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BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus

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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 01:10 AM

He's got dual British & Canadian citizenship.

'aven't you, Bill?


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 10:29 PM

Well, DougR... If it's the United Sates then I'll offer the same thing to dumbass Martin Gibson...

... a battle of the bands fir gettin' the heck outta Iraq...

Hey, I'll go anywhere... Just me and T-Flat.... Yeah, T looses and he calls Bush up and says, "Hey, better get theheck out..."

Ain't playin' no battle of the bands in his mom's livin' room wid all his friends there/...

Gonna have to be nuetral site... I'll even do it Texas 'long as folks don't know the stakes...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 10:22 PM

Well, I reckon the reason that I'd had a PM from Terriblwe was that he's made reference to my "retirement" somewhere and I figgurated that Terrible wouldn't show a level of humanity on an actaul thread, there fir the cyber-world to see...

I mean, folks would be sayin stuff like, "Ahhh, T ain't a bad guy.... He said something actaully human to the Bobert..."

But, alas, it mnusta happened in an actual post????

Go figure??? T-Jerk in an un-jerk momemnt... Sniff...

Now he'll go and deny that, too...

Go figgure??? Need a team of shrinks fir that boy...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 05:51 PM

Well, I know I've PM'd you a few times, Wolfgang. We were discussing "Russian Campaign" and various other things. I can't remember if I've PM'd Bobert, but it seems probable.

My father frequently tells stories about things that never happened...or at least didn't happen anywhere near the way he's telling it...and he believes every word of it too...even as he says it. I'm not talking mere exaggeration or embellishment here, I'm talking total absolute 100% BS.

It used to drive me crazy. Now I shrug, and just let him enjoy telling his stories to people.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Wolfgang
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 05:39 PM

What a fine thread for studying recollections.
Ebbie's slip is very common (I'm sure I also couldn't list all Mudcatters I have pmed with without checking files first) but there's no way a failure of recollection can be called a lie in any meaningful sense.
Bobert's false recollection is much more interesting because it is rarer. Of all the errors of memory by far most are forgetting something that has happened, only a very small percentage is a 'recollection' of something that has never happened.
The I actually exchanged a couple of PM's with him back then is a very rare gem both for the strong subjective feeling of certainty ("actually") and for the wrong recollection of repeated occurence ("couple of").

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 12:27 PM

Is he your alter ego mayhap? Horse puckey.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: DougR
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 12:04 PM

I know where Teribus lives and it ain't Australia. It ain't the U.K. either. He also has a fine band and an excellent singing voice.

Where does he live? Well as that late great American patriot, William Rehnquist, former Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court said to the press a few months before he died, "That's for me to know and you to find out." :>)

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Nov 05 - 07:53 PM

Teribus isn't the only cad in this forum!! (blows the smoke from the end of his pistol)


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Nov 05 - 07:43 PM

BANG!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Nov 05 - 02:10 PM

..."Two...."


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: pdq
Date: 14 Nov 05 - 01:54 PM

I believe Davey Moore died after a boxing match with Emil Griffith, not sure. Long time ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Nov 05 - 01:32 PM

Yes, well...(*ahem)...moving on...

5. When Adam dug and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?

Assuming that Adam and Eve were actual physical beings (which I doubt...I think they are symbolic or allegorical figures representing the whole human race in its early stages), the concept embodied in the term "gentleman" had not yet been conceived of at that time, therefore the question is irrelevant.

6. Who killed Kit Marlowe? Amy Robsart? Cock Robin? Davey Moore?

Who killed Kit Marlowe? Ha! Elementary, Watson. Sawney Bean? Quite possibly. Marlowe may have gone for an excursion, a sort of walkabout in the area where the Bean clan were wreaking their hideous attacks upon the locals, and been murdered, pickled, and eaten by those wretches. On the other hand, it may have been a common cutpurse in the streets of London wot did it. Or it could have been an acute attack of shingles.

Amy Robsart? What killed her was the 3rd step from the bottom.

Cock Robin? Carried off by a chicken hawk.

Davey Moore? Killed by an obscure ex-patriate Cuban boxer, technically speaking, but can he be assigned the entire blame? Hardly. Ask Bob Dylan to expound on that.

7. In light of recent revelations, who was the only woman in North American that JFK did not have an affair with?

My mother.

8. The Franklin Expedition was a damned good idea. Discuss.

Bloody right! The Franklin expedition was a simply ripping good idea. After all, Franklin had to demonstrate the manly British qualities which are: a stiff upper lip (easily achieved in temperatures like 50 below zero!), bloody-minded determination and perseverance in the face of all reason, single-minded devotion to duty, self-sacrifice in service of the Empire, abstinence from the pleasures of the flesh, dour unemotionalism when under severe stress (refer to stiff upper lip above), unwillingness to admit to making an error, and PRESSING ON, BY JOVE! He did all of that and more. If he had the chance to do it again, he would. This is the kind of thing that won England an Empire and thoroughly annoyed less advanced people all over the world in the process.

9. Field Marshall Douglas Haig was the best general Britian ever had. True or false? And explain yourself.

Ummmm...well...(cough, cough)...yes...ummm...I feel that General Haig, although unquestionably a figure who will be long remembered and will stand in the annals of glorious British feats of arms and steely resolution in the face of great difficulty...let me say that General Haig was certainly "up there", as it were, but he has stiff competition. Oh yes, indeed. Let us consider the example of General Braddock, for instance, a man who never let a few naked savages worry him, and never failed to see the forest for the trees! And then there was Lord Cornwallis, a stout heart to be sure. He was a man who knew how to seize destiny in his two hands and make of it what he chose! Then there was the esteemed General Dyer, who took it upon himself to restore domestic order in India when 20,000 unarmed swarthy people showed the very poor sense to gather in a public place without having obtained an official permit to do so! Tut! Tut! Can't allow that sort of thing, can we?

How do we rank Haig alongside these luminaries? Hard to say.

Some will assert that the Duke of Wellington was a superior general to General Haig. I for one feel that Haig is poorly served by this viewpoint. The Duke of Wellington did not have to deal with machine guns, did he? Not a single one! I submit that if he had had to deal with machine guns he would have lost half the battles he fought. Therefore, Haig was clearly superior to Wellington in every respect excepting one: Wellington had far better fashion sense.

10. Really now -- don't you think that Princess Victoria was one mighty foxy woman until she met Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha?

Oh, I say (cough, cough)...I am sure the young Princess Victoria had her admirers here and there. At least a handful of them...perhaps three or four. But it is my opinion that she did not fully flower into attractive womanhood until her marriage to Albert. Yes, indeed, it worked a splendid transformation upon the young Victoria, being a love match that would stand the test of time until Albert's tragic death from illness. Victoria mourned in seclusion for ten years! How magnificently "Victorian" can you get?

There. Now go away and stop pestering me! ;-)

p.s. Speaking for myself, I cannot remember whether or not I ever PM'd Teribus or got a PM from him, and I frankly don't give a damn. It's not worth going back through several hundred PMs to find out, now, is it? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Nov 05 - 09:29 AM

pdq,

Thanks for the links

The 1,000,000 children although the original referred to 500,000 is a projection not the result of a survey

WMD's - main source UNSCOM Report to UNSC January 1999 the thing in the link about conclusions first is only an opinion not hard fact, although every other government sitting on the SC at the time fully believed that Iraq and Saddam possessed such weapons.

The 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians figure waved about by Bobert, George Galloway, et al -

"The authors of a peer-reviewed study, conducted by a survey team from Johns Hopkins University, claim that about 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the war. Yet a close look at the actual study, published online today by the British medical journal the Lancet, reveals that this number is so loose as to be meaningless."

The opening of the Lancet article states that "100,000 Iraq civilians MAY have died" Now there is whale of a difference in stating that and stating "100,000 Iraqi civilians HAVE died"

Example I may have won the lottery is not the same as saying I have won the lottery.

That post 13 Nov 05 - 08:36 PM Is there an echo in here or is that Bobert just spouting the same old shit - yet again.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Nov 05 - 08:28 AM

...the chill fog still hanging among the trees, the sunlight cold silver, as the parties reach the dueling ground. The weapons are inspected and found ready, and the Seconds agreeing that no reconciliation is possible they take their places.

The weapons are presented to the Principals, who take them without comment and with seeming indifference. Back to back, the Principals are asked again if there is any chance of reconciliation.

The reply from one is a sigh, from the other a short, bark-like laugh.

The Chief Second, who had been earlier decided by lot, explains that they will take ten paces, turn, and present. They may fire anytime after he drops a white silken handkerchief; firing will continue until one of them either apologizes or dies. There will be no lesser result.

He turns away from the Principals and rejoins the Surgeon on the sidelines.

He begins the count:

"One...."


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Nov 05 - 08:36 PM

I notice that you didn't have much to say about the Hans Blix posts, T-Smug...

Hmmmmm?

'er the challenge on Bush liein last Friday about Congress having the same intellegence...

Hmmmmm. Part B?

Well, you may know the uncle's maiden name of every soldier that died in WW II and while, if so, that is veryu impressive indeed...

But yer track record on Iraq is shamefully lackin'... It was lackin' in the run-up to war and it's still lackin'...

More to having a civilized world than spewing out a binch of usless facts... Garbage in, garbage out...

Steve Earle wrote a song about handguns but it kida apllies to anything that one thinks of as his weapon of choice... Talkin' about a "cap-'n-ball Colt" he wrote, "get you into trouble but it won't get you out"...

Well, T, the blood is very much on yer hands as it i8s on the hands of everyone who choose to support this war in Iraq...

And now that the cows are comin' home, it is yer side that is busily tryin' to do the revsionism... Not mine or the others who had to put up with yer "War and Peace" length posts supporting invading Iraq...

Now that it has become Iraq-mire, as many, including myself, predicted, you aren't so sure of yerself... Yeah, the old T would have never resorted to callin' people dumb fu*ks in like every other post... Yeah okay, maybe it wasn't exactly "dumb fu*ks and maybe it hasn't been every other post... Hey, send me another "proven liar" merit badge... Coming from such a nasty little shell of what used to be at least a somewhat respectfull and nobel adversary, I'll wear it proudly!!!

Hey, it's okay to admit one danged time in yer life that you mighta mis-judged a situation but I am afraid you are not capable... Maybe a little polymorphorse guilt, I don't know...

Yeah, you can try to deflect yer failings here... Sure, you can try to mimimalize what I have contributed here... But we both know the truth... You may not like my style but, at least on Iraq, I've somehow been on the correct side in my critcal thinking and you haven't...

I mean no disrespect, though someone who I used to respect who has now sunken so deep as to call folks who don't agrewe with him, "fu*ks" is hard to respect, but you have turned into a nasty little person in my book...

I know, who cares???

Like I said, you can't hurt me...

The blood is one yer hands...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: pdq
Date: 13 Nov 05 - 08:33 PM

These are from Slate, an anti-Bush outfit overall. I know I posted the entire text of one of these articles before. Here are just the links:
      
                               1 million dead children?      

                               WMD's?
                              
                               100,000 dead civilians?


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Nov 05 - 06:59 PM

Bobert, I can honestly say that I haven't given any serious attention to anything you've posted for ages.

Your narrow minded bigotted rants and incoherant ramblings lend absolutely nothing to any discussion. Whereas others try to introduce perspectives based on information that can be verified and evaluated, you rely on a 'West Ginny slide rule' and 'word on the street is', then introduce whatever hairbrained fancy that appears to lend strength to your current topic.

What ever did happen to those heads on sticks on the White House Lawn?

Or all those people that died because of those vast numbers of Patriot missiles that the US was going to rain down on Iraq.

Still haven't found out where this rather authorative figure of 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths came from that you keep waving about like a flag. Same source probably as the 500,000 Iraqi children who were supposed to have been killed due to UN sanctions. Word to the wise Bobert both those phony alarmist stats were exploded for the complete and utter myths they were months ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 08:36 PM

Don't hold out fir any apologies from this jerk... Not only is this one a lot dumber but this one ain't got no friggin' class...

Hey, I can live with his "proven Liar" aimed at me, even though it was rather petty and sophmorish, but throwin' the same at Ebbie is like outta bounds...

Hey, Ebbie, I am deeply saddened and sorry that this sociopath said what he did to you and I got somethin' fir him fir it... My choice of timin'... Hey, you think MG got a good cyber-whup, stay tuned... You got the right man on the case...

And fir you, T-Jerk,

Ain't one danged thing you can say that gonna make me feel bad about myself 'cause their ain't no blood on my hands and their ain't no malice in my heart but go ahead and dig yer sophmorish self in even deeper... I couldn't care less... You can't hurt me but seems that you are certainly hurtin' yer own self every time you open yer nasty little mouth...

So make my day, T-Jerk... Call me what ever you want... The blood is on yer hands, pal....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 08:36 PM

The Lie Direct....

Oh, my.

There will be pistols or swords at dawn, should no acceptable apology be made.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 07:52 PM

Bad career move Teribus...to try to make political capital from an obviously innocent mistake.

Especially when directed at one of the most respected members.
Like Blair, your judgement appears to be slipping.

Apologise to the lady...Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Peace
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 07:42 PM

"No Ebbie you are, like Bobert a proven liar"

Ebbie is one of the nicest, most intelligent people on the Mudcat. She can make a mistake, but it just ain't in the lady to lie. You want to argue with her and all, that's between the two of you. But please, don't call her a liar.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 07:41 PM

Like I said, Ebbie, this version of Teribus is a nasty little petty person...

The old one was at least respectfull but this one is like sociopathetic...

Pathetic, either way... And nasty...

Maybe the marriage didn't work out???

If so, it's easy to see why...

Everyone else in the world understands that sometimes folks forget things 'er mis-speak and it it rather harmless as was in both yer case, Ebbie and mine...

Then Captain Judgemental has to go shoot off his nasty little mouth withy the "proven liar" crap...

No wonder he supports Bush and killing innocent Iragis... His life has reduced him to nasty little man with n civility to him al all, and no class...

You, Ebbie, even if you weren't a progressive, have more class in yer fingernail clippin's than this demented jerk in his entire body and soul (should he have one)...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 07:37 PM

Teribus, I just checked back on the posts and not only do I fail to see any place that I lied I don't even find any place, in this particular instance, that I defended Bobert. If you'll note, I said that it was my understanding that you live in the UK, and always had. Is that defending anybody?

But that's OK. I always like to find bright people - for instance, I always listened to William F. Buckley because I liked the erudite way he approached a subject - and I was hoping that you were one of them. But it's OK that you are not. Truly.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 07:23 PM

Absolutely Ebbie you had no reason to lie - but you did. With good old left wing solidarity you just leapt in to good ol' Boberts defence, and opened your mouth without checking the facts. Frothing at the mouth? Far from it, as far as I am concerned the only lesson hoisted onboard is that whatever you may say in the future on whatever subject can be dismissed out of hand.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 07:04 PM

Teribus. You are a strange person. When I said "to my knowledge" I have not had a PM correspondence with you, that is precisely what I meant. I did not remember any such thing. The 'inconsequential' part of my response when I discovered that I had indeed had a private conversation with you was meant only to tweak you, not jar you where you live. I have no reason to lie to you, so lighten up.

The reason I have not responded to your question about knowing whether or not you live in the UK is because I have long since not had your PMs in my archives. My responses to your PMs don't address that question at all. I still have my Sent messages- but only because I didn't get around to deleting them. From the looks of it I should plan on keeping everything.

I picture you frothing at the mouth- and it's not a pretty sight. Not everyone who is mistaken is lying, and I would hope you know that.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 06:50 PM

"I actually exchanged a couple of PM's with him" Bobert Lie - Correct?

"Like I said, if we did exchange one or two (which I now have confirmed we didn't) it would have been close to 3 years ago"

Now just what the fuck is this!!! Bobert YOU DID NOT, NOR HAVE YOU EVER sent me a PM, I don't care whether it was one day or a thousand bloody years ago, so where does the "..it would have been close to 3 years ago" completely irrelevant - IT NEVER BLOODY WELL HAPPENED so don't even try to waltz away with any sort of illusion that it did.

Ebbie - "For the first time I have a good glimpse into your methods, Teribus." And I of yours Ebbie, like Bobert you are a liar, and you have been caught out as such, so when it comes to contributing to threads on karl Rove, etc you will certainly be speaking with authority - TRUE?


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 06:27 PM

I have gone back to check my PMs and stand corrected.... Like I said, if we did exchange one or two (which I now have confirmed we didn't) it would have been close to 3 years ago... Like I said, I stand corrected...

As fir the "proven liar" comment on Teribus's part: whoever you are, yer an assh*ole, that's fir sure...

That "proven liar" label is comin' back yer way, real soon... I don't usaully get into that "yer a liar" crap but, hey, if that's what floats yer little sophmorish ego, then fine...

I have sworn off gettin' into that "yer a liar/ no, you are" with one other member here and we're purdy cool these days but, hey, T'Lite, you've tuyrned into one little nasty person...

So be one the look out, 'cause I allready have stuff on you but I'll tag you when you least expect it....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 06:22 PM

Whoa! That clears the air, one might say. For the first time I have a good glimpse into your methods, Teribus.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 06:12 PM

"Bobert - 12 Nov 05 - 10:30 AM

I actually exchanged a couple of PM's with him back then, JennyO.... And I think it was in one of them that he told me he was in Austrailia... I keep 'um so maybe I'll go back and check 'um out later tonight when I have time..."

No you didn't Bobert, we have NEVER exchanged pm's - that is a fact, I know you don't like them - but there again I don't like lies.

No Ebbie you are, like Bobert a proven liar, pure and simple, no need for concessions, no need to explain about inconsequentials - you are a liar and by me are viewed as such.

JennyO, I certainly was in Sydney, I sang in the Mercantile and in the Hero of Waterloo, also further up the coast in Noosa Heads, had a whale of a time, look forward to coming back, although next time it will probably be a flight into Brisbane then up to Cairns or Brownsville to charter a yacht and take a look at the Whitsundays.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 04:41 PM

If you knew Cthulu
Like I know Cthulu
Oh, oh, oh what a ghoul...


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 02:51 PM

Probably off somewhere chanting to Cthulu or something. Them Canadians, boy, I dunno....


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 01:47 PM

"Shame to see a formerly brilliant mind go like that...."

Actually Rap, it is just further confirmation of my long standing contenetion that cocoanuts migrate.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 01:35 PM

Well, Teribus, your memory obviously goes back farther than mine. See, I had to remove many non-essentials, inconsequentials, so to speak, in order to make room for more significant things. *G*

I concede- you are correct. I looked it up. I must admit that the subject of 'Carriers' made me wonder. Turns out we were discussing the role and functions of helicopters. Glad to know that we weren't speaking of vermin.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 01:14 PM

Shame to see a formerly brilliant mind go like that....


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 12:17 PM

Are you suggesting I don't know Jack, Spaw? Are you?

Guys and gals, I am very sad to say that I am about to hie me away to an undisclosed location for the weekend, there to engage in nameless rites so eldritch that they had best not be alluded to further. Alas! The travails of a busy life. I shall return anon, perhaps later on Sunday or on Monday, whereupon I shall hurl myself into the fray like a famished hamster and attend to those other fascinating historical questions and answer them to the best of my ability.

Till then... Adieu!


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 11:14 AM

I would personally find it more interesting if the participants of this thread were to hold a contest of picking gnats out of pepper. The contest will be administered by two guys none of you know just to keep it above board. Here are your referees, Jack Squat and Dick Schitt......Grab a pepper bucket and go at it!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 10:30 AM

I actually exchanged a couple of PM's with him back then, JennyO.... And I think it was in one of them that he told me he was in Austrailia... I keep 'um so maybe I'll go back and check 'um out later tonight when I have time...

Right now I'm takin' a 10 minute break from tractor duty an', heck, now I'm curious enuff to make a note...

Either way, the current T-Lite is a T-Wantabee and in the words of the former boxin champ, Larry Holmes, couldn't "even carry (T-Real's) jock strap"...

Awww, jus' funnin... 'bout the jock starp that is...


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: JennyO
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 09:54 AM

Bobert, I think I might know where you got the Australian connection from. I remember a couple of years ago, Teribus said he was VISITING Australia. I seem to remember he wasn't here long - or at least not in our neck of the woods (Sydney). I'm not sure if he met any Mudcatters. I do remember wondering what he would be like in real life, but I didn't meet him.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 08:35 AM

Without civility, without the acceptance of the "little social lies", civilization becomes a hollow shell, a mockery of itself, and it will collapse upon itself far, far more quickly than it will otherwise.

In the meantime, have some more brandy....


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 08:33 AM

Sho nuff does, T-Lite...Sho nuff does...


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 08:23 AM

As you are adopting sort of quasi french does that make me someones Mon Treal.

In this age of equality Rapaire? But it is nice to know who is liable to tell porkies. It allows you to evaluate their input accordingly.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 07:56 AM

I can't recall how I got the impression that T-Real lives in Austrailia since it's been 'bout 3 years since wrestlin' with him but it don't matter much since everyone here know that T-Lite ain't T-Real...

Beaubear


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 07:55 AM

Good Lord, Teribus! Don't you know that ladies have selective memories about those they "correspond" with? They subscribe to the "don't kiss and tell" school. Gracious, a gentleman ALWAYS accepts a lady's word about her past. Only a cad would do otherwise, and I cannot think that you are one of those.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 05:45 AM

"Ebbie - PM
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:52 PM

I realize that it is not seemly to post the contents of a PM- but is it OK to say that to my knowledge I have never had any "PM correspondence" with Teribus, the Light or any Teribus at all"

Oh Ebbie you little fibber, check your PM log for messages sent and received:

Ebbie Re. Carriers 00:29:46 2003-05-13
Ebbie Re Re Carriers 11:39:55 2003-05-13
Ebbie Re Re Re Carriers 21:52:41 2003-05-17

And you certainly received my message of 13th May 2003 sent at 05:14AM, because you replied to it - still believe I live in the UK?


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 11:43 PM

Danged, Bruce, I din't know the answer 40 years ago so I surely don't know it now...

And thanks alot, pal!!!! Now I'll be up all night with that one!!!!

Danged....


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 11:15 PM

Y'all take care of them and I'll go getcha s'more.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 11:14 PM

You want hard questions? Separate the men from the sheep (hey, we got a Crowbar on the 'cat now. At last, there'll be a use for him)? Here ya go:

























































Who put the bomp
In the bomp bah bomp bah bomp?
Who put the ram
In the rama lama ding dong?
Who put the bop
In the bop shoo bop shoo bop?
Who put the dip
In the dip da dip da dip?


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:57 PM

Heck, those aren't the HARD questions!!


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:56 PM

Ha!

See, T-Lite, my boy jus' let you off the hook... He could have gone thru Rap's list like a hot knife thru butter... He showed that but he also, hopefully, taught you a little lesson in humility...

You done shot yer mouth off abnout how LH didn't know squat and he was first to respond to Rap's questions but let you off the hook... He didn't cherry-pick... He just went down the list...

Now, if nothin else, you owe hi an apology... Hey, I couldn't care less how it's done but you owe him one...

I don't care what you say about me... I'll fight you on any issue, unless it's one we agree on, whcih given our world visions is unlikely unless it comes down to moms...

But you owe LH an apology...

And my most sincere apologies to my friend, LH, (sniff...) fir puttin hi in a position that I now know was not too comfy given his spirit an' heart.... Sniff... I'm sorry!!!! I mean that from the depths of my soul...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:52 PM

I realize that it is not seemly to post the contents of a PM- but is it OK to say that to my knowledge I have never had any "PM correspondence" with Teribus, the Light or any Teribus at all? I can't imagine what the subject would have been - unless the T is actually the Sham?

If I am not sadly mistaken, Bobert, Teribus, the Real, has always lived in the UK. But I've been mistaken before, sadly or otherwise, so I'm open to correction.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: bobad
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:51 PM

OK I can sleep peacefully now.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:48 PM

bobad - I totally appreciate that, and that is why I pretty much favour the Indians about 99% of the time...but...I still think Davy Crockett had style. Why do I call myself "Little Hawk"? Cos I am pro-Indian, my friend. When I was a little kid, I was the one who always wanted to play the "Indian" in "cowboys and Indians". This usually meant I was in a minority of one, because Indians were depicted as the "bad guys" on all the TV shows back then. I didn't buy it. As usual, I was opposing the mainstream viewpoint.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:43 PM

Rapaire, you are a hard taskmaster...

Hmm.

1. Sawney Bean was too lazy and stupid to manage a restaurant.

2. My bets are on Attila for that one. 3 to 1 odds.

3. My guess is that the Dauphin had doubts about the legitimacy of his lineage to the throne of France, but he dared broach the subject with no one. Joan, with complete confidence, assured him that he had nothing to fear, and that his lineage was beyond question. He was astonished that she knew his secret thought and heartened by her testimony, and gained courage that he had not had before. This began the process that eventually placed Joan in command of the French army.

4. Ned Kelly had succumbed to a bout of drunken grandiosity, accompanied by fatalism and despair. In such a mood, he was willing to sacrifice comfort for style, and go out with a clang.

And that's it for tonight! I shall resume tomorrow.

Teribus, your one problem may be that you just tend to take yourself a bit too seriously. I try not to make that mistake.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: bobad
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:40 PM

"have you read about some of the things that those woodland Indians did to their prisoners?"

But you should'nt forget that it was their land and way of life that was being abrogated by the invaders, they were being victimized here and fighting for their very existance.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:37 PM

Well, LH, I apologize fir puttin' you on the spot but you ain't dealin' with the real Teribus... This one ain't half the real one and, hey, I can wrestle with him 'er her jus' fine but when he comes along sayin' that you don't knoe squat 'bout history, he or she is just showin' his ignorance...

Be like them tellin' me that I don't know sqaut about the blues...

The real Terinus wouldn't have eevr been so arrogant, or stupid (yer pick).

I'm tellin' you that yer dealin' with someone with 3 teeth in his head, a dull/average IQ and ain't the real Teribus!!! And this little person holed up inma trailer in some holler in Arkansas with his wife anf her fasmilee is tellin' you that yo don't know nuthin' 'bout history...

Just in yer, "Hey, I don't need to play this" post you listed more historical stuff thasn T-Lite kew existed...

Hey. this is a perfect situation to honor the real T=Bird here by exposin' ther imposter but, hey, that's yer call...

Maybe some folks need to think that the real T is still around???

That'd be oaky wid me if he was, but he ain't an' this one ain't up to the task....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:27 PM

"I love living in Canada. As countries go, it's one of the more harmless. Only problem is the danged climate, but you can't have everything."

Climate's what ya expect; weather's what ya get!


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:23 PM

Aw, dang. Well, here are some questions anyway. These ain't the ones I was gonna ask.

1. Why didn't Sawney Bean just open a family restaurant?

2. If Jenghis Khan rassled Attila, who'd win?

3. Whatever did Joan say to the Dauphin?

4. Didn't Ned Kelly find it hot inside that armor -- not to mention noisy?

5. When Adam dug and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?

6. Who killed Kit Marlowe? Amy Robsart? Cock Robin? Davey Moore?

7. In light of recent revelations, who was the only woman in North American that JFK did not have an affair with?

8. The Franklin Expedition was a damned good idea. Discuss.

9. Field Marshall Douglas Haig was the best general Britian ever had. True or false? And explain yourself.

10. Really now -- don't you think that Princess Victoria was one mighty foxy woman until she met Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha?


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:23 PM

You are so right, bobad, but have you read about some of the things that those woodland Indians did to their prisoners? Grotesque and horrible tortures almost beyond modern imagination were the order of the day.

Brutality was common on both sides in those wars. It was a very different time, and people's expectations were different from now.

Teribus - I merely said I like history. I did not promise to deliver long synopses of it for you. You have the encyclopedia for that already. I am under no obligation to prove anything here, just having an enjoyable evening chatting with my...peers. (at Bobert's instigation)


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:17 PM

As for Saddam and Bush...I don't agree with either one of them. I would definitely not want to be ruled over by Saddam. I would prefer that Bush were not president. I think Iraq would be better off if they both went away permanently. Given time, they will. They all do, eventually.

I love living in Canada. As countries go, it's one of the more harmless. Only problem is the danged climate, but you can't have everything.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: bobad
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:15 PM

" Davy Crockett (he had style)"

Davy Crockett, self-confessed Indian killer who aided and abetted in locking a group of Cherokee into a cabin, burning it to the ground and the Cherokee alive, and then eating the potatos dug out from the ashes where they cooked in the body fluids of the trapped Cherokee.

source: Tennessee Independent Chapter of Autonomous AIM


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:14 PM

"Little Hawk - 11 Nov 05 - 10:03 PM"

Oh dear, Oh dear, Oh dear - Is there anything at all that has got anything remotely to do with history in that twaddle?


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:10 PM

I DETEST that frikkin' Roadrunner!!!!!!!! I'd like to see him shot, mangled, defenestrated, disembowled, beheaded, and pissed on! By Wile E. Coyote, of course. Why? It's patently unfair what they do to that poor coyote in those cartoons. It's sick. And it's rigged. I hate stuff like that.

See? I'm just opposing the conventional standard routine, that's all.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:07 PM

I don't much like Achilles. I figure he had too much God-magic on his side, and that's not fair. I like Hector, who got killed by Achilles. I liked Paris too, cos he shot the arrow that put an end to that danged egomaniac Achilles!

More proof that Teribus theory is right... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:03 PM

Oh, for heaven's sake... (grin)

Do you really think I'm that much of a masochist, Bobert? Man, I have a life to attend to here, know what I'm sayin'?

I do love history, always did. And Teribus is onto something there...I am fascinated by the heroism of lost causes. I think that most children grow up identifying with either the winners or the losers, depending on the circumstances of their youth. You can see that in people. Some just instinctively line up alongside the powerful and authoritative of their culture while others instinctively line up alongside those who oppose the powerful and authoritative.

If you can see it in me, Teribus, it's probably because I am the reflection of you.

You and I are tailormade to argue over stuff like that.

But to say that I "don't know jack about history!" Ooooo...that is getting nasty. The truth is, I know a lot about jack. For instance, I saw my uncle Jack off at the airport last week, and...

(okay, ignore that, I'm in a silly mood)

Okay, I do tend to like tragic losers. Let's see now. Who do I either like or am quite interested in who lost? And who won?

the Confederacy (But hey, they had style!)
the Indians (they had style and a whole lot more)
Emiliano Zapata (he won a lot, but in the end he lost)
Fidel Castro (He won! Bigtime.)
Ho Chi Minh and his people (they won!)
the Romans (I like their style, I like their uniforms, I don't like the way they thought they had a right to conquer everyone. They generally won.)
Hannibal (he won a lot, but in the end he lost)
Alexander (he won every battle he ever fought)
the Trojans (they lost)
the Germans (disagree totally with their fascist political crap, but I like their tanks and airplanes...)
the Japanese (disagree totally with their fascist crap also, but I find them interesting at the same time, and I like their ships and airplanes)
Gandhi (he won)
Jesus (you figure it out)
Buddha (needs no explanation)
Lao-Tse (as above)
Crazy Horse (never lost a battle, but was killed while a prisoner)
the British (totally disagree with their arrogant empire building, but I like their style, back when they were the redcoats. They almost always won.)
Lord Nelson (he won every time)
the Duke of Wellington (he won every time)
the Mounties, back in the old days (best police force in the world at the time)
Davy Crockett (he had style)

What it really is, Teribus...it's not necessarily that I identify with those who lost, it's that I have a very strong instinct to challenge conventional thinking. I'm a rebel against big established interests of my own time and knee-jerk majority thinking of my own time. It's that simple. If I'd been in England in the 1700's, I would probably have sympathized greatly with the revolutionary Republican forces in America and France. That's my nature. I go for the unconventional view of things.

When I am among a majority of people who take a certain prejudice for granted and don't actually think about it, I rattle their cages by challenging their position. You may have noticed that although I am generally on the Left politically, I have sometimes rattled the cages of the liberal cadres here when I thought they were getting too smug or just doing a knee-jerk reaction without giving it proper thought.

I will support even my most vigorous opponents when I agree with the specific content of what they say...and sometimes I do. Doesn't matter who it is. Sometimes they are going to make a good point.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 10:01 PM

I'd like to enter Teribus post, 11 Nov 05- 09:43 PM as "Exhibit B" and my final evidence that the current Teribus ain't the real deal... According to testimony from the real respected and truthfull, Ebbie, the current version says he or she lives in the UK.... The real deal lives in Austrailia... Okay, I'll admit that it is possiblwe that the real Teribus moved from Austrailia *AND* had a frontal labotomy and is now T-Lite... But like what are the chances of that happenin??? Well, not too great... 'Bout the same a Bush's beatin' out Andrew Johnson as the Worst President Ever...

BObert


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 09:51 PM

"Bobert - PM
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 09:43 PM

Are you sure the T-Lite lives in the UK, Ebbie... The real one lives in Austrailia"

Naw Bobert, through pm correspondence Ebbie knows where I live, and it aint Australia, lovely country though that be.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 09:46 PM

Rap,

T-Lite would love a couple softballs thrown his way...

Come on LH!!!

You can tear this imposter up!!! Heck, yer fingernail clippin's could give him a good scare!!!

Bobert (Moderator)


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 09:43 PM

Are you sure the T-Lite lives in the UK, Ebbie... The real one lives in Austrailia.... Hey, okay, we're goin' to have to have questions that are asked that do not favor either country...

Where you live, T-Lite??? Don't friggin' lie!!!

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 09:40 PM

So -- can I post some questions?

They'll be fair, equitable, cover any extant or extinct country that takes my fancy (except ones like Atlantis, Lemuria, and Mu) and have actual answers.

But they won't be easy. Neither of these guys would want to be known as easy.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 09:38 PM

Question: Whose history? Teribus the Light lives in the UK, Little Hawk with Clear Eyes lives in Canada. The moderator (the Beaubear) lives in the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: pdq
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 09:38 PM

OK, here is a question.

If Little Hawk suffers 'the agony of de feet', should he buy a can of Dr. Scholl's foot powder?


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 09:35 PM

Hey, I'll stay the heck outta this entirely...

If LH is on his pudder and we can get his attention and we can get this little rumble goin'...

Wouldn't chalk up that win too soon, T-Lite...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 09:24 PM

One thing for certain Bobert, ould son - you'll form no part of the discussion.

As for LH, he just has a hankering for wearing the uniforms of the defeated.


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Subject: BS: History-Bee, LH v. Teribus
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 09:18 PM

Well, on another thread, TeribusLite has made a statement that Little Hawk don't know jack about history so I figgured that before TeribusLite could get some folks to come over and help him with the questions that maybe LH and TeribusLite would be willing ti do a little Mudcat First, A History Bee...

Folks ask questions and both have like 3 minutes to respond...

But, hey, I ain't clearned this with either LH or TeribusLite so it's gonna take both of them to say, "Hey, count me in"..

So LH??

So TeribusLite??

Bobert


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