BS: The US lunatic right

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: number 6
Date: 15 Mar 12 - 09:44 PM

rednecks

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Mar 12 - 05:10 PM

That video clip does some injustice to the people of Mississippi.

But not much. And then there's Alabama....

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: frogprince
Date: 15 Mar 12 - 01:38 PM

Try it this way:

Black residents of Mississippi, 2010, 13.8 infant deaths/1000.

Botswana, a predominently black country, 11.76/1000, with estimate for 2011 of 10.51/1000.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Mar 12 - 04:56 AM

Mississippi 2011 infant death rate 9.6 per thousand, down from 10.0 the previous year. See here: http://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/resources/4619.pdf

Botswana 11.14 see here: http://www.indexmundi.com/botswana/infant_mortality_rate.html

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 08:45 PM

I guess reading for accuracy is more difficult if you have to look far away down your nose...............


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 07:46 PM

You are proud that the child death rate in Mississippi is comparable to if not higher than Botswana?

And you want to extend the Mississippi rate to the whole of the USA?

See what I mean about lunatic right?

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 02:28 PM

This thread has left the tracks, as the left loonies add their remarks.
Child mortality has nothing to do with the subject. But these figures on the net:

Deaths/100,000, age to 14 years
Mississippi- 29
Massachusetts- 11
U. S. -18

Botswana- 47.7/ 1000, to age 5. or 4770/100,000
The figure would be higher if extended to age 14.

Mississippi worse than Botswana?

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 11:53 AM

"US elderly care is almost wholly available only on payment."


Perhaps I misunderstood you. Are you saying that in the US, elderly care is not 'free', as in pre-paid? As you know, we have a different system here from what you have in the UK. I hope one day that we will have single-payer health care but we don't have it as yet.

We do have Medicare for all, Medicaid that is income-based, and General Welfare for the indigent.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 04:25 AM

The US government largely (not completely) observes the constitutional requirement not to restrain freedom of speech. But the instances of people being discriminated against for legitimate freedom of expression are too many to ignore. Remember, for example, the school bus driver who flipped the Shrub the bird? There is virtually no effective media voice in the US even for what the US calls left wing (which is right wing by most other countries' standards).

There may be some good state schools in poor areas of the US - but the general picture is reportedly as I have stated.

It is, quite simply, a fact what profit hunting is doing to the US environment, and the EPA is being filleted and disempowered.

The US discrepancies between exit polls and announced results are too large to be brushed aside.

Even here on the Mudcat we read of the experiences of those rendered homeless by vast fires - and who apparently receive no state help.

US elderly care is almost wholly available only on payment. Mostly to not for profit organisations, but still for payment.   US healthcare is the world's leading model of getting only what you pay for. Here's some hands-on experience of US disability care   http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ouch/2011/08/laurence_clark_compares_uk_and.html

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 11:36 PM

But, see, Richard. I don't agree with you. I think your brush is both too wide and too narrow.

4. Speech is free and the media varied US fail. While there are some limited left of centre print media voices, USTV is mostly very right wing. UK also fails but not so badly. The worst villain of the piece in both cases is Rupert Murdoch. The question is: Is speech free and the media varied? I say it is. In the US, I don't know anyone who is afraid to speak his/her mind. That, of course, does not extend to all scenarios. For instance, if you object to an individual's being arrested, if you are smart you know that it is not a good time to mouth off to the cops. Is media varied? Yes. There may be a preponderance of non-liberal reporting or venues (although the conservative doesn't see it that way) but I contend that the liberal is NOT always right- and I count myself as liberal -' as I once wrote in a song: "The good man's not always right nor the bad one always wrong." More to the point, the conservative, per se, is not automatically bad.    

11. . Education of children is universal, free and secular.US fail. Despite bussing from long back, the free education in less favoured areas is abysmal and condemns children to failure. That ain't necessarily so. That is a broad and biased and uninformed opinion. . US university is a long way from free. You said, "children." UK also fails but not so badly. Both have private schools for the wealthy that create vast advantage based on wealth (and UK builds religion into schools too)In the US too, many 'wealthy private schools' are religious schools. One has the option of not sending one's children to them. And that is freedom..

12. Other species are respected, valued and protected. I don't agree with you on this at all. Besides which I think that presenting Palin as an exemplar of such thinking is silly. US fail. There is lip service to preserving the gene pool and some good records (eg the reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone, something the UK has not yet achieved in Scotland, and reasonably successful management of bison) the trend over the recent-ish past has been to demolish environmental protection with Sarah Palin a leading troglodyte in this respect. UK does fairly well largely thanks to EU regulation (and for example protects bats far more vigorously) but moves are afoot in the further right parts of our illegitimate government to water down environment and species protection. Bees are a disaster area for both.

13.3. Everyone secretly votes, every vote is openly counted independent of government. I have no doubt but that certain regions in the US have tainted elections- but see, I think that because I have no experience with it. My experience is quite different; I fail to see why you think you know better. Both fail. The US vote counting is clearly flawed - eg the Bush election, ballot stuffing is widely suspected, and electronic voting is under considerable and possibly justified criticism. UK vote counting is almost certainly wholly honest, but the Electoral Commission is under government control.

18.. Natural disasters bring massive state support for the hurt and homeless and helpless. This contention is silly. New Orleans was noteworthy because it failed so spectacularly. US fail. Remember New Orleans? UK - not all that bad.

19.The old, the sick, the disabled, are cared for. Frankly,my dear,you don't know what you are talking about. US fail. Only a limited proportion of the old get satisfactory (important word) funding support and as far as I know there is no state provision of homes for the elderly. UK marginally better although the state old age pension is inadequate and the limited range of state run elderly homes largely abysmal.

24.The balance between life at work and life at home is a healthy one. Sheesh. Both total fail. US is a total disaster for worker protection so there is in fact no protection from excessive management demands. UK is heading down the path of zero-hour contracts. At a higher level both demand 16 hour working hour days from, say, lawyers and the "lunch is for wimps" culture is still there. The UK has the longest working week and least protection from excessive working hours in Europe and the US is worse.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 11:00 PM

Possibly the greatest problem with our US political system is the violation of the one thing (maybe the only thing) that Plato got right in The Republic.

He said something to the effect that "governing should not be easy or fun or profitable." Those who govern should have to do it because they believe it's their responsibility to do so and not for their own pleasure and profit.

We've pretty much blown that one.

John

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:11 PM

I repeat: Mississipi - the poorest state in the union and with death rates for children on about a par with Botswana. And Santorum wants the rest of the USA to be like that.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 05:23 PM

Separate in intimate social relationships, but accepted in business and government, by no means is confined to the southern states; the attitude is common in Canada as well as the States, and by many is extended to the First Nations peoples.

Bill D is close to the mark; Southern cities are gaining Black administrative and service (police, fire, civil servant) personnel and there is cooperation, but close interpersonal relationships are the exception.

Religion is a factor, varied across the South but in central Georgia Catholics are mostly socially separate from Protestants, but both would support candidates who would bring more religion into government- hence the attraction of Santorum, who is avowedly against the separation of church and state.

Unspoken predjudice with regard to both race and religion in close relationships is a fact of life in North America (as it is in many parts of the world); it is closer to the surface in the South, but is not confined to that region.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 11:00 AM

a comment on:
"That video clip does some injustice to the people of Mississippi."

The point of that clip is that it wasn't hard to find those images and opinions in Mississippi!.

There are, of course, many who do NOT think that way or use religion & prejudice to guide their every decision....but in Mississippi, as in many other parts of the South, moderates & liberals do not say too much openly! Even in areas where the poverty & ignorance are not so noticable, there is a clear undercurrent of those basic attitudes. Many of those who fought civil rights tooth & nail are still alive & kicking, and their children and grandchildren were often raised to hate...not just dislike....hate... 'liberals' and racial minorities. In this day of mass media, many southerners have learned to temper their public speech & writings, replacing overt racism & threats with coded language.

If you go to the South and visit with 'average' people about neutral stuff, like food & cars & hunting & kids & music...etc., you will find good, friendly, helpful, interesting folk. But unless you KNOW to whom you are speaking, it is wise to be careful about bringing up politics and race and The Civil War.... and Obama.
Moderate to liberal folks can express themselves IN the voting booth, but many will not admit to their neighbors who they voted for.

It will take many years for this basic attitude to change much.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 10:53 AM

There is much in that, Shimmers.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 09:03 AM

"For reasons that most of us can't fathom, they believe that they will somehow get a better shake from the Republicans."

In the UK I believe that people vote for the Tories (i.e. the Right Wing Conservative Party) because they believe that that party is more likely to 'punish' those people who are perceived to be of a 'lower social status' than them. Pick a random person off the street and attempt to discuss politics with him/her and you will probably get a diatribe about "benefits cheats" and "social security scroungers" or, occasionally, "immigrants who are stealing our jobs/country". Of course, a lot of this rhetoric comes from the right wing press, but those unscrupulous bastards know exactly which 'buttons' to press!

I'm amazed that there has been so much "banker bashing" lately (things must be much, much worse than we have been told!). The average 'benefits cheats' obsessive is usually perfectly content to allow the 'high ups' get away with anything they like!

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 05:02 AM

Ebbie.

4. US fail. While there are some limited left of centre print media voices, USTV is mostly very right wing. UK also fails but not so badly. The worst villain of the piece in both cases is Rupert Murdoch.

11. US fail. Despite bussing from long back, the free education in less favoured areas is abysmal and condemns children to failure. US university is a long way from free. UK also fails but not so badly. Both have private schools for the wealthy that create vast advantage based on wealth (and UK builds religion into schools too)

12. US fail. There is lip service to preserving the gene pool and some good records (eg the reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone, something the UK has not yet achieved in Scotland, and reasonably successful management of bison) the trend over the recent-ish past has been to demolish environmental protection with Sarah Palin a leading troglodyte in this respect. UK does fairly well largely thanks to EU regulation (and for example protects bats far more vigorously) but moves are afoot in the further right parts of our illegitimate government to water down environment and species protection. Bees are a disaster area for both.

13. Both fail. The US vote counting is clearly flawed - eg the Bush election, ballot stuffing is widely suspected, and electronic voting is under considerable and possibly justified criticism. UK vote counting is almost certainly wholly honest, but the Electoral Commission is under government control.

18. US fail. Remember New Orleans? UK - not all that bad.

19. US fail. Only a limited proportion of the old get satisfactory (important word) funding support and as far as I know there is no state provision of homes for the elderly. UK marginally better although the state old age pension is inadequate and the limited range of state run elderly homes largely abysmal.

24. Both total fail. US is a total disaster for worker protection so there is in fact no protection from excessive management demands. UK is heading down the path of zero-hour contracts. At a higher level both demand 16 hour working hour days from, say, lawyers and the "lunch is for wimps" culture is still there. The UK has the longest working week and least protection from excessive working hours in Europe and the US is worse.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: saulgoldie
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 04:36 AM

999, I like that list. It is truly idealistic. And that is most likely where it will stay. I think the key is honest media. I believe that if people were properly informed that they would make the right decisions about everything else. I do not think we have anything like honest media, and because of the corporate nature and fear-baiting it won't be happening any time soon. But all the points are important. In fact, I'm going to give this list "legs" with the folks I know and with my elected officials. Thanks!

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 02:26 AM

2. Religion plays a very small role in society, not forbidden, but not compulsory. UK

4. Speech is free and the media varied. US/UK
5. There are few if any guns.UK

7. The government does not execute its people. UK

11. Education of children is universal, free and secular. US/UK
12. Other species are respected, valued and protected.US
13. Everyone secretly votes, every vote is openly counted independent of government. US/UK

18. Natural disasters bring massive state support for the hurt and homeless and helpless. US
19. The old, the sick, the disabled, are cared for. US

24. The balance between life at work and life at home is a healthy one.US/UK

My guess is that I don't know much more about the UK than you do about the US.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 01:14 AM

By the way, what do people think about Santorum's views on the governance of Mississipi - the poorest state in the union and with death rates for children on about a par with Botswana? If the rest of the USA was like that how many more children would die?

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 01:12 AM

I mark the UK at 20

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 11:56 PM

Question: What country would score more?

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: John P
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 10:36 PM

We have two things going for us. One is that the Tea Party showed how bad they are at governing, and lots of people got turned off by them. The other is that the Republicans have very openly declared war on women. They are losing Republican women over that one, except for the theocrats. Women are more than half of our voters.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 07:37 PM

I mark the USA at 2 out of 50 for that.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 06:43 PM

Peter Horton put together the following 25 questions worth 4 points each. 'How to recognize a civilized country.' Thought a few of you would find them interesting.

1. The military-industrial complex plays no role in government.
2. Religion plays a very small role in society, not forbidden, but not compulsory.
3. Scientists, teachers, nurses, artists, are all valued more than sports people and celebrities.
4. Speech is free and the media varied.
5. There are few if any guns.
6. The environment is cared for.
7. The government does not execute its people.
8. Women have full social and economic equality with men.
9. Minorities are not persecuted.
10. Sexuality is not a criterion for human rights.
11. Education of children is universal, free and secular.
12. Other species are respected, valued and protected.
13. Everyone secretly votes, every vote is openly counted independent of government.
14. Regulation protects people from giant corporations.
15. Other countries are not invaded, war isn't glorified.
16. Wealth is not a criterion for political success, or social worth.
17. Art and heritage are valued; literature, film and television increase in quality over time.
18. Natural disasters bring massive state support for the hurt and homeless and helpless.
19. The old, the sick, the disabled, are cared for.
20. The government tells the truth.
21. Public enterprise is as valued as private enterprise.
22. The courts and police are independent of politicians.
23. Unions flourish
24. The balance between life at work and life at home is a healthy one.
25. Aspirations are achievable by all.


I recognize some of you will say piffle. That's life.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 06:15 PM

"On 30 January 1933 Adolf Hitler legally became chancellor of Germany. Although he initially headed a coalition government, he quickly eliminated his non-Nazi partners and ruled as the sole dictator. The Nazi regime restored economic prosperity and ended mass unemployment using heavy military spending while suppressing labor unions and strikes. The return of prosperity gave the regime enormous popularity and made Hitler's rule mostly unchallenged, despite a growing resistance that culminated in the failed 20 July plot in 1944. The Gestapo (secret state police) under Heinrich Himmler destroyed the liberal, socialist, and communist opposition and persecuted the Jews. The party took control of the courts, local government, and all civic organizations except the Protestant and Catholic churches.[3]"

That is not about Jews or the Holocaust. Any of the rest sound familiar?

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 06:01 PM

http://front.moveon.org/the-last-honest-republican/

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 05:40 PM

biLL.....I lived in the south for quite awhile and although I can assure you that the clip is representative in some cases, it is certainly not in all. Additionally, that type of attitude is prevalent all over the country with people who don't realize that they should be bonded together with others because of poverty and not with the GOP.

Why do they vote GOP? Not just in Mississippi but in Ohio, Idaho, Indiana, New Mexico, New York and almost everywhere in the USA...........Why? I think the one guy made the point best......For reasons that most of us can't fathom, they believe that they will somehow get a better shake from the Republicans. Ain't worked for 'em so far....."but it might/could!"


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 05:26 PM

"If the federal government were run more like the government here in Mississippi the whole country would be a lot better off" - Mitt Romney.

I suppose it might be even more frightening to imagine a man who could say that being elected president, if you thought he actually believed it. On the other hand a president so deeply corrupted he could say something like that without believing it is a pretty terrifying thought.

The quote comes from this sobering piece in today's Guardian which reminds us that it really is possible that today's strange Republicans could still win - Obama is still in a hole. It may yet be deeper than his Republican rivals'

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: number 6
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 05:02 PM

Racism is disgusting and intolerable, but it isn't just found in the South gnu. The song Rednecks by Randy Newman comes mind regarding this. Look them up if you wish.

Anyway the whole US lunatic left/right is very concerning.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 04:27 PM

I am sure it does, sIx, but it's still scarey. Especially the racism... disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: number 6
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 04:17 PM

Back a few years back my wife and took a road trip down through Mississippi on Highway 61 .... Greenville, Vicksburg, Natchez ... met some wonderful people along the way ... black and white. That video clip does some injustice to the people of Mississippi.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Amos
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 03:33 PM

If that's the part of the South that will rise again, we better start building a giant vulva...

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 03:03 PM

Found it on YouTube

Mississippi voters....HERE IT IS ON YOU TUBE


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 02:45 PM

gnu, I get as far as the Bill Maher page (HBO.com), but I don't know where to go from there.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 02:38 PM

I can't seem to get that first link Spaw posted. I get to the front page of HBO and then I get lost. Can someone tell me where to go?

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 02:20 PM

What is unbelievable to me is the rise of voters and candidates (Santorum) who would destroy our secular system with separation of church and state.

The lunatic left also is alive and well, e. g., the posts by Songwronger and 999.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Stu
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 01:54 PM

Is there actually a left of centre political movement of any size at all in the US?

By UK and European standards Obama is still a solid right-winger, and I was wondering if any sort of effective left is left, or had they all been scared off by the right?

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 01:42 PM

Thanks, Spawz...

As for the Repubs??? I think they got sucked into their own hot-air turbine and are now hopelessly mired in bad karma...

I'm sure they are "banking" on Super PAC $$$ to save them from themselves come November and though that is a concern if that doesn't happen they have more than likely David Carradine'd themselves...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 01:27 PM

The race to find a candidate who isn't Mitt Romney is being clearly being won by Mitt Romney himself.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 01:22 PM

Many of the ones who pulled it from their comic section are running it on their editorial pages. GT is doing a full campaign in the best traditions of "Doonesbury." If you don't get a paper anymore, bookmark the site.

HERE is the site with the strip in question.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 12:21 PM

Interestingly, in the home of the brave and land of the free - and free speech - what was planned to be Doonesbury's cartoon for tomorrow has been dropped by a number of US syndicators, and publicly attacked by Rick Perry.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 12:18 PM

Whether left or right, they're full of conspiracy theorists and therefore not to be given the time of day. It's amazing the numbers of people I know who believe in chem trails. But the lunatic fringe knows one thing perfectly well: repeat a lie enough times and people will accept it as truth.

I still encounter people who think Obama's going to send his secret police into our homes to confiscate all our guns and then throw us into the secret camps that have been mothballed since the 40s or 50s or 60s--depending on which nutcase whose blatherings you happen to be listening to.

I got sick of the Executive Order bs after the nutcases told me that Clinton was going to use them if he got elected, and then it became if he get re-elected, then it became Bush I after he dared to use the phrase "New World Order" during a speech. What was funny is that they were silent when Bush II made Blackwater into the very secret police force they warned us about--but then the Bush administration had a knack for ruining people they didn't like so all the brave conspiracy nuts shut right the fuck up until Obama became president and it was safe to ooze out of the woodwork and start warning us all about what a Hitlerian dictator he is which only proves he isn't or they'd be shutting the fuck up like they did under the real dictator that preceded him.

Enough already, people.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 02:05 AM

Well, I wouldn't put too much faith in that list of executive orders. If you Google them, you will find hundreds of copies of this list, mostly at right-wing scare sites. If you look a little deeper into what these executive orders actually are, they are generally just boring documents about carrying out the day-to-day functions of government.


This statement is particularly misleading: These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen.

According to the numbering system for executive orders, it appears these executive orders were issued by John F. Kennedy in 1962, which means they were signed by the President and put into effect then.

Executive Order 10990, for example, was signed by President Kennedy in 1962, and has to do with worker safety. Several of the orders mentioned have to do with disaster preparation, but they don't sound all that ominous when you take the time to read them.

Not to worry.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Mar 12 - 01:45 AM

shoot piffle snort bollocks

Those are key words.

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: number 6
Date: 11 Mar 12 - 11:02 PM

And what scares me is that we are living next door to the country that can enact these orders. We are in the same situation as Holland in the late 1930's.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Mar 12 - 10:37 PM

Put that together with Executive Orders for the past thirty or so years and America can be locked down tighter than a drum.

HR 347 pertains to government buildings or property where the president may be. However, that could be a town or city or anything so designated by government. The SS (interesting initials) is part of HS and Executive Orders already 'on the books:

""A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry." Congress can still attempt to block "by passing legislation in conflict with it" refusing to fund or enforce the law. Even with that the President has the power of the Veto. Congress can attempt to override the veto but that requires a two-thirds majority. Only two executive orders have ever been overturned.

Here are just a few Executive Orders that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President."

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: number 6
Date: 11 Mar 12 - 10:26 PM

good one 999 ... a lotta truth to it.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Mar 12 - 10:18 PM

Left, Right, Left, Right

Subject: RE: BS: The US lunatic right
From: number 6
Date: 11 Mar 12 - 10:11 PM

The lunatic right is evolving into the Taliban of the U.S. ....good luck in November guys ... whew.

biLL