BS: England World Cup 2018 bid

Subject: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arnie
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 06:46 AM

Well, despite everything the England Football World Cup 2018 team are upbeat and expect that later today FIFA will announce the decision in our favour. Personally I'm not that certain, but Beckham, Prince Edward and the PM have pulled out all the stops in Switzerland over the last couple of days. I don't suppose the bid was helped by the BBC Panorama investigation into bribery and corruption amongst FIFA officials, shown only three nights before the bid announcement. Also Birmingham fans didn't help the cause last night by leading a pitch invasion against Aston Villa fans following their Carling Cup win. Still, fingers crossed eh?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 06:55 AM

London gets all the goodies again, if we get it. For that reason, I hope we don't win. The main stadium, should have been built in the midlands, not London, so that it is easier for all supporters to get to.

I would like the Netherlands and Belgium to get it.

As far as the Bham City supporters are concerned, they are a disgrace. However, why were they allowed on the pitch in the first place. We don't need that sort of thing coming back into the game.

Up the Villa

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 06:55 AM

As I've posted before here, we've gone the wrong way since hosting it in 1966: it IS wrong to be paying a fortune for a foreign manager to compete for us in internationals, and as for our club football - http://walkaboutsverse.webs.com/#98

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Stu
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 07:01 AM

Not surprised about the Blues fans either. An inferiority complex that deeply ingrained in the club's character will require years to remedy . . . and by that point the money will have run out and they'll be back in the second division.

Up the Villa!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 07:22 AM

If we do get it, then please let Murdoch have the total rights to the whole thing. It appears to a non footy fan like myself, that all sport in the UK seems to be predicated on footy, and other sports take a poor second place.
At least that way we would have less of the wall to wall football that surrounds these events. To the exclusion of most other events

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 08:23 AM

"The main stadium, should have been built in the midlands, not London, so that it is easier for all supporters to get to"

It takes me 1 hr 31 minutes by train to London (direct - no changes), three and a half hours (with two changes) to Birmingham. I think London's much easier for most people to get to than Brum.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 09:53 AM

hi

Arthur - London certainly does not get ALL the goodies.

Here in the Northwest we hope we will have 3 venues Old Trafford, Eastlands, and Anfield where major games will be held.

On top of that only last night on LookNorthwest there was an article on how other Countries will base themselves in this area and the whole outcome will be 100,s of millions of £££££££s for the area.

The matches that will be played at Wembley will not be watched by "real" football fans because they will not be able to get tickets. Most of the crowds will be foreign visitors staying in London.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 09:56 AM

Ah. Thanks BWM and Mike for putting me in my place. :-)

Up the Villa - even if they didn't do to well last night and handed a draw to Man U :-)

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:24 AM

Wow Sky are reporting that they think England have gone out in the first round of votes. They say that they are unconfirmed. Hold on to your thermals.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: bubblyrat
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:24 AM

I can't STAND football, and as far as I'm concerned,they can hold the "World Cup" in Siberia or Outer Mongolia, where,hopefully,the players,their dreadful "WAGS", and all the sycophantic hangers-on would all die of frostbite.Bah !!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:25 AM

Could be true, if you look at Prince William, he has a sad look on his face.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:27 AM

Unconfirmed reports that maybe Russia have 2018 and Qatar in 2022

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:30 AM

It's like the Eurovision Song Contest :-)

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:38 AM

Blatter says

Russia 2018

So how much has been spent for the failure by England on their presentation etc and how much does the tax payer pick up?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:39 AM

And, ...... It's RUSSIA

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:44 AM

Qatar 2022 confirmed by Blatter


It's all the fault of the Birmingham City Supporters :-)

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:45 AM

So did they know already through Wikileaks?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:50 AM

Russia and Qatar eh? FIFA have obviously got football's best interests in mind. Did someone say something or was it just money talking?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:58 AM

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: bubblyrat - PM
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:24 AM

<<"I can't STAND football, and as far as I'm concerned,they can hold the "World Cup" in Siberia or Outer Mongolia, where,hopefully,the players,their dreadful "WAGS", and all the sycophantic hangers-on would all die of frostbite.Bah !!">>

Hi bubblyrat

Looks like you got your wish.....!!!

Russia it is. Siberia here we come.

"big Dave" didn't make any impression it seems. Russia's deputy was enough to put him in the shade....lol

Frankly if you don't like football it really doesn't matter who actaully hosts the Finals, it will be football all the way on TV.

Ah well we tried.

Regards

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 11:00 AM

hi arthur

I was at Villa Park when Villa ran rings around Man U. They should have had six....even Fergie admitted that.

Mine you I was at Old Trafford on Saturday and we could have had 10.....

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 11:15 AM

I was well upset when Villa let 2 in Mike. As you say Vil rang rings round em. Even I couldn't beleive my eyes seeing that happen.


LOL the sour grapes are starting on Sky.

Why do we seem to think, that if we talk the talk, we will get what we want. Maybe they didn't get it becuase we were to arrogant.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arnie
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 11:16 AM

I know that England didn't have a God-given right to host the 2018 World Cup but that is a very disappointing decision to us footie fans. Russia is no great surprise, but how on earth did tiny Qatar bag the 2022 spot? They've no footballing heritage, never been in the World Cup finals and have no stadiums. The temperature in June/July is over 40c and it doesn't get much cooler in the evenings. Were the FIFA officials swayed by the multi-million dollar Qatari bid? Of course not......

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 11:26 AM

Qatar are going to have temperature controlled stadiums, where the temperature will never be higher than 27c.
They have 12 years to build the stadiums etc.

How much is that going to cost you Mike to go to Russia?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 11:40 AM

Look on the bright side:
at least it saves us the humiliation of losing the World Cup on home soil;
and the Yanks failed to get 2022.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arnie
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 11:43 AM

I've just read that England didn't even get through the first round of voting - not much return for a £15 million bid. I forgot to mention earlier, that Sepp Blatter told the assembled audience that football was invented in China! Was it really? I don't recall the Chinese football league of the late 19th century but maybe I'm just a bit under-read on these matters. Blatter must really not like England to make a stupid comment like that. England is the mother country of football whether Blatter likes it or not. I suppose he thinks that kicking a human head around whilst mounted on horseback was the true origin of football so maybe the reference earlier to Mongolia wasn't too far off the mark.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: alanabit
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 11:45 AM

The USA did a very good job at the 1994 World Cup. There is no need to be spiteful about that because we lost.
For England football fans it is very disappointing, because it means many of us will not be around if ever another World Cup is hosted in the country.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 11:58 AM

Well ther you go, 2 people loved England in the first round vote.

Aren't we popular!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 12:10 PM

Well the difference is that when we went for the Olympics we had Tony (Smooth Operator) Blair pushing it.

Now we've got Fish Face Cameron with the wellknown Tory dictum (TINA)There IS NO ALTERNATIVE to being sodding useless. Between them, I bet Cameron and Beckham must have held the audience spellbound. Great! An aphasic dyslaectic subliterate and David Beckham. How could we fail?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 12:11 PM

Well, I think it's a shame, but thats just me.
Maybe, though, we can start to pursue the various members of FIFA, who (allegedly) have had financial inducements over the years.
It will sound like sour grapes, but......the whole election process seems a bit suspect. After all, who appointed these 22 guys in the first place?
And, before you shout me down, I'd be saying the same even if England had won.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 12:20 PM

A bit like the Eurovision Song competition.

England and America don't get a sniff. Could it have anything to do with our arrogance and our interfering in countries we shouldn't be in? We are not popular in large parts of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Brian May
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 12:21 PM

Thank God England lost!

Football has a very tacky image these days. The England team (footballers) constantly disappoint their fans with poor performances.

But tell me . . . how DO you motivate 11 millionaires? They get paid whether or not they win, they're fabulously rich and hold their fans in contempt. Would YOU vote for that?

They could probably use all that money that would have emerged from the woodwork, for some sensible purpose.

Like THAT'S going to happen . . .

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 12:24 PM

..poor old "World Cup Willie";
seemed to perk up for a bit, then sadly drooped again at the last moment.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 12:27 PM

Well now we have to listen to the endless post mortems, and recriminations.
We're still celebrating 1966, for goodness sake.
We were trumphalist in winning, and now we're being bad losers.

I prefer to blame China :)

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 12:40 PM

I blame Sky Sports News

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: mandotim
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 01:02 PM

Somebody screwed up; who was in charge of bribes?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 01:38 PM

'Well now we have to listen to the endless post mortems, and recriminations..'

Well what you have to realise is that it's a game of two halves.

On one side you had the Russian Mafia (in many ways the architects of the modern game!) and on the other side was David Cameron, who went to a good school and has a nice looking wife.

you can't help feeling we need a little more strength in depth.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 02:09 PM

àáñîëþòíàÿ íàãðóçêà äåðüìà ìû äîëæíû áûòü ýêñïåðòàìè êîððóïöèè è âçÿòî÷íè÷åñòâîì

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 02:37 PM

Wattsy, what the hell does that say?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 03:14 PM

hi arthur

No chance !! Russia is one step too far.

Now if Spain had won it......now that's different.

I have a house over there and so does my sister and sister-in-law. So we would not have to pay much more as we would just adjust the times of our visits to co-incide with the World Cup.

I do travel with Man U when I can, but International travel is getting less and less as time progresses...that's a euphamism for \I'm getting to old to care...lol

I always enjoy going to Villa though. The games are usually good and open. I have a pal here who is a Villa fan so we have a few beers together and put the World right.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 03:28 PM

Don't worry, the 1966 final is still re re re run most weekends !

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 03:39 PM

"Look on the bright side:
at least it saves us the humiliation of losing the World Cup on home soil;
and the Yanks failed to get 2022"

Screw you Clumper! Snobs like you are the reason why you did not get 2018. England received 2 votes and were out the first round of voting. That speaks volumes. Personally, I would have loved to see the World Cup in England, but it looks like you have some fence mending to do.

As upset as I am that the USA did not get 2022, the idea that the Cup is getting to new corners of the globe is a positive. For too many years it was a rotation between Europe and South America.

Only problem is, for Qatar will need to find bodies to fill the seats.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Allan Con
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 05:25 PM

"As upset as I am that the USA did not get 2022, the idea that the Cup is getting to new corners of the globe is a positive. For too many years it was a rotation between Europe and South America."

Going to Qatar doesn't seem to make much sense at all. Russia has a footballing tradition as did South Africa. If footballing countries like the Netherlands supposedly couldn't hold it succesfully themselves - how on earth can a tiny middle-eastern state with zero footballing tradition? Where next the Faroe Islands?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 05:29 PM

"If footballing countries like the Netherlands supposedly couldn't hold it succesfully themselves - how on earth can a tiny middle-eastern state with zero footballing tradition?"

Probably with wealth.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Allan Con
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 05:40 PM

"For too many years it was a rotation between Europe and South America."

Actually if you look at the previous 40 years the tournament has only been held in South America on two occassions. Chile in 1962 and Argentina in 1978. The next World Cup is surely a long overdue return to that part of the world? And 4 out of the last 7 World Cup Finals have been held outwith Europe and South America!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 05:44 PM

I did chuckle when Cameron said, that because of the number of immigrants, from so many diverse countries, living in the UK. We could guarantee home support for almost every visiting country's team!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 06:35 PM

"I don't recall the Chinese football league of the late 19th century"

'In China, under the Han Dynasty, which ended in AD 220, footballers......played Tsu-Chu (kickball) on the Emperor's birthday.'

'The Roman legions developed, probably from the Greek games, the game of harpastum, a war-game with a ball that came three-quarters of the way to modern football'.

Nicholas Mason, 'Football!'

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 06:36 PM

Over the last 20 years, what England 'seems' to have been famous for was the hooligans who traveled to various important matches to drink & riot. I would not be surprised to find that the idea of all those idiots having easy access to World Cup matches was heavy on the minds of those voting.

I'd love to hear that better behavior is changing that image.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 08:17 PM

I think it can be assumed that the selection was based on backhanders of one sort and another.

It's a great relief, anyway. Hosting the 2012 Olympics is bad enough.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 08:25 PM

I don't suppose it'll make that much difference where it's held, though the further east presumably the earlier the kick-off times, but Soccer World Cups haven't had a beneficial effect on folk activities in pubs.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 08:44 PM

well.. yes, screw me if can't resist taking the piss out of all the hysterical thick headed media fueled jingoism
the world cup always entails.

So Russia and Quatar may or may not be an honest and fair decision ?

But isn't it better to encourage the promotion of positive Sporting & Cultural values and economic growth
in farer flung regions of the world ?

Or pander to the arrogance of rich spoiled western nations like USA & UK
who seem to deem it their 'right' to push to the head of the queue
to grab a 2nd bite of the golden apple
sooner than most other footballing nations on the planet.

The average wait for a 2nd opportunity to host the World Cup would approx at 60 years / 2 generations.

Fair enough, England would be due reasonable consideration asap afer 2018,
But America, after hosting merely 16 years ago ????

Get in line after Antarctica !!!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 10:29 PM

Clumpy - do the math. In 2022 it would be 28 years.

No one is "pushing", just offering what they can. The 1994 World Cup was very successful on many counts - including financial, but as you even muttered - the "sporting and cultural" values that the World Cup brought was enormous. We have a growing league and the sport is now very popular and finding inclusion among other established sports in this country.   

Being an established "footballing" nation is not enough. The infrastructure that surrounds it needs to be more than stadiums. I actually applaud FIFA for bringing the cup to nations where football is not the national pastime, the idea should be to spread the gospel and grow the sport - not play it just for those who already support it.

Allan - you are right, I should not obviously not include Mexico as part of South America when I referred to rotation.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Kampervan
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 04:21 AM

So rather than having a world-wide free-for-all bidding contest, why don't FIFA draw up a list of geographical regions, Europe, Africa, Asia N/S America etc and decide, in advance which region should host the next world cup.

Then they can invite all the countries in that region who want to host the tournament to submit bids.Could save a lot of time, money and angst. And it might stop some of the dangerously high levels of blood pressure and nastiness that this subject is obviously generating!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Green Man
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 04:25 AM

Hooray, the Russians got it.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 04:54 AM

' actually applaud FIFA for bringing the cup to nations where football is not the national pastime'

yeh that's the world needs - some Man United fan suicide bombers

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 05:19 AM

Well I hope that Rooney won't be playing, anymore sulks or tantrums will make it a certainty that we will not win the 2018 World Cup yet again let alone hosting it.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arnie
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 05:46 AM

At least FIFA can't take The Ashes series away from us!!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Stu
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 06:51 AM

Should be interesting to see how the Qataris react when thousands of drunken football fans rock up and hope for a rowdy street party. I suppose the Russian mafia will sort them out though.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 07:03 AM

more likely they can leave it to the Russian nationalist football hooligan crews who have been dreaming of the day
they can 'meet up' and test themselves against the English thugs they have idolised and modelled themselves upon from afar
for so many years..

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 07:27 AM

Yes indeed Mr Clumpers - football supplies so many positive role models worldwide.

Don't you just long for the days of a brisk handshake in the goalmouth, fleeting moments of homosexual love in the showers and long woolly socks, held up with elastic.

I believe hockey supplied similar delights in girls schools - which I always felt I would have enjoyed more.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Brian May
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 07:52 AM

Frankly, my dear . . . I don't give a damn.


HOOOORAY !!!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 05:45 PM

Russia 2018!!!

There is a God! Thank you your omniscience!

By the way, what was Cameron doing bothering himself negotiating over the venue for a stupid game - hasn't he got better things to be doing with his time?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 06:17 PM

He misheard, when someone said it was a ball-game, he thought they said wall-game, so he went.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 06:46 PM

Well the normal day for playing the Wall Game is St Andrew's Day!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 03:27 AM

I wish I could sit on my arse watching telly all day, instead of trudging through the snow to work, to earn money to pay taxes to keep other people in luxury sitting on their arses all day watching telly and posting bollocks on here about something they'd deluded themselves into believing was imminent but that was never going to happen because we don't pay big enough bribes and that cocksucker Blatter hates us anyway.

Phew...that feels better! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 03:40 AM

'I wish I could sit on my arse watching telly all day, instead of trudging through the snow to work, to earn money'

Luxury....sheer luxury! We used to dream about being able to trudge. We used to battle our way through a blizzard, through frostbite and a nasty hangover and THEN....drive a Vauxhall Viva sideways down the road from Tamworth to Birmingham.

And you get paid for it! You young uns...!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 04:03 AM

That's the great thing about being retired.

You can do whatever you like and bollocks to anybody else. :-)

I can remember walking to work in the snow back in the 60's from Great Barr to the GEC in Witton Birmingham, where I worked at the time, in the snow back in the 60's.
Never used to bother me then.

However, I hate the snow now, because of arthritus etc, daren't even put a foot outside the door, for fear of slipping and breaking bones.
Couldn't even get the car out the drive since Monday morning.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,alan Whittle
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 04:28 AM

That Guest was me, sorry!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 06:15 AM

"Never used to bother me then"

It never used to bother us back in the '60s, Arthur, because we were slim, fit, well-britched young men in our 'teens back then, sowing our wild oats and living Life In The Fast Lane!

Now I'm in my '60s, and it takes me all night to do what I used to do all night, I hate bloody snow....especially when there's a day's graft between trudges! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Alan whittle
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 06:20 AM

Ah! You missed a trick there, You should have eaten and drank to excess like me and Les, then you'd be so buggered you couldn't go out to the shed, never mind work.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 06:22 AM

BTW...we're off to the Arena in Sheffield tonight to see Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds Live, complete with rock band, 46-piece orchestra, Justin Hayward, Chris Thompson, Jason Donovan and Liz McLarnan (the ex-Atomic Kitten).

I checked just now and it was on last night in Glasgow, and will definitely be on at Sheffield tonight. Takes more than a bit of snow to put them guys off (unlike the wimpy, wussy folk-clubs who all seem to have rolled over and died this week). :-) :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 06:23 AM

I did that too, Al. Aaaahhh, happy daze!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: banjoman
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 07:11 AM

So England failed to get the world cup in 2018. The real victim here is truth. I dont think that I would have welcomed a world cup final tournament awarded through bribery and lies. Well done to the media for exposing the truth. I was apalled to here one FA guy saying that "The media lost it for us"
Anyway lets be more positive - Liverpool to win the Premier League - no bribes allowed

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 07:15 AM

Disappointed by the "we were robbed" attitude I keep hearing, further to my above comment: our club football has become a greedy, meaningless, free-market, foreign farce, whereby "premier league" players might as well swap shirts BEFORE kick-off; and the appointment of Fabio capello was/is a national disgrace.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arnie
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 07:27 AM

FIFA should repay the money we spent on the bid - £15 million or so. Same goes for the other bidding countries that have held the competition previously. Now the delegates tell us that they intended to award the World Cup to countries where it had never been held before in the interest of promoting football in these parts of the world. Wouldn't it have been nice of FIFA to tell us that before we submitted our bid??? What an absolute waste of time, effort and money.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 07:36 AM

What I found totally obscene about the whole process is that while England freezes and is under the biggest financial meltdown it has known for decades, they can find the money to protect the Prince and Mr Cameron to swan around Brussels for days while they are shutting day centres for elderly care in most of the cities the world cup would have been held in. I wonder how much the security cost for this escapade and how much the councils paid who were hoping to gain from the bid?

Russia and Qatar have lots of oil too don't they? Or am I being skeptical?

All this said it makes no odds to me as I do not like football. Maybe I am biased but I really do find it obscene when I think what it has cost :(

mp

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 09:03 AM

I was hoping I'd hear more suggesting we go back toward how our club football was not that long ago (mostly locals in MEANINGFUL competition), and working-out how to tackle internationals by ourselves - alas, as I just said, I've been disappointed.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 09:37 AM

Poor WAV! We disappoint you yet again.

Several years ago, i was in a duo and we did this gig at the end of year party of a pigeon fanciers club.

So in the interval I was sat there all bored - for the general talk in the room was of pigeons - a subject i cared little about.

This guy sidles up to me, and commences telling me how much he's in love with his pigeons, how much he paid for them, how he feeds them their favourite food, and when he goes to see them every morning in their little shed - they greet him like a true friend, having about the same level of intelligence (as I was thinking).

I mentioned my encounter to my playing partner - who said - don't you be fooled, i've seen him shoot his little pigeon pals off the roof with an air rifle rather than wait for them to come down - just so he could clock in a better time.

I think football is a bit like that. I would shoot someone off the roof, to see Birmingham City in the cup final.

Pigeon fancying, football, folksinging....its a dirty business, not really for fine sensibilities such as your own. Its called human nature.

have you considered Pure Philosophy?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 10:25 AM

hi

I know that a lot has been written about the the manner in which the FIFA World Cup draw was awarded.

Of course I wanted England to rubit BUT I would have been very sceptical about the procedures if the England " Heavy gang" had managed to persuade the delegates to change their mainds at that late stage.

Surely FIFA had made up their minds as to the best bid in the previous 2 1/2 years that they had been deciding upon the course of action.

Surely if a last minute plea by any Nation had been successful their would have been something wrong in the selection process.

England's overtures should have been made 12 months earlier.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 12:38 PM

I think walkabout verse should be England s new football manager, he could inspire the team to play better with his poetry.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 12:51 PM

"I think football is a bit like that. I would shoot someone off the roof, to see Birmingham City in the cup final." (Alan)...I was never quite that keen, but I used to follow it quite closely - when it was still mostly locals against mostly locals. However, since I no longer do, perhaps you could give us an idea as to how many of the current Birmingham squad learnt their football in the area? And which, if any, of the top clubs still at least tends toward selecting local players.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 01:29 PM

And like a good soldier, G.S.S., modern passion and tolerance should be raplaced by traditional, Alf Ramsey like, calm and discipline; or in poetry - Tears.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 02:14 PM

I've lost all interest in modern global corporate show-biz football.
Last time I cared must have been sometime back in the 1970's.

So I must admit, despite my loathing for nationalism & xenophobia,
on this issue, I'm inclined to agree with WalkaboutsVerse.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 02:17 PM

Well that's it. I've no idea about Birmingham City's composition, but its MY bloody team.

There can be no possible moral justification for the unfortunates I shoot off the roof.

Only bad people support football teams, fancy pigeons and go to folk clubs.

None of us are up to your exacting standards. We don't give a bugger whether its a zulu, an eskimo or even a Welsh person scoring the winning goal or singing the ace song, as long as we get the pigeon off the roof.

Now to you, it would appear to matter. Judging by the number of years and the number of threads on this same subject of the integrity of ones cultural identity - it matters greatly.

I fear in the long run (and indeed in the short run) you are doomed to disappointment in these matters.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 02:35 PM

I can't believe I have been involved with you Al.
Bluesnose, we at Villa hate you Bluesnoses. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 03:55 PM

Well you should understand Les - I bet you'd shoot someone off the roof to see Villa in the FA cup final - and not give a bugger if the entire team were eskimos in claret and blue sealskins.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 04:55 PM

LOL and you are from Boston in Lincolnshire.

At least I was born not 3 miles from Villa Park and have remained loyal to the only team who will remain in the PL and have supported them since 1956.

Bluenoses are scumbag to us Villa supporters. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 05:09 PM

"the only team who will remain in the PL"

So what's going to happen to all the other teams?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 05:19 PM

he he Do I give a fuck :-)

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 05:31 PM

That's your typical Villa fan. Rough types the lot of them.

A rough exterior that masks an even rougher interior.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 05:57 PM

Indeed Al LOL

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 07:27 PM

Makes sense though, in a way, as an aspiration at least. No other teams, and they'd never lose. Never win either, of course, and the games would be a bit boring...

...................

As for the World Cup, the right way would be, as Kampervan suggested, for FIFA to nominate the region, and invite countries in that region to volunteer to host it. Then it'd be a matter of determining which countries were up to the job, according to criteria openly laid down - and sticking the names of those countries in a hat to determine the actual host.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: melodeonboy
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 07:48 PM

"It's like the Eurovision Song Contest :-)"

Yes, only the music's better!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 12:47 PM

Blimey after all those slimey FIFA delegates vote against England having the World Cup, Boris Johnson has withdrawn the offer of a free stay in London's exclusive Dorchester hotel for Fifa executives during the 2012 Olympics.

Fuck me, don't those bastards earn enough money themselves to pay for their own hotels.

What is wrong with our country. We are massively in debt and it's citizens are paying the cost and people like Blatter are offered free accomodation.

I think the government should ban all freebies for 2012 and make anybody that want's to attend pay.

grump grump grump.

Blatter is a twatter

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 03:36 PM

You seen Boris Johnson has refused pay for FIFA's rooms at the Dorchester over the Olympics.

Never thought I'd say this, but good on you mate. If they act like venal crooks, treat 'em like crooks.

If Qatar can get the world cup - it'll be a piece of piss for that load of arab countries to get America to bomb Iran. Money doesn't talk, it swears.

Iran looks pretty ropey to us, but don't you get the feeling that there is (however deranged and tarnished) a version of democracy going on there. And that's what that weird gang of countries have against the place.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 03:53 PM

You can say what you like about Boris, but I really like that bloke.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 05:20 PM

'You can say what you like about Boris.....'

Good! He's a tory! Tories are scumbags to us sensitive decent folk.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 05:32 PM

That's funny Al. I thought only Blues supporters were scumbags.

Up the Villa

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 06:47 AM

hi

Now that the dust is settling from the explosion after the result of the World Cup draw many things are becoming much clearer.

1. We were never going to win this nomination. That was clear two years ago. What Blatter says goes at FIFA and Blatter said it " would be difficult for England to win".

2. All the postulating and last minute lobbying was a total failure. Cameron's claim to have influenced 8 votes was a pure pipe-dream.

3 In the Daily Express last week it was claimed that Cameron ran rings round Putin as he "led" the England bid for FIFA votes. Hmmmm....we know different.

4. Instead of being able to strut and pose as the great saviour of England's bid Mr Cameron disappeared from the scene as soon as he knew the result, not even waiting for it to be announced publically.

Seems to me that Putin staying at home while "pissing" himself laughing at our feeble attempts shows who really was the political victor here.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 05:09 PM

I seem to to recall Sepp Blatter voicing some surprise at Fabio Capello's appointment, and making efforts to have club football regulated back toward a more local flavour - has anyone heard any of our mainstream football-media address this yet?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Leadfingers
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 08:12 PM

Just a silly thought , but how many players for Premier League Football Clubs are actually English ?

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Arnie
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 05:05 AM

Leadfingers - there are plenty of English footballers in the Premier League - they're the ones sat on the bench!!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 05:08 AM

It reminded me of the Eurovision Contest I half expected Graham Norton to comment on it!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 07:10 AM

Sad news today, the son of the great Sir Booby Moore dead.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/29072011/58/bobby-moore-son-found-dead.html

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: goatfell
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 09:14 AM

I'm glad the England didn't get because you never shut up about 1966. and we the ther countries in Britian hare just fed up with it glad you won the wolrd cup back then but it is in the past.

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: Musket
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 09:26 AM

Ah but goatfell, you forget. It is also in the future. We will win the next world cup. I am as confident as a fan must be, and indeed in most cases, is.

EENNNGGGEEEERRRRLLLLAAAAAAAANNNNNNNDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: England World Cup 2018 bid
From: goatfell
Date: 29 Jul 11 - 12:33 PM

Living in the past