Tony Rose

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: GeorgeH
Date: 09 Feb 00 - 06:12 AM

Sorry to follow-up myself but I remembered where Dick Gaughan's comments on CM's purchase of the Leader/Trailer catalogue were made. (DejaNews/Remarq users who want to see this in context should search uk.music.folk for a thread titled "ethnic flagellation" - and may want to expand their search out from there).

This is what Gaughan says:

When the question of CM purchasing the Leader stuff came up, I was asked for my opinion. Given that the alternative was probably purchase by some institution or other from across the pond my view was that it was vital that it remain somewhere in the UK as it was a vital part of our culture(s) and was an irreplacable archive of a unique period of musical exploration and development; it would have been a tragedy were it to be taken elsewhere. Were I asked the same question by anyone today, I would offer the same view.

As I had, at that time, no real reason for doubting that CM was run by honourable people with reasonable motives, my advice was to buy it and make it available on CD, the complete catalogue. To do anything other made no sense whatever to me and the subsequent witholding left me a bit stunned, to be euphimistic, and scratching my head in vain attempts to discover anything remotely resembling logic, of either business or ethical varieties.

The sum of my knowledge regarding the actual content of the purchase was that it comprised the entire Leader and Trailer catalogues which John Zollman had bought, either directly from Bill or from the company Bill had sold it to. (The latter, I suspect.)

To my knowledge (which is probably not complete) it included masters, contracts and existing stock, mainly vinyl - hence, I presume, the obsession with vinyl sales.

G.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: GeorgeH
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 12:14 PM

Doctor John: I don't know the story for certain, but my recollection is that whoever then owned the rights to the Leader/Trailer catalogue simply went bust, at which point the receivers would sell the assets - the stocks of vinyl, the rights, everything - to the highest bidder. Bill Leader would have no say in it. However I have an idea Bill had sold on the rights before then.

I imagine Pete Coe could confirm/correct this, as could Dick Gaughan.

And, to be fair, when Dave Bulmer bought up all this stuff no-one knew he was going to simply sit on it for ever!

G.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 08:04 PM

Strewth - when I saw this thread I thought he must have died or something, which wouldn't be right.

For a page with a list of records and a few pictures (he's a bit older than the one at the top, but aren't we all).Click here: Tony Rose

As has been said, he was on great form and good voice at Sidmouth, and he's getting round a bit more these days. He's never stopped singing, but the showbiz side of it got up his nose, what with the the travelling and that, and shits like the aforementioned Dave Bulmer.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 01:44 PM

He was at the Haddenham folk day last Dec as well, looking good, still sounding fantastic and doing a bit of touring, as he has just retired from being a teacher. He still wears the corduroy jacket with leather patches on the elbows though.....

LTS

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: Doctor John
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 01:38 PM

George, Information very welcome to many I'm sure. I'm repeating what I've already said on a Nic Jones thread. Bill Leader must have been a sort of English Allan Lomax - an ear for the best material and a machine to record it. But - Why did he sell to CM, did he sell direct to them and why won't he comment on this disgraceful matter? Dr John

Subject: Celtic Music UK: Was RE: Tony Rose
From: GeorgeH
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 05:44 AM

I'm surprised no-one has furnished this info. to date . .

Tony is one of many UK artists whose recordings (on Leader/Trailer) fell into the hands of a UK company called Celtic Music, under the "capable" ownership of one Dave Bulmer. Who has repeatedly refused requests to re-issue on CD. The most immoral instance of this has been in regard to Nic Jones; I think I posted part of that saga (the Bandoggs recording) on a Nic Jones thread here quite recently.

Some more recent CM signings were stuffed by the company failing to promote the recordings they'd made for them; a number of these were under fixed-length contracts to CM which prevented them from recording elsewhere. In effect, this led to a gap of several years in releases from these artists; some "combos" hit by this effect had split up before their CM contracts expired.

So at one and the same time CM managed to render a large and important part of the development of today's UK folk music totally out of the reach of those coming to the music for the first time (the Leader/Trailer catalogue) and restrict the recording opportunities of some very significant newer performers within the genre.

Tony Rose's recent CD recording is (largely??) a re-work of some of his material which is lost in the vaults of CM. (BTW Tony was also a member of Bandoggs. And was in very fine voice when we heard him at Sidmouth last year.)

G.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: Sunley
Date: 06 Feb 00 - 06:19 PM

refreshing this thread with the news that Tony Rose was one of many fine guests at the Cheltenham Folk Festival (UK) Feb 2000, and received a very warm reception. He has cut a CD called "Bare Bones". See here for ordering details.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: Smeebes
Date: 25 Jan 99 - 07:31 PM

I heard (in about May 1998) that Tony was doing some touring. I just missed him at Swindon,U.K. There is a Tony Rose discography building up at www.sarcon.demon.co.uk/engfolk/tonyrose.htm but it is far from complete.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: Doctor John
Date: 11 Jun 98 - 02:34 PM

Thanks for replies. I had not come across the albums "On The Banks of Green Willow" or "Poor Fellows" beofre: more to look out for. And thanks Roger: an unlikely sounding site but excellent listing. I've ordered "Under The Greenwood Tree" as well as the "Bandoggs" album I was looking for. I'll keep searching their listings.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: Martin Ryan.
Date: 03 Jun 98 - 08:06 PM

Tony's version of "William Gower" (usually called "The Waterford Sea Captain" in Ireland) blew my mind when I first heard it.

Mind you, there was a funny consequence.It was the first song I sang at the Goleen Singers Club, in Dublin, many years ago. There was the usual excellent attention as I sang and when I finished, there was a slight hush before a round of applause. "Great", I thought, "they really seemed to enjoy that." It wasn't until months after that I realised all it meant was that they knew versions with at least one more part to the story - and were waiting for me to sing it!

Regards

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: jehill
Date: 03 Jun 98 - 07:12 PM

I've not seen a web page anywhere for Tony Rose so he may not be on the "net". However if you were to contact his erstwhile Bandoggs colleague Pete Coe whose web page is http://www.backshift.demon.co.uk/petehome.htm I'm sure he would tell you what Tony is doing these days.
Regards
John

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: Roger Himler
Date: 03 Jun 98 - 06:25 PM

Doctor John

I was led aa month or two ago to the following site, www.rockinworld.com. (Maybe one day I'll learn how to imbed a URL so you can just click on the blue letters. I do have the little HTML instruction site bookmarked.)

They sell used CD's and LP's by mail. Despite their URL, they list many folk titles (folk is listed as a separate category).

I checked just now, and they list one Tony Rose LP, "Under the Greenwood Tree." They have two copies for sale. I do not know how often they update their list.

I used them once to purchase an obscure album. They ask collector's prices. It is not a bargain bin. I was pleased with their service.

Enjoy the music!!

Roger in Baltimore

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: Doctor John
Date: 03 Jun 98 - 05:35 PM

Thanks for the information: I haven't contacted Tony yet but will in the future. Track listing useful. Does anyone know of any second hand record dealers from where I can get his LP's please: and any other Trailer or Broadside records?

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: jehill
Date: 01 Jun 98 - 03:41 PM

I have an LP by Tony called "Poor Fellows". Its on Dingles records. No DIN 324 Track listing:
The Yarmouth Tragedy
The Bonny Light Horseman
Clerk Sanders
Down where the drunkards roll
The Tree Bells (Jimmy Brown)
The Recruiting Rergeant
Boots of Spanish Leather
Us Poor Fellows
Tom the Barber
The Dark-eyed Sailor
Bampton Fair

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: Susan of DT
Date: 31 May 98 - 03:26 PM

I have a record of his: On the Banks of Green Willow (LER2101) that I got in 1981. It has:
Twas one April Morning
Bold Archer
Fanny Blair
Polly Vaugn
Murdered Servantman
Banks of Green Willow
Lord Randall
Bonny Hind
Sir William Gower
Fourteenth of July

Subject: RE: Tony Rose
From: Paul Jay
Date: 29 May 98 - 10:43 PM

Dr John Tony used to live (and as far as I know still does) in one of those tiny little English villages in Somerset called Odcome. Its between Yeovil and Crewcerne. I havent talked to him in years, but this might get you started. Try English brand of records "Trailer" Cheers & Good Luck

Subject: Tony Rose
From: Doctor John
Date: 29 May 98 - 05:20 PM

Does anyone know anything about Tony Rose or the recordings he made. I only have one "Young Hunting" Excellent stuff. Are you out there Tony? Information please.