BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?

Subject: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 11:58 AM

This is one of those stories that makes you go hmmmmm...

"Democrat Wins Runoff Election in Louisiana"

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 12:01 PM

Ya gotta sign up.....

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 12:19 PM

Hee's a non-sign up version.

I note that the Republican who lost is an Indian American (not to be confused with an American Indian) which suggests that there could be another way of interpreting this result

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 12:26 PM

Well, you could be right there McGrath, which is one reason why I said it was a story that made one take pause.

However, since the male Indian American received the majority of votes in the Republican areas of Louisiana (according to the NYT story, which of course isn't necessarily accurate, and does have it's own eastern liberal intellectual spin to it), I find it more likely that the Bubba voter felt more animosity/antipathy toward a woman candidate than to an immigrant son candidate.

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 01:23 PM

Oh, McGrath? The non-signup version?

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 02:59 PM

Try google news - "Louisiana + runoff" gives you as first choice - Democrat Wins Runoff Election in Louisiana from the New York Times.

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 03:15 PM

Sheeesh. Can't we take anything at face value? It sounds like Mr. Jindal is already well recognized and established as an up and coming political figure and that this setback won't be a permanent thing. When your opponent garners 52% of the vote a loss is hardly losing by a landslide. Implying racism/jingoism seems a bit of a premature stretch.

Also note that Jindal has "close ties to the White House"- might not that be a factor in some people's distrust?

"But Ms. Blanco appealed to many voters because of her solid record of public service." That seems a valid reason to vote for her, if the other candidate does not have that kind of record.

Sheesh.

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: Gareth
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 03:22 PM

Errr ! wasn't it Loisianna that elected Huey Long ???

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 03:30 PM

Jaysus, sorry about giving a link that required a sign-up. How about this one from Reuters:

Democrat Wins Louisiana Governor's Race

Or this one from CNN:

Democrat Blanco elected Louisiana governor

And hope that at least one of them will continue to work for more than 15 minutes.

BTW, I was naive enough to believe the news of her victory was somewhat surprising because the Democrat won in an era of Republican sweeps of elections in the region! I wasn't thinking in terms of race OR gender until McGrath brought it up!

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 06:44 PM

Does this mean Bobert is moving to Louisiana?

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 07:53 PM

No, I hate crawfish and swamps... I likes it here in this Wes Ginny mountin jus fine... Though I must admit that I enjoyed palying cajun music with Greg Stevens (and Kate) when they was here...

As fir the South? Firgit it as far a votin' is concerned if yer a green or Dem... These folks woulda lectricated any lilly white Repbublican, even if he came out and said he didn't like swamps 'er crayfish, over a Dem...

Might of fact, Hrothgar, how do you feel about swamps and crawfish? Hunh? Yeah, when the chips is down... you take a pass just like me...

LIke I said, Iz stickin' on the side of this mountin until either tyhe herse comes fir my sorry butt 'er the Repubs, ahhh, piss me off to the point that I just find another country... like Alaskie...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: Cluin
Date: 16 Nov 03 - 08:53 PM

Waning?.... not as long as these guys are out there:

The Scots. (tain't near whatcha think what it is)

Check out the picture gallery.

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 17 Nov 03 - 12:09 AM

One other reason Ms Blanco may have won. She may be from a Cajun area but Blanco isn't a Cajun name. It's either Portuguese or Italian and there are a surprising number of each in the state. In the South, that kind of thing makes a difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Nov 03 - 12:21 AM

I know Bubba personally, and he's never voted in his life. He says he'd like to try it some day, but it ain't gonna happen as long as they keep holding elections during deer hunting season.

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 17 Nov 03 - 09:51 AM

Contrary to popular belief, there are a LOT of Democrats in the South. Come down here and see for yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 17 Nov 03 - 05:17 PM

Well I'm not so certain the Bubba Factor plays into anyones politics in the South. Someone who can do those blue clicky things ought to gaze through a few of the Op-Eds from this week's Washington Post. My read was one that said, "No Dem, No How in the South", another said, "Some Dems but No Dean, No How", another said, "No Dems in the South, but Some Dems in the South East" (New Mexico, Arizona, etc). I suspect that the Democrats chances to take the South (and therefore the White House) depends on the candidate they pick. Kinda like it's always been...

Remember the Souths economy has just passed California as the third largest in the world... or didn't you get that email? Bubba may or may not have a rebel flag on his pick-up (depending on which Dean you talk to), but it's a new pick-up, and he's got a steady job, and while the African-Americans still lag behind, they're ahead of blacks in any other part of the Nation.

And a bit of thread creap... The History Channels series on JFK diminishes the man to a whisper, while the LBJ tapes being played on CNN Radio on Sundays, has raised Johnson in my estimation, quite a bit. You hear Johnson, who was desparately trying to avoid a wider war in Indo-China, being sucked in with every call. When you hear a series of calls with Sen Russell of Georgia, that deal with his distrust of the military in the Tonkin Gulf incident, the problems with the JFK assassination investigation, the Dems flaying him for the Civil Rights Bill, and the predestined failure of his Great Society, you get the feeling the Presidency did kill him; it was just too much.

Oh well, back to Bubba...

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 17 Nov 03 - 05:55 PM

Good ol' boy network in the Repub Party prevails. Max Cleland, someone who actually served in the armed services got knocked out by accusations of (of all things) non-patriotism. Instead, got Chambliss who is not part of any armed service record.

Zell Miller is a closet Repub doing disservice to the Dems because
he devides and conquers with Bush.

Are these guys Bubba's? Well it depends upon where you sit.

Miller, Chambliss, Gov. Perdue all got the Bubba vote.

Dean wants that rebel flag, bless his little heart. He's courting Bubba I guess.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Nov 03 - 06:12 PM

That lady Democrat who won in Louisiana is about as conservative as any Democrat in the country...there was barely ANY philosophical difference between her and Jindal. In Louisiana, you'd better be reasonably conservative! We shall see how it plays out....

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Nov 03 - 07:34 PM

Now, I hate to admit this but my wife's three sons from North Carolina all vote Republican. They ain't Bubbas. None of 'em. Thet are all educated and seccessful but none of them is too enlightened. They are too busy to really delve into any issues and. like many soutern White folks, get their beliefs from sound bites... I can't do a thing with them because beyond their "bumper sticker" knowledge, they are terribly ill-informed... Too busy making a living, raising kids, ect., to know a danged thing. Sad, but true. Lots of southern voters are just like them...

Another thing about southern men is they like to be in the winner's circle. They'll turn their backs on sports teams, race cars and political parties in a heartbeat to be on the winning side. I saw a lot of this during my 20 years loiving in Richmond, Va.

Now, as for the rednecks in their pickup trucks? No political candidate needs to worry at all about them. They flat out don't vote! Fir real. These folks wouldn't vote unless you paid them! Then they'd probably lie about it.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: LadyJean
Date: 18 Nov 03 - 12:52 AM

It is at this point that I should mention my friend Mike, a true bubba if ever there was one, from the great state of North Carolina. Mike is a Southern Baptisth. He drives a pickup truck, and he is just about the decenest guy I know. He shares a booth every year with me and Karen, who is a Wiccan priestess at the S.C.A. Pensic war. We get along just fine thank you, and he doesn't say anything to the nice gay men who come to me for blue feathers. He is amused that I say, "darn", when a man buys a blue feather. Yeah, he does drive a pickup truck, but there's no Confederate flag on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bubba Factor Waning in the Deep South?
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 18 Nov 03 - 01:35 PM

Well, that's funny, most of my friends are Democrats. My parents and my brother are all Democrats. I used to work in a newspaper office that was 99% Democrats. I live in Tennessee.

Come visit Nashville sometime. You'll see the largest Kurdish population in the United States, and one of the fastest-growing Latino communities. Not only that, you'll see plenty of minorities owning nice homes in the suburbs, driving nice cars, and having the income to back it all up. Oh, and we do wear shoes and make use of indoor plumbing.

Maybe it just depends on what part of the South you live in/visit/read about, like feeling the elephant or something. We are not all alike down here and I resent that some of you insist on perpetuating the same old bullshit.