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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Jul 08 - 06:38 AM Fight??? Me???..Naw, its really quite simple. I'm right, your wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,lox Date: 27 Jul 08 - 04:51 PM I worked that out when I saw a statement comparing the importance of birth control with the importance for erectile dysfunction treatments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 27 Jul 08 - 03:09 PM GfS I am coming to the conclusion that you simply WANT to fight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: CarolC Date: 27 Jul 08 - 03:08 PM No, "bitch" is a term that is used by people who are trying to silence women who are articulating arguments with which they disagree. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Jul 08 - 01:29 PM ..And Carol, what is the equivalent when a woman can't carry on the conversation, with a man(God forbid), who she doesn't agree with???. I know some men just refer to them as 'bitches', however I think we can do better than that, can't we??..You tell me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 27 Jul 08 - 01:01 PM GfS Motivational theory is not "motivational speaking" motivational theory was presented to me by my business professors as a branch of psychology pertaining to the things that motivate people. here is more information on Maslow's hierarchy You have gone on at length trying to justify your behavior in this thread. You are making it much more complicated than it is. Your first post on this thread is the root of the conflict. >>I think he knows his position, but didn't know how to articulate a 'politically correct' answer, being a politician. Just another view into how these candidates want to give themselves flip flop room, do a lot of talking, but say nothing!<< The above is a mischaracterization, the problem he has in this interview is that his representative said one thing while his actions indicated the opposite. He was caught red handed and flat footed. His only two choices were to cut Fiorina loose or to act like a fool. He chose the latter. >>Note: ED is usually cause by psychological reasons, not the plumbing, unless there is very low testosterone levels. )Medical FACT, so don't reply whining about this one, too!) On the other side: Birth control,and abortions??? How about some personal responsibility??...Do we need to pay for both???<<< The above is controversial and none of the points you make are relevant to the topic at hand. You are implying that birth control and personal responsibility are not compatible. the people you are attacking are saying that birth control IS personal responsibility. This post is very close to Emma B's definition of "flame baiting." I don't think that you did it on purpose, but the women on this thread, seem to think that they are trying to pull their chain. I have tried to explain the differences in your position and theirs. I'll repeat it one more time. You are making it about morality. They are talking about equity in insurance coverage. I think the problems on this thread are mostly misunderstandings. If y'all were to back off a bit then come back and speak about the same topic, everything would be fine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: CarolC Date: 27 Jul 08 - 12:46 PM There has been no anger in any of my posts. Someone seems to have been so emotionally scarred by an angry mother that they see any response from a woman that isn't in the form of praise as being made in anger. Conversely, I myself am not living out any of the scenarios described by anyone in this thread. I was not abandoned by my son's father. Emotionally healthy men are able to have discussions in which women disagree with them without seeing or characterizing the women as being emotionally scarred or angry. Misogynists are not able to do this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Jul 08 - 11:53 AM Emma, I know you just had to SAY SOMETHING in reply..but actually, you said nothing at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: Emma B Date: 27 Jul 08 - 06:06 AM One more time..... Flame baiting is setting up a situation for you to get flamed usually on a forum. You don't actually flame, but make it hard to respond without flaming. Its setting people up on the internet so they look like the bad guy. Out of the horses mouth..... 'I haven't initiated an angry or vindictive post. That tone usually is fired up by a response! Then assumed by someone else on the same bandwagon, that I am the one doing the attacking!!!' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Jul 08 - 02:12 AM Oh Jack, Dear Jack,..you're pandering..but then, as you said, you were a 'motivational speaker'. Just what is success?..if you don't have someone to share it with?...Your husband left you young, with children to take care of?..That's a hardship in itself, not withstanding the bitterness and heartache one has to work through, while doing it??..What kind of outlook does a young man have, when he was raised by an emotionally injured mother? That of a healthy man, who could have been raised by two loving parents, with all their brothers and sisters bonded in an uncluttered way? There is no finer way, than for both parents to unselfishly dedicate their lives to that end. The problem is, when outside influences, spiritual. political, trends, agendas, and peers, attack the family, either the father, or mother, of children from sharing with each other, and living in that active family bond, then its time for someone to speak up, and raise objection to that. If you would have read many of my posts,(some in other threads), you would clearly see, that some line is taken either out of context, or the other points, raised were omitted, from being addressed, and someone, obviously living those hurts, takes exception, instead of seeing that what I'm saying, is actually rather positive, and constructive. 'To error is human, to blame it on someone e3lse, is even more human'. When someone flies off the handle at me, because I hit a nerve, it is usually an indication, that the person re-acting that way, has unresolved issues, in that area. 'We often wish to ennoble those faults we don't wish to correct'. (jeez, I'm even giving you good stuff for your 'motivational 'raps).Actually, Where I stand, comes from both an empathetic and compassionate place. I haven't initiated an angry or vindictive post. That tone usually is fired up by a response! Then assumed by someone else on the same bandwagon, that I am the one doing the attacking!!! Nobody cuts and pastes the supportive things I've said when I lift up, the wonderful things, that women do, and are in the home!!..Perhaps that's painful too..but if I post something gleaned form DECADES of extremely effective counseling, I'm not going to change my position, to stroke some soul, out there, that just doesn't get it! As far as the video, all it is, is something to consider. I was watching the hearings in the Judiciary Committee on CSPAN2 last night, and certain things are fitting like a glove. Anyway, that video is out there, and who is to say its accurate or not..but it certainly COULD be a possibility, could it not?? If it is, either in part, or all...well, we're knee deep in shit. As they said on the panel yesterday, Bush has granted the presidency so much over reaching powers, that they needed to change that before the next president takes office...and by the way, do you actually think that members on that committee, HAVEN'T seen the video??? or are aware of its contents??.watch the hearings(interesting to see where it goes, and where it doesn't).....anyway...have a great night..and BTW..I never said is was wrong for a woman to work or seek a career, but emphasized that nothing can replace the bond that a mother has with her young children, and infants, and sacrifice THAT for a career. Read it, its all there...... 1 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: Emma B Date: 26 Jul 08 - 05:38 PM Jack, you have my nomination for best riposte post of 2008 :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 26 Jul 08 - 02:10 PM I watched it long enough to be very bored by it. Then I stopped. Sorry. Is there an edited version? Is this a fair summary? The "one world government people" financed feminism to weaken the family and get more taxpayers. Is that about right? I don't really give a damn who financed it, though I find the conspiracy theory implausible. As a student of both economics and motivational theory, I would say that feminism, with the advent of birth control, would be both inevitable and spontaneous. There is little doubt that countries which have fewer children and put proportionally more resources into educating those children, have much higher standards of living. The rise of the west (The US, Canada and western Europe), of Japan, of the Asian tigers and now of India all bear this out. Also imagine the effect on world population if there were no birth control. There is also the matter of self fulfillment on Maslow's hierarchy. Though many women were perfectly happy bearing baby after baby until their bodies wore out and they died, many women, especially in today's society, are not. I know of perfectly sound family units, where the woman is the breadwinner. You don't need a dick to be a good lawyer or real estate agent. It is a waste of society's talent to have talented women, sitting at home barefoot and pregnant. The bottom line, my answer to Aaron Russo, the inventor of the bikini panty, expert on feminism, is as follows. The planet can't afford not to have birth control. With birth control, a woman, having only a child or two, is perfectly capable of contributing as much to society, as any man, especially if the man contributes his fair share of effort in raising the child. The family unit of man, woman and a child or two or three is perfectly safe as long as the man does his share. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 26 Jul 08 - 02:06 AM Surely you aren't THAT lame!! I think if you watched it, in its entirety, you'd know that is a complete misrepresentation of what the video is about....Now I'm getting the opinion that ....never mind, either watch it or don't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 26 Jul 08 - 01:14 AM What is this all about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 26 Jul 08 - 01:08 AM You want me to watch the video interview with the panty inventor nightclub owner? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 08 - 11:57 PM Sorry...forgot to post my name on the previous post |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST Date: 25 Jul 08 - 11:57 PM Jack, I was merely responding to a post that misquoted me, as I was advocating that men and women take responsibility over their own lives when it came to contraception AND Viagra. When she made an issue over her misquote of me, I fired back. Now check this out(about half way through, when it talks about the 'woman's movemen', and Rockerfeller) http://www.freedomtofacism.com/ Check the last (fifth) video play button on right toward bottom of the web page. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Jul 08 - 10:02 PM Guest, I agree that the country is going to hell in a handmaid's basket. But if we are going to rail against it and really make a difference. We need to pick our battles. That is when we say something we need to say things which are true. McCain's Spokes person was comparing men and women insured by the same company, working at similar workplaces. She was not taking aim at anybody's unit. She also was suggesting that McCain has a similar position to hers. But his voting record indicated that he liked the opposite position. When questioned about his position and awkward silence ensued. The bill before Congress in question, which McCain voted against, was in reference to whether insurance companies should be required to pay for contraception if they pay for Viagra. The questions about family units, morality, all of that did not come up until you brought it up. My opinion is, people are going to have sex. If they don't want kids, they should be required to have birth control. If a man hasn't had sex in a long time and Viagra can cure that, he has plenty of incentive to find the money for the pills. Save the insurance coverage for the heart attack he's going to have while he's on top of that hooker. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 08 - 08:38 PM Being as the family unit is being torn apart, by political agendas, maybe you're laying on something too thick, yourself! The politics in this country, should represent the people in this country..as of now, they are not. The policies set forth, have had a devastating effect, on all of us, and especially the family as well. Idealistically, I wish it were not the case..realistically it is. They build up problems, that were not problems before, the offer their 'solutions', which move us right into a larger political system..which has no care or concern toward the people.....just their own pockets...at least for a while..by then, the damage has been done! Jack, you've been 'round the block a time or two..you know darn well, what I'm talking about! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Jul 08 - 08:06 PM >>You couldn't be much more wrong than you are now In your opinion perhaps. I appreciate the compliment. But please consider that you might be laying the "morality" a bit thick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 08 - 07:59 PM Sorry Jack, You couldn't be much more wrong than you are now...though I have enjoyed many of your prior posts.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Jul 08 - 06:00 PM This link shows the real issue of this debate. Viagra vs birth control is and arbitrary distinction. The only reason we have it is because the insurance are lobbying Congress rather than dealing with the consumer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Jul 08 - 05:31 PM The insurance companies are the real "family units" in this debate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Jul 08 - 05:27 PM This issue at hand has nothing to do with The family unit. Though I'll admit that family units are involved, as are the rest of the family jewels. GfS's arguments could not be more bogus. It did no good for the ladies to point out to him that the majority of women who use birth control are married and using it to behave responsibly. Or for that matter that unmarried women using birth control are being responsible. >>Note: ED is usually cause by psychological reasons, not the plumbing, unless there is very low testosterone levels. )Medical FACT, so don't reply whining about this one, too!)<< The above is nonsensical in reference to this debate. Unless he is saying that Viagra IS prescribed for psychological problems and we should pay for that. For one thing, sugar pills are much cheaper, for another, Viagra IS prescribed for a particular "plumbing" problem. GfS seems to be trying to switch the debate from ethics to morality. The problem is that he is claiming a moral superiority that exists only in his mind. Carly Fiorina, was not compairing married, faithful men to single promiscuous women when she, McCain's representative, made that complaint. She was comparing all men to all women. At the core GfS is arguing that only men behave morally therefor they deserve to have their sexual lives subsidized by health insurance, while women do not. If you believe that men are more sexually moral than women then continue to argue with him. But don't let him foolishly claim moral high ground that no man has ever had. My opinion is that birth control is as much a health issue as ED and fairness demands equal treatment. Certainly a man with ED and a woman without contraception both have the option not to fuck. The consequences of doing without the treatment are much more serious for the woman and potentially much worse for society. The insurance companies are |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Cecil Date: 25 Jul 08 - 04:48 PM I didn't know. I guess if its repeated, you might consider that someone else isn't getting the clue! Anyway, I think what is going on in here, is clearly obvious. GfS is clearly right on, in sticking up for the family unit, and the damage that has been done to it, by the willing subscribers to ignorance! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,echo Date: 25 Jul 08 - 04:01 PM Cecil, that's lansing's line! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Cecil Date: 25 Jul 08 - 01:37 PM Gfs, I don't think she gets it. Women like that are too busy making rationalizations. I've read your posts, and hers through several threads, and she ALWAYS bitches at you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 08 - 01:06 PM yes, that was my decision to make without the need for approval from his father, since I had legal custody that was awarded to me by the court. It worked out well that way, because he didn't feel comfortable talking about stuff like that with his father. I would never teach my son that a woman who has had sex prior to marriage is damaged goods (has been "passed around"), Need I say more??? You said it all!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: CarolC Date: 25 Jul 08 - 11:58 AM I took nothing out of context. I have addressed all of the points that were made in the post in question. On the subject of my son's access to condoms... yes, that was my decision to make without the need for approval from his father, since I had legal custody that was awarded to me by the court. It worked out well that way, because he didn't feel comfortable talking about stuff like that with his father. I would never teach my son that a woman who has had sex prior to marriage is damaged goods (has been "passed around"), any more than I would teach him that he is damaged goods if he has sex prior to marriage. I taught him by example, and by telling him, that when one harms another, he or she also harms him or herself. I'm glad I did so, because he has grown up to be a very caring person with a tremendous amount of personal integrity (who has no interest in casual sex), instead of growing up to be the kind of misogynist who would say that a woman who has had sex prior to marriage has been "passed around". Having said all of that, however, I think I'll now let the troll have the thread to him or herself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 08 - 11:26 AM CarolC, At first, I was tempted, to cut and paste your post, of what I said, and then post my post of what I said, in its entirety, next to it, just to show how you take things out of context, just to be contentious, but I decided not to, though if pushed I may just do that, if you really feel like being, once again, publicly humiliated, but, personally, that is not my agenda. I thought instead, I'd use your own quote, and show you were we differ. "BTW, when my son got old enough to think about the possibility of becoming sexually active, I made sure he had some condoms." Well, that's the quote. Interesting that you said 'I' made sure..etc. I guess Dad had no say in it? When I was a young boy, about 11 or so, my mom, after my Dad, set it up, sat me down, and talked to me about the 'urges' that I was going to experience, now that my body was going to go through changes. She asked me just a simple question, that to this day had tremendous impact. "How would you feel, if you chose a girl to be with, and to share your love and life with, have a family with, be the mother of your children, Would you want a girl who was 'passed' around?" How would you feel, if you thought I was passed around?..or your sister, Patty?" Then she proceeded to explain, that if the thought wasn't a good one, to make sure that I myself wasn't the one 'passing' other girls around, messing it up, for other people, who might care, not to have theirs 'passed' around..because those girls are someone elses sister, and someday, someone's mother. She taught us boys, to have respect for ourselves, by not giving into these urges, on various subjects, and to have a value one our own lives, and the lives of others. To treat others, the way we wished to be treated, and in doing so, learn to make decisions not based on our 'in the moment 'feelings and urges', for self gratification. This, she said, would make sense to us as we grew up, more and more, and that we would some day see the wisdom in this....no matter what the criticisms of 'the crowd' said or thought. 'Right is right, if nobody is right, wrong is wrong if everybody's wrong' (used to hear that to). She was able to put herself on the line, because she knew, that we knew that she was a good and loving mom. Needless to say, she was right, and also she instilled in us a very healthy respect for women BY HER EXAMPLE! Yeah, I get replies to some of my posts, by some of the women in here, ragging on me, about how I disrespect women..etc etc..and blazzoo goof goof...Its just so much nonsense, that all I'm left with is "Jeez! What a bitter, unpleasant nag!' So, what you have taught and reinforced in your son, is follow your urges, don't get caught, or bring another inconvenience into your life, in the form of an 'unwanted' child..and by the way, when you grow up, do whatever you want, including cheating on your wife and family, because I never taught you to have the moral fabric and value system, to allow your mind to rule over your 'urges'..whenever you want them. Now, I'm sure, that you, or one of your 'liberated'(ie multiply divorced) cohorts, will take exception and fly off the handle at me..but before you do...take the moment and just reflect...think..Wouldn't you have rather have those values in your home...instead of the hopelessness of the urges, you think your son was at the mercy of?????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: CarolC Date: 24 Jul 08 - 01:02 PM I would use the term "troll" rather than flame bait, myself. But I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt until they prove they don't deserve it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: Emma B Date: 24 Jul 08 - 12:54 PM Carol - he's not worth it! Flamebaiting - 'THE MOST POPULAR MOTIVE IS THE DESIRE FOR ATTENTION AND FOR ENTERTAINMENT DERIVED AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS. Posted flamebait can provide the poster with a controlled trigger-and-response setting in which to anonymously engage in conflicts and indulge in aggressive behavior without facing the consequences that such behavior might bring in a face-to-face encounter. In other instances, flamebait may be used to reduce a forum's use by angering the forum users.' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: CarolC Date: 24 Jul 08 - 12:47 PM And by the way, being insulted by the comment that women who use birth control have low morals has nothing whatever to do with feminism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: CarolC Date: 24 Jul 08 - 12:44 PM I'm not allowed to copy past from other people's posts. But if I were allowed to, my copy paste would show that the post in question says that Hillary and Bill are liars, that women who use birth control have low morals, that we don't know whether or not oral contraceptives are safe for use long term, and that we shouldn't rely on the government for anything. It's all right there in the post for anyone to see. Calling me semi literate doesn't alter what's in the post in question. Saying that women should raise the level of their morals rather than depend on birth control, which is what the post says (it's right there for anyone to see), is hardly the same thing as saying that women who sleep around have low morals, or that people who rely on the government to pay for their birth control have low morals (something I would vehemently disagree if that had been what was said), or that men who sleep around have low morals. It only says that women should develop higher morals instead of relying on birth control. An apology is in order for this statement. If none is forthcoming, I think we will all know why. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,lansing Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:47 PM wow!!!!!!!!!!!!blew my mind |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:04 PM Sorry, had to fix the post...This time I posted my name as well..Sorry again After you click this link, go to the fifth video down, interview with Aaron Russo, talking about Rockerfeller..this was just sent to me....About half way through, he talks about the orgin of the 'woman's movement'.....Hope its an eye opener for some of the duped,..as he said he was too! http://www.freedomtofacism.com/ Just imagine,maybe I'm not so..ummmm...koo-koo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 08 - 04:13 PM ....more like the 'suggestion' that low morals, are part of expecting everyone else to carry the burden of another's responsibility...as so far as our government picking up the tab, for a personal choice, in this matter. Low responsibility in regards to promiscuous sex, just as it is the same for men, who don't care to use protection for transmitting STD's.(p.s., if you're going to quote me, in some semi-literate diatribe, use the WHOLE quote, this time). The point is, once again, for people to take responsibility, upon themselves, for their personal choices, rather than this stupid sense of 'entitlement' at everyone else's expense. What is so flipping wrong, demented, evil about that??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: CarolC Date: 23 Jul 08 - 11:31 AM No answer to my question? I guess a blanket apology to all women is in order then from the one who made the suggestion that the use of birth control by women is an indication of low morals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 08 - 04:37 AM Hey lox, Are you really a single Dad??, and if so, how old are you?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: CarolC Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:14 PM I think what I was asking was in what way does the statement that women should have higher morals relate to the idea that women shouldn't rely on the government? In what way are these two ideas connected? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,lox Date: 22 Jul 08 - 07:27 PM Could it be be a Male Female thing? Do mothers prepare daughters and fathers protect them? Are those the starting points for Men and Womens perspectives on sexual health and education? Certainly as a single dad I am aware that my first instinct may be to be overprotective, while a mothers perspective might be to empathise a bit more and to try and ensure that lines of communication remain open. High standards and High morals are not the same thing. Morality is a constraint that could add pressure and confusion to an already unhappy life experience. High standards are a natural by product of self respect. Maybe a gentle balance of Moral constraints and nurturing self esteem is in fact a more balanced perspective. Excuse my ramblings ... back to insurance companies ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: CarolC Date: 22 Jul 08 - 11:15 AM What does having high morals about one's sexual partners have to do with not depending on the government or insurance companies? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 21 Jul 08 - 10:57 PM Watch O'Reilley be a jerk |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jul 08 - 07:04 PM You both missed the point....(selective)....nor am I 'squirming my way out of anything...The thread was about McCain's comment, about insurance companies paying for birth control and evolved to the government funding of the same..My position is MEN AND WOMEN (stated repeatedly..but ignored) should not depend (or any way you want to put it) on the government funding, more than what they can do for themselves, including birth control, or Viagra. You don't believe me??...Re-read my first post on it!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: Emma B Date: 21 Jul 08 - 06:03 AM 'Flame baiting is setting up a situation for you to get flamed usually on a forum. You don't actually flame, but make it hard to respond without flaming. Its setting people up on the internet so they look like the bad guy.' 'THE MOST POPULAR MOTIVE IS THE DESIRE FOR ATTENTION AND FOR ENTERTAINMENT DERIVED AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS. Posted flamebait can provide the poster with a controlled trigger-and-response setting in which to anonymously engage in conflicts and indulge in aggressive behavior without facing the consequences that such behavior might bring in a face-to-face encounter. In other instances, flamebait may be used to reduce a forum's use by angering the forum users.' - Definitions from the internet |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: katlaughing Date: 21 Jul 08 - 12:36 AM give it up, gfs, you keep contradicting yourself and posting even more convoluted, illogical claims, i.e. you quoted yourself as saying to not DEPEND on contraception,
THEN, you "restated" that as
important distinction there in the bold type(my emphasis)
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: CarolC Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:57 PM I don't think it's possible to re-phrase one's way out of a comment like saying women should elevate our morals instead of depending on birth control. I can't imagine a more patronizing and condescending (and yes, probably misogynistic) thing to say to more than 50% of the world's population. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:37 PM Here's the quote: All the more reason for women, All the more reason for women, to not DEPEND on contraception, but to develop higher morals, and raise the bar, as to who they have sex with. Besides, the results aren't in yet, as to the alterations and or damage to women's psyche done to women, who have depended on oral contraceptions, over decades of use. Can't argue that...they just aren't in, yet. Let me re-state:All the more reason for women, to not DEPEND on government funded oral contraception...etc Sorry, I should have made it easier, the first time. (That context thing just gets some people all mixed up....) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: CarolC Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:29 PM We can read. Anyone who wants to know what was said can go back and read anything that's been posted. We were told to not rely on contraceptives, and to develop higher morals about whom we get involved with. It's right there for everyone to read. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Want to see John McCain Squirm? -Video From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:05 PM This is the part you didn't care to read, or comprehend!!!! "This Congress hasn't done squat, about anything...even to what they ran on. This Congress has an even less (14%) approval rating than Bush(27%). People, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, need to get it together, seriously, and real quick, before trusting the government to do, solve, or be able to fund anything!!! WE ALL need to take personal responsibility back into OUR own hands!!!AND THAT GOES FOR ALL OF US, including the parents, in the time and energy we give to OUR children...not just in the 'self esteem' aspect..but in the moral backbone...from which, self esteem should come from...not 'self esteem'..just for self esteem's sake." What part don't you get???????????( I even re-did it with caps, just in case you might have selective understanding, and misquoting me back to me) |
