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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 12 May 18 - 09:57 AM Sorry lads, said I wasn't going to do this but Keith is presenting us with a perfect example of everything that is wrong with Israel today "By the definition accepted by 31 countries including yours " I have no control over what countries accept and refuse to do so when they are designed to protect right-wing extremism "It detracts from the horror of the holocaust to suggest the Nazis were no worse than the government of Israel." Germany embarked on the greatest and most successful example of ethnic cleansing in modern history in modern history - result - six million deliberately murdered Jews The greatest insult possible to those dead is for a country claiming to act on behalf of the Jewish People embark on a similar policy of Ethnic Cleansing using the six million dead as an excuse for this policy Not only is this what the Israeli regime has embarked on, but it is what hald the population of Israel are now demanding You support this policy by describing the confirmation of this 50% in the Jeruslem Times as " It just published some survey findings" Putting any critiscism of any Government beyond reproach by redefining terms like 'antisemitism' is not only antisemitic, it is naked fascism - George Orwell's wet dream No Government has a right to change the language to suit its policies As I said, the only reliable definition of antisemitism is "persecution and denigration of the Jewish People" That is underlined when the redefinition makes Jews "antisemitic self haters" - an establishment turning against its own people I have noticed recently that some American dictionaries have now re-defined the term 'facism' to include governments who nationalise private property - technically, every government in Britain who adopt a policy of nationalisation and any that plan to do so in the future are nor "Fascists" Brave New World here we come While we're conversing, perhaps you can clear up a point for us Can you explain how a song containing these verses: Land of Jewish finance, Fooled by Jewish lies, In press and books and movies While our birthright dies. Longer still and longer Is the rope they get But, by the God of battles T'will serve to hang them yet. written by a British Fascist in the process of organising an alternative government for when "Herr Hitler won the war" can possibly be described as an This was your claim, wasn't it - nobody faked a posting on your behalf? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 12 May 18 - 09:32 AM The refusal to jump to your commands to substantiate is because I have far better things to do with my time than trawl through all your over bloated high post count... Of course you would be very keen on folks being so distracted away from more constructive use of time and intellectual energy.. Whilst satisfying your unseemly desperate need for attention... There is a far simpler response to your over needy demands but I am too much of a gentleman..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 12 May 18 - 09:05 AM PFR, if you make disgusting accusations against other members you should be able to substantiate them. You can't because they are LIES! Anything to say on the subject of the thread yet PFR? Why not? Jim, By the definition accepted by 31 countries including yours and mine and the UK Labour Party, it is anti-Semitic to compare Israel to Nazi Germany, which you have done. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 12 May 18 - 08:43 AM Standing at the pearly gates... You know where "It wasn't me.. anyone who says I did is a liar.. prove I did it..".. will get sly weasel folks sent down to... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 12 May 18 - 08:29 AM "who could be accused of such a thing." "Who Me!!!!!" 'Course you're not Keith "That counts I fear Jim. " Not unless you equate the actions of teh Israelis with the Jewish People, which is included in the definition It is antisemitic to attempt to rob Jews of their cultural identity - you and Israel are supporting that Just go away and stop attempting to scuttle a thread that ahs exposed your group for what they are Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 12 May 18 - 08:19 AM Folks who are so 'unaware' of their persistent obvious transgressions can only be extremely thick...??? .. or habitual petty criminal liars... who's immediate reaction to being caught red handed yet again, is "Not me guv / no comment / prove it..."...? What other explanation can there possibly be...????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 12 May 18 - 07:20 AM your little trio are up to your arses in that one with your support for pre war British fascism I am not aware of anyone on Mudcat who could be accused of such a thing. You resort to debate by insult again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 12 May 18 - 07:18 AM I have never intentionally described Israel as such - just the bunch of Nazis who run it That counts I fear Jim. It detracts from the horror of the holocaust to suggest the Nazis were no worse than the government of Israel. Not just my view, but widely accepted as I said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 12 May 18 - 07:16 AM In the present climate of Israeli political extremism the only possible workable definition of Antisemitism is the persecution and denigration of the Jewish people and you and your little trio are up to your arses in that one with your support for pre war British fascism Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 12 May 18 - 07:12 AM " You have likened Israel to Nazi Germany." So have many thousand Jews - including high ups in the Israeli establishment I realise, of course that these are "non Jew" Jews and "self- loathers", so maybe their wrord doesn't count in Benjamin Netanyahu's 'Brave New Israel' I have never intentionally described Israel as such - just the bunch of Nazis who run it Redefining words to suit political policy and attempting to rob people who oppose that policy of theiir cultural identity is the classic Nazism that filled the oven of Auschwitz and Bergen-Belzen It's you who should be careful because this is the shit you have broken your arse to support Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 12 May 18 - 06:46 AM Jim, I assume you are not going to provide evidence of my anti-Semitism Be careful Jim. You have likened Israel to Nazi Germany. That is now recognised as anti-Semitic. You may not accept that definition, but it is accepted by the authorities (and the Labour Party.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Iains Date: 12 May 18 - 04:37 AM Not just Israel carrying out unprovoked illegal attacks in Syria. but also the UK. The UK drones are releasing thermobaric weapons that have a brisance sufficient to cause severe internal organ damage. https://dronewars.net/2018/05/02/mod-accidentally-reveals-british-drones-firing-thermobaric-missiles-in-syria/ https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/65789/israel-now-faces-new-rules-of-engagement-in.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 May 18 - 07:19 PM I assume you are not going to provide evidence of my antisemitism nor of my supporting Irish Nazism !! Nor are you going to condemn antisemitism from a friend Maany thanks for providing such a fine example of modern day Israel and it's supporters Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 03:27 PM No, JC. You are, again, incorrect. Even saying it twice will not make it so- the requirement is 3 times, and you have to be Sidhe for it to be effective. Next thing you will do is declare all Tom Lehrer admirers to be Nazis... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 May 18 - 03:08 PM Still no acknowledgement of the stated facts. You are an anti-semite, and have shown it in many of your posts. Denying it does not make that fact go away." Proving it establisheds I have made all thes statements None forthcoming yet Tou are now resorting to openly lying "You just keep making the claim that I should condemn something YOU see, but cannot explain to anyone what it is-" I have done - several times - as the statment is produced word for word, it is not necessary Robo tried to wiggle out of it that way and appears to have fallen on his sword There is nothing to explain - Keith dismissed antisemitic poetry demanding the death of Jews as "silly" and "unimportant and compared it to a sit-com song The poem was written a year or so before the Nazis sent six million Jews to their deaths What is so impenetrable about that? You've moved on from this and are now openly supporting it "NO. I have not, since you have never presented anything other than your warped view of what Keith said.? Game, set and match on this one, I think! Now - where are all these examples of my antisemitism and whare is your proof that I supported Irish support of the Nazis ? Chiding name-calling of the type you are now indulging in is a sure sign of your having painted yourself into a corner Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 May 18 - 03:08 PM Still no acknowledgement of the stated facts. You are an anti-semite, and have shown it in many of your posts. Denying it does not make that fact go away." Proving it establisheds I have made all thes statements None forthcoming yet Tou are now resorting to openly lying "You just keep making the claim that I should condemn something YOU see, but cannot explain to anyone what it is-" I have done - several times - as the statment is produced word for word, it is not necessary Robo tried to wiggle out of it that way and appears to have fallen on his sword There is nothing to explain - Keith dismissed antisemitic poetry demanding the death of Jews as "silly" and "unimportant and compared it to a sit-com song The poem was written a year or so before the Nazis sent six million Jews to their deaths What is so impenetrable about that? You've moved on from this and are now openly supporting it "NO. I have not, since you have never presented anything other than your warped view of what Keith said.? Game, set and match on this one, I think! Now - where are all these examples of my antisemitism and whare is your proof that I supported Irish support of the Nazis ? Chiding name-calling of the type you are now indulging in is a sure sign of your having painted yourself into a corner Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 11 May 18 - 02:53 PM Pfr - "Alexa - how do we human beings, and artificial intelligence devices like yourself, communicate effectively with unintelligent entities...???" Alexa - "Eff off human, he's your problem not mine... Have a nice day..." Pfr - "Well thank's a lot you not particularly helpful robot.. play music track Pop goes the Weasel as recorded by any artist in Prime library instead..."... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 11 May 18 - 02:34 PM pop goes the sly weasel... So no quote. Just another baseless personal attack. Anything to say on the subject yet PFR? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 11 May 18 - 02:32 PM Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar said: “What’s the problem if hundreds of thousands storm this fence which is not a border of a state? What’s the problem with that?“ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-protests-latest-israel-shot-dead-border-march-gunfire-palestine-sinwar-hamas-a8347366.html It has been the border of the state of Israel since its inception. Hamas denies Israel the right to exist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 11 May 18 - 02:32 PM pop goes the sly weasel... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 11 May 18 - 02:15 PM PFR, I'll remind that it was K**** & bobs hysterical malicious accusations of antisemitism, Let's see a quote then. No more malicious, baseless accusations please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 02:12 PM As posted in another thread: "We have to remind ourselves that the offender does not get to decide what is offensive; that perception belongs to those offended. " YOU offend me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 02:07 PM Still no acknowledgement of the stated facts. You are an anti-semite, and have shown it in many of your posts. Denying it does not make that fact go away. No answer to anything I've said - no cigar You just keep making the claim that I should condemn something YOU see, but cannot explain to anyone what it is- just that we MUST condemn it or you will call us anti-semites. The first time you post that, you may be a wit. The second time , a half-wit. By now, you are a nit-wit. Better quit while you are ahead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 11 May 18 - 02:05 PM At this point, I'll remind that it was K**** & bobs hysterical malicious accusations of antisemitism, just to upset and annoy good folks, that kicked off much of this over heated rancour... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 01:56 PM So, MY failure to condemn something YOU cannot explain makes ME a Antisemitism deniers, while YOUR failure to condemn the Irish support of Nazis in WWII makes you... a decent and intelligent human being? NOPE. If YOU haven't denied your anti-semitism, YOU are just perfect- I have not even seen the antisemitism that YOU claim Keith is guilty of, but MY failure to condemn it SIGHT UNSEEN make me what??? You really need to think through your claims- YOU condemn YOURSELF every time you try to attack others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 May 18 - 01:43 PM "Already explained YOUR antisemitism. " Congratulations Bruce - you have now entered that great and noble circle of Antisemitism deniers Your card and badge is in the post "And YOUR support of the Irish helping the Nazis? " Sigh.... Where have I Won't hold my breath Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 May 18 - 01:43 PM "Already explained YOUR antisemitism. " Congratulations Bruce - you have now entered that great and noble circle of Antisemitism deniers Your card and badge is in the post "And YOUR support of the Irish helping the Nazis? " Sigh.... Where have I Won't hold my breath Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 01:09 PM "And still you refuse to condemn Keith's antisemitism Let's see if you are prepared to explain what it is if it is not just that You can put that in the file next to "must explain Carroll's antisemitism" in your in tray " Already explained YOUR antisemitism. I don't see what YOU claim in Keith's post.Since I do not see what YOU claim, EXPLAIN it, and I will see if I agree it is antisemitism- YOU don't get to decide what I think. " only the trio of you who defend mass murder " And YOUR support of the Irish helping the Nazis? You are stating YOU are not a decent and intelligent human being? I do not see mass murder where you do- I see it in the efforts of Palestinians to invade Israel and kill civilians. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 May 18 - 01:02 PM "NO. I have not, since you have never presented anything other than your warped view of what Keith said." I gave the quote verbatim - you explain it "Why not? YOU seem to have no problem lecturing the rest of us on it. " Not the rest of you Bruce - only the trio of you who defend mass murder Most people are decent and intelligent human beings And still you refuse to condemn Keith's antisemitism Let's see if you are prepared to explain what it is if it is not just that You can put that in the file next to "must explain Carroll's antisemitism" in your in tray Ball's in your court now - your serve Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 12:53 PM Between you and him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 11 May 18 - 12:48 PM Bruce - scaling up from this microcosm... If we can think of K**** & Jim as USA v USSR [can't say who is which] then the rest of us are smaller nations caught up jostling in shifting alliances amidst the eternal cold war, sabre rattling and proxy battles... In regards to K****, like I always say.. I prefer to look for the best in folks and extend the hand of friendship and reconciliation.. But K**** has rejected this too often and persists in being divisive and objectionable.. So I told him straight - I will relate to him sarcastically with perseverance and disdain... Until he either leaves mudcat of his own volition, or genuinely mends his ways more positively and begins to show real respect for fellow mudcatters... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 12:32 PM PFR, UK politics is not of interest to me- no horse in the race. I note that you don't like Keith- not my concern. I do NOT judge people here on other than what they post- IF he has offended you, I am not involved. He does bring up valid points that JC does not ever acknowledge, and presents facts that JC would rather not have think about (IMO). But someone who brings up the past when it suits him, then in the SAME THREAD says we should not bring up the past is, at best, disingenuous, and at worst a danger to reasonable discussion. I find JC to be unwilling to consider other's opinions, when they differ from his pronouncements of what we should be thinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 11 May 18 - 12:17 PM Bruce - I've had a deeper think than usual this time of the afternoon.. and here I am back again instead of getting on with important chores.. I can only speak for myself, but all things considered, this may apply for others...??? I suggest the reason why so many threads are obsessed with Israel and not India or other contentious regions, is.. K*****...!!! Thinking back, I got hooked into all this many similar threads ago simpley because of K****'s persistent pernicious cynical exploitation of Jewish issues as an insincere ulterior motive for attacking the UK Labour Party, and the decent moderate folk he vindictively maligns as the 'extremist left'.... To much extent, this has backfired for himself. .. and Israel threads have since multiplied as he repeatedly squirms to justify himself and desperately seek help from those he conives into supporting him... I actually ought to thank him for giving me motivation to resist his bile and learn more about, Jews, Israel, and myself in the process...!!!??? ..and here we all are... yet again... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 11:59 AM "You refuse to condemn antismitism "" NO. I have not, since you have never presented anything other than your warped view of what Keith said. "And still you refuse to ever refer to Keith's antisemitism" I see YOUR antisemitism, but have not seen HIS. IF I do, I will comment on it then. "Please don't lecture me about humanity " Why not? YOU seem to have no problem lecturing the rest of us on it. Point made, I think |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 May 18 - 11:54 AM "No answer to anything I've said - no cigar You refuse to condemn antismitism yet refuse accuse critics of Israel of antisemitism Even if we work from your definition that makes you not only a hypocrite nut an antisemite "I NEVER claimed to be speaking for the "Jewish People"" Just as well really! "You ought to consider that you may also be human. I do actually - regard both the shooting down of demonstrators and the defending of such totally inhuman - that is when you trio do Please don't lecture me about humanity And still you refuse to ever refer to Keith's antisemitism Point made, I think JIm Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 11:44 AM Your opinions, and you have the right to have them. I do not agree with most of your comments. I also object strongly when YOU state what OTHERS must be because of YOUR opinions. I NEVER claimed to be speaking for the "Jewish People" I speak for myself, and give my opinion as best as I can. Being human, I may sometimes be wrong, or change my opinions as new facts come to my attention. You ought to consider that you may also be human. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 May 18 - 11:26 AM "YOU hold Israel to a set of standards that you do NOT apply to other nations" Where hae I ever done that? I expect all nations to respect human life Israel does not I expect all nations to be answerable to internationsl laws Isreal would rather close down International law courts rather than answer to their crimes I condemn all nations who bahave in thet way I have condemned Muslim countries, and Christian countries and well as my own and my chosen residence You don't get it do you I am discussing ordinary human beings - not Governments or organisations - I don't trust either I will not condemn the Palestinians for fighting back any more than I did the Jews who fought the British In the first case Israel is the aggressor, in the last Britain was the aggressor - on each case it was a case of people fighting aggression with every means at their disposal I HAVE NEVER AT ANY TIME WILL I EVER DENY THE RIGHT OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE SELF DETERMINATION - SHOW WHERE i HAVE EVER DONE SO My definition of antisemitism is and always has been the persecution and denigration of Jews. AS far as I am concerned Israel no longer speaks for a people who the describe "self-hating" or "non-Jews" if they don't toe the party line - that is fascism The term has been redefined to suit a political line so many times that it has become meaningless so until you can find me having denigrated the Jewish people you have no case Keith gave an opinion on a song that suggested sending the Jewish people to be exterminated as unimportant and "silly" You refuse even to address it - never mind condemn it You have no case - you have no right to claim you speak on behalf of the Jewish people Finished with you here - I think Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 11 May 18 - 11:17 AM Bruce - I like and respect Jim, and need him to stay around for my own selfish learning reasons.. but don't really actively defend him... He's his own man and big and tough enough to fight for himself on occasions when it looks like he might have dug a hole a little too deep.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 11:12 AM IMO, of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 11:11 AM Not a problem. Just pointing the common usage out- as long as you are consistent with ALL religions, I will not take offense. But you should be careful of defending JC- As I said, he seems to have a tendency to only allow one side to be looked at, and NEVER admits that he might be less than correct. I find this a flaw, in reasonable discussion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 11 May 18 - 11:06 AM Bruce - I hope we can maintain a fair working rapport. I'll apologise to you personally for lack of capital "J"s.. Please understand, because of my own quirks, I generally refuse to capitalise any deities or religions... It is not my intention to single out any religion more than others for disrespect... It might not sound much, but my 1/4 blood is having some influence on my own sense of identity. Which is why I am curious to learn more of that part of my bloodline history.. and my own little place in this present day heritage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 11:00 AM "You have never produced antisemitism from me - you would have been screaming for my donation if you had" I did- you never noticed it, or even acknowledged you had read it. And AGAIN: have noted antisemitism here- but primarily on YOUR posts. *********************************************************** YOU hold Israel to a set of standards that you do NOT apply to other nations, leading one to believe that you are a bigot. *********************************************************** "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination (e.g. by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour). Applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation." https://antisemitism.uk/definition/ SO PAY UP!!! You have lost your right even to mention 1948 massacres and that will remain until you condemn the Muslims for the same activities you condemn Israel for. "Until than it is about politics, pure and simple" Obviously. If Israel had a far Left government, you would be happy with everything they do. Just look at your (lack of) reply to the Far Left Sinn Fein support of the Nazis. http://markhumphrys.com/sfira.nazis.html http://markhumphrys.com/sfira.nazis.docs.html#jews http://markhumphrys.com/sfira.nazis.html#holocaust 'Go and have a pint with Keith - he's about your level" If you mean a decent person you have falsely accused in order to advance your own antisemitism, he may well be at my level. I cannot think that YOU have gotten that high, from your posts and your "tactics" in discussion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: bobad Date: 11 May 18 - 10:53 AM Any positive ideas for a future relatively peaceful resolution...??? You've asked me before and I answered you - my answer still applies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 10:52 AM PFR, Thank you for the warning. I have to judge people by what they state in their posts ( and by what they REFUSE to answer, or discuss.) I only know a few mudcatters well enough to make that kind of judgement beyond their posts. I would hope any Muslims reading these threads regard JC with mistrust and suspicion... And it is considered correct to capitalize Jew, like one capitalizes Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 11 May 18 - 10:47 AM Bruce- I have at least twice in this thread suggested that K***'s sympathy for jews is fake, and he only tolerates those he finds convenient in pursuing right wing objectives... I would hope any jews reading these threads regard him with mistrust and suspicion... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 May 18 - 10:44 AM "I have noted and condemned YOUR antisemitism" Now you are lying You have never produced antisemitism from me - you would have been screaming for my donation if you had I am referring to Keith's antisemitism If you refuse to condemn it you have no right to condemn annybody elses - as I say - you cannot pick and choose Go and have a pint with Keith - he's about your level Who knows, you might find some "self hating Jews" who who can talk a little humanity into you Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: punkfolkrocker Date: 11 May 18 - 10:40 AM bob - so if you can be persuaded to look further forward than 1949.. Any positive ideas for a future relatively peaceful resolution...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: beardedbruce Date: 11 May 18 - 10:37 AM "You are refusing to condemn open santisemitism " I have noted and condemned YOUR antisemitism. I have NOT seen any such postings by others here. YOU make a claim about Keith- the rest of the posters here have not seen what YOU claim is antisemitism, and from YOUR posts that DO demonstrate it, I would not trust what YOU say about the topic without real evidence- that YOU have always claimed and NEVER provided. YOUR misunderstanding and mis-characterization of simple statements is NOT cause to think others here are as antisemitic as YOUR posts have been. "1948 for ***** sake - people who weren't born then are being slaughtered now" AS I NOTED, YOU are the one who brought up 1948- so fucking deal with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: bobad Date: 11 May 18 - 10:26 AM In 1947 the UN resolution recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish States. The plan was accepted by the Jews. The Arabs refused and started a war that is ongoing from 1947 until today. -----"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of LIKE THE MONGOLIAN MASSACRES " Arab League general secretary, Azzam Pasha, declaration when 7 Arab armies attacked the defending Israel in 1948 ---- “Palestine shall be consumed with fire and blood if the Jews get any part of it.” --- Declared on November 24, 1947, by the Acting Chairman of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, Jamal Al-Husseini In March, 1976, Mahmoud Abbas told the PLO newspaper, Filastin A-Thawra: ------ “Arab armies forced Palestinians to leave their homes.” On October 2, 1948, The London Economist wrote: --- “the most potent factor triggering the Arab flight were the announcements by the Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to evacuate… and that Arabs accepting Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades….” On June 8, 1951, the Secretary General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha told the Lebanese daily, Al Hoda: ---- “In 1948, the Arab leadership advised Arabs in Palestine to leave their homes temporarily.” “:Then we exploit them in executing crimes of murder in the service of Arab political purposes” Syria’s Prime Minister, Khaled al-Azam, admitted, in his 1973 memoirs: -----“We brought destruction upon the refugees, by calling on them to leave their homes.” On April 28, 1948, Sir Alan Cunningham, the last British High Commissioner in Palestine stated: --A total evacuation was urged by higher Arab quarters. John Troutbeck, Head of the British Middle East Office, in Cairo (June 1949): --- “The refugees know who their enemies are – their Arab brothers who persuaded them to leave their homes…” Ismayil Safwat, Commander-in–Chief of the Arab Liberation Army (March 23,1948): ---- “The Jews have not attacked any Arab village, unless attacked first.” The Commander-in-Chief of the Arab Liberation Army, Fawzi el-Kaukji, a notorious Nazi collaborator, in August, 1947 threatened: ---“Should the UN vote the wrong way, we will initiate a total war… murder, wreck and ruin everything….” On Nov. 24, 1947, the Acting Chairman of the (Palestinian) Arab Higher Committee, Jamal Al-Husseini, threatened: ----“Palestine shall be consumed with fire and blood if the Jews get any part of it.” Abdul Rahman Azzam Pasha, the first Secretary General of the ArabLeague told the Egyptian daily Akhbar al Yom on October 11, 1947: --- “…This will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre, which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacres, or the Crusaders’ wars…. Each fighter deems death on behalf of Palestine as the shortest road to paradise….The war will be an opportunity for vast plunder… ” The Arab League orders exhorting the people to clear the way to the 7 Arab armies invading Israel Refer: Bulletin of The Research Group for European Migration Problems, 1957 ------ : “”SEEK A TEMPORARY REFUGE IN NEIBOURING COUNTRIES, later to return to their abodes and OBTAIN THEIR SHARE OF ABANDONED JEWISH PROPERTY.”” Emile Goury secretary of the Palestinian committee said in the Beirut telegraph ----- “”The refugees are the consequence of the Arab states opposing the Jews state.”” Broadcasted by the Cyprus-based Near East on April 3, 1949; -------“”The Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes.” The first US Ambassador to Israel, James McDonald's My Mission in Israel (published in 1951, pages 174-6) ----- “The refugees were on Arab leaders hands as a result of a war, which they had begun and lost |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville From: Jim Carroll Date: 11 May 18 - 10:26 AM You are refusing to condemn open santisemitism and you are refusing to respond to what I am saying - while this goes on, all you are doing is hurling Israeli propaganda that has been dealth with over and over and over again, ad nauseum As Keith has demonstrated, that proves nothing Carry on soap-boxing and as far as I can make out, you are adding nothing to the topic - we have nothing to say to each other AS I said - until you condemn all antisemitism, you have nothing to say on behalf of the Jewish people You cannot pick and choose between friend's and opponent's antisemitism 1948 for ***** sake - people who weren't born then are being slaughtered now Jim Carroll |