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BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do

josepp 19 Apr 11 - 05:34 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: josepp
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 05:34 PM

gnu is presenting himself as a particularly trifling, hateful idiot. I must say, it's most disturbing. I also get the feeling that gnu is probably the most hateful neighbor out of all the ones he lives among--but, of course, it's all their fault. They have windchimes that make that infernal noise and won't take them down when he demands it. They have mean cats that sit on walls and force his half-demented dog to to become fully demented by doing absolutely nothing. And when those neighbors won't do as gnu demands of them--well--they're just asking for it is all.

What I find particularly funny on this thread is that the ones who accuse me of being a nasty, mean person are all complaining about their neighbors and what assholes they are and how the cops have to be called to stop them from going at each other's throats. I've been living in my neighborhood since '98 and have never had a cross word with any of my neighbors. It's not that they don't sometimes exhibit annoying behavior, but the idea of getting in their faces about it is not going to solve anything. Oh--and I live in windchime city, practially every porch has them. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

gnu writes to me: "People like you piss me off. You are a worse problem than asshole neighbours with no brains. You actually think my asshole neighbours are within their rights to assault me with their noise ALL NIGHT AND DAY LONG?."

Assualting you with their noise all day and night??? A windchime??? A person with a windchime is an asshole with no brains? And I'm even worse because I told you go move to the country if it bothers that much if you can take the chirping of crickets?

gneu responds: "Crickets I can understand... you?...I certainly can't understand your rudeness."

What rudeness? I said go move to the country if you want absolute quiet or do the sounds of crickets piss you off too? And that makes me even worse then the brainless asshole with a windchime who is so fortunate to be living next to the ever-stable, even-tempered gnu.

gnu writes: 'Gee... there it is. It's that "fuck you" attitude. It's that "I don't give a shit if I annoy you. I can do whatever I want even if it is rude and obnoxious. Even when I don't have to. What are you gonna do about it eh?"'

So I suppose if I went to your house and told you to shut your goddamn dog up and if I hear it bark one more goddamn time, I'm going to shoot the fucker right through the head, you'd apologize and promise to keep the brute quiet for my well-being. Am I warm, gnu?

gnu writes: "Do you try to bully your neighbours like you try to bully me on this thread?"

When did I bully you?? Nobody bullied anybody--get over it. You have a serious persecution complex. Everybody in the neighborhood is out to get poor, little gnu--is that it? Awww, poor baby. Forced to listen to windchimes and watch cats sit on walls. Must really suck to be you.

gnu writes: 'As for "pissing me off"? Piss off.'

Why do I get the feeling that you've spoken such words to your neighbors many, many times. After all, they're all out to get you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: josepp
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 05:42 PM

/////I think the message Gnu may be trying to pass on, is that if he finds the tinkle of windchimes or the presence of small critters who sit quietly in hedges so distressing that he feels driven to destroy them, then he probably aughta be living someplace by himself, far far away from other humankind, where he will no longer be distressed by such things.////

Yeah, how about the moon?


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 05:44 PM

Whoever has posted on this thread, and for whatever reason, and from whatever angle.... just be glad...

very glad...

very, VERY glad...

That you are not living next door to Don and Shane McBride.

That is all. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 06:01 PM

I never had a problem with any neighbours in all of the many places, flats, etc I lived before the lady next door moved in. One of the neighbors even put on paper that the neighbourhood had been a friendly one with no such problems before she moved in (he even found her prowling around in his yard after midnight) before he died. Funny she told some of the neighbors when she was speaking to them, before she fell out with THEM how she had lived in a block of units and had to move out 'because everybody hated her and was always nasty to her'...


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: josepp
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 06:04 PM

Here in the US, people like that are ordered to move.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 06:13 PM

gnu, I hope you have your tongue firmly in your cheek with that last posting, otherwise that could be a friend-breaker.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 06:24 PM

Australia, in spite of claims and efforts to the contrary, is not the 51st state of the USA....


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 06:25 PM

What is more the person owns her home: I thought that the 'land of the free' didn't have such powers to make someone sell their home, even in circumstances like this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 06:29 PM

""Australia, in spite of claims and efforts to the contrary, is not the 51st state of the USA""

There you go again with that 5 thing:)

BTW, didn't a few USA-Canadiankins claim the 51 number awhile back?


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: josepp
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 08:36 PM

If you make your neighbors lives unbearable in the US, the courts can order you to move. It has happened many times. In fact, I just read about it again a couple of weeks ago. In some cases, it's necessary--the parties involved are so at war that violence is going to break out if something isn't done. And that's happened many times as well.

The case I refer to happened in my state. A 7-year-old girl was dying of a disease. There was some kind of kiddie party at the girl's house and a neighbor was furious that her children didn't get invitations even though the girl's mother told her that her kids were welcome. This woman then posted mocking death notices about the girl on her Facebook page. On Halloween, she put a coffin in front of the girl's house. She also poked fun of the girl's mother who had died of the same disease. Public outcry forced her to issue a public apology but she continued to cause trouble and, at one point, tried to run one of her neighbors over with her car. She was arrested and the judge said, "Move." And you have to move or the state will move you--into a nice comfy jail cell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 11:49 PM

I'm not aware of the power of any federal or state authority or court to do such a thing here in OZ. Thanks for the interesting info. We have Apprehended Violence Orders, flouting of which can cause you to end up in Jail, or eventually be sent to the Funny Farm, but not aware of any power to make you sell and move.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: LadyJean
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:36 AM

I lived in a fourth floor apartment near two, count 'em two churches with bells. When I first moved there, I said it was like rooming with Quasimodo. By the time I moved out, I didn't hear them. I moved out of the building, because of a nut job neighbor who gave me all kinds of insane grief, played cat and mouse games, and liked to show up as I was coming out of the shower. I do not miss that loon.

The old gent who lives next door to me, likes to call the police. He has trouble backing up his minivan. (I learned that the hard way, after he did in my front bumper.) If you park too close to his rear bumper, he'll call the cops. (As I live in a small community they come.) He called them and got my boyfriend and me out of bed one night so my boyfriend could move his car.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 01:51 AM

My previous post is an excellent example of sleep writing.\
Entire words or phrases are absent.

Last year I wrote honestly about my neighbor and her liberal use of poisons sprayed directly upon my back door, pool, hot tub, garden and pets.

Despite the fact that negative health effects did result, including a miscarraige, I received several messages from our mudcat neighbors soundly critisizing my admonitions of my neighbor's refusal to cease and decist the spraying of herbacides and pesticides on my property.

LIke nations, like neighbors.


I sincerely wish that people would at least obey Asimov's first rule of robotics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 03:03 AM

Thankfully not had that experience with neighbours. Although our last one was a real arsehole in many ways he wasn't anti-social, but that's another story. I think I have mentioned before though about the pub I used to go in. A real loud-mouthed, obnoxious idiot started to go in. Unfortunatley he was friends with the landlord. A couple of people complained - and got banned from the pub. More people found that life was easier if they found the idiot 'funny but harmeless' as the landlord did and started to act in the same way. Lots of people left until, in the end, the landlord was left on his own with idiots and fools. The pub is now a solictors office oddly enough...

MP


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 03:53 AM

Actually that is not a bad idea Lizzie, roses, jasmine and essences a la creosotte and just a hint of toasted oak. Bottle it and make a fortune, I am being silly now lol, it's all this sunshine going to our heads.

Tar is a lovely smell too and I used to love the smell of coal tar soap and even petrol coming from the pumps, my dad used to fill up before we headed off on a trip to the seaside and the smell as it glugged into the car meant that we were set for a long trip. The smell of cut grass and hay is another favourite and of course the smell of the seaside. Some people hate the smell of manure but to me it shows that you are well and truly in the countryside.

I suppose the only thing that gets up my nose are the odd few who cannot hold their drink and make what should be a nice evening a nightmare for everyone else but thankfully only a minority.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 07:02 AM

Patsy, about the Creocoat (new name for product permitted in place of Creosote) We have both been vomiting and my throat is now raw. We haven't slept for two nights as the fumes are absolutely unbearable. My washing off the clothesline stinks, and in spite of the lovely weather we can't sit out in the garden or do any gardening. In a minute we're going out in the car to somewhere where we can breathe, we'll stay out as long as possible. I feel ill and tearful. Has anyone the right to put their neighbours through all this? We coated OUR fences with odour-free water-based fencepaint, it's just as effective. My three cats, by the way, look ill too, they're not eating. I'm worried about the possible long-term effects of these chemicals, eg cancer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 05:59 PM

Creosote is a petroleum waste product. It is sold marked as Poison in Australia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 06:24 PM

Eliza: Get out of there as much as possible. I do not know where you live. In many USA states, there are laws about using such products without warning the neighbours. You and your husband are clearly highly sensitive and are in jeopardy of becoming more so because of this exposure. You can email me: dorothyp@whidbey.com. Environmental sensitivity/MCS is a horror.

We were exposed to the dust from creosoted wood blocks a few weeks ago and were seriously ill for several days. We detoxed with hot epsom salt baths and NAC. It took almost a week to get right again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 06:52 PM

Chilli cook-up leaves locals gasping


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 06:55 PM

I just noticed - of the other 'top articles' linked to is

'I knew you did it': teen pleads guilty to Garg murder


..... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 09:10 PM

Creosote is not creocote.
Creosote is nasty stuff. It's health and environmental impacts are well known. In most locals, creosote is illegal in residential applications and is illegal or mostly restricted for industrial use.

While Creocote is new and marketed as OK for certain residential uses, because it is new limited research has been done on it's human health impacts. It presents a hazard to aquatic life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 09:24 PM

For subtle "fuck off" use only


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: gnu
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 01:20 PM

josepp... "gnu is presenting himself as a particularly trifling, hateful idiot."

Typical. Your rude attitude toward others is clearly evident. As for me allowing "my" dog to bark, I wouldn't. I have manners and am mindful of others. That is the whole point of the thread. Unfortunately, people like you feel it is your right to do whatever you please without regard for others.

As for your character assination of me, repleat with innuendo and wild assumptions... typical of a person whose arguements are grasping at straws to be seen as other than their posts prove.

As for me shooting anything, I'd like to shoot your windchimes as you present yourself as a bully.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: gnu
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 01:39 PM

Sorry for the typos but I was typing, ah, er... fast... yeah, fast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 02:26 PM

Thank you so much Dorothy for your concern. We stayed out near the sea for the day and breathed fresh air, and when we got home, the fumes had diminished a bit, but still unpleasant. Luckily a breeze has sprung up and is blowing away from us, so we feel a lot better. (We're in the UK by the way.)People are so IGNORANT about pollution and danger to the environment aren't they? I would never DREAM of doing such a thing!
Ed T, I understand what you're saying, that this is a new product and can't have been tested for long-term effects yet. It's definitely petroleum-based, as when it started, I first thought our oil tank had ruptured! I wish such products could be banned for domestic use and restricted to industrial sites. Is it really necessary to spray it on a garden fence?
The worrying thing is, a lot of children have arrived to CAMP in the garden right among the smelly fences, they're having a barbecue at the moment. I do hope they aren't risking serious health problems. Their Dad must be a lunatic IMO!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: gnu
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 02:32 PM

Ed... every day over a long period of time, the cat sat in the hedge and teased the dog... even pissed on the dog. The dog would nearly choke itself unconcious, or so I was told my the little old lady on the other side of the property. I asked the owner of the cat to TRY to do something... come get the cat and admonish it... anything. I was met with a "fuck you" attitude. Other neighbours complained, including that little old lady, about the dog (BTW, it wasn't MY dog, it was my landlord's dog) barking for extended periods of time during the day while we were at work. The little old lady was more concerned for the dog than she was about the barking.

I didn't sic the dog on the cat... I let nature take it's course because the owner of the cat was not willing to lift a finger to help out.

I had three cats and I trained them all very well. I put a sandbox in my yard and kept it clean so they wouldn't shit elsewhere unless they were caught short. I told all my neighbours to tell me if they had ANY problems with my cats. If a neighbour told me that my cat   shat on their property, I would take the cat over, pick up the shit, make the cat smell it and admonish it and then take the cat to the sandbox and deposit the shit and tell the cat,"THAT is where you shit!" I would go after them with a water gun if I saw them after birds. I would do the same if I saw them in somebody's garden.

Neighbours have a responsiblity to neighbours. They have to at least TRY to be good neighbours. When they don't even try, it's time to build a fence.

Bullies are not acceptable to me and that cat and it's owner were bullies.

Yes, I did let Bear eat the cat. But I am sure the cat didn't suffer very long. It was small, four pounds max. Bear was four months old, gentle as a kitten and about ninety pounds. Was it cruel to let Bear eat the cat? Yup. I coulda shot it, I suppose. But I woulda gave it to Bear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 03:46 PM

The COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS of Creocote:
Solvent naphtha (petroleum)
Diphenyl Trimethylbenzene
Dicyclopentadiene
Naphthalene
Condensates (petroleum)

IMO, the main ingregient of concern would be Naphthalene. I am not sure how drying and time reduces it's impact, or availability via air or contact.

Here is some info on this compound:
Naphthalene


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: josepp
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 04:56 PM

Main Entry:1bul£ly
Pronunciation:*b*-l*, *b*-
Function:noun
Inflected Form:plural bullies
Etymology:probably from Middle Dutch boele lover; akin to Middle Low German b*le lover, Middle High German buole
Date:1538

1 archaic    a : SWEETHEART b : a fine chap
2 anyone poor, persecuted gnu doesn't like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: gnu
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 05:35 PM

josepp... "2 anyone poor, persecuted gnu doesn't like."

Keep up the bullying and rudeness. It just reinforces my original post. I suspect your post saying you are a good neighbour may mean you are a coward bully.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 05:43 PM

Thanks for that Ed. A really toxic soup! Best avoided by all living creatures. Wonder what it does to the beneficial bugs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 05:47 PM

""Wonder what it does to the beneficial bugs.""
I suspect it does not discriminate, even with the human bug itself.:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 05:52 PM

In Nova Scotia, Canada, a province wide ban was placed on non-essential Pesticides used on Lawns and Ornamental Gardens starting April 1, 2011. Do you have such a ban?

non-essential.pesticides


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 08:34 PM

I love windchimes.
My neighbors put up with all sorts of rowdy folkie events at my house and never call the police or even knock on the door to complain. So i wisely ignore their little foibles.
But I do love wind chimes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: ranger1
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 10:38 PM

Mary, was it wise to post that bit of info on the 'cat? (I ask, as I head out the door to find cheap, tacky, nun-shaped windchimes)


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Deckman
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 11:52 PM

I have lived in my neighborhood of Everett, Washington (usa) for over 20 years. During those years, I've had my frustrations with many rude neighbors: druggies, dope dealers, prostitutes, thieves, noisy dogs, late night parties, etc. I've survived ... better than some.

BUT ... what REALLY gets me is the Sunday afternoon bible thumpers. I'm surrounded by 5 (count 'em ... FIVE) CHURCHES. Each church is filled with people who feel that their sole (there's a pun there folks) obligation is to save my soul from things that THEY view as a threat.

I have several prominant signs that say: "NO SOLICITORS ... NO BIBLE THUMPERS ... NO CHRISTIANS ALLOWED ... etc. But sure enough, every Sunday afternoon ... here they come.

I have several tactics, depending on my mood. I might try to ignore them. Or I stare at them with my evil eye. Sometimes I only speak to them in Finnish ... this is always entertaining as they know not whereof I speak! Sometimes I ask them if they want to die NOW ... or five minutes from now ... I give them a choice.

So ... beyond the drug dealers, prostitutes, thieves, bad dogs, errant children and drunk cops, I can handle most anything ... EXCEPT THOSE #@$r^%^&#%@ christians! GAWD HELP US ALL! bob(deckman)nelson


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 05:33 AM

Thank you Ed! Having read your information about naphthalene, one wonders how on earth 'Creocote' has been passed as usable in domestic situations, and why anyone with any sense would wish to spray it all over his fences! I just hope my husband and I aren't affected in the long-term, I feel very very angry about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: bobad
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 06:56 AM

naphthalene = mothballs


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 07:49 AM

Public Health, Naphthalene, 1-Methylnaphthalene, and 2-Methylnaphth


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 08:02 AM

Healthy Alternatives to Moth Balls

By Annie B. Bond

It was sobering to see that naphthalene, the main ingredient in conventional moth balls was recently listed as a registered carcinogen by the U.S. government. How many homes have that memorable smell impregnating their sweater chests and closets? Natural moth repellents are the only safe choice, and their fragrances are effective. If you have mothballs in your house, put them in the trash, and air anything that holds their smell in the sun as often as possible.

Here is how to make an easy and effective moth repellent sachet:

This recipe will fill about a dozen sachets. You can buy herbs in bulk at almost any health food store:

2 ounces each dried rosemary and mint
1 ounce each dried thyme and American ginseng
8 ounces whole cloves

Mix herbs and place some in the center of a bandanna or handkerchief (or in a muslin tea-bag, available at health food stores). Tie with a ribbon.



Read more: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/healthy-moth-ball-alternatives.html#ixzz1KFiReH9i

Are Mothballs Safe?



Good old mothballs


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: josepp
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 02:53 PM

////I have several prominant signs that say: "NO SOLICITORS ... NO BIBLE THUMPERS ... NO CHRISTIANS ALLOWED ... etc. But sure enough, every Sunday afternoon ... here they come.////

What you do is arm yourself with knowledge. Learn about the sham that is Christianity. For instance, tell them you'll join them if they can come up with one reference to Jesus Christ during his life. This incredible man born of a virgin who supposed turned Jewish society and the Roman occupation on its head should been someone the Roman writers might have found worth mentioning.

Or tell them you'll join if they can give you a chronological account of what happened on the first Easter--the conditions are that all four gospels must be used and no information can be omitted or modified from any of them. If these are reliable eyewitness testimonies, it should be a snap.

Or ask them if the gospels are eyewitness accounts then who witnessed the incident in the Garden of Gethsemane?

Or why did Jesus tell his audiences that the 2nd Coming would happen in their lifetimes when it didn't?

Or how did Jesus and Pilate engage in a complex conversation concerning the nature of truth when Jesus did not speak Greek or Latin and Pilate did not speak Aramaic?

If the gospel writers came from Palestine, how is it that they do not know the layout of its cities and towns and filled their accounts with the names of fictitious towns?

Why does Paul--supposedly a contemporary of Jesus--not ever tell us anything about Jesus Christ as a creature of history and, in fact, never tells us where Jesus walked or when?

When Paul was persecuting Christians, who else was involved with him, how long did the persecution last and why did it suddenly stop upon his conversion? Was he a one-man army?

Ask them if they are aware that Bethlehem once stood where Istanbul now stands and that was precisely the reason that Constantine placed the capital of the Eastern Empire there.

Ask them if they really believe it could be possible that a bunch of poor, illiterate commonfolk managed to found a church, produce a body of literature, develop a system of ritual and all with a fisherman appointed as its head?

This is how you combat them--learn their religion better than they know it and badger them relentlessly with questions and demand answers. If they try to equivocate, do not allow it--DEMAND answers to your questions. Tell them every time they come to your house, you will talk of nothing else so don't come by unless they have answers.

They'll stop coming by--trutst me on that one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 03:06 PM

""I have several prominant signs that say: "NO SOLICITORS ... NO BIBLE THUMPERS ... NO CHRISTIANS ALLOWED ... etc. But sure enough, every Sunday afternoon ... here they come.""


I don't know where you live, you must be in some type of bible belt to have such frequent visits?
I have never had a Christian come to my door?

I sued to have Jehovah's Witnesses' (not Christians) but, never had them for a long time.

Ever consider that your prominent signs may be attracting the oddest folks to join you in your argument, not that there is anything wrong with that (nor it may be the actual goal).
:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: josepp
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 03:14 PM

Yes, by putting those signs there, he's encouraging them. They're determined to convert him. They'll break him down with love, dammit! Christian proselytizers are the type of people who believe you don't have anything in your life and so you need Jesus. All you have to do is read their testimonies: "Once I was miserable with no direction in life and then I found God!" They think the most hostile people are that way and so will keep preaching to them until they give in.

What they don't count on is that you reject their religion not because you haven't studied it but because you have. So hit back in that area--they leave it totally unprotected. A few well aimed jabs there and they're gone. But, of course, it means that DO have to study it with a critical eye.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 03:18 PM

I spent some time in a house in Auckland with neighbours who were also heavy metal fans. They worked at constructing ferrocement yacht hulls. They combined work and business by making an exponential horn out of ferrocement, about 12 feet long and 8 feet across at the bell, and mounted on a trailer at the bottom of their garden pointing at the house. The idea was they could drive it from an amp kept indoors.

Fortunately they blew the driver speaker before I moved in.

The previous occupants of our house had left gouges along the hallway from where they'd driven their motorbikes up a ramp of planks through the front door, through the house and flying off the back porch. So with neighbours like us I guess the heavy metal yacht builders could easily get the idea that anything went.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 04:51 PM

I hate Rhubarb. YUK. Just a springtime thought.
Nothing to do with my neighbours.
But, all my neighbours grow it, have really healthy looking plants. They offer me some each and every year (that I decline, because I hate Rhubarb).


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 04:53 PM

I would like to pull out all the Rhubarb in the world and distroy it forever! But, I am not a violent man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: gnu
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 04:57 PM

josepp... "I have several prominant signs that say: "NO SOLICITORS ... NO BIBLE THUMPERS ... NO CHRISTIANS ALLOWED ... etc."

Yer shittin me!? Seriously?


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 04:59 PM

I once noticed a man who put a sign up on his entry step, that was near a bus stop, on a route that I took. It said "don't sit on the step". The sign kept coming down, and he kept putting it up. One day someone put a h in the lettering, it now said "don't shit on the step". The sign came down and was never erected again

On a personal note, I had no thought or desire to sit on his step, until I saw the sign. I admit, once I saw it, there was a compelling force that made me want to sit on it, if just for a few seconds. But, I never got the nerve up to do it, before it came down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 12:17 AM

You can reduce the frequency of Biblethumpers by telling them that you are of The Other People - it hurts their heads, as The Other People can not HAVE Original Sin ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: Penny S.
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 03:41 AM

Can you explain the Bethlehem in Byzantium bit? I've not come across that one.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Windchimes, rude things neighbours do
From: ranger1
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 07:09 AM

100!


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