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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Aug 12 - 01:11 PM either ignorant of history or is deliberately trying to deceive, i.e, either an ignoramus or a liar. Or possibly both. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: pdq Date: 29 Aug 12 - 12:14 PM It is an art worthy the knowledge and patience of a wise man. - The Compleat Angler, Izaak Walton You will find angling to be like the virtue of humility, which has a calmness of spirit and a world of other blessings attending upon it. - The Compleat Angler, Izaak Walton |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: GUEST,999 Date: 29 Aug 12 - 09:48 AM Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat all day and drink beer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 29 Aug 12 - 07:42 AM Now back to Hoover. And fishing. You what they say about teaching a man to fish. And just giving him one. I think we should all fish more. And talk less. (:-( ))= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Bobert Date: 28 Aug 12 - 10:30 PM Right, Don... The War was the largest of the stimuluses but FDR's prior stimuluses were working just fine... Until '37 when he was badgered in cutting back by the Republicans who, like todays, were sick and tired of success... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Don Firth Date: 28 Aug 12 - 10:21 PM "We got out of the Depression due to the bombs dropped on Pearl." This is a stock mantra that the Right Wing uses about FDR. And it's a blatant lie! The Depression was well over by the late 1930s. I was a kid, but I was THERE, dammit, and I remember quite well! And THEN (1941), the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Anyone who repeats this "Roosevelt ended the Depression by starting World War II" canard is either ignorant of history or is deliberately trying to deceive, i.e, either an ignoramus or a liar. So take your choice! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Rapparee Date: 28 Aug 12 - 09:31 PM Given the mess he inherited, I think George Washington was a good President. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: GUEST,999 Date: 28 Aug 12 - 09:04 PM He had some smarts if what he wrote has any bearing on this thread: 'On Fishing "Tis the chance to wash one's soul with pure air, with the rush of the brook, or with the shimmer of the sun on the blue water. It brings meekness and inspiration from the decency of nature, charity toward tackle makers, patience toward fish, a mockery of profits and egos, a quieting of hate, a rejoicing that you do not have to decide a darned thing until next week. And it is discipline in the equality of men, for all men are equal before fish."' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Bobert Date: 28 Aug 12 - 08:19 PM Hate to bring facts into the discussion, pdq, but... ...unemployment came down in '33, came down more in '34, came down more in '35, came down more in '36 and 'was coming down even more in '37 until the effects of austerity hit... But don't believe me... Google up "unemployment 1930s" and check out the charts and graphs... The stats don't lie... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: GUEST,kendall Date: 28 Aug 12 - 08:19 PM I got some of my history from republican teachers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: pdq Date: 28 Aug 12 - 08:04 PM Henry Morgenthau, Jr was the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury during the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt. In 1939 Morgenthau said: "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work....After eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started...and an enormous debt to boot!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Aug 12 - 06:42 PM I suppose without Hoover you wouldn't have had Roosevelt, so on balance he was pretty good for the USA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Bobert Date: 28 Aug 12 - 04:54 PM Had Hoover taken Keynes advice, rather than ram austerity down the countries throats, the recovery would have begun sooner... FDR not only listened to Keynes but followed his advice... The lone exception is 1937 when the conservatives harassed FDR into austerity and the recovery stalled... Thems are the facts... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Greg F. Date: 28 Aug 12 - 04:44 PM We got out of the Depression due to the bombs dropped on Pearl. One of the more persistent right-wing fairytales long since conclusively disproved. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: pdq Date: 28 Aug 12 - 04:13 PM "Hoover might have been bright but his biggest problem is that he didn't understand basic economics..." ~ B-pert True, but his big mistake was looking for advice about the economy from fans of Maynard Keynes. Yes, a the darling of Liberals. Hoover followed the new whiz kid's advice and started huge Fedral projects and Federal spending. Called "pump priming" at the time. He also raised the Federal income tax maximum from 35% to 63%! Roosevelt kept doing the same things when he took over and got the same results: the economy got worse. We got out of the Depression due to the bombs dropped on Pearl. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: GUEST,olddude Date: 28 Aug 12 - 04:12 PM I still like the vacuum cleaner :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Don Firth Date: 28 Aug 12 - 03:28 PM I. Q. is kind of like a lawn mower. Bill and Bob are neighbors. Bill owns an expensive power mower with all the accessories. Bob owns a mower of the hand-push variety. Bill's lawn looks like a jungle. Bob's lawn looks like a golf course. Having a high I. Q. is a good thing, but that's far from the whole story. It's what one DOES with it that counts. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Don Firth Date: 28 Aug 12 - 03:15 PM Hoover campaign slogan: "Two chickens in every pot, two cars in every garage!" Not so's anyone much noticed. At least until Roosevelt got in and his "alphabet agencies," like the WPA and the CCC, kicked in and put people (25% unemployment) back to work. Roosevelt figured that the way to get the economy running again was to put people to work and earning wages. That would get money circulating again because, unlike the wealthy who were sitting on their riches, they would have to spend it—on things like food and rent. At the same time, they would be building bridges, highways, and other infrastructure that the country needed. It worked. The Right Wing has hated Roosevelt's guts ever since. Mr. Obama, please read up on Roosevelt. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Aug 12 - 03:09 PM I think you could draw an interesting comparison between Jimmy Carter and Herbert Hoover. Both were engineers, and both were seen as ineffectual but well-meaning Presidents. And both accomplished remarkable things after their presidential terms had ended. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Bobert Date: 28 Aug 12 - 03:07 PM IQ, as a test of one's ability to learn and think, is a joke... Most teachers don't care about those numbers one bit and most teachers don't even think the test is at all reliable... At least that's the way it was when I was a teacher (2 years - 5/6 combination, 2 years - jailhouse GED, 1 year - H.S. American History)... Hoover might have been bright but his biggest problem is that he didn't understand basic economics... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Greg F. Date: 28 Aug 12 - 02:13 PM Nor are IQ and demonstrated intelligence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: pdq Date: 28 Aug 12 - 01:53 PM Adams, Madison and Jefferson were Founding Fathers and have a special place in history. After that, it may surprise people to know that the three most intelligent modern presidents were... Calvin Coolidge Herbert Hoover Richard Nixon Note: IQ and success are not the same thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Rapparee Date: 28 Aug 12 - 01:50 PM Presidents of the last twenty years who had a lick of good sense: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: pdq Date: 28 Aug 12 - 01:48 PM Subject: RE: BS: Question on McCain's academy record From: pdq - PM Date: 13 Sep 08 - 06:37 PM List of presidents by date who were exceptionally bright (= high IQ): (last century): John Adams James Madison Thomas Jefferson Abraham Lincoln (20th Century) Teddy Rooseveldt William H. Taft Woodrow Wilson Calvin Coolidge Herbert Hoover Franklin Rooseveldt Dwight Eisenhower Richard Nixon George H. W. Bush Bill Clinton |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Joe_F Date: 28 Aug 12 - 01:28 PM "When, at Rapid City, S.D., on August 2, 1927, [Coolidge] loosed the occult words, "I do not choose to run in 1928," was it prescience or only luck? For one, I am inclined to put it down to luck.... He showed not the slightest sign that he smelt black clouds ahead; on the contrary, he talked and lived only sunshine. There was a volcano boiling under him, but he did not know it, and was not singed. When it burst forth at last, it was Hoover who got its blast, and was fried, boiled, roasted and fricasseed. How Dr. Coolidge must have chuckled in his retirement, for he was not without humor of a sad, necrotic kind. He knew Hoover well, and could fathom the full depths of the joke." -- H. L. Mencken. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: olddude Date: 28 Aug 12 - 01:23 PM I have, even on the steps one time and once at a library ... but then I was young and wild .. not timid and mild mannered as I am now :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Bobert Date: 28 Aug 12 - 12:53 PM Did they do it standing up, Rap??? B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Little Hawk Date: 28 Aug 12 - 12:36 PM Chongo would never sink that low. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Little Hawk Date: 28 Aug 12 - 12:19 PM In a broom closet??? Incredible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: olddude Date: 28 Aug 12 - 11:12 AM I once asked my grandpa why he never voted republican. He said "I once did, I voted for Hoover, I never make the same mistake twice, he fished while the country starved" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: pdq Date: 28 Aug 12 - 10:15 AM "FDR had some respect for him; during his administration he ordered that the new Boulder Dam be named Hoover Dam." No, FDR changed the name from Hoover Dam to Boulder Dam to spite Republicans. The name was restored after FDR died. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Rapparee Date: 28 Aug 12 - 10:10 AM Warren G. Harding not only admitted that he didn't belong in the Presidency, but he kept his teen-age mistress, Nan Britton, in the White House. They had trysts in a convenient broom closet. There were a few political scandals during his administration. Truly one of America's most unforgettable Presidents! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Bobert Date: 28 Aug 12 - 09:11 AM Hoover, like today's Republican's, thought that the best way to deal with a depression/recession was "austerity"... That proved to be a flawed policy then and it is a flawed policy now... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: kendall Date: 28 Aug 12 - 08:48 AM Why is a gossipy woman like a vacuum cleaner? They bot purr and suck up the dirt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: olddude Date: 28 Aug 12 - 08:14 AM Yes cause he made one Hell of a good vacuum cleaner. I had a hoover and it ran for years |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 28 Aug 12 - 07:51 AM It's successful. Not sucessful. And you a teacher. Pshaw!!! (:-( P)= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: kendall Date: 28 Aug 12 - 07:09 AM Hoover inherited the mess caused by the non regulation of the wall st thieves. Coolidge saw what was coming and refused to run again. Hoover was very good at rebuilding Europe after WW 1, but he gets no credit for that. FDR had some respect for him; during his administration he ordered that the new Boulder Dam be named Hoover Dam. How many republicans would do that for a Democrat? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 28 Aug 12 - 05:24 AM Hoover. Damn. (:-( O)= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: GUEST Date: 27 Aug 12 - 11:30 PM Herbert Hoover was elected 'round Nashville Herbert Hoover was elected 'round Nashville Herbert Hoover was elected, Al Smith was rejected But he's much more respected 'round Nashville. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Rapparee Date: 27 Aug 12 - 11:04 PM God, Bobert! Can't you think of someone else? Like W? Or Taft? Or Nixon? |
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Subject: BS: Herbert Hoover: A Sucessful President... From: Bobert Date: 27 Aug 12 - 10:50 PM Well??? |
