BS: 2012 Presidential Election

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 03:02 PM

for PDQ "White People" The GOP does not speak for.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 02:47 PM

LH, You said that the 2012 US election has already been decided by some overriding "Great Party Machine." Semantics aside, that IS a conspiracy theory. A rather silly one at that. You now seem to be saying the election will be decided by voter laziness and ignorance. That, I believe, is a reality based point of view.

I am happy for your lawn.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 02:36 PM

"People vote for their special interest groups and for the people who promise them what they want."

NO! You're kidding. ;-) Yeah, of course they do. The sad thing, though, is that election promises are very rarely fulfilled, so the people are voting for a bunch of false propaganda, hopes and dreams, and it ain't gonna happen after their new "messiah" gets elected.

By the way, pdq, free, universal, and equal health care for all IS
a birthright! In any decent society, that is. That's why we have it in Canada and all over western Europe too, and in Japan as well. By "free", I mean that everyone pays for it equally out of their taxes...they all share the expense...thus spending what they can all easily afford for health insurance...and no one gets caught in an impossible financial situation when illness or accident puts them in the hospital. That IS a national birthright. To not have it established that way in a society is insane.

****

Jack, we appear once again to disagree on some minor semantic point or another. I don't mind. It doesn't cause me to lose any sleep and I hope it won't cause you to lose any either.

The lawn is now looking great.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 02:27 PM

From: pdq - PM
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 01:26 PM

There is a myth that studious, sincere Middle Class people study each candidate carefully and vote for the most qualified and capable ones.

That is pure bunk. People vote for their special interest groups and for the people who promise them what they want.

>>>The GOP in the last 6 national elections promised to cut the deficit while decreasing taxes, while not messing with Medicare. Certainly NO sincere Middle Class people studied them carefully before voting for them."<<<

95% of Blacks voted for Obama because he is Black.

>>> About the same percentage voted for Clinton. A high percentage voted for Carter and Kerry. They aren't black.<<<<

Many people believe that free health care is a birthright and they vote for Democrats.

>>> Its the Tea Party supporters that say "Take your grubby government hands off my Medicare! (certainly a lot of sincere Middle Class thought going into that sentiment.) I say that Single payer would be cheaper for everyone and equal of better Health Care for 90%. But I am an actual conservative. Not one of you CINO's.<<<

Mexicans want amnesty for their people and unlimited immigration. They also vote for Democrats.

>>> Everyone wants better immigration laws. Changes will be impossible as long as the corporations and Business people have such a big sway at the top of both parties. What the Mexican American and other Hispanics don't like it the hypocritical demonizing of their cousins by the GOP.<<<

The unions give over 97% of their political contributions to Democrats and get the government they pay for. Democrats, essentially, sit down beside unions and fight against business. They also run most goverment entities and give unions boys whatever they can. The taxpayers are the losers here.

>>>Tax payers also lose when Defense contractors, Corn companies and energy companies get no bid contracts and corporate welfare.<<<<

Republicans largely represent White folks, sincere Christians and the dwindling Middle Class.

>>>>Your bigotry really seems to shine through here. Republicans represent money, and con others into voting for them. Urban white folks are more represented by Democrats, and Black Southern Baptists and Hispanic Catholics are as sincere as any other Christians in this country and GOP "pro business" policies have done more than any other factor to erode the "Middle Class" the size of the middle class has always depended upon the number of people able to enter it from below.<<<


Probably no way a Republican can ever live in the White House again unless there is a huge re-alignment such as happened in the election of 1932.

>>>Here is the good news for you. Of course a Republican can get into the White House. All he or she has to do is con as many people as Bush did.<<<

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 02:26 PM

I dunno but I drove by and saw that Bobster had his Palin sign out for 2012 .. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: pdq
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 01:26 PM

There is a myth that studious, sincere Middle Class people study each candidate carefully and vote for the most qualified and capable ones.

That is pure bunk. People vote for their special interest groups and for the people who promise them what they want.

95% of Blacks voted for Obama because he is Black.

Many people believe that free health care is a birthright and they vote for Democrats.

Mexicans want amnesty for their people and unlimited immigration. They also vote for Democrats.

The unions give over 97% of their political contributions to Democrats and get the government they pay for. Democrats, essentially, sit down beside unions and fight against business. They also run most goverment entities and give unions boys whatever they can. The taxpayers are the losers here.

Republicans largely represent White folks, sincere Christians and the dwindling Middle Class.

Probably no way a Republican can ever live in the White House again unless there is a huge re-alignment such as happened in the election of 1932.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 01:25 PM

Oh!!!!! You don't Call!!!!!! it a conspiracy!!!! Well that makes your description of a GRAND GLOBAL ALL ENCOMPASSING CONSPIRACY perfectly OK.

I think your lawn may be a conspiracy cooked up between Black and Decker and Miracle Grow. Certainly, in today's economy, growing grass makes the rich richer!

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 01:19 PM

I don't call it a "conspiracy". That's just melodramatic. I call it a way of doing business. They are simply doing business in the usual way they are accustomed to, and that involves financing political parties, influencing elections and legislation, and seeing that the business and banking elite's interests are well served. It's not just an American phenomenon, it happens everywhere. It's not a conspiracy, it's a way of life that has built up over the last few hundreds of years. The richest people run the show. It's worse in some countries than it is in the USA. In Mexico, for example, there are probably about 20 or 30 very rich families that basically run the country and own most of it too. They ensure that every government serves their interests, and their interests are not those of the general public, needless to say.

If a president were to attempt to genuinely confront the business elite and radically reverse what has been happening for a very long time now, I wouldn't want to be his life insurance provider.

Anway, I'm gonna go cut the lawn now. I need the exercise. And it's a matter that is within my real circle of power, right? ;-) What we're talking about here is not.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 01:05 PM

Whenever I encounter one of these "grand puppeteer" conspiracies that span many years and thousands of individuals, I think back to my own experience. How difficult it was for my own father to get me to do little things that he and conventional wisdom thought was good for me.

I think that all theories of government can be boiled down to two truisms, "Money Talks" and "most individuals are lazy." The corporations and rich people certainly have too much influence. But it is our fault. And your delusion that it is some grand conspiracy is not helping.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 01:04 PM

Yes, I can! And I shall. I am about to go outside and mow the lawn. ;-) And later today I shall visit a friend to take a look at a one-of-a-kind custom Martin guitar that he tracked down in Toronto. Following that, I shall jam with other musical friends at the Tuesday night gathering, and then I shall perhaps compose a new Shane adventure to titillate the masses.

It's a full life. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 01:01 PM

I wish you would cease from trying to disillusion us, the poor hypnotized adherents to a democratic republicanism gone awry. Your Olympian revelations bring no comfort, no genuine insight, no help of any kind for the sake of long-embattled humanity. Can't you do something more constructive?

A

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 12:30 PM

Thanks, eh? ;-D I think there are times when the manipulators and financiers who run the big Election Show don't really give a damn which figurehead/puppet wins...or even times when they are split amongst themselves as to which figurehead/puppet would be preferable to advance their interests. That's when it gets "interesting".

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 12:21 PM

Such penetrating logic LH! When it is not close it it "fixed" when it isn't it is "interesting."

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 12:14 PM

The great party machine has probably already decided that Obama will win the next election, so the charade of finding a Republican challenger to face off against him is just a question of picking a sacrificial lamb to go through the motions at the polls and keep the Great Game going in its usual farcical (and very costly) fashion. It MUST be done, otherwise the American public might stop believing they have a choice! They might stop believing they live in a real democracy! And that could lead to widespread anger...perhaps even revolution.

So a chump must be found to lose for the Republicans in 2012. And one SHALL be found! Just like McCain was found in 2008, and Michael Dukakis was found back in....you remember? Well, awhile back it was...

There are times for a Republican sacrificial candidate and times for a Democratic sacrificial candidate, and I predict that it's the Republicans who are in line for the sacrifice this time.

There are other times when either party has a fair chance of winning the big charade. Those times are a bit more interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 11:36 AM

I think "Foxwashed" is a brilliant addition to the national vocabulary, Jack, many thanks.

As for 2012, the Republican Party is scrambling and scraping thehustings looking for someone who can rub two sentences together without looking foolish. So far, not much luck although there are a couple of outliers who would possibly provide a few soundbites.

The only issue Oba,a really faces is all the bullshit that has been pumped into the blogosdphere about him and about his proposals. The bitter invective and counter-productive rhetoric which has been the sole commodity in trade of the righties is dismaying in its thick, odiferous, carcinogenic recklessness.


A

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 11:21 PM

I guess we will see about that Greg, If Ryan's plan is not stopped by nervous RINOs

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 05:35 PM

I don't know if even staunch Foxwashed people like DougR can vote for a plan to make Medicare a voucher program...

Doug? Sure he can! and I'm sure he will.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 03:43 PM

John P.

You have a point. But I personally know a Palin Supporter or two. They are simply way more interested in attacking "Liberals" than in seeing the country well governed. In fact many want to see the government fail and be replaced with, well.... nothing.

>>>>>These same people complain about the weakness of the dollar and the relative strength of the Chinese. They don't seem to see a connection. These people are the "base" of the Republican Party. <<<<<<

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 03:35 PM

The election will not be a referendum on Obama alone. It will be a referendum on Ryan's budget. By moving to the Middle Obama has pushed the entire GOP caucus to the extreme right. How has he done it? By giving ground and forcing them either to agree to their own moderate plans or continuing to try to flush the economy down the toilet so that they can make Obama look bad to win in 2012.

I don't know if even staunch Foxwashed people like DougR can vote for a plan to make Medicare a voucher program with strict financial limits. I might have some respect for Doug if he does. But I suspect all of his backbone and principle is in his talk and that he won't back it with his vote if his own wallet is targeted by corporatist cuts. I saw an ad from AARP today, condemning GOP proposals. If the GOP loses any perceptible percentage of the over 60 vote, the tide could turn heavily back to the Democrats in 2012.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 08:35 AM

I am thinking about how some of the prominent Republicans like to tout their CEO experience, and how they "made money."

Nevermind that his health care plan was somewhat the blueprint for Obama's, does anyone know how Romney "made" his money? Well, his investment company bought companies, stripped them of tens or hundreds of employees, and then sold off the scraps.

And I wonder how Herman Cain treats his employees. I would not guess that he pays them above-average wages or gives them "liberal" employee benefits packages. Oh, and he thinks that the founding documents of this country are too long--he says legislation should not be more than three pages.

Not that Obama has any terrific record to run on. His biggest hope is that he can point to "the other side" and say, "Look at how bad it could be."

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 14 Jun 11 - 09:08 PM

From Andy Borowitz, yet again...

* * * * * * * *
        
June 14, 2011
Viewer Poll on Republican Debate: 25% Undecided, 75% Unconscious
Worrisome News for GOP Field

NEW HAMPSHIRE (The Borowitz Report) – In what could spell trouble for the current field of GOP presidential candidates, a poll of likely voters who saw last night's Republican debate found that 25% of viewers were undecided while 75% were unconscious.

Additionally, over half of respondents agreed with the statement, "This field of candidates comes dangerously close to qualifying as a prank."

Despite this somewhat tepid response, the debate did have its moments of excitement, such as Rep. Michele Bachmann's official announcement of her candidacy: "I wanted to declare my candidacy here in New Hampshire, the home of the Boston Tea Party."

Rep. Bachmann received high marks in the poll from voters who said they found former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin "too cerebral."

While Gov. Palin is not yet an official candidate, she told reporters today, "If I do decide to run, I'm gonna come ridin' in like Paul Revere at the Alamo."

Another potential candidate, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, offered this statement: "At this time, I can't decide whether to run for President of the US or secede from the US and become President of Texas."

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney made the most headlines last night by offering voters this guarantee: "I will never get involved in a scandal like Weinergate because Mattel did not give me genitals."

Answering a question about the mass defection of his campaign staff, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said, "They all simultaneously realized I was a douche."

Finally, by a wide margin, the poll showed that the biggest winners of the GOP debate were the people who didn't watch.

* * * * * * * *

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: John P
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 06:57 PM

I've started to think that Palin and Trump are purposeful ruses by the Republican Party. After them, any other far right crazy will seem positively sane, even a Tea Party person.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 04:39 PM

Historical note:

When FDR came into office in the midst of the Depression (Wall Street had gone berserk, people jumping out office windows, banks were failing right and left, and the unemployment rate was at 25%), he lassoed and hog-tied the miscreants who had brought the country to its knees by starting the Securities and Exchange Commission to oversee Wall Street, bringing a quick halt to the multitudes of ongoing Ponzi schemes, stepped on the necks of the bankers, not by giving them massive bail-outs, but by initiating the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation so that if the banks failed again through another attack of stupidity and greed, the depositors would not lose their money—and he instituted a number of agencies such as the Works Projects Administration and the Civilian Conservation Corps to put people directly back to work, on needed infrastructure such as roads, bridges, national park preservation and improvement, and big projects such as power dams (TVA). These so-called (by the Republicans) "make-work" jobs accomplished a great deal. As said, the infrastructure was much needed, and it gave paychecks to the very people (the previously unemployed) who HAD to turn around and spend it right away on such things as food and rent, thus returning it to the economy immediately.

Deficit spending? Yes, in a VERY big way. BUT—it ended the Depression, put the economy on an even keel, and started paying down the deficit.

Conservatives hated Roosevelt's guts because THEIR orgy was over, and they couldn't say enough bad about him. And they're still doing it, some even trying to claim that he ended the Depression by getting us into World War II. Not so! The Depression was over well before December 7, 1941.

Yes, Conservatives hated him. And STILL do. But the people loved him, because he wasn't just making a lot of promises, he was actually, tangibly helping them, AND the whole country. They voted him back into office for three more terms.

Which, after Roosevelt died in office during his fourth term, prompted the Republicans to enter a bill limiting presidential terms to no more than two. (Which, perhaps, was not a bad idea; consider the possibility of, say, George W. Bush for four terms!!)

Reagan managed to fulfill a longtime dream of the Republicans, Conservatives, Right-Wingers, and Ayn Randers by dismantling all the regulatory agencies that FDR instituted, such as the Securities and Exchange Commission and others that oversaw Wall Street's machinations and kept the economy pretty well on track until the last decade or so.

And look where it finally got us!

Mr. Roosevelt, we need you again.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 01:06 PM

Yesterday, Stringsinger said: "
In short, I don't think it really matters who is elected."

I am afraid I have to disagree. If ANY of the current crop of conservatives angling for the job were elected, you'd see wild attempts to run the country by vague slogans and appeals to fundamentalist "Christian values"...which means trampling of what rights we still have.

The presidency needs a human being who is educated, who 'thinks' and is versed in history and political theory... not just a Reaganite wannabe.

Much of the awkwardness this country finds itself in right now is directly traceable to the idiocy that went on under Bush... from stupid wars to the appointment of right-wing ideologues to the Supreme court to environmental disasters to deregulation of Wall Street and big business.....and more.

Much of Obama's 1st 2 years has been trying to UNdig some of the holes the previous administration got us into! And there is simply no way to do that easily, especially with no control of the House, and no 60% voting majority in the Senate.
The president does NOT just go out and 'create jobs', when big business is trying to boost profits by allowing more jobs to go overseas and laying off everyone it 'thinks' it can do without. Look at history...when FDR tried to end 'excessive spending' too early in 1937, prompting a sudden backsliding of the economy.

I simply don't see how the Republicans can keep selling "spending cuts" as a panacea when they blindly resist any plan to "increase income" by getting companies and the wealthy to **pay their fair share**.....I know WHY they do it: because their campaign contributions come FROM those sources.

Elect 'anyone' in 2012? Does the phrase "Cutting off your nose to spite your face" ring any bells?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 12:39 PM

A song to enjoy:


Sarah Palin's Magical History Tour

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: MarkS
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 11:05 AM

Actually Paul Revere did warn the British after a fashon. He was captured by them and in conversations with their officer in charge he tried to let them know that if they came after the colonials they were biting off more than they might care to chew.
His predictions were born out after Concord and Lexington during the following days.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 12:00 AM

I'm currently reading a biography of Obama's mother. I had no idea there was such a wealth of information on her or that she achieved as much in Indonesia as she did. It appears that the acorn didn't fall far from the tree. Interesting book.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 09:11 PM

The system all but requires that any 1st term president play "safe"... Obama has played as safe as he possibly can...

There is no guarantee that Obama wants to be remembered as one of the great presidents but he's smarter than anyone in "this room" (Mudpit) and a betting man would have to assume that he'd "kick out the jambs" is he is re-elected...

One thing is fir sure and that is there in no one out there who has shown any motivation but continue failed policies...

BTW, not politically advisable at this point in time for even God hisself would be to promote a "National Infrastructure Program" similar to what FDR did in the 30s but it would be a win-win if he could get it thru Congress... It would put the country on a sounder footing to compete in this century and cut the heck out of unemployment...

Would it add to the deficit??? Yeah, it would... You don't pay off yer credit cards when you are unemployed... That is the Republican plan... Not based on any economic theory known to real economists... Yes, the Repubs rounded up the same 100 flat earther economists that say that global warming has nothing to do with out burning everything burnable but reality is that stupid people say stupid things...

Time for the intelligent people to have a bigger voice and let flat earthers go back to what they do best and is most enjoyable to them and that is sit in stands of some dumb race track watching other people drive cars in circles... Big whoop...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 08:47 PM

You think Obama will do any of that? I sure don't. I hope to be agreeably surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 06:52 PM

With a second term there is an opportunity to do those progressive policies that can sae the economy and infrastructure, even if by presidential order alone. Those things are the ones that the filthy rich have feared from the begining. Things like paying taxes, any taxes. Things like nationalizing banks that attack consumers and the United States with their cheats and scams. Things like corrupt election laws and funding. Things like ending two or even three wars.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 05:23 PM

999... there you Q-beckers go again... doin things right. I swear, I am movin in when it comes time. Save a seat for me under the apple tree eh?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 03:43 PM

A TrumPaline 2012 ticket sure would give a good bounce to the tea party.

boing boing

Anthoney Weiner aka Hand Solo, should throw his full support to Trump and Palin
or Romney, whoever clinches first.


Psychologists claim that the sphincter factor is a real and important psychological indicator of a person's reaction to the words ideas and appearence of political candidates. When sensors were place in the aformentioned region, a continuous readout of an audience member can be anal ized.

These sensors have been used mostly by Republican think tank researchers. So if you are wondering why republicans act as if they have a stick up their...

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 03:31 PM

The way I see it, whether Obama gets in or not, the country is in trouble. Obama would have to do a one-hundred-eighty to get us out of the economic and political mess we're in. Obama has to have his billion to get re-elected and who is he going to get it from? (The initials are W-a-l-l S-t-r-e-e-t.)

The prognosis is that we will remain as a country into four wars, maybe more by the time the decade is over. This will bleed our economy further.

Unions will still be struggling for a voice.

Single-Payer insurance could have solved a lot of our health care problems but the insurance companies still remain in control.

Elizabeth Warren has been denied her central idea to help the consumer.

Jingoism and the fall-out of the Patriot Act will diminish our democratic freedoms.

Law enforcement has taken the side of Obama's dictatorial presidential powers.

In short, I don't think it really matters who is elected. It could change if Obama could become (not likely) an FDR president, acknowledge the new Depression, institute a WPA and a CCC, get another Ferdinand Pecora (Elizabeth Warren) to go after the corporations that do control the government today, put the kibosh on nuclear power, the Military Industrial Complex, the oxymoronic "Clean Coal",
gas "fracking" and support vigorous alternative energy sources and the idea that anyone's vote is going to help this along looks bleak.

When things get bad enough, we can hope that Americans and the rest of the world will rise up with people power, not corporate power.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 03:04 PM

While Paul Revere most certainly did not yell "the Americans are COming", while Americans were still in bed, ringing a bell and shooting his rifle warning the British that they will not take away our 2nd ammendment rights regardind our guns...

He did warn others to spread the warning that the British Fleet were near the harbor.

The midnight ride of Paul Revere was made by Isreal Bissel who rode nearly 400 miles spreading the word the British warships had arrived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 11 - 02:53 PM

Saul Goldie, Sure Palin makes things up as she goes along but that is a persoanlity and neurological problem stemming from vanity and dyslexia.

To be fair she did do a great deal of good in freeing Alaska from the economic death grip of oil companies. She actually got laws passed that forced oil companies to contribute to Alaska and have to bow to the authority of State Government for a change.
This is unrefeudiateable.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 11:16 PM

The province of Quebec (Canada) will bring in legislation that is as follows:

"Fines for illegal donations would skyrocket
Under the proposed changes, only individuals would be allowed to make a donation of $1,000 or less. All donations would have to be made by cheque and declared by the donor.

Donations by corporations and unions would be illegal.

Any individual caught giving more money or otherwise violating the law would face fines ranging from $5,000 to $20,000.

Corporations or unions caught giving an [sic} donation could be slapped would [sic] a fine of $50,000 to $200,000.

The government would also refuse to give public contracts to any company caught making an illegal donation for a minimum of three years.

The measures would apply to both municipal and provincial levels of government. School boards would also be included."

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 10:45 PM

Face it, the only real threat to the re-election of the incumbent, Mr Obama, is the ever-increasing popularity of Chongo Chimp and the APP. I suspect, though, that the corporate sector's deep suspicions about Chongo's probable lack of cooperation with their desired objectives will place major impediments in the way of his securing sufficient funding in 2012. How Chongo plans to combat this is hard to say...

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 05:13 PM

Department of useless information, from CNN today.

Republicans polled, and of the prospects, 21% prefer Romney and 17% Pain er- Palin, others minute percentages.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 12:52 PM

"They seem to have utter disdain for "me" as an earnest and serious voter, and only have their own selfish interests at heart."

WHAT???????????? How dare you even THINK something so utterly SHOCKING and UNEXPECTED about our beloved public servants!   ;-) Ha! Oh, I get it...you were being funny, right?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 12:48 PM

That was the old-line Republican voter, Saul. The current crop are impervious to embarrasssment, however idiotic the candidate.

Welcome to the New World Order.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 09:42 AM

You know, if I were a potential voter in the Republican primary, I would feel mighty offended at the virtual parade of so-called candidates who are only "in it" for their own self-aggrandizement. They seem to have utter disdain for "me" as an earnest and serious voter, and only have their own selfish interests at heart.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 02:06 PM

And as if on cue...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/06/10/137101464/sarahs-choice-email-dump-will-add-to-doubt-that-she-will-run?sc=nl&

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: gnu
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 01:24 PM

Wesley... HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA! THANKS!!!

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 01:09 PM

Perhaps Palin and Trump were discussing running together when they had pizza for lunch the other day.

"Palin/Trump in 2012". It has a ring to it.

Maybe the Mayens knew what they were talking about....


Too funny for words:

Jon Stewart on the Pizza Summit

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 12:36 PM

Hard to choose which is the worse moron: Palin or Trump.

Or, the people that beiieve them.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 12:16 PM

Wow. ;-) An amazing summation by Ms Palin.

Everyone was armed in those days. You have to be armed when you're living on the frontier where Indian raids are a constant possibility. The British were not intent on disarming colonists, technically speaking, they were intent on preventing civil insurrection against the Crown. It wasn't a question of disarming an armed populace, it was a question of persuading them not to use those arms against colonial rule.

"we were gonna be secure" There is no way to make terminally insecure people feel secure! ;-)

As for the usual bullshit about being "free"...God, I get tired of that...ALL people wish to be free to do exactly what it is that THEY want to do, and in the way THEY are accustomed to doing it. This is true of Americans, British, Arabs, Dutch, Japanese, Russians, Mormons, Hippies, Hell's Angels, Lakota Indians....everyone! They all want to be free to do things their way. They all resent someone else interfering with their freedom to do things their way. The American colonists did not invent "freedom", and the USA is not the exclusive originator or guardian of freedom and never has been.

So, Sarah... "Take off, eh?" (Canadian humorous expression)

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Jun 11 - 07:29 AM

I don't think Sarah Palin will run - but here's why I hope she does:


Sarah on Paul Reveres Ride

Former Alaskan Gov. and Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin visited Paul Revere's house in Boston on Thursday, and afterwards she gave her take on his famous ride.

"He who warned the British that they weren't going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were gonna be secure, and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed," Palin said.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jun 11 - 09:51 PM

Chongo is also well informed. He knows that it was not Patrick Henry who defiantly said to the British, "Give me convenience or give me death!" That expression came later in American history, sometime during the 1950s, and it is now the defining motto and sworn credo of present day American "civilization". If you don't believe me, just note how the average American acts when delayed in traffic or when he finds out that the neighborhood donut shop is all out of his favorite variety of sugar-glazed, cream-filled jelly donuts with candy sprinkles on top!!!! (Heh!)

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jun 11 - 09:26 PM

Chongo Chimp is not a Mormon. Vote Chongo in 2012.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: olddude
Date: 03 Jun 11 - 09:18 PM

I heard on the news tonight Palin was in Boston and when she was asked about Paul Revere she said "and the bell were ringing and ringing and he was riding to tell the red coats not to come" LOL ... ahhh Ok Sarah
is this the revisionist version of history LOL