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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Amos Date: 13 Apr 04 - 01:09 PM ...with a much more developed infrastructure. 'Course we can unstructure things like that purdy quick... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: GUEST,petr Date: 13 Apr 04 - 01:05 PM the real issue as I see it is not whether the Bush Admin. blew it prior to 911. It wasnt that easy to predict, and whatever blame there is regarding 911 is spread among everybody including previous administrations. But the Iraq venture is Bushs own idea and project, and he and his team Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowitz have been wrong everystep of the way - There were NO WMDS, they werent greeted as liberators with flowers (like in france in wwII - as both Cheney and WOlfowitz predicted) they were wildly inaccurate in terms of required troop strength needed to hold and secure Iraq once the major fighting is over) Remember Wolfowitz saying that SHinsekis troop requirement estimate is WILDLY off the mark. well.. now they are asking other countries to send troops, well if they dont need anymore American troops why would they need troops from other countries? now they are heading for a 3month handover of power in Iraq. But when Bremer was asked the other day who they are handing the power over to, he said 'Thats a good question' (in my book thats a Bad Answer) the June 3oth handover deadline is only there for election timing purposes, because whats going to happen afterwards if the IRaqi governing council wants to do something the US doesnt? the fact is its time for Bush to lead, get out of the ranch, fire some of those idiots in the pentagon who are hated by the military anyway, and try to build a real coalition of nations with the UN to help setup an elected govt in Iraq. But lets face it it aint gonna happen, because in times of opposition BUsh just digs in and it would be admitting an error. the blame for allowing 911 to happen is nothing compared to being wrong about Iraq every step of the way, and even if Kerry is elected in Nov. the US will have to stay there for years to come, otherwise it will degenerate to a civil war, and provide a haven for terrorists as Afghanistan did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Apr 04 - 11:24 AM She could outfreeze anyone, that woman. She is a zealot who believes implicitly in what she is doing and plays to win at all times, regardless of consequence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: dianavan Date: 13 Apr 04 - 01:43 AM Terribus certainly used good logic to shoot holes in one of my arguments. That doesn't take too much since I'm certainly not a political scientist. He will not, however, convince me that Bush and the Republicans are anything but a bunch of irresponsible thugs who use their victims to serve their greedy agenda. Yes, Condi is also an alien with reptilian genes. I have to hand it to her though, she is certainly cool under pressure. Cold and calculating is a better word. I didn't do it and Bush didn't do it - it was another, unamed bureaucrat. Isn't that admitting that they don't know whats going on? Doesn't instill confidence in me, thats for sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Apr 04 - 01:25 AM Oh, teribus, I dearly hope you're right, and my predictions about the likelihood of a 3rd World War are "claptrap", because I DON'T want to see it happen! So keepa you fingers crossed... More delightful "claptrap" will no doubt be coming your way momentarily from all us non-Republicans who deny your view of reality. Yes, indeedy. :-) Add to that rubbish, balderdash, horse pucky, stuff and nonsense, etc... But here's a thought. Just bury us under ever denser and more lengthy verbiage, laden with pages and pages of quotes and statistics. Chances are we will become so stupefied that you will score a couple of juicy points and no one will even notice. By the way, may I say that Condoleeza Rice looks just like a cobra wearing a black wig? I mean the snake, eh? Brrrr...gives me the chills, that woman does. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Bobert Date: 12 Apr 04 - 11:28 PM He's on the payroll, Amos... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Amos Date: 12 Apr 04 - 11:24 PM Teribus: Howdy. Look...get your brains in gear, man. This is a nest of liberals. We are PROUD that we represent liberalism and wish people who use "liberal" as a swear word would bother looking it up. You obviously do not feel like a liberal, supporting the whole military solution throughout the Bush regime. So why...I mean what is it with you that you feel the need to plunge into what must be a nest of vipers, relatively speaking, and stand around barefoot stepping on tails? Is thisd a form of self-flagellation to make amends for some past political sin? Or does the friction and angst of conflict somehow boost your adrenaline output? What is the deal here? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Bobert Date: 12 Apr 04 - 08:36 PM GUEST, petr: Details........... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: GUEST,petr Date: 12 Apr 04 - 08:20 PM well If I compare Clinton lying about having sex with Monica, and Bush lying about WMDs in Iraq (of course the US knew he had them, theyve got the REceipts!) Id say the one big difference is the lives of 600+ American kids and possibly 10,000 Iraqis. (not to mention alienating most of Europe and the rest of the world ) and to put it in further perspective - Bush fought the 911 commission right from its creation and funding (Kenneth Starr commission on Clinton spent $55million more than the 911 commission) and the idea the Condi Rice testifying might set a bad precedent? actually the national security advisor under Roosevelt had no problem testifying to a post war investigation of the Pearl Harbour attack. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: dianavan Date: 12 Apr 04 - 05:50 PM I meant to say suckle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: dianavan Date: 12 Apr 04 - 05:49 PM Blair is a "suckhole". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: GUEST,Shlio Date: 12 Apr 04 - 05:46 PM Tragically, one of the few people who believe Bush and identify with his viewpoint is Blair. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Teribus Date: 12 Apr 04 - 05:44 PM Taking the contributions of, Bobert, Little Hawk and dianavan - I don't believe I've read so much claptrap for ages. Bobert'll be back to talking about "heads on sticks", and "patriot missiles raining down" again before to long. "The nature of Bush's lying worries me more, however, because it leads in the direction of a World conflict...one in which the English-speaking countries end up fighting most of the rest of the World. That conflict will lead to the end of the Anglo-American Empire and a new world order we can't even imagine at this point...presuming anyone survives it in good enough shape to actually establish a new world order. The Chinese might. And if he's not lying (which I doubt!) then his incompetence is leading us there anyway." Effin ridiculous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Apr 04 - 05:19 PM Meanwhile, Janet Jackson redeems herself with a spot-on Saturday Night Live appearance. I've mentioned this before, but this latest review by Tom Shales has more information and contemplation of the satirical work of that complex skit--not just a jab at Rice and Bush but also at the ludicrous FCC goings-on--all in one tidy package. I do wish I'd seen it.
In the very first sketch, before the opening credits, Jackson did a bull's-eye impression of national security adviser Condoleezza Rice testifying, as she did last week, before the commission investigating the 9/11 tragedy. Outfitted with prosthetic teeth that helped with the flashing of a coldly faked smile, Jackson as Rice rehearsed for her testimony with a sinister and snakelike Vice President Cheney, played by master impressionist Darrell Hammond. The full article is in the Washington Post and you have to sign up (it's free) to read it. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: dianavan Date: 12 Apr 04 - 03:58 PM He's a liar but that's not the worst of it. He put everyone at risk by ignoring intelligence reports. There was no faulty intelligence, it was faulty administration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Bobert Date: 12 Apr 04 - 01:27 PM Ditto, Little Hawk... An, Stirck, I didn't really expect you try to see fir one second the way that I see Bush... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Apr 04 - 10:58 AM I figure Bill Clinton AND George W. Bush have both told so many lies that their noses oughta stretch to China by now. :-) And, yes, dishonesty and politics are practically inseparable. The nature of Bush's lying worries me more, however, because it leads in the direction of a World conflict...one in which the English-speaking countries end up fighting most of the rest of the World. That conflict will lead to the end of the Anglo-American Empire and a new world order we can't even imagine at this point...presuming anyone survives it in good enough shape to actually establish a new world order. The Chinese might. And if he's not lying (which I doubt!) then his incompetence is leading us there anyway. I pray that Canada stays neutral, as Sweden and Spain and Switzerland did in World War II. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Strick Date: 12 Apr 04 - 10:37 AM "Trouble is that with Clinton, it was a one shot deal, and with the current guy, I get the same feeling just about everytime I hear him talk. Take just about any issue and the man is lieing thru his teeth." On the contrary, Bobert, Clinton was lying through his teeth on an number of issues. Just never thought he'd resort to the in-your-face "Big Lie" quite so openly. Guests, you're right, we don't need to go through this again. Please accept that a very large percentage of the country thinks the Bush Administration was fooled rather than lied. Did they have an agenda with Iraq? Yes. Unfinished business? Yes. There's a lot of spin going both ways, but the last poll I saw still says the majority of Americans thought kick Saddam out was justification enough for that war. I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong, just that there's logic for disagreeing with you no matter how much it may upset you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Bobert Date: 12 Apr 04 - 10:10 AM Yo, Strick. You know that feeling you got when Bill Clinton looked into the camera and said he "didn't have sex with that woman"? Well, I had the same feeling... Trouble is that with Clinton, it was a one shot deal, and with the current guy, I get the same feeling just about everytime I hear him talk. Take just about any issue and the man is lieing thru his teeth. "No Child Left Behind"???... He puffs out his chest on this one but won't write the checks to fund it... "Mission Accomplished"???... What a joke! The was probably the biggest PR lie in the history of mankind. The ship was in sight of land, fir one but the cameras weren't allowed to show that. And Bush is quoted to say he flew the plane giving the distinct impression that he had piloted the plane in the landing. Ha! If he had been piloting the plane during the landing we'd have President Cheney as out president today, fir sure!!! Then we have mushroom clouds, anthrax, WMD, nuclear weapons, Al Quida connections, aluminum tubes, high grade uranium from Africa, etc, etc, etc.. So, my friend, if you take that rage you felt for Clinton because he lied about a danged sex act and do a little Wes Ginny algebra, you might get a small glimpse into how yer guy is viewed fromm over here. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: GUEST,pdc Date: 12 Apr 04 - 12:59 AM I agree that Iraq was a major agenda item from the day this Administration took office -- I don't think there can be any argument made against that. There has simply been too much evidence presented. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 11 Apr 04 - 11:58 PM "I'll freely admit very bad judgement. That they lied in this is simply improbable." telling lies shows bad judgement. that they have lied is fact. but the point of all this, without going over the specific instances that we here and everyone else have batted back and forth ad nauseum, is this... the administration had an agenda from day one. saddam and iraq. they took advantage of an incredible tragedy to institute that agenda making a horrendously bad judgement. many people have now died or had their lives horribly changed because of this agenda which has not for one second served america's best interests, advanced democracy or freedom in the world, has made us nothing but enemies in the world and distanced us from our friends and allies. i don't actually think there is as much outright lying as there is manipulation of the facts to suit this agenda because the people running this mess (cheney, wolfowitz, etc. with bush merely the mouthpiece) really believe that what they are doing makes sense. thay are ideologues, rich greedy war profiteering bastards who have no sense of what regular people's lives are like and have no conscince (sp?) to keep them from using innocents for cannon fodder in their holy war. they are just as stupid, unyielding, dogmatic, uncaring, vicious, and fundamentalistic as their counterpart bin laden. get these criminals out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Strick Date: 11 Apr 04 - 10:39 PM "No? I suppose that Richard Clark is lieing thru his teeth to sell books." I honestly don't know what Clarke's doing. I do trust the Washington Post's comparison of the actual actions of the two administrations (neither really did anything significant) over his perceptions of who thought what. "Clinton's sin was not that he had sex with Monica, and not that he lied under oath, but merely this: HE GOT CAUGHT LYING!!!" There's a modicum of truth in that. I wasn't that offended with Clinton until he looked into the camera and said he didn't have sex with that woman. I formed this clear impression that he lied to the public becausae he thought we were all too stupid to know he was lying. Why not? He'd gotten away with it before. He brazened it out instead of telling the truth despite knowing that we'd be seeing evidence he lied before long. In this part of the world, the stupidest lie is one you know you're going to get caught at. I know you'll bring up Bush and WMDs, but I honestly believe if he or major players in the Administration they would have salted Iraq with WMDs long ago and this would never have come up. I'll freely admit very bad judgement. That they lied in this is simply improbable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: GUEST,pdc Date: 11 Apr 04 - 09:09 PM LH said, "...and return some honesty to politics." That may be a little naive -- I think politics has always been a game in which dishonesty played a role. But I believe there used to be limits, based on honour, and a return to those limits would be a good thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Apr 04 - 08:54 PM What president would NOT lie under oath about having illicit sex with an employee, while he thought he could still get away with lying? Answer: none of them. They would all lie under oath. Clinton's sin was not that he had sex with Monica, and not that he lied under oath, but merely this: HE GOT CAUGHT LYING!!! Face it, Clinton-hating partisan Republicans...Bill Clinton did exactly what a Republican president always does when confronted with damaging accusations of misbehaviour...evade, deny, stonewall, and lie. The only reason you can't stand Clinton doing it is because you don't like him in the first place! Because he's a Democrat. If a Republican you really liked lied under oath you would find excuses to justify it...you'd wiggle around the issue somehow...you'd say it really wasn't relevant because of something else that was much more important....which was, in fact, the case with Clinton's little Lewinsky problem (a tempest in a teapot). You need to study up on your own prejudices and how they influence your reasoning mind...and at least derive some self-deprecating amusement in the process. Me, I can't stand either the Republicans or the Democrats, so I think it's easier for me to think clearly on such partisan issues than it is for you....but that's just my own slant on it. I would turf both of them out of office permanently and disband the jerks if I had the power to, and return some honesty to politics. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Bobert Date: 11 Apr 04 - 08:17 PM Well, pdc, I reckon before *9/ll-gate* is done we'll have that speech, too. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: GUEST,pdc Date: 11 Apr 04 - 08:12 PM Bobert said, "Condi Rice was supposed to give a speech on 9/11 on national security that contained not a single reference to terrorism." Isn't that the speech that the White House has refused to release? Gee, wonder why... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Bobert Date: 11 Apr 04 - 07:53 PM No? I suppose that Richard Clark is lieing thru his teeth to sell books. And O'Niel... Face it, Strick, the more we learn on Bush's desire to attack Iraq from Day 1, the more we see that he was indeed less vigilant in fighting terrorism. The day before 9/11 whe3n he was interviewed while golfing he was Hellbent on focusing on Saddam Hussien. Hey, that's not just an opinion. It's fact. Condi Rice was supposed to give a speech on 9/11 on national security that contained not a single reference to terrorism. Hmmmmmmmm? No disrepect, pal, but I can see that pair of two's yer holding in the mirror behind you. Sure you want to keep betting? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Strick Date: 11 Apr 04 - 05:29 PM "Clinton's mistake was in having an affair with a twit who bragged about it to her buddies." No, his mistake was lying about it under oath. Twice. That he's been charged with sexual harrassment (what 5 times?) and rape are incidental. Some men in power forget that "no" is a possible answer. Bobert, that doesn't change the fact you were trying to paint Bush in negative light because more people died in terrorist attacks during his watch. It wasn't for a lack to trying during the Clinton administration. If that truck bomb under the World Trade Center had been as successful they hoped, another Oklahoma City, none of the 10,000 people in the building would have gotten out alive. If that had happened, if they had died, would you still be using that as a criteria for who did a better job? It's not as if Clinton did a single thing to prevent that attack or moderate it's effectiveness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: GUEST,pdc Date: 11 Apr 04 - 04:34 PM It amazes me when someone refers to a president who is "a joke around the world" as Clinton, rather than Bush. Clinton's BJ was a joke, sure, but Bush is seen as a bad joke internationally. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: DougR Date: 11 Apr 04 - 04:26 PM Don: you must revel with being in the minority! The majority of those I have heard comment on Rice's testimony thought she did a very credible job. I thought she did too. You, and those who share your view, would never be satisfied with her testimony unless she testified that the Bush administration was totally responsible for the 9/11 attacks, knew about it in advance but refused to stop it, etc. etc. etc. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Apr 04 - 11:16 AM Strick, you think Bush hasn't had loads of people stay in the Lincoln bedroom? Get real. Of course he has. EVERY president has. It's part of the package, a really really nice guest room for your friends and contributors. There is never going to be a pure play as far as finger pointing and assigning blame for events like embassy bombings and the airliners-as-missles of Sept. 11. Somebody as predecessor always sets up the next guy in office. Clinton's mistake was in having an affair with a twit who bragged about it to her buddies. Having affairs is another all-too-familiar tension-breaker in the White House. Bush senior is alleged to have had an affair with one of his staffers on a trip to Geneva in 1984. Despite being written about, whoever the staffer was, she kept her mouth shut and that ended it. Bush also didn't have Richard Mellon Scaife hounding his ass for his entire presidency. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Bobert Date: 11 Apr 04 - 11:00 AM Well, Strict, according to a poll released this morning and aired on an ABC news show I was just watching, folks around the world consider the US to be a gretaer threat than the *terrorists*... That didn't happen under a guy who you discribe as "a joke across much of the world" but under your guy. And if you'll recall, he had allready pissed of the Europens long before 9/11 with his arrogance and lack of vision or knowledge, or have you forgotten about that? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Strick Date: 11 Apr 04 - 10:36 AM "Bush, when he came into office, didn't want to do anything the way Clinton did things. He turned his back on the Middle East and in doing so created an atmosphere where the bin Laden's of the world had a lot of sympathy and support in the Arab world." According to the Aug 6th PDB, Clinton's actions prompted Ben Laden's attacks on the US. No matter what we do, Arabs are going to assume we side with Israel, we always have and it's political suicide to suggest anything else. Actually, not doing things the way Clinton did so many things is a positive thing for must of us. Want to rent the Lincoln bedroom? Buy a Presidential pardon? Don't let him around your daughter. Clinton was a joke across much of the world, at least from my personal experience. You couldn't catch a cab in a foreign country without someone telling a Clinton joke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Bobert Date: 11 Apr 04 - 10:08 AM First of all, the 300 marines killed in Beruit was under Reagans watch, Strick. And secondly, unless my rememorator ain't rememboratin' to good, the 300 embassey number is highly inflated. Hey, no one is saying that Clinton was all that great but he did work tirelessly on the Middle East troubles. Bush, when he came into office, didn't want to do anything the way Clinton did things. He turned his back on the Middle East and in doing so created an atmosphere where the bin Laden's of the world had a lot of sympathy and support in the Arab world. Bad foriegn policy then. Bas foriegn policy now. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Apr 04 - 09:37 AM In the "Pretty darn good comeback" department (and I wish I'd seen it!): Janet Spoofs Super Bowl Flash on 'SNL' April 11, 2004 07:38 AM EDT NEW YORK - It was inevitable: Janet Jackson spoofing her infamous wardrobe malfunction by flashing a heavily pixillated breast on "Saturday Night Live." The one surprise was the context. Jackson portrayed national security adviser Condoleezza Rice opening her blouse at the Sept. 11 commission hearings, in an opening skit on the comedy show. The skit showed Vice President Dick Cheney, played by Darrell Hammond, suggesting Rice should "flash a boob" to distract the public from her testimony. "Just one headlight, real quick," he said. "It does two things. You win over the liberals, plus, it's a distraction for the press. I guarantee that's going to be the headline, not the bin Laden thing." Jackson, as Rice, huffily refuses. "I am not a prude, sir, but this hearing is not the forum for that kind of lewd conduct," she said. "There are other forums, like pay television or national sporting championships. That would be fine, but I am the national security adviser." Cheney reluctantly agreed. "It was Ashcroft's idea," he said. The scene shifted to the commission hearing. Rice, tongue-tied under questioning, opened her blouse and pretended to reveal her right breast - the same one seen by millions of Super Bowl viewers during her halftime performance. This time, the breast was heavily blurred by the network. Jackson was the guest host and musical guest on "Saturday Night Live." SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Strick Date: 11 Apr 04 - 12:36 AM Only because Al Qaeda wasn't as successful with their first attack on the Twin Towers and not for a lack of trying, Bobert. You don't suspose that that 9/11 would have happened if someone had taken effective action against them when they first started all this, do you? The blame game is nothing but politics and demeaning to the dead. Remember what's really the heart of the issue the Commission says they're trying to address. What should have been done to stop Al Qaeda and when, not who's to blame for what. While Clarke's perception of who might or might not have been more focused was interesting, I'm a lot more convinced by the Washington Post's analysis of the situtation in which they concluded that no one did much to really try to stop Al Qaeda. And of course, Clarke's own admission that nothing he ever recommended would have prevented 9/11, anyway. I do notice that you don't seem to consider the 300 or so non-Americans killed in the Embassy attacks important. Interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Bobert Date: 10 Apr 04 - 09:02 PM Not exactly BS, Strick.... Over the last 30 years with both Repubs and Dems in the White House it seems the Repubs are winning about 3500 dead Americans to terrorists to less than a 100 dead for the Dems. No matter how one twists the numbers these are the facts. Even when you factor in that the Repubs have possessed the White House more in this time, it still ain't even close.... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Don Firth Date: 10 Apr 04 - 08:29 PM Doug, you miss the point as usual (rather intentionally, obviously). Condi Rice's testimony was anything but satisfactory. She ducked and dodged and talked a blue streak, but not one straight answer to the questions that were put to her. The families of those killed in the attack on the WTO (without whose insistence, the hearings wouldn't have been held in the first place) were not satisfied, and some of them were Republicans. Bloody farce. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: DougR Date: 10 Apr 04 - 08:19 PM I knew it, I knew it! Just a week or so ago most of you folks were lambasting the Bush administration for following the tradition that White House staff members do not testify before commissions of this type. At the time, I predicted that even if Condi Rice testified you complainers wouldn't be satisfied. I regret that I was right. I would much rather have been wrong. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: GUEST,pdc Date: 10 Apr 04 - 01:05 PM This rather astonishing letter initially seems far-fetched, until you look at who wrote it - a Republican woman who had been inside government, and until you remember the old adage, "follow the money." Open Letter to Condi from Catherine Austin Fitts, former Assistant Secretary of Housing: excerpt: "... April 9, 2004 Dear Ms. Rice: I am writing to communicate four points regarding your testimony yesterday under oath before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. Point #1: You are a liar. Attorney General Ashcroft sits on the National Security Council. Warned by his FBI security detail, the head of law enforcement for the United States knew to avoid commercial airlines on September 11, 2001. It was your job as National Security Advisor to make sure that the people who flew on American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77 had the benefit of the same warnings as those they paid to protect us. You knew. You kept silent. They died. You had numerous warnings of the risks of 9-11 – sufficient to let the American people know and use their best judgment as to how to protect themselves from a possible attack. It was your job as National Security Advisor to make sure that the people in the South Tower of the World Trade Center had the knowledge they needed to evacuate their building upon seeing the North Tower hit by a plane. You knew. You kept silent. They died..." Complete Article |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Blackcatter Date: 10 Apr 04 - 12:29 AM And not that I'm a big fan of Clinton either, but at least the Israeli/Palastinian issue was being addressed by his administration. But the simple truth is that if we stopped giving $3 billion+ a year to Israel, started using the U.N. to mediate issues in the Middle East and learn how to not be so reliant on mid-east oil, they would leave us alone. I just wish that Canada could do a corporate takeover of the American government. Hell, Belize could do a better job. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Strick Date: 09 Apr 04 - 11:13 PM "'Cept 9/11 didn't happen on Bill Clinton's watch, Strick. Seems the Arab world gets just a little more pissed off at the US when Repubs are in control. Look back to the Berut bombing that killed over 300 marines. Who was the US president?" Bullshit, Bobert. When did they try to blow up the World Trade Center the first time? What about the US Embassies they attacked? The Cole? If we hadn't gotten lucky and a border guard gotten suspicious, we might be short one bridge over the Golden Gate in San Franscico back in 2000. Selective memory, Bobert or are you getting forgetful in our mutual old age like I am? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Peace Date: 09 Apr 04 - 11:03 PM Who here expected anything but bull? Really. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: GUEST,pdc Date: 09 Apr 04 - 09:30 PM Well, I'd say he's simple, Bobert, but not pure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Bobert Date: 09 Apr 04 - 09:11 PM Well, it's easy to point fingures at "intellegence", for a lack of a better word but Bush, when told by George Tenant to not include those "16 words", went ahead and did it anyway... And lets not forget the inspectors who were in Iraq and making progress... ... or the millions of folks in the streets beggin' Bush to be purdy danged sure he knew what he was doing but... Bush was trigger happy. Pure and simple. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Ebbie Date: 09 Apr 04 - 08:18 PM Dr. Rice might find it fruitful to start laying blame on the specific shoulders of those who gave them this "intelligence". John Dean Compilation: "Bush's statements, in chronological order, were: "Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons." United Nations Address September 12, 2002 "Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons." "We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have." Radio Address October 5, 2002 "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons." "We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas." "We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States." "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" - his nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." Cincinnati, Ohio Speech October 7, 2002 "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent." State of the Union Address January 28, 2003 "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." Address to the Nation March 17, 2003 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Amos Date: 09 Apr 04 - 07:59 PM Condi's talking bit was completely meretricious and as substantive as a hand-tied trout-fly. Sho' is nice she got so larned in deebatin' though... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: Bobert Date: 09 Apr 04 - 07:52 PM 'Cept 9/11 didn't happen on Bill Clinton's watch, Strick. Seems the Arab world gets just a little more pissed off at the US when Repubs are in control. Look back to the Berut bombing that killed over 300 marines. Who was the US president? No, I'm not saying that all the stuff happens under the Repubs but it does appear that the *biggies* do... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: GUEST,pdc Date: 09 Apr 04 - 06:16 PM No, I don't think so. I believe she is just a token and has/had no real power at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Condi Rice Runs out the clock... From: artbrooks Date: 09 Apr 04 - 05:10 PM Ms. Rice neither said anything of any importance nor did she make any revelations. Was anyone really expecting anything else? |
