BS: 2012 Presidential Election

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 10:37 PM

Bobbins: "It was good to see Obama step up with Dream-Lite today...."

Yeah!! It solved the unemployment problem, didn't it??...discriminated against age, and was outside his Constitutional powers.....so he passed it over to Homeland Security, as their gig!....WAY TO GO!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 08:08 PM

I watch the news with a cynical eye... It's not that it's lies... It's slants... I wnat to know what "they" want people to know... Two (at least) ways to tell any story...

It was good to see Obama step up with Dream-Lite today... It will keep Romney's people occupied for a couple days...

Other than that, as I have said... Unless Obama can figure out how to stop a dozen right winged billionaires I don't think he can win... He is being carpet bombed here in NC... It is pathetic...

E.J. Dionne has called on billionaires to level the playing field so that they won't feel as if they have to be into buying elections... Good luck, E.J....

Democracy is one the ropes and taking bid punche$...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 06:57 PM

Curious.

"I use several different sources, and have my own, as well. . . ."

I hesitate to ask, but how do you differentiate your own, as well from "several different sources?" Could you explain that a bit further?

Ouija board? Voices? Secret commuiques from the Galactic Empire?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 06:25 PM

Agreed, Don....so many people 'watch' the 'news' like an entertainment type show, therefore 'engaging' with a 'passive mind'....(not good).
Myself, I use several different sources, and have my own, as well. I do not take ANY of it at face value...as not to obey the 'command/suggestion', of limiting one's dialogue to what they are programming you to talk about!...Most of it is distraction/diversion anyway!

Regards!..and may you have a great day!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 05:26 PM

That would be nice, GfS, and in a perfect world that's the way it would be.

But when Rupert Murdock owns a string of newspapars, you're going to read what Rubert Mudock and his cronies WANT you to read. Disney Studios owns the ABC network. You're not going to hear much of anything negative about Disney or its output on the ABC nightly news.

Sure, a strongly bias source CAN sometimes report something which is absolutely, verifiably true. But--

Adage worth heeding:   before reading article, make sure brain is engaged.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 04:54 PM

Frothus: "Lately I've been discounting what people quote from the Huffington Post. Recently it's been using some of the same writers who write for the WND newsletter (World Net Daily), which is an internet rag somewhat to the right of Genghis Khan............
The Huffington Post must have recently taken a giant step to the Right—or Arianna is not minding the store."




The Huff-Post was always thought to be 'left'...but if they run an article that is reporting on stuff that is going on, behind the scenes, which exposes certain elements of what is going on...WHAT??..Now they're on the 'right'???...or are they seen as blaspheming the 'messiah'!..I commend them on reporting relevant stories that others are not! Do you recommend the 'unbiased drivel' on NBC???..or MSNBC??..Fox??.....NPR??....or whoever spins the direction that makes you deliriously dizzy??

Why not just report the 'news' the way it is, and the hell with 'Does this 'news source' lean to the right or the left....just tell me the fucking truth!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 03:45 PM

I just posted this on another thread, but it is equally germaine here, in the light of GfS' question to me as to what I thought of his link:

Lately I've been discounting what people quote from the Huffington Post. Recently it's been using some of the same writers who write for the WND newsletter (World Net Daily), which is an internet rag somewhat to the right of Genghis Khan.

WND publishes vast quantities of anti-Obama propaganda, most of which they make up themselves. They still maintain that Obama was born in Kenya—or Indonesia (they can't seem to make up their minds)—that he is a secret member of the Socialist Party, and that he is gay.

And that Obama is the Anti-Christ. And, yes, it has a fundamentalist Christian orientation.

The Huffington Post must have recently taken a giant step to the Right—or Arianna is not minding the store.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 01:10 PM

This has become another tired ninnyhammer thread.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 01:38 AM

The in-depth analyses never appear do they?
Lots of blah-blah-blah
Then excuse-excuse-excuse
Oh well, at least Cecil and lansing have disappeared.
I only stop in once every few weeks to torture the torturer(s).
My real life is way more interesting now that Mudcat has become this semi-cesspool.
And my kids' musical accomplishments have made national news (proud proud proud) so I don't need any validation.
Best wishes to all of you fact-based, compassionate and sane people who I respect.
I only stop in to see how you are faring in fighting the good fight.
Keep it up! I will support every once in a while (maybe).
TIA

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 12:49 AM

So Don...without any contentious motives, at this end, what did you think..of the last links I posted??....Just curious. I showed a couple of them to a guy who follows that stuff here..and would really be interested in your feedback.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 12 - 04:11 AM

Hey Don, in the last link that I just posted, read that last paragraph real careful..take it ALL in....it's a real eye-opener...and verifies what not only myself, but a few others have been saying all along...and BEFORE there was a 'Tea Party'!!

Cheers!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 12 - 02:18 AM

Bobert: "I watched the local and then national news on NBC this evening.."


You mean this NBC????

Maybe you should get your news from another source(s)!!!..after all, this guy just got $500,000,000,000 from Obama to start jobs in China!!
..and then you criticize 'Fox' for being biased???????????????
(even thought it is)...come to think of it, do you think they BOTH might be???

Here Don, Bobert needs translation for this..(he requested your services). This is just out.

..another spoof on you!

Happy Campaigning!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 12 - 12:32 AM

From here to Here!!!
Think it will work?????????????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jun 12 - 03:37 PM

I was thinkin' more like Bobert's!..Michelle's might just be for her personal assistants!

GfS

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jun 12 - 03:07 PM

If Romney gets in, welcome to Corporate USA. If Obama gets in, business as usual.
if Romney gets in, he'll tie another Seamus to the roof of his car.
If Obama gets in, ....................it won't matter.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 10:34 PM

Michelle's?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 09:29 PM

Well, if Obama's numbers go down any more...and they keep going down....and come election time he only gets ONE vote.....we'll know whose it was!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 07:13 PM

Yup, Greg...

I watched the local and then national news on NBC this evening... Citizens United ads from secret donors against Obama 7... One Obama ad paid for from his election committee (traceable money)

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 06:03 PM

ALRIGHT!!!...I'm all for ferreting out the truth!!!...
Now the tricky part is, that you don't try to fit it into earlier preconceptions...and just them fall where they may....AND THEN, formulate an opinion!!...not the other way around.

Regards!
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 05:58 PM

One whole helluva lot of stuff is SAID in a political campaign.

What is essential is to ferret out the TRUTH. and ignore all those cow pies covering the meadow. There are ways of doing this. And listening to Fox News or reading Bob Livingston's "Liberty Alerts" are not among the ways of ferreting out the truth.

Nor, for that matter, is truth to be found among those who avoid the obligation to think by self-righteously saying, "A pox on both their houses!" then head out for a beer.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 05:28 PM

Hmmm....sounds like Obama is under a LOT of heat, theses days....I guess some 'genius' will figure out, "Hey, maybe we should bet Hillary to run"....and then you think, "Hmmm, good idea..good ol' Hillary should have run last time...at least she's like Obama, but not as careless..she might have a shot at it, at least she's got a better chance at Romney!"
...and then some old wise fart tells you. "A vote for Hillary, would in essence, be like voting for George Bush again!!".....and of course, the old fart would be right....but what a lot of the 'so-called liberals' never flashed, was so was voting for Obama!....What's changed?
Both had the house of Congress and the Senate, and BOTH did the EXACT same thing...down to the outrageous spending spree, the wars, taxes, printing more money, bailouts...more Federal crackdowns..you tell me!!..I'm all ears...but while your typing, see if things said about Bush aren't the EXACT same things said about Obama....Hey!..I thought they were supposed to be different parties....weren't they???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 02:02 PM

Cool!.....Yourd Velcome.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 01:33 PM

Signed it. Thanks for posting that.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 11:51 AM

Greg F: "That was then - BEFORE Citizens United - and this is now."

...and so Obama gets more union money..through lumped donations....

SOO, let's help to stop it all!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 10:27 AM

Obama got MORE in large corporate donations than McCain did- check the FACTS.

True, but not so fast, Bruce. That was then - BEFORE Citizens United - and this is now.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:56 PM

Oh...well I just now got back on..but just for a moment. He an incredible session in the studio...it was inspiring!!

Oh, hmm..name....well, I'm waiting to see if there is going to be another candidate, or a third party. Problem is, unless the candidate is a well known, person, who's got their head on straight, he might just help Obama to get re-elected..if he pulls votes from the Republicans....but until a name comes up, it would be fruitless to give you one....(but I have an idea).....but I'm eagerly waiting, myself.

Now, as I was opening this, to get on, I saw a news story, about 'bounties'....well, I wouldn't be at all surprised, if a new and viable candidate were to emerge, that those, whom the article refers to as the 'perps' behind it, would be blamed for taking out, the viable candidate, to keep the 'message' from seeing the light of day....Just a thought..though god forbid anything like that would happen.

If you noticed, even the 'administration friendly' media is turning away from the love affair that they had with Obama, the first time around....even top Democrats...I would watch who those top Dems are, just so you might have an idea, as to who in the party, is really in cahoots, with the bankster/elites, who, I think, are turning against Obama.
I think they got him in....but something went awry...and by all indications, they want to 'dump him'.
Actually, ( < there's that word again), it's NOT just a guess...nor, is he doing a 'better' program....just detoured the original one, for another one, which also, does NOT have the best interest of the country at heart)...I'd LOVE to be more specific, but that could really get 'involved'..and we ain't there, yet.
Gosh, you'd think i was doing a sympathetic turn around, but I'm not...it's just that things are NOT what they appear to be!(as far as I know, and all bullshit aside, I've been pretty accurate...but when I see it in a way I can lay it down, Mudcat WILL be on top of it!!!!
.....and then someone will probably pick an argument...unnecessarily!

Take it easy,

GfS

P.S. if you hear anything, related, post it...I'll take it into consideration, and give you feedback, if I got any.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:31 PM

Seven and a half hours later and still no answer.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 03:57 PM

Well, GoofuS, I see that you have a lot of time to sit in front of your computer and search for stuff to slam Obama with. No missives from here because while you're doing that, Bobert and I are out working in the real world to save the country from the barbarians.

Sure, Obama put his foot in it. But at the same time, he tried to push through a public works funding bill to create jobs, and the response of John Boehner and the House Republicans was a resounding "When hell freezes over!!" Once again, a Republican dominated Congress works against the whole country just to keep Obama from doing anything.

What we need to do is keep Obama in, and replace a lot of Right-Wing Congress persons with Democrats. THEN we'll get the country back on track.

Certain parts of the "private sector" ARE doing quite well. It's just that they're not hiring. They're sending all the jobs to China.

GoofuS, in your campaign to get Obama to lose the election this November, who--of the viable candidates so far, including possible other candidates who may be nominated during the conventions yet to come—do you prefer?

Give me a name. You never know. You might convert me.

But give me a name.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 01:13 PM

Sounds from North Carolina and Washington State, after my last posts!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 12:27 PM

Better hurry, these are disappearing FAST!!!

ENJOY!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 11:37 AM

Obama's NDAA........Took YOU off-guard, didn't it???

..and this..but YOU thought they were talkin' 'bout somebody else!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 11:15 AM

BEFORE THERE WAS EVEN A TEA PARTY, there was THIS:
Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 09:58 PM

I must have missed something..Who is 'Chongo'? As for O-Blabbo's skills, they are only at yapping...still, tell me ONE, JUST ONE accomplishment, other than talking a good talk. Talk is cheap...(his campaign wasn't)

AND THIS:

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 10:18 AM

Well, thanks for your opinion, but it's just an opinion, and obviously from a Clinton supporter. As I've stated before, between Clinton, Obama and McCain, we have no real choice. Their pasts speak for themselves...not the wishful thinking, that they were something, or stood for something that they are not. As stated before, we need another candidate, out of the box, that represent the values that a lot of the country seems to want to compromise with,..just to elect the personality of their choice..but one who has the America that made us strong..and none of these put before us, are it.

and now we get THIS:Stereo Politicians speaking out of both sides of their mouths!


...and I'm supposed to believe YOUR NONSENSE??????????????

Save it....with the rest of the world!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 12:37 PM

OK, Obama got 1.16 votes for each 1 that McCain got.

ANd spent more PER VOTE.



"This is reality... If we can't get the BIG $$$ out of politics then this little 230 year or so old experiment is going to fail badly..."

I AGREE with this- just make sure you apply it to BOTH sides, and not just those you disagree with.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 12:27 PM

Sorry Bobert.

The facts do not back you up.

IF (note conditional) ALL the outside spending had been for McCain ( which even you cannot claim without choking on the lie) the ratio would have been 1.25 Obama to 1.0 McCain.
(325 mill vs 191 + 71 million)
And by how what percentage did Obama win by ( in popular votes?) Per vote, Obama spent a lot more- want me to get THAT number for you?

Obama got MORE in large corporate donations than McCain did- check the FACTS.

It looks like you only complain about someone buying the election when you are NOT supporting them.


http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/map/ad.spending/

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 01:20 AM

Well, if you believe Holder..................
or Obama....."And if you trust
Obama you will be convinced!

I dug him for what he was, from the beginning..
Just like in music.."Speed is a bi-product of accuracy!"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 12:31 AM

Yes!
Read read the link.
And if you trust Issa (R-California) you will be convinced.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 12:11 AM

Ok, Silly..what was he doing funneling the arms to Mexico, then..to trace them?/. You believe that????

Here...read something about it, yourself!

Try telling your silly political rationalizations to Brian Terry's family!! (Do you even know who he is??)

Bobert: Bill Clinton needs to put a little Slick Willie in Obama..."


.....or even a slightly used cigar!

'Slick Willie' happens to be sabotaging Obama's campaign..or are you aware of that?....matter of fact, quite a few Democrats are making statements discrediting the abilities of the President...are you aware of that?....but, after all, they're Democrats...they can't be wrong now, could they???

Like rats on the Titanic!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 12:04 AM

Gust is certifiable. Do not engage.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 11:33 PM

on the hidden agendas to funnel arms to the drug cartels in Mexico!

Gust, you're fucking nuts. You're all fired up just to yank people's chains.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 11:04 PM

Bill Clinton needs to put a little Slick Willie in Obama... Obama is too smart for this American electorate and shoots over their little heads... Gotta bring it way the heck down to "dull normal", Barack... That is the electorate, at best...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 10:49 PM

Now that the ideologues have made this an issue, in light of the hearings, in Washington...and they have 'spun-tied' the hearings to politically based intentions, for the elections.....Let's talk about the present hearings on 'Fast and Furious'!..on the hidden agendas to funnel arms to the drug cartels in Mexico!...and then 'spin' it, to pretend they were doing a 'noble thing'!....and Holder being considered for being charged with contempt of Congress.

Wanna' deal with it?......or pretend that it's not happening, and is just some sort of Tea Party shenanigans?

You get all fired up about the massacres in Syria, and look the other way when it comes to Mexico...and the death toll is far greater, in Mexico than Syria....and this administration, is covertly funneling guns to the murderers!...under the pretext of finding out where they are going...AND to have an excuse to fraudulently attack another one of our guaranteed rights, under the Constitution, mainly the 2nd amendment!

Can't wait to hear the SPIN on this crap!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 07:50 PM

Then, if that's the case..why all the hoop-ti-do?
Methinks it's just another whiners, 'in the moment' emotional rant!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 07:28 PM

Yo, BB... Check out the 527s... You throw them in and its more like 1.1 to 1...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 10:20 AM

That approach was tried, Bruce - and all the campaign finance laws were stillborn, killed in infancy, or vetoed by the current crop of judicial idiots infesting the Supreme Court.

Yisiree, the U.S. has the best elections money can buy.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 10:02 AM

Hey, dudes, the presidency don't go cheap. I think you need a system wherein every person over 18 in the USA is provided a dollar by the US government. That dollar is taken back and given 50/50 to the candidates. NO private or corporate donations allowed. The penalty for donating is death to the offending board members.

I'd also point out to my friend, Bobert, that 94.97% of the people who use statistics in arguments make 'em up as the go along.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 09:42 AM

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/map/ad.spending/


Obama $310 million
McCain $135 million

Not 1.1 to 1 by any means- more like 2.3 to 1...

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 09:17 AM

7 to 1 and 1.1 to 1 aren't in the same league...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 01:58 AM

Bobert: "Yup, it was 7-1...
90% of all elections are won by the candidate who spends the most money... 7 to 1 is like shooting fish in a barrel... That wasn't an election... That was an auction.."

As I just posted on another thread.....just ask our present President..or did you forget???

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.....even if you are still absorbed in your double standards!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jun 12 - 07:22 PM

Yup, it was 7-1...

90% of all elections are won by the candidate who spends the most money... 7 to 1 is like shooting fish in a barrel... That wasn't an election... That was an auction..

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jun 12 - 07:02 PM

It was 12-14 for awhile...I didn't keep track.

7 is enough....