BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:41 AM

Heard about this on the radio this morning. It seems there was a gap of several months between the alleged incident and the masseuse taking her story to the papers. Contradicted herself several times while talking to different reporters.

She offered her story to The National Enquirer for a million dollars.

O-o-o-o-okay. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 07:30 PM

First of all, Itchy's time table is completely outta "whack"... Opps, sorry, Al...

But really... Three hours to complain about about his schedule before gettin' 'round to tellin' the massauge lady what's hurtin'??? That is just not believable... The entire time line is not believable... If this woman spend what amounts to to be 28 hours with Gore...Either that or Al checked into the hotel, got situated in his room and all this tuff occured in 28 minutes??? Either way, it bullshit!!!

But nevermind Itchy's bullshit time line... Hey, what had Al and Tipster been married??? A hundred years??? Two hunnert??? I mean, even if this massuage lady did everything that ol' Al had ever dreamed of havin' done to him, geeze, folks, it was only a sexual encounter... Who cares... I mean, ain't like I'm into that but I'd like to think that if I got all drunked up on Iron City at a gig and some woman decided to have her way with me that, if that's all I did, I wouldn't think the P-Vine would deevorce me over it.... And, goes the other way, too... People don't thro out a good marriage over one mis-step unless they were just lookin' fir a way out to begin with...

This is a red herring... Like who the fuck (pun intended) cares???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 06:56 PM

BB's automatic assumption is that Al Gore's position on global warming is merely "fear mongering," with the assumption that he's taken that position purely for personal gain.

Gore has been studying and researching this matter for a couple of decades, leading up to the publication of his book Earth in the Balance in 1993. I believe he knows quite a bit more about this matter, complete with scientific documentation, than BB. Have you read his book, Bruce? I didn't think so.

Now, if someone offered me a six-figure fee to speak on a subject that I was very well acquainted with and felt passionate about, I'd sure as hell take it! What, may I ask is reprehensible, or even questionable, about that?

Whatever the domestic problems might be between the Gores is totally irrelevant.

As is anything posted by ichMael.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 02:07 PM

Curb your enthusiasm. The view rumored that Gore is seeing Larry David's ex wife.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 01:16 AM

IchMael, this is a discussion forum. You have your own Website for posting your propaganda. Here we discuss issues and weigh all sides. It's fine to post your stuff here - within the context of a discussion. But sorry, you can't start a new thread every time you want to smear somebody. The liberals aren't allowed to do that, either.
Oh, and mind yer manners, willya?

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 12:29 AM

Obviously Icky, you are jealous you can't get anything up to stroke..............


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: ichMael
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 11:47 PM

What horseshit. You're just another Gore apologist. Stroke that big boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 11:40 PM

IchMael, your latest thread seemed to fit with the existing Al Gore discussion. No need to start a new thread.

-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: BS: Al Gore -- crazed sex poodle
From: ichMael
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 11:23 PM

Climategate.

Subject: BS: Al Gore -- allegations of sexual impropriety
From: Genie
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 11:18 PM

I won't weigh in on this unless and until there is more sound evidence of wrongdoing on Gore's part. But I will say this: If this happened the way the masseuse claims, it is likely it was not an isolated incident but more along the lines of the kinds of things Bob Packwood and Arnold Schwarzenegger (not to mention Bill Clinton )have been accused of, and there will be other claimants coming forward.

Of course, Gore could have been drunk on his ass (It's been known to happen).

But there are also rumors out there that this woman is asking $1 million from The Inquirer for her "story." That would introduce yet another plot-thickening element.

At any rate, dear ichMael, what the heck do Gore's sexual proclivities have to do with the credibility of his books or research on climate change? All of those things are subject to independent, unbiased scientific verification or rejection on the merits of the data themselves. We do not judge the validity of "global warning" theories and warnings on the basis of "consider the source." That's not how science works.

Subject: BS: Al Gore -- crazed sex poodle
From: ichMael
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 10:54 PM

0:00 — Detective Molly Daul introduces herself and Slavica Bubic from the Sexual Assault Detail Advocacy Program.

2:00 — Woman describes request for massage from Hotel Lucia, her background.

6:00 — She says Al Gore registered at hotel as "Mr. Stone."

9:00 — Woman describes meeting Gore at his hotel room door.

10:00 — "Hug seemed to last just a bit too long for a casual hug," she says.

14:00 — Gore tells woman of a grueling travel schedule.

17:00 — Woman describes the work she will perform on people's abdominal area.

20:00 — "What has become clear to you lately?" Gore asks the woman.

21:00 — Woman says Gore asked her to massage lower on his body. "I was shocked and did not massage beyond what is considered a safe, not-sexual area of the abdomen," she says.

22:00 — Woman says Gore placed her hand at his pubic area and yelled at her when she removed it.

25:00 — Woman says she feared complaining about Gore to the police because she wouldn't be believed or to the hotel because she could lose future work.

28:00 — Gore holds woman in a hug. She tells Gore that he is "being a crazed sex poodle."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_release_tape_of_portlan.html

And he wants to monitor MY emissions?

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 01:52 AM

Just for the record

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 11:08 PM

Joke 'em, if they can't take a fuck!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: mousethief
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 10:57 PM

Learned it from ichMael.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 10:42 PM

Guest - You spend WAY too much time worrying about other peoples sex lives. Why?

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 10:31 PM

They're both crooked, fat and ugly...and have stupid opinions that they lie about. Who cares?

Maybe Tipper caught him on the internet,that he invented,watching porno and crying because "He just couldn't get it up for Tipper like that!"

...and Tipper was denied a pass to watch Tiger play.....after he assured her, at the bar, that he'd give her a pass!....she just took it wrong!
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 08:14 PM

Tipper...canoodling? With Tyler, too?

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: mousethief
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 03:54 PM

I hear that Gore caught Tipper messing around.....










































with the thermostat.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 02:28 PM

Hey Spaw - any luck hunting down Tipper? Now that he's free and obviously rich I have decided to send Al a banjo. If he learns to play it...well who knows. Maybe I'll be rich too.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 01:28 PM

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 12:18 PM

I care about the truth, as shown by the facts.

Unlike many here that seem to care only for their partisan positions, regardless of the facts ON BOTH SIDES.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: mousethief
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 12:56 AM

So basically, you started a thread bitching about Al Gore making money by warning people about global climate change, springboarding off the fact he's getting a divorce, because you find it so unfair that people believe him and not the oil companies when he says that carbon emissions affect global temperatures?

Is this your only hobby?

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 08:31 PM

The simple answer for BB is to get a life and stop trolling.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 08:25 PM

Get some rest, Bruce... we have a festival to do in 2 days. (I am gonna quit reading this as of NOW!)

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 08:23 PM

The one thing I had not thought of you being is dishonest, Bruce- deluded, yes, fretful, yes, boneheaded, well.... But these statements to my mind are, as Amos might say, pure dee dishonest:



Claim: "They insist that by draconian control ( by themselves) they can STOP it. They make NO attempt to deal with the results- they concentrate ENTIRELY on "stopping the rising tide".

Untrue. Either you never heard him nor read what he had to say, or your memory is poor and very selective but neither part of that sentence is true.

Claim: "But Saint Al says just give him and his ilk control, tranfer wealth to the pooer countries ( who are doing what basic research?) and he will make it all better."

Untrue, slanderous, libelous claptrap.

Claim: "A pure scam, IMHO." If the above is what you really believe, then I can see why you would think of it that way. You can own your opinion- but the facts do not support it.

Claim: "I was told that the reason to ignore any contrary facts was because they were being put out by "rich evil energy companies?"

Without going through dozens of posts I cannot label this statement as untrue, but I VERY (As you would say "yelling") much doubt it. Come on: Are you saying that's a direct quote?

So. I guess I will add 'dishonest' to the list.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 08:21 PM

It seem that your definition of double-standards is that there is not a one-to-one comparison of issues involving opposing sides....even when the situations are not directly comparable. ...OR when someone...such as I... totally missed the posts and events that so upset you. I don't remember you being told such things. Every issue needs to be evaluated on its own.."Bush did 'X'" or he didn't...Gore made money under suspicious conditions...or he didn't. We can (sort of) debate that, but your demands that we have a META-debate over whether my 'side' indulges in sufficient self-criticism is impossible in this forum. You just wave your arms and STATE that you are outnumbered and treated badly, and therefore.....ummmm... your side wins by default?

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 07:49 PM

BillD,

So where were you when I was told that the reason to ignore any contrary facts was because they were being put out by "rich evil energy companies?"

It seems you had no idea that was silly, from your comments.

I object to the double standards here. If YOU want to think that it is fair to keep two sets of books on facts (one on those you agree wuithm that MUST be accepted uncritically, and one on those facts you choose to ignore because you don't like what they say), feel free- but that is NOT how science works.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 07:38 PM

It's NOT a 'scam' just because YOU disagree with the focus.

And it is my contention that the measures Gore & others suggest will be good for the world, no matter what the details of the causes are!

Whether he has made money is flatly not relevant to whether his ideas and suggestion are sensible. He is not DOING the actual monitoring and calculation, but rather digesting the data supplied by competent science. The way you are evaluating the value of his 'scheme' by linking it to his money and whether WE **see** how unfair 'conservative' rich folks are treated is just....ummmm.... silly.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 06:55 PM

Ebbie,

You miss the point.

Al Gore and his GW group are NOT trying to get us to adjust to the change- they insist that by draconian control ( by themselves) they can STOP it. They make NO attempt to deal with the results- they concentrate ENTIRELY on "stopping the rising tide".

THAT is what I object to. GW may be real, and all evidence I have seen indicates it is NOT due primarily to man-made effects. But Saint Al says just give him and his ilk control, tranfer wealth to the pooer countries ( who are doing what basic research?) and he will make it all better.

A pure scam, IMHO.

And I am told that since he is not an evil energy company, he gets no benefit from that control and wealth.

Pardon me if I doubt some peoples' sanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 06:44 PM

"...GAINED BY GORE IN PUSHING HIS FEAR-MONGERING."

bb, I thought that you yourself are so convinced of the fact of global warming/climate change, whether man caused or exacerbated, that you think it essential that humankind take steps *now* to modify our behavior and our lifestyles and our places of abode in order to ameliorate the effects of GW/CC, to the fullest possible extent for the purpose of surviving the catastrophe?

So where does 'fear-mongering' come in? Surely, surely, if we have to make such drastic changes *now*, the word has to be spread *now*?

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 06:33 PM

$99M.... fuuuuudge. I wish I could come up with a hairbrained scheme like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 06:22 PM

"by a desire to sow the seeds of doubt and confusion in the debate"


Like Gore did.


The fact of the divorce is meaningless to the discussion.( look at the original title, "BS: Spreading fear and panic pays!". IMHO, the present title is LESS indicative of the intent of the thread. It is NOPT about the divorce, but about the wealth GAINED BY GORE IN PUSHING HIS FEAR-MONGERING.

I quoted the article to bring out the point that Al Gore went from $1 million to $100 million net worth primarily based on his GW fear mongering.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Skivee
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 06:16 PM

"The answer is no- YET THE FACTS THEY PUT FORWARD were not allowed, because they made money ( Like Saint AL.).

SO GORE SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME WAY"
In my readings the facts that the "evil energy companies" ,as you put it, have put out have largely been based not on scientific study of climate change, but by a desire to sow the seeds of doubt and confusion in the debate. This is separate from legitamate GW doubters whose opposing views should be respectfully examined and some few times have not been. The "EEC" claims strike me as being very similar to the Tobacco Institute claims that tobacco products don't cause cancer.
I still don't see where YOU have revealed that Al Gore did anything wrong or unethical, or that his divorce will be a watershed in revealing those unworthy deeds. Is his fault that you disagree with him?
I may comment further once I'm through with band practice

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 05:55 PM

Skivee,

Have the "evil energy companies who brought up facts about GW made some public statement that they have taken a vow of poverty, and have they broken that vow?


The answer is no- YET THE FACTS THEY PUT FORWARD were not allowed, because they made money ( Like Saint AL.).

SO GORE SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME WAY.

Facts should be looked at REGARDLESS of who presents them- but that seems beyound the capability of many here that insist on different rules for those they agree with than for those that they disagree with.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Skivee
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 05:33 PM

I think this is the part you wish me to consider
"I have been told here on Mudcat that I could not question Gore's motive, since he was not getting any benefit from the Cluimate change fear-mongering, and the evil people that opposed him would somehow make money ( even though the claim was that Green was profitable)."

Has Al Gore made some public statement that he has taken a vow of poverty, and has he broken that vow?
The stats you provide seem to imply that he made all those $millions by selling stuff about the global Climate change dealy, that his Academy award, Grammy and communications network are somehowsigns of corruption on his part. If I understand your point, then I don't see that it's a point.

"So as the Gores head toward splitsville with their fame and fortune to boot, it seems more money may be more problems when they head to court." What problems were you suggesting?
Anything that would affect the public? Or are you saying that as a rich couple in a divorce, things may get compliacted? Where is the scandal that has you so worked up?

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 03:37 PM

See my post of 02 Jun 10 - 03:00 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Skivee
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 03:27 PM

I am slamming those on Mudcat who insist on different rules for those they support than the rules they insisted on applying to those they disagree with.

I thought you were posting this to reveal something nefarious about Al Gore that had previously been hidden, but now was revealed by the Gore divorce announcement; and I didn't understand what that was supposed to be. I'm still confused by that.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 02:30 PM

So you agree those here that stated facts should not be looked at if the person putting them forward gained by the viewpoint expressed?

THAT is the question- the money BEHIND BOTH sides should NOT be used to ignore facts- as many here insisted.



I am slamming those on Mudcat who insist on different rules for those they support than the rules they insisted on applying to those they disagree with.

Any OTHER statemnent of MY view is a lie, false, and will be treated with the disgust that the person presenting it deserves.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Skivee
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 02:10 PM

Bruce, you seem to be slasmming St. Al because he has been a successful businessman while promoting attention to a situation that most scientists I know believe exists, but that many of us normal joes tend to ignore.( please pardon the run-on sentence.)
What part of his perported millions were made illegally? Is the fact that he made money immoral? Did he violate some public trust? My favoprite photo of St. Al is the one where he's wearing a loincloth and those gute wire rimmed glasses while sitting crossed-legged at his spinning wheel.
Did he promise that he would not make money while promoting knowledge of global climate change? Is the money he made a direct result of his global climate change speachafying? $199 Million on the rubber chicken circuit for showing a slide show???
Damn, I'm in the wrong business.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 01:41 PM

" call him a crook for his dishonesty. "

This is refering to MouseCrook.



He is being dishonest about MY statements.

The point that those who opposed Gore were making money, so their facts can be ignored, while Innocent Saint Al ( making money hand over fist) is to be taken on faith.

THAT was what was presented here, in support of telling any who disagreed with Goreists they were wrong. The FACTS that were presented were dismissed out of hand, because those presenting those facts were making money.

But that ONLY applied to one side- hence the dishonesty.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 01:31 PM

...and his dishonesty being what?
What is it that's dishonest about Al Gore, Bruce?
That he received income for much of the work he's done?

Do you work pro bono?
Come to think of it, I do - but hey, I'm different. I'm retired.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 01:06 PM

Hw e calls me a hater, when I disagree with Gore's supposed "facts"

I call him a crook for his dishonesty.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 12:56 PM

Chongo says that you are all a bunch of sissies here with your whining about personal attacks, and that if he was to personally attack you, then you'd really KNOW you'd been personally attacked.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 12:50 PM

Is calling Mousethief, "Mousecrook", not a personal attack then?

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 12:43 PM

Mousecrook,

"Using his divorce as an excuse "\

I used the stated facts that AL GORE MADE A LOT OF MONEY pushing his fear-mongoring agenda. Since THAT ( income) is the reason stated for not allowing any anti-Goreist statements in other arguements in the GW debate, I think it has some relevance-

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 12:40 PM

"Gore obviously has income from family sources, "

" The most recent figure predicted in 2007 by Fast Company was more than $100 million. Before the 2000 election they predicted the family's net worth was closer to $1 million."




I wish I had that kind of "family"...

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 02:08 AM

So Bruce......Comparing Gore to big oil is not a personal attack but comparing you to a Twinkie is?

I know a mod removed it what with the delicacies needed around here but seriously.......Its ludicrous for me to compare you to a Twinkie.....really, it is! However your comparison of Gore to big oil is also non-starter then isn't it?

Hey IckyMicky! Aren't you working on some blog or something about the insanity of Mudcat or something? Here's another web page to start for you!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 10:15 PM

I think it's a fitting tribute to Gore that his enemies expend so much hot air talking about him. They probably have increased the overall planetary atmospheric warmth by at least .01°C.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:59 PM

The sad damn thing is that it is 'almost' required to have a lot of personal wealth and/or connections in order to seriously run for president. Harry Truman was an anomaly.

Gore was executor of his father's estate, and 'inherited' some Occidental stock, but never used it, and the shares were sold after the estate was settled.

Gore obviously has income from family sources, as well as speaking engagements. I've been following Gore for 15 years as he wrote about environmental issues, and I see that as totally separate from most of his income.

Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce?
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:58 PM

I fail to see how I have attacked Gore personnaly.

I believe the term is "kicking a man when he's down." Using his divorce as an excuse to shout about how much you disagree with his assessment of global climate change, as if it's the least bit relevant. You wanted to have a go at Gore and this gave you a handy excuse.

I acknowledge that you have no valid arguements to make.

If you think that about Spaw you're stupider than your posts here let on.

PS
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