protest the wearing of leather at a large motorcycle gang rally this weekend. Two others, previously reported missing, were discovered by fast food workers "duct taped inside several fast food restaurant dumpsters," according to police officials.

"Something just went wrong," said a still visibly shaken organizer of the protest. "Something just went horribly, horribly, wrong."

The organizer said a group of concerned animal rights activist groups, "growing tired of throwing fake blood and shouting profanities at older women wearing leather or fur coats," decided to protest the annual motorcycle club event "in a hope to show them our outrage at their wanton use of leather in their clothing and motor bike seats." "In fact," said the organizer, "motorcycle gangs are one of the biggest abusers of wearing leather, and we decided it was high time that we let them know that we disagree with them using it…ergo, they should stop."

According to witnesses, protesters arrived at the event in a vintage 1960's era Volkswagen van and began to pelt the gang members with balloons filled with red colored water, simulating blood, and shouting "you're murderers" to passers by. This, evidently, is when the brouhaha began.

"They peed on me!!!" charged one activist. "They grabbed me, said I looked like I was French, started calling me 'La Trene', and duct taped me to a tree so they could pee on me all day!"

"I was trying to show my outrage at a man with a heavy leather jacket, and he didn't even care. I called him a murderer, and all he said was, 'You can't prove that.' Next thing I know he forced me to ride on the back of his motorcycle all day, and would not let me off, because his girl friend was out of town and I was almost a woman."

Still others claimed they were forced to eat hamburgers and hot dogs under duress. Those who resisted were allegedly held down while several bikers "farted on their heads."

Police officials declined comments on any leads or arrests due to the ongoing nature of the investigation, however, organizers for the motorcycle club rally expressed "surprise" at the allegations.

"That's preposterous," said one high-ranking member of the biker organizing committee. "We were having a party, and these people showed up and were very rude to us. They threw things at us, called us names, and tried to ruin the entire event. So, what did we do? We invited them to the party! What could be more friendly than that? You know, just because we are all members of motorcycle clubs does not mean we do not care about inclusiveness. Personally, I think it shows a lack of character for them to be saying such nasty things about us after we bent over backwards to make them feel welcome."

When confronted with the allegations of force-feeding the activists meat, using them as ad hoc latrines, leaving them incapacitated in fast food restaurant dumpsters, and 'farting on their heads,' the organizer declined to comment in detail. "That's just our secret handshake," assured the organizer.

Posted in Comedy, ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:54 PM

his heel is directly on her cheek"

Is that why she is smiling?

"merely as over-the-line and stupid"

Yes. I agree with you Bill.

"throwing her done in the first place"

Was there a struggle which caused them to end up on the ground?

"who helped tackle her"

She said she was blocked, not tackled.

"admonishes him to lay off the standing on her"

That is a plus for the other guy so thay are all not "stompers".

"Hard to say what he'd have done otherwise"

Indeed it is hard to say. He might have actually stomped her.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 02:06 PM

What makes Boss Hogg Soros think he's hot?
No, It ain't just smokin' pot. It's

Head stompin', Head stompin'
Head stompin'
Head-stompin', a good time

Ev'rybody young n' old
Learns how to rock n' roll
Listen hear, somethin' new
Ev'rybody's jumpin, too

Head stompin', Head stompin'
Head stompin'
Head-stompin', a good time

No wondering and a-guessin'
Don't need dancin' lessons
Listen to the jerky beat
Shake yo' head and stomp yo' feet

Head stompin', Head stompin'
Head stompin'
Head-stompin', a good time

People just the other day
Taught it to my sister, Mae
Bad leg, Mr. Pete
Can do the Head stompin', too

Head stompin', Head stompin'
Head stompin'
Head-stompin', a good time

Meet me at the dance hall
(Yeah)
We're gonna have a ball
Sure cure for a corn
'Fore long, real gone

Head stompin', Head stompin'
Head stompin'
Head-stompin', a good time

Head-stompin'
A-Head-stompin', a good time.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 02:12 PM

"Thank you for not claiming she was stomped on. Or as some bloggers are claiming "kicked in the head by two men""

I agree with this. Exaggerating the event is indeed unhelpful because it detracts from what actually happened.

A young women who sought to make what was no more than a mild political statement, was first forced to the ground and then *after* offering NO resistance, physically assaulted further. I second BillD's concern about what 'Mr. Boot' might have done if his more sensible colleague hadn't intervened and demand that he stop.

IMO if the political candidate in question had any sense then i) he'd make an unequivocal public apology for this incident, ii) dissociate himself entirely from these kinds of actions and iii) promise that he will endevour to ensure that no similar abuse of the public (be they political "activists" or otherwise) by his staff will occur in the future.

I understand that in the US things are a bit different to the UK because you have lots of guns and indeed gun-wielding nutters willing to murder presidents (do other politicians ever get killed by fanatics?) But even so, there is simply no excuse for forcibly treading upon a passive helpless woman. Whatever your political stripe, it's assault and nothing less.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:08 PM

Twang! Lift off.

When I hear something being exaggerated it turns me off on that issue.

People wail over a Mosque being at Ground Zero. To me a Mosque has domes and Minarets, not a Greek Facade. It is not at ground zero but near by.

So the correct description would be a Islamic cultural center near ground zero.

Some people even show a picture of a Mosque in their anti-Islamic rhetoric.

That is what stretching the truth is, rhetoric, bordering on propaganda.

Even though the person wanted to be a Martyr, she shouldn't have been stepped on. The rest was not out of line in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:34 PM

"Even though the person wanted to be a Martyr, she shouldn't have been stepped on."

I can't presume to know what this woman wanted to achieve in this instance - as said previously in the UK the opportunity for politically motivated "martyrdom" by offering a plastic trophy to some campaigning politician or such-like would be low to nil. At best it would become a passing joke for a couple of our political comment programs.

You might be right, but even without actually knowing her motives personally I think it's reasonable to assume that rather than seeking to be assaulted for the sake of "martyrdom", she might simply have been seeking a *non-violent* means to challenge this politician and raise whatever political issue she wanted to publicly highlight by offering him the "award", in the media?

As a point of interest. What WAS the issue she was seeking to highlight? I must have missed it! *laughing!*

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 05:03 PM

She, wearing fake hair, was supposed to present some sort of phony award from a phony corporation to Paul to embarass him somehow.

Childish fake crap. And they accuse the tea party of astroturfing.

The smile on her face while being painfully "stomped" on tells the story.

All it accomplished was to give a boost to Rand Paul.

Personally I think he's a kook like his old man.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 05:23 PM

Sure, she wanted to present a plastic trophy to some politician for the purpose of attempting to politically embarrass him and publicly highlight her cause. Whatever that was!

As far as I see it, that isn't very shocking.

Was the fact that she wore a wig while doing so somehow an obvious invitation to said politician's staff to "martyr" her? If so, then presumably the staff involved were plants of the opposition too, just waiting for the "martyr me" signal to be sent from a "Ms. blonde".

I didn't see her smiling. I'll have to replay the video.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 09:10 PM

I am guilty of exaggeration myself. I read about the smile and I assumed it was true. I can't see a smile nor do I see any expression of pain.

The wig was not an invitation but it is a fake thing that takes away any credibility. Along with the fake award and the fake corporation.

It tells me that it was something phony. Like the pimp and hooker clothes used to bamboozle ACORN.

She had a sticker on her sweatshirt that read "I'm a Rand Fan" more fakery.

She said she was a paid employee of Moveon.org. Why didn't this ordinary everyday honest innocent person she have a moveon.org employee sticker on her shirt?

The New York Daily News reports Valle, a 23-year old Columbia religion graduate, was hired by MoveOn.org for three weeks to work on the Republicorp project in Kentucky.

In April of 2008, Valle was also arrested after chaining herself to Citibank's headquarters building in New York as part of a protest related the RainForest Action Network's dirtymoney.org campaign. Dressed in costume as a Billionaire for Dirty Energy

Valle and four other protesters were arrested and detained in China in August of 2008 after illegally hoisting a banner just outside the National Stadium in Beijing's Olympic Park.

She has felony charges after being arrested in May along with six others in Louisiana for her antics in a Greenpeace activism stunt. The group of activists had already been repeatedly warned by law enforcement to stay away from the area, after being spotted in the area the week leading up to the incident. The incident was serious enough that it drew the attention of the New Orleans Joint Terrorism Taskforce, which also reviewed the case. This is also very similar to the work of The Ruckus Society, another organization funded by George Soros.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 09:43 PM

I think the typical FOX viewer took pleasure from the head neck shoulder (whatever you want to call it) STOMPING.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 09:48 PM

Sending a crowd into a frenzy is an age old right wing tradition.

I have just written a guaranteed frenzy chant that is sure to work in any situation the right wing needs to kick some ass.

Man up Sarah Palin your mama grizzly chant is lame.

This chant has more of what you are looking for...



Fear and Hate, Terminate
Murder stomp and kill
Decimate, assassinate
Drop a poison pill
Liquidate eradicate
Put them down and quell
Settle a score Slaughter and gore
Send them straight to hell.

Shuffle off their mortal coil
Slay every single life
Watch them wriggle in the soil
Far from pain and strife.

Hit, slaughter
Shoot their sons and daughters
Take em out
Capizass
Whack like all the others.

Dispatch, Decapitate
Until there are no cries
Cut off their head of state
Deprive them of their lives
Make sacrifice their only fate.
Teach them one and all
Teach them all our favorite psalms
and torture till they die

Celebrate we are great
We tied another war
For just another 100 years
Feelings will be sore
Who really gives a fuck
We won't take the fall.
Some of us made a buck
selling shock and awe.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 11:19 PM

Donuel:

Man you are good at that hate stuff. A natural talent.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 11:47 AM

Hypnosis has many branches and names; psycho neural linguistics, propaganda, emotional polemics, psychological conditioning etc.

After 20 years of practice some things do come naturally.
To be an expert at anything it is said you need to dedicate 10,000 hours.

Yes I know you were attempting a rhetorical insult, but what is it that you are actually an expert sawwz?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 02:22 PM

Sawzaw and pdq,

Since when is it against the law - or even a "threat" - for a reporter or political activist or just a non-supporter to try to discredit a politician, e.g., by asking a probing question, by carrying a protest sign, or by presenting them with a fake award?

If you or your "security" staff can be "provoked" into assaulting or having the police detain someone just for wearing a wig (so they won't be summarily removed by your guards for "being a known liberal") and "shoving" a "fake award from a fake corporation" "in your face," that's excessive censorship, excessive fear of confrontation, and excessive force.   Unless something "shoved in your face" (e.g., a microphone or camera or placard) actually threatens physical harm, it's not an assault if you're a politician; the press corps does that to our elected representatives all the time, especially during an election season.

Saw,
Nobody was labelled a "criminal" for going into ACORN's offices in disguise. But some of those people did commit fraud by videoing their visits to ACORN offices and then doctoring the videos to grossly misrepresent what happened there. (E.g., wearing ordinary street clothes in the interview and then photoshopping the video to show them wearing "pimp" garb.)

If you say "Moveon.org needed to make it happen," then the Rand Paul people are fools to take the bait and allow themselves to be 'forced' to commit battery on an unarmed woman who posed no real threat.

[["Would it be OK for someone sent on a mission with a wig to try to shove a fake award from a fake corporation into Obama's face when he gets out of a car?"]]

Of COURSE it would!
Such a person would have a right to get as close to the President as anyone else in the crowd would.
Nowadays, the Secret Service doesn't let many people get very close to any President unless they've gone through a lot of screening to make sure they have no weapons on them. But a placard or sign that's anti-Obama is no more a potential weapon than one saying "Yes, We Can!"

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 02:27 PM

Bruce,
Incidents like the Squeaky Fromme one (not to mention Sirhan Sirhan) are the reason the crowds at many political rallies (especially for Presidential candidates) are thoroughly screened for weapons. They're also the reason the President is behind a bulletproof shield at the inauguration, etc.
Surely you're not suggesting that no small-stature woman should be allowed to approach a political candidate because of what Squeaky Fromme did, are you?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 02:37 PM

"Yes I know you were attempting a rhetorical insult, but what is it that you are actually an expert sawwz?"

I thought it was a compliment Donuel. It is something I could not do myself. I am incapable of projecting my hate on others but you seem proud if it.

It was not a "placard or a sign". It was a fake award from a fake company. Carried by a paid operative with a wig to disguise themselves so she would not be recognized. She had an accomplice named Alex. Do you think he had a camera?

All very honest and aboveboard, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 02:38 PM

Maybe the terms "stomped" and, especially, "kicked in the head" are a bit too strong (kind of like the characterization of Howard Dean's "scream" with the crowd at a political rally or saying Bill Clinton "wagged" his finger when denying sexual relations with Monica).   But Profitt clearly did more than just put his foot on Valle's shoulder.   He put his foot on her shoulder/neck area and forcefully shoved her shoulder down towards her head. In the video it seems apparent that enough force was used to possibly cause sprains or even perhaps a dislocated shoulder.
Valle was diagnoses with having both sprains and a concussion; the latter may well have resulted from her being tackled to the ground.

If Paul's security people thought that Valle's trying to put the "award" through the open car window was a threat, all they had to do was get between her and the car and/or hold her arms so that she couldn't do that. When the police or private security guards tackle someone, twist their arms, etc., just for some non-violent 'offense' such as carrying a sign or refusing to leave a rally, that's excessive force.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: pdq
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 03:09 PM

Look at the big picture.

Next Tuesday there will be a national election and the Democrats have already conceded (in private) 5 Senate seats.

There are 6 additional seats "in play" at this time. Two of the "in play" seats are Kentucky and Alaska, where the Republican candidates were subjected to aggressive "staged media events".

Ms Valle is a paid operative from MoveOn.org and has been stalking Rand Paul for three weeks. She was at every public event that the candidate attended and possibly followed him churches and restaurants. Repeat: Ms Valle is a stalker.

The Rand Paul campaign is rather amatuer and naive. They should hvae asked her to stay away and gotten a restrainging order in court, but they have never seen people do what she was doing and it must have taken them by surprise.

They asked the police to remove Ms Valle the day of the incident when they saw her with the blonde wig.

Police said it was not their job. I think the cops made a serious mistake, but would have been required to do so if there was a restrainig order.

Again, the one who stopped her was a campaign aid, not security or police.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 03:34 PM

pdq, why on earth should any candidate get a restraining order - or be allowed to get one - against someone just because that person 'stalks' them* with the intent to ridicule, question, or embarrass them.

The Right-wing has taken over our courts, intelligence agencies, and the government in recent decades to the point where acts of passive resistance - you know, the kind Gandhi promoted - are labeled as "terrorist" or "terrorist threats."   

Lauren Valle "[chained] herself to Citibank's headquarters building in New York as part of a protest related the RainForest Action Network's dirtymoney.org campaign. Dressed in costume as a Billionaire for Dirty Energy ?" Heavens! How shocking! What an act of wanton destruction!!

"Valle and four other protesters were arrested and detained in China in August of 2008 after illegally hoisting a banner just outside the National Stadium in Beijing's Olympic Park."
And we know the Chinese government would NEVER arrest or imprison anyone for purely political reasons.

And GreenPeace got felony charges and the attention of the New Orleans Joint Terrorist Task Force for not staying away from an area where they were trying to monitor the "clean-up" operations in the Gulf Of Mexico?    Their earlier "serious crime" had boarding a vessel at Port Fourchon and painting messages -- messages directed to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar -- with an unknown substance on different areas of the ship. They were barred from the area -- just as members of the press, scientists and other concerned citizens have been when they try to observe and video what BP et al. are calling "clean-up. So they face felony charges for "criminal trespass" because they are still trying to bring attention to the questionable methods used to "clean up" the massive oil gusher.

I think our country, especially some of the state governments, has priorities totally bass-ackwards!


spray painting messages











*I'm pretty sure following a political candidate around at public gatherings such as rallies and press conferences doesn't legally constitute "stalking."

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 03:37 PM

Oop! Disregard that stray "spray painting messages."   It was accidentally copied from my note pad along with the message I meant to post.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 10:03 PM

Thanks for the clarifications Genie.



As for Sawz his button got pushed. I admit I pushed it.
Nothin wrong with being an average Joe the plumber if thats how you choose to make money.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 09:14 PM

The latest incident between a Paul supporter and a MoveOn.org member may help him politically

Paul headed for easy victory,
Sunday, October 31, 2010

Rand Paul has expanded his lead in the Kentucky Senate race even further over the last week and is headed for a blowout win. His margin over Jack Conway is 55-40.

Kentucky is obviously a conservative state. Conway's ability to win was always going to depend on getting a lot of folks who supported John McCain in 2008 to vote Democratic for the Senate this time around. The most amazing finding on this final poll is that Rand Paul is actually picking up more Obama voters (15%) than Conway is McCain voters (9%). That's the formula for a landslide.

Over the last month of the campaign this went from being a relatively competitive race to a not so competitive one. That didn't have a ton to do with Rand Paul- his favorability in early September was 45/40 and now it's 48/43, basically unchanged. The shift is more a reflection of Jack Conway's image with Kentucky voters being shattered in the closing days. Seven weeks ago his favorability split evenly with 36% of voters rating him positively and negatively alike. Now he's very unpopular with only 34% of voters saying they like him and 52% expressing unfavorable opinions toward him.

In the end Rand Paul did not have any trouble reunifying his party after the Republican primary- GOP voters are going for him by an 88-8 margin. Conway meanwhile is bleeding Democratic support. He's getting only 61% of the vote from his own party while a full 34% say they plan to vote for Paul. Paul also has a 48-40 advantage with independents.

Barack Obama's approval rating in Kentucky is 31% with 62% of voters disapproving of him. This race may have been a stretch for Dems even with a perfect campaign and candidate. And in the end they had neither.

Bong hits for George J. D. Boss Hogg Soros.

And I am not even a Rand Paul suporter. I think he's as kook like his old man.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Genie
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 02:12 AM

Sawz, I'm not sure what that last article has to do with the "head-stomping" incident. It seems to be more about Paul's opponent not running a very smart campaign (and the Republican noise machine being effective with its Obama smears).

And, oh, BTW, I don't think Rand Paul is half the man his dad is, when it comes to integrity and to having clear, consistent values and convictions.    He is so extremely reactionary that I think a Democrat with a bit of campaign savvy could have beaten him, even in KY, just by highlighting the outlandish positions that Rand Paul himself has espoused.

But that's really a topic for another thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 12:53 PM

"the Republican noise machine being effective with its Obama smears"
Now who would want to smear such a great man?

No Charmer Obama's electoral psychodrama
Sunday, 31st October 2010

On the eve of the US mid-term elections, 'no drama Obama' has turned into 'no charmer Obama'. Even Democrats are aghast. No wonder, when last Monday Obama urged Hispanic voters to vote in this spirit:
    'We're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us.'
So much for the 'inclusive' President who extends the hand of friendship to America's mortal enemies. As Charles Krauthammer so bitingly observed:
    This from a president who won't even use 'enemies' to describe an Iranian regime that is helping kill U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. This from a man who rose to prominence thunderously declaring that we were not blue states or red states, not black America or white America or Latino America - but the United States of America. This is how the great post-partisan, post-racial, New Politics presidency ends - not with a bang, not with a whimper, but with a desperate election-eve plea for ethnic retribution.
The authors of that other Washington Post article, Pat Caddell and Douglas Schoen, write:
    No president has been so persistently personal in his attacks as Obama throughout the fall. He has regularly attacked his predecessor, the House minority leader and - directly from the stump - candidates running for offices below his own. He has criticized the American people suggesting that they are 'reacting just to fear' and faulted his own base for 'sitting on their hands complaining.' Obama is walking a knife's edge.
Indeed. So as you may imagine, I was energised to receive this message from Team Obama a few hours ago (for some reason, I have been receiving a steady stream of inspirational messages from Team Obama ever since No Charmer's accession to the White House:
    Melanie --
    A couple things are going to happen in the next half hour.
    Partisan attack ads funded by big banks and big oil will air over and over on national cable television.
    Outrageous right-wing smear messages will arrive in inboxes around the country.
    And dozens of voters in your area will make a decision about whether they'll be voting in this year's election.
    They're people who might not currently be planning on making it to the polls in two days.
    They're people who might not know what's at stake -- who might not know the choice we all have in this election.
    All of that is happening in the next 30 minutes. The only question is, will you be the person who changes the equation by picking up the phone and calling just 10 voters today?
Well indeed, that is the question. Earlier this month, I was gratified to receive this from Team Obama:
    Melanie --
    I come into this election with clear eyes.
    I am proud of all we have achieved together, but I am mindful of all that remains to be done.
    I know some out there are frustrated by the pace of our progress. I want you to know I'm frustrated, too.
    But with so much riding on the outcome of this election, I need everyone to get in this game. I need your time. I need your commitment. And I need your help to get your friends and neighbors involved.
    If you bring in a new donor today, your $3 donation will become $6. And our Vote 2010 campaign will have twice the resources to make important investments like putting staff on the ground, providing materials for volunteers, and turning out millions of voters come Election Day.
    Please donate $3 -- and renew your commitment today.
While last month, Team Obama told me:
    Your voice and commitment is what built this movement for change during President Obama's campaign in 2008. And it is the reason we'll be successful in making that vision a reality today.
Well of course, I was thrilled to hear about the part I had played. Fancy! You can see the evidence if you type 'Obama' into the search box at the side here. And back in August, Obama himself wrote to me thus:
    Melanie --
    Eighteen years ago, shortly after graduating from law school, I helped lead a voter registration campaign in Chicago that generated record turnout on Election Day.
    That experience taught me one of the most important lessons I ever learned as a community organizer: When people promise that they'll do something -- like voting -- they are far more likely to do it.
    That's why one key part of our Vote 2010 plan this year is to get folks like you from across the country to commit to vote, to make sure we get as many people as we can to cast their ballots this fall.
Ah yes, that voter registration campaign in Chicago. Project Vote, the most spectacularly successful voter registration drive ever. The one which was a front for a strategy advocated by two far-left radicals, Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, who sought to
    'hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse'.
The one whose true aim was summarised by James Simpson at American Thinker as being
    to overwhelm, paralyze and discredit the voting system through fraud, protests, propaganda and vexatious litigation'
The one which Alinskyite community organiser Obama ran in 1992 in Chicago with ACORN, the thugs whose speciality was intimidating voters and who have repeatedly been accused of fraud, illegality and corruption (and whom his campaign paid to register new voters during his run for the Presidency, something Obama denied but which, the Investor's Business Daily has reported, it did; as Aaron Klein reports in his book The Manchurian President, his campaign similarly tried to deny ACORN's involvement in the 1992 Chicago campaign, even though in 2007 Obama himself described ACORN as being 'smack dab in the middle of it' ).

Here's a bit about the radical history of Project Vote. And here's what Project Vote has been up to recently. And Obama is still boasting about it; and the sheep-like American media has never properly challenged him on it; and the American public has still not caught on, not even now, to just what it helped bring about on that fateful November day two years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Political Head Stomping (US - Kentucky)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 01:08 PM

"Nowadays, the Secret Service doesn't let many people get very close to any President unless they've gone through a lot of screening to make sure they have no weapons on them. But a placard or sign that's anti-Obama is no more a potential weapon than one saying "Yes, We Can!" "

Just TRY it- Or even try bringing an anti-Obama placard or button to ANY Democratic rally- I doubt if you would be allowed in.



"Surely you're not suggesting that no small-stature woman should be allowed to approach a political candidate because of what Squeaky Fromme did, are you?"

NO! I was replying to BillD's comment about how harmless she had to be, for being a "small-stature woman" Like Fromme.