Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafesj

Post to this Thread - Sort Descending - Printer Friendly - Home


Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)

Related threads:
Huge new Martin Carthy Interview (8)
In praise of Martin Carthy (34)
Online: Martin Carthy performing 21 January 2023 (9)
Happy 80th Birthday, Martin Carthy (14)
Martin Carthy on-line Concert Sat Feb 12(cancel) (28) (closed)
Carthy Family needs assistance (81) (closed)
Norma Waterson - information wanted (76) (closed)
A ‘Blue Plaque‘for The Waterson in Hull (10)
Wanted: 2004 Watersons Box Set (11)
Plaque for Lal Waterson, Hull, 5 SEPT (22)
Bright Phoebus reissued/Radio Documentary (83)
Review: Martin Carthy - Online Concert via LOC (3)
Martin Carthy book? (16)
Martin Carthy Concert May 1 - online!! (36)
New Martin Carthy interview (28)
Martin Carthy irish ancestor (9)
Martin Carthy's Internet presence (28)
Celtic Music wins in court (Bright Phoebus) (22)
Martin Carthy cds (3)
Norma Waterson recording, June 2018 release (6)
Normafest (5)
Bright Phoebus specialist interest? (20)
2006 'Frost and Fire' Concert (7)
Martin Carthy on a Desert Island (136)
Norma/Eliza 'Gift' tour December 2012 - UK (1)
2007/11: Norma Waterson unwell? (85) (closed)
Obit: Mike Waterson 22 June 2011 (132)
How is Mike Waterson? (42) (closed)
Fundraising for Norma Waterson (90)
Mike Harding inverviews Martin Carthy (30)
RE: Happy 70th Birthday - Martin Carthy (15)
A Call to All Folk Singers: Landfill Project (69)
Martin Carthy: Nice Guy (17)
Norma Waterson in Hospital in Cheshire (35)
The Watersons: A website (5)
Marry Waterson & Oliver Knight (7)
Martin Carthy - general discussion (55) (closed)
Martin Carthy feature in the Guardian (20)
Honorary doctorate for m.carthy (48)
Watersons/Coppers (10)
Garry Gillard (3)
Waterson/Carthy/Guvnor/Kipper sites (6)
What's your favourite Martin Carthy song? (93)
Eliza & Norma on Irish telly (4)
Martin Carthys Birthday (17)
Review: Waterson / Carthy (6)
Review: Martin Carthy's new Martin (24)
The Watersons on CD - some nitpicking (7)
Martin Carthy aged 70? (27)
Norma Waterson (38)
Carthy: Shearwater (8)
Carthy for President of EFDSS (23)
Carthy in Concert - Free (6)
Child and Waterson/Carthy (13)
Help: securing permissions / Watersons (4)
Martin Carthy & Dave Swarbrick (6)
Lal Waterson tribute album? (6)
Martin Carthy BBC Radio 2 (14)
Carthy Chronicles (8)
The Carthy Chronicles (18)
Vocal Magic - was Norma Waterson (25)
Martin Carthy is good/crap -discuss!! (41) (closed)
Carthy/ Waterson/ Michell/ (12)
Old Songs Festival 2001, FYI: Waterson/Carthy (7)
watersons video (2)
Waterson Carthy (13)
Waterson/Carthy interview (6)
Obit: Lal Waterson (1943-1998) (3)


GUEST,Mary Katherine sans cookie 31 Jan 22 - 04:18 AM
fat B****rd 31 Jan 22 - 04:20 AM
Tattie Bogle 31 Jan 22 - 04:39 AM
Dave the Gnome 31 Jan 22 - 04:41 AM
GUEST,JoeG 31 Jan 22 - 05:02 AM
Backwoodsman 31 Jan 22 - 05:02 AM
Roger the Skiffler 31 Jan 22 - 05:54 AM
Steve Shaw 31 Jan 22 - 06:00 AM
GUEST,Martin Ryan. 31 Jan 22 - 06:56 AM
gillymor 31 Jan 22 - 07:33 AM
rich-joy 31 Jan 22 - 07:52 AM
Vic Smith 31 Jan 22 - 07:56 AM
Levana Taylor 31 Jan 22 - 07:58 AM
John MacKenzie 31 Jan 22 - 08:26 AM
Steve Gardham 31 Jan 22 - 08:47 AM
GUEST,Desdemona 31 Jan 22 - 08:54 AM
GUEST 31 Jan 22 - 09:18 AM
GUEST 31 Jan 22 - 09:48 AM
r.padgett 31 Jan 22 - 09:50 AM
Waddon Pete 31 Jan 22 - 09:56 AM
GUEST,ottery 31 Jan 22 - 10:18 AM
GUEST 31 Jan 22 - 10:20 AM
GUEST,Greg F. 31 Jan 22 - 10:49 AM
RTim 31 Jan 22 - 11:20 AM
GUEST,Marian 31 Jan 22 - 11:59 AM
StephenH 31 Jan 22 - 12:01 PM
Joe Offer 31 Jan 22 - 12:08 PM
The Sandman 31 Jan 22 - 12:26 PM
Felipa 31 Jan 22 - 12:26 PM
GUEST,MikeOfNorthumbria, sans cookie 31 Jan 22 - 01:12 PM
Acorn4 31 Jan 22 - 01:31 PM
Dan Schatz 31 Jan 22 - 01:41 PM
GUEST,buspassed 31 Jan 22 - 02:06 PM
PHJim 31 Jan 22 - 03:01 PM
Elmore 31 Jan 22 - 04:19 PM
GUEST,Steve 31 Jan 22 - 07:19 PM
GUEST,Nick Dow 31 Jan 22 - 07:31 PM
keberoxu 31 Jan 22 - 09:00 PM
GUEST 01 Feb 22 - 06:17 AM
GUEST,Ada the Cadre 01 Feb 22 - 06:17 AM
GUEST 01 Feb 22 - 06:43 AM
Jean(eanjay) 01 Feb 22 - 07:17 AM
GeoffLawes 01 Feb 22 - 07:19 AM
Gozz 01 Feb 22 - 07:46 AM
Dave the Gnome 01 Feb 22 - 08:07 AM
Herga Kitty 01 Feb 22 - 08:08 AM
gillymor 01 Feb 22 - 08:15 AM
GUEST,keberoxu 01 Feb 22 - 11:14 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 01 Feb 22 - 02:01 PM
Steve Gardham 01 Feb 22 - 02:06 PM
GUEST 01 Feb 22 - 03:56 PM
GUEST,keberoxu 01 Feb 22 - 10:35 PM
RTim 01 Feb 22 - 11:44 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 02 Feb 22 - 01:39 AM
GUEST,DAVID NUTTALL 02 Feb 22 - 05:31 AM
YorkshireYankee 04 Feb 22 - 12:51 AM
YorkshireYankee 04 Feb 22 - 01:29 AM
r.padgett 04 Feb 22 - 02:38 AM
GUEST,Guest 05 Feb 22 - 08:47 PM
keberoxu 06 Feb 22 - 11:46 AM
GUEST 07 Feb 22 - 05:12 AM
GUEST,Guest 07 Feb 22 - 05:30 AM
GUEST,keberoxu 07 Feb 22 - 11:22 AM
Rain Dog 11 Feb 22 - 10:59 AM
GUEST,JoeG 11 Feb 22 - 12:00 PM
Thomas Stern 17 Feb 22 - 08:09 PM
keberoxu 18 Feb 22 - 07:15 PM
keberoxu 21 Feb 22 - 09:00 PM
Rain Dog 22 Feb 22 - 03:48 AM
Malcolm Storey 22 Feb 22 - 06:12 AM
Rain Dog 27 Feb 22 - 12:56 PM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum Child
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:













Subject: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP 2022
From: GUEST,Mary Katherine sans cookie
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 04:18 AM

Very sorry to report that Norma Waterson Carthy died yesterday afternoon (January 30, 2022) after a long illness. Her music lives on.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: fat B****rd
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 04:20 AM

RIP Norma.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 04:39 AM

Copied from Eliza’s Facebook page, posted a very short time ago:

“Hello all. Not much to say about such monumental sadness, but mam passed away yesterday afternoon, January 30th 2022.
Thinking of everyone who has supported and donated and just been there for us the last few weeks, the last few years, and through all of her triumphs and trials.
Our only hope is that she is with Lal and Mike and her mum and dad now, being held and welcomed and finally without pain.
More soon.
We love you Mam. Going to bring you home as soon as we can.

“Just a song at Twilight, when the lights are low
And the drifting shadows softly come and go
Though your heart be weary, sad the day and long
Still to me at twilight comes love’s sweet song
Comes love’s old sweet song”

The link to offer support to Dad is still www.ko-Fi.com/elizacarthy”

Very sad news. Thanks for the wonderful singing.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 04:41 AM

Just read the sad news myself. RIP Norma. The music will live forever


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: GUEST,JoeG
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 05:02 AM

RIP Norma


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 05:02 AM

Such sad news, even though it’s not entirely unexpected it’s still a very sad day for the Carthy family, and for our music.

If heaven exists, they’ll be having a great sing tonight. RIP wonderful lady.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 05:54 AM

Sad news.
RtS


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 06:00 AM

All the best to all her loved ones.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan.
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 06:56 AM

Fifty years ago, I visited a college friend of mine who had recently moved to Holland (to work with Phillips, but that’s another story). On his way out from home, he had bought two LPs: Frank Harte’s “Through Dublin City” and The Watersons’ “Frost and Fire”. I was blown away by both and the experience kickstarted my love of traditional song. Norma’s voice, soaring joyfully through those glorious harmonies was such a delight!

May there be stars in her crown!

Regards


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: gillymor
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 07:33 AM

I wasn't to familiar with her solo work but I loved her version of "Black Muddy River" and, of course, her singing with The Watersons. I hope she's found peace.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: rich-joy
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 07:52 AM

Ahh, not unexpected, no - but no less sad for that and there will be many, like me, where Norma (and family)'s singing has been a hugely important part of our musical growth and history.
So, sending love through the ether to Martin, Eliza and families - and thanks so much for the happy memories of the music soundtrack to our lives......

Vale, Norma.

R-J, Down Under


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: Vic Smith
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 07:56 AM

We have lost the finest singer of the many thousands that the folk revival produced. Norma Waterson's voice will be remembered by millions for the emotional power and empathy that she brought to her singing. In addition to this she was a warm-hearted kind and giving person who loved and gave a great deal to her family and her many friends and admirers in her singing and in the person she was. Great sympathy to her family for this incredibly difficult loss.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: Levana Taylor
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 07:58 AM

Such sad news. One of the most simply gripping singers I have ever heard.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 08:26 AM

Farewell Norma, and thanks for the joy of your singing. :(


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 08:47 AM

55 years ago, almost to the day, this wonderful human being asked me to sing at her folk club and from then onwards inspired all of my work, performing, collecting, writing etc. I will miss you terribly, Norma! Love to all the family. We must celebrate the tremendous legacy you leave behind.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 08:54 AM

Checking back in here after a long hiatus because I know this community will be feeling this keenly. I'm absolutely gutted; she was a lovely lady and a towering talent - her passing is an incalculable loss to her family, and to folk music. She leaves an enormous legacy, and her memory will surely be a blessing.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 09:18 AM

The best night I ever had in a Folk Club was at Ripponden Folk Club then at The Puzzle Hall Inn in Sowerby Bridge, the guests were The Watersons sans Lal who was too ill to travel, the pub was crowded due the very special guests. The only spare seats were at our table and Mike and Norma sat with us and talked with us all evening except when on stage, Martin just wandered round the pub talking to everybody as is his wont. Fantastic night, I'll remember forever. Farewell Norma, an absolutely unforgetable person and what an amazing singer.

Dave H


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 09:48 AM

RIP


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: r.padgett
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 09:50 AM

Sorry to hear this sad news ~ the Watersons were the forerunners of revival of mainly traditional song in the 1960s and 70s and of group singing
Norma was fine singer and interpreter of song and our thoughts continue with Martin and Eliza

RIP Norma

Ray


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 09:56 AM

A great loss to the folk world. My condolences to her family and friends and all those who love and miss her. She now has her place in the "In Memoriam" thread.

RIP


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: GUEST,ottery
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 10:18 AM

I've been listening to her work since I was small. Her voice looms large in my mental soundscape. So sorry for her family. She's now free of her long illness, but still, I wish she could have recovered and lived to over a hundred.

Listening to A Bunch of Thyme.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 10:20 AM

How very sad, our condolences to her family.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: GUEST,Greg F.
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 10:49 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jan/31/norma-waterson-celebrated-british-folk-singer-dies-aged-82


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: RTim
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 11:20 AM

Very Sad news - may her voice sing out for ever and be remembered and listen to...

RIP

Tim Radford


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: 2022 Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: GUEST,Marian
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 11:59 AM

Such sad news but R.I.P. Norma and condolences to her immediate family and many, many friends and admirers. Such a legacy as hers will never   be forgotten!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: 2022 Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: StephenH
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 12:01 PM

I can't express any better than others have what a tremendous loss
this is to music. But, of course, the bigger loss is felt by Martin and Eliza and family. My deepest condolences to them.

Thanks for all the years of wonderfully inspiring singing, Norma.
RIP


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: 2022 Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 12:08 PM

Thread #170862   Message #4134505

Posted By: Backwoodsman

31-Jan-22 - 05:04 AM

Thread Name: Carthy Family needs assistance

Subject: RE: Carthy Family needs assistance


From Eliza’s Page an hour ago…

”Hello all. Not much to say about such monumental sadness, but mam passed away yesterday afternoon, January 30th 2022.
    Thinking of everyone who has supported and donated and just been there for us the last few weeks, the last few years, and through all of her triumphs and trials.
    Our only hope is that she is with Lal and Mike and her mum and dad now, being held and welcomed and finally without pain.
    More soon.
We love you Mam. Going to bring you home as soon as we can.

“Just a song at Twilight, when the lights are low
And the drifting shadows softly come and go
Though your heart be weary, sad the day and long
Still to me at twilight comes love’s sweet song
Comes love’s old sweet song”

The link to offer support to Dad is still www.ko-Fi.com/elizacarthy


RIP wonderful lady.




Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: 2022 Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 12:26 PM

Sorry to hear this sad news, R I P


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: 2022 Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP
From: Felipa
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 12:26 PM

a wonderful tribute by Jude Rogers here https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jan/31/norma-waterson-was-one-of-folks-greatest-voices-and-greatest-people


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,MikeOfNorthumbria, sans cookie
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 01:12 PM

One of the true giants of folk song has left us, and we are all poorer for that loss. Nevertheless, her music will live on.

Meanwhile, our hearts go out to her family, whose loss is
far greater than ours.

With happy memories and great admiration, farewell Norma.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Acorn4
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 01:31 PM

A sad day indeed. Can't think of anyone who has contributed more to keeping folk music alive than Norma and Martin. RIP


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 01:41 PM

Such a great loss - and also a gift that at the end of her life, she was reminded in a powerful way of the love and gratitude she engendered.

Dan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 02:06 PM

Safe Home Norma, Safe Home.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: PHJim
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 03:01 PM

I only saw Norma once at Toronto's Convocation Hall, but I plan to spin some records today.
So long Norma,

Norma & Martin


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Elmore
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 04:19 PM

As others have remarked, I'm not shocked, but saddened. Condolences to her family and friends.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 07:19 PM

It's not just Al Bowlly that's in heaven it's now also 'our Norma' too.

Like so many others have written on here, we have had the wonderful experience of listening to Norma sing anywhere from Whitby to London. The Albert Hall to a small folk club in Wolverhampton. Wherever any version of The Waterson Family sang it was always obvious who took centre stage with her commanding presence on and off the stage.

Musically, she was never pigeon holed by tradition and her fine solo albums demonstrate that she would go to any length to find the right song to sing. Her knowledge and understanding of the musical history she was bound to was always a joy to listen to and to learn about.

The term National Treasure is so often lazily used these days but in this particular instance we cannot think of a more apt description. Thank you for all the pleasure and good memories you have left us with. Our thoughts are with the whole family.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 07:31 PM

Very sad news. We will miss her. RIP Norma.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: keberoxu
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 09:00 PM

Even having had years of Norma Waterson's ill health,
in which it was only a matter of time until her suffering was ended,
it hits me someplace deep and heavy that she has died.

The Watersons, with Martin Carthy, were touring in aid of
"Sound Sound Your Instruments of Joy"
when I saw them, live, in Cambridge, Massachusetts, a long time ago.

It was many years later when I discovered the fiction
of Terry Pratchett with his own fantastic way
of evangelizing and spreading the word about England's traditions.
And, regarding Pratchett's Sisters of Wyrd,
I always saw the character Nanny Ogg
(playing the banjo in the bathtub)
as a cross between Margaret Barry and Norma Waterson.

"And the larks they sang melodious ... "


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 06:17 AM

Great 60s BBC documentary on the Watersons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vrszb4w318

It's also a great portrait of the North in the 1960s. Everyone smokes and there's very little litter. Factories - remember them?

This is what they took from us.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,Ada the Cadre
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 06:17 AM

If you have not heard her voice, make time to hear it now - how lucky we are to live in an age where the voice goes on when the singer is gone. But Norma Waterson who has just died was more than one of the greatest voices in British Folk music, a member of its two most renowned families of song, and a founder of the British Folk revival in the 1950s and 60s. She knew what she was singing - and why. I am not sure if it is OK to paste you tube clips here, but listen to her talking here before singing the Moving on song. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IEnq8mYVtOM


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 06:43 AM

The documentary also features Louis Killen and Bill Leader - previously only a name on record sleeves to me.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 07:17 AM

I last saw Norma Waterson at Normafest in January 2016 at Scarborough Pavilion. Very sad news.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 07:19 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-60199744


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Gozz
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 07:46 AM

I have only had the pleasure of seeing Norma perform live once, but like so many, that was enough for her emotion, her love of the songs she sang, her sympathetic approach, her shear joy in music all to profoundly influence me.
Sending love to Eliza, Martin and all the family at this time.

Gozz


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 08:07 AM

Thanks Ada - best version of that I have heard and led me on to Death and the Lady

Interesting feature on that is that the OU logo is displayed so I assume it was part of an OU course?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 08:08 AM

Seeing and hearing the Watersons was part of my teenage introduction to, and lifelong love of, unaccompanied harmony singing and discovering the joy of improvising harmonies.

Losing Norma, the last of the siblings, is the end of an era, but it's good to hear the next generation carrying the music forward and I was glad that today's Woman's Hour on Radio 4 ended with an acknowledgment of Norma's outstanding contribution and a recording of Norma and Eliza singing "T stands for Thomas" in the BBC studio in 2007.


Kitty


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 08:15 AM

I came late to The Watersons and it was through hearing Blue Murder's rendition of I Bid You Goodnight on a Joseph Spence and the Pinder Family tribute album. It seems fitting here.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 11:14 AM

Who remains now from that generation?
Martin Carthy, of course;
and what about Lal Waterson's husband,
George Knight? Is he still with us?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 02:01 PM

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-travelling-for-a-living-1966-online Travelling for a Living


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 02:06 PM

George still very much with us and with it, and all of his family. Last we heard from John he was living in Greece but haven't heard anything for a few years.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 03:56 PM

Does a Waterson family tree exist? Not a Pete Frame one. I'm wondering how John Harrison is related, they say in the documentary he's a cousin. Mum's side or Dad's side? Anyone know his birth date? He hasn't got a Wiki that I know of.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 10:35 PM

GUEST, about John Harrison,
the only other thing that my searches can glean is that
he is referred to as a "second cousin" in some online accounts.
Even these do not say if he was related to
grandmother Eliza Ward, who raised the three Waterson siblings,
or to one of the other four grandparents.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: RTim
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 11:44 PM

Regarding John Harrison....2nd Cousin..

Norma's (and therefore of Lal & Mike) 2nd cousin..would be a Great Grand Parents - Grandson, son of a Cousin first removed. ie a relative that is quite distant...

Tim Radford


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 01:39 AM

https://www.folkradio.co.uk/2022/01/tribute-norma-waterson/


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,DAVID NUTTALL
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 05:31 AM

I was so very sorry to hear such sad news of Norma's passing. I have
been a fan of the whole family and their wonderful sounds for over 50
years . I send my sincere condolences to the family and many friends.

DAVID NUTTALL


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 04 Feb 22 - 12:51 AM

"Thank Goodness It's Folk", Sheffield's weekly folk radio show, will be running a show devoted to Norma today:

"REMEMBERING NORMA WATERSON"
Sam Hindley and James Fagan look back on the most amazing career of the most beloved singer, the dear departed Norma Waterson. It's a feast of song, from early Waterson days through to her stunning solo work and classic albums with Martin and Eliza.
Please share and please join us.
Friday, 04.02.22, 10am-noon UK time.
Worldwide: www.sheffieldlive.org/player
Sheffield: Radio 93.2FM
Later: www.mixcloud.com/jimbobfagan

(Sorry, you'll have to copy-paste the links; I've tried to make blue clickies but the blickifier doesn't seem to be working.)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 04 Feb 22 - 01:29 AM

Have managed to make the links work, so here are blue clickies for you:

https://www.sheffieldlive.org/player/

https://www.mixcloud.com/jimbobfagan (This one will not work until after the programme has aired.)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: r.padgett
Date: 04 Feb 22 - 02:38 AM

refresh


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 05 Feb 22 - 08:47 PM

Any news of the funeral?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 11:46 AM

I see that The Times has an obituary for Norma Waterson.
I cannot read it because of the paywall.

Please could some kind Mudcatter
copy that obituary to this Mudcat thread? Thanks.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 22 - 05:12 AM

try the Guardian instead- that's general advice anyway


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 07 Feb 22 - 05:30 AM

Cut and pasted from the Times

Asked to define folk music, Norma Waterson could have written a book based on her lifetime as the unrivalled matriarch of vernacular English singing. Instead, she offered a one word answer. “Stories,” she said. “Folk music is just stories about the human condition.”

When pressed, she would expand on the definition and point out that even in an age of digital miracles, we still have more in common with our forebears of centuries ago than differentiates us from them. “We’re born, we fall in love, we experience joy and pain and ultimately we all meet the same end. It’s the same cycle,” she said.

Broad Yorkshire in accent and deep in her resonant ability to interpret a lyric, she sang in a serene and unhurried voice. Once described by her husband as an “extraordinary balance of timidity and fearlessness”, she told an interviewer: “I’m basically a shy person, but when I’m singing, I don’t give a shit.”

Yet although she was revered by folk traditionalists and seen as Britain’s answer to Joan Baez, she had no time for purism. “If people say traditional music has got to be like this or like that, you may as well put it in a museum or bury it in the ground in a time capsule,” she said. “You can’t do that with tradition. You have to hope each generation brings their own thing to it, so it keeps going.”

She was a founding member of the Watersons, which became not only the first family of English folk music but also its pre-eminent pillar of traditionalism. At different times the line-up included her sister Lal, brother Mike, cousin John Harrison and husband, Martin Carthy.

ADVERTISEMENT
Singing with the family group, her warm but keening voice found a perfect fit within their rich harmonies. In her mid-fifties, however, she also emerged as a solo singer of unparalleled subtlety and interpretative nuance, whether singing 18th century ballads about jolly plough boys and lovelorn milk maids or reimagining rock songs by the likes of Elvis Costello and Billy Bragg. Songs, she said, flowed “like a river” and were therefore “timeless”. When a box set chronicling 40 years of her singing with members of her family was released in 2004, it was titled Mighty River Of Song.

She is survived by her daughter Eliza Carthy, who in turn became one of the finest English folk singers of her generation, and Carthy, the doyen of English folk guitarists, whom she married in 1972. She is also survived by a son, Tim, from her first marriage to Eddie Anderson, a jazz drummer, which ended in divorce.

Martin Carthy, Norma Waterson, Lal Waterson and Mike Waterson in the 1970s
Martin Carthy, Norma Waterson, Lal Waterson and Mike Waterson in the 1970s
REDFERNS
Eliza took great enjoyment in recounting how folk song had brought her parents together. “They’d been eyeing each other up for years, but every time there was a possible opportunity for them to get together, one or the other of them was married,” she said. “Then they found themselves in a studio, late at night, recording Red Wine and Promises and that was what did it — a midnight song about drinking wine.”

Norma Christine Waterson was born in 1939 in Hull. Her mother, Florence, played the piano and her father, Charles, guitar and banjo. On being orphaned during the war, she and her younger siblings Elaine (Lal) and Mike were brought up by Eliza Ward, their Irish maternal grandmother who came from gypsy stock. She taught them the parlour ballads, folk songs and popular music hall numbers she sang around the home and drummed into them that “a good song is a good song,” regardless of its genre or provenance.

The three siblings sang constantly at home and by the late 1950s had formed a skiffle group called the Mariners. With the addition of Harrison, they performed a cappella in Yorkshire’s clubs and pubs, mixing American and British folk songs with pop numbers.

Gradually the former took over, and by the early 1960s they had formed their own folk club called Folk Union One. Operating from the Blue Bell in Hull, the club became a powerhouse of the Yorkshire folk scene as the Watersons delved into the traditional songs and folk customs of the locality.

Their debut album, Frost and Fire, appeared in 1965. Billed as “a calendar of ritual and magic songs”, it showcased their earthy but perfectly calibrated four-part harmonies on ballads and carols associated with folk customs such as wassailing and pace-egging.

Frost and Fire was followed by further albums, including A Yorkshire Garland, which the group promoted with a string of spirited appearances in folk clubs across Britain, their beatnik look earning them the tag “the folk Beatles”.

Waterson and her husband Martin Carthy at Cambridge Folk Festival in 1999
Waterson and her husband Martin Carthy at Cambridge Folk Festival in 1999
REX FEATURES
ADVERTISEMENT
However, Norma soon developed itchy feet which she attributed to “the gypsy blood coming through” and, despite her deep love of the Yorkshire countryside, in 1968 took off for the Caribbean, where she spent four years in Montserrat, working as a radio disc jockey. On her return to Britain the Watersons reformed, with Harrison replaced by Carthy, whose ripe voice fitted readily into the group’s rough-hewn but perfectly rounded vocals. Living on a farm on the Yorkshire moors near Robin Hood’s Bay, which became a folk commune of singing aunts, uncle, cousins and other relatives, their recorded comeback, 1975’s For Pence and Spicy Ale, was voted folk album of the year by Melody Maker.

As the musical family expanded to include a new generation, Norma and Lal sang with their respective daughters, Mari Knight and Eliza Carthy, as the Waterdaughters. In the early 1990s Norma began performing as a trio with her husband and daughter, recording a string of acclaimed albums as Waterson-Carthy, which maintained the Watersons’ vocal harmonies but added instruments such as guitar and fiddle.

Norma also pursued a separate career and her debut solo recording Norma Waterson (1996) was a revelation as her voice emerged on its own with a new and rich resonance. The album almost won her the Mercury Music Prize, coming second to Pulp’s Different Class.

She was appointed MBE in 2002 for services to folk music but was more excited by the fact that the honour earned her an appearance on the front page of The Yorkshire Post, which she said had been a lifetime ambition.

Norma Waterson, MBE, folk singer, was born on August 15, 1939. She died of pneumonia on January 30, 2022, aged 82


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 07 Feb 22 - 11:22 AM

Thank you, GUEST Guest, that obit is worth reading.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 11 Feb 22 - 10:59 AM

BBC Radio 4 programme Last Word has an item on Norma Waterson. It is due to start shortly

Already up and available to listen to, is the following interview.

Norma Waterson was part of the Waterson Carthy dynasty that played a leading role in the English folk revival. Husband and daughter, Martin Carthy and Eliza Carthy, talk about Norma in an extended interview with Matthew Bannister. Martin begins by telling us about Norma’s family.

Last Word


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,JoeG
Date: 11 Feb 22 - 12:00 PM

There was an excellent tribute to Norma on BBC Radio 4 programme Last Word tonight and there is an extended 40 min interview with Martin and Eliza at the below link

Last Word tribute to Norma Waterson


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 08:09 PM

WGBH Norma Waterson appreciation

Obituaries: Norma Waterson


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Feb 22 - 07:15 PM

Forgive my presumption, but I admit
to being curious about the funeral/interment -- have heard nothing.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Feb 22 - 09:00 PM

I'm being a pest, I know.
Eliza Carthy's Twitter contains tweets --
sent AND received --
referencing Ms. Waterson Carthy's funeral, within the past week.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 22 Feb 22 - 03:48 AM

A quick search seems to reveal that the funeral service has taken place and that a video of the service will be put online in the next few days.

I am not a member of any social media sites but I assume an update will follow in due course.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Malcolm Storey
Date: 22 Feb 22 - 06:12 AM

Norma's funeral took place yesterday 21st February 2022.
A full house witnessed a very different ceremony celebrating the life of a very wonderful lady.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 27 Feb 22 - 12:56 PM

Here are details of the link to view the service


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 27 April 4:43 PM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 2022 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.