Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Snuffy Date: 11 Sep 00 - 10:04 AM Barbara I have been doing it in ABC, but I can make that ito a midi with no trouble. Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 11 Sep 00 - 10:10 AM |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 12 Sep 00 - 08:11 PM NWC file of Michael Finnigin sent to Joe from a tif sent me by Noreen. Thanx Noreen! it was heck at work today, so I didn't get the files completly updated, though there have been some new finds besides the above. will update tomorrow, promise! (unless it gets worse) |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 13 Sep 00 - 12:48 PM 1336) GODSPEED THE PLOW - abc posted to http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=11185 2020) LAND O' THE LEAL - malcolm has ready to e-mail/John_in Brisbane posted to http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=13397#122886 2322) MICHAEL FINNEGAN - norreen suppplied tif - NWC sent to Joe files updated as of Sept 13, am (mudcat time) |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Snuffy Date: 14 Sep 00 - 06:19 PM I had a quick look at the Mudcat midi site the other day, and some midis seem to have snuck in for missing tunes. Have they been there for ever, and did they just appear recently without anybody noticing? Here are the results of a quick trawl, but I'm sure there could be others. 561 CAMBOURNE HILL 678 COLIN AND PHOEBE - couldn't download the midi to check. 845 DESERTER - there are two midis called The Deserter From Kent. They both fit the words given in DT. The song says he came from the west of Kent, and later that he was taken to "Maystone Jail". Maidstone is the county town of Kent, and still has a prison, I believe. So is this a match or not? 885 AN DO/RD FIANNA:, - midi is called O/ro/ se/ do bheatha 'bhaile 1257 GAMBLER, 1258 THE GAMBLER (2), 1259 THE GAMBLER (3), - couldn't download the midi to check which (if any) of these three it fits. 1321 GLENCOE - midi is titled Rape of Glencoe 1774 IN THE OLD BAZAAR IN CAIRO - a full length, multi-track version 2507 NOBLEMAN'S WEDDING 2514 THE NORTHERN LIGHTS OF OLD ABERDEEN - the tune has a 4-line chorus, the DT text has three. I think the third line is missing from DT. 2537 O'REILLY AND THE BIG MCNEILL 2599 THE OLD FISH SONG 3024 ROW-DOW-DOW 3240 THE SOUTH COAST 3269 A STOR MO CHROI 3699 WHEN FATHER PAPERED THE PARLOUR - chorus only Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: IvanB Date: 15 Sep 00 - 05:36 PM NWC's sent to Joe earlier this week: 1832) James James Morrison Morrison, filename [JAMMORSN 1800) It was a Lover and His Lass, filename [LOVERLAS 1063) Fall River Hoedown (Lizzie Borden), filename [FALLRIVR 728) Cotton Fields Back Home, filename [COTTNFLD 378) Blue Diamond Mine, filename [BLUDIAM
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 18 Sep 00 - 09:33 AM files updated as of 9/18/00
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 18 Sep 00 - 11:43 AM 1509) HERE'S A DRAM FOR THE PIPER -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=4620#26546 1522) HEY THE DUSTY MILLER - midi sent to Joe 9/18
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 19 Sep 00 - 03:38 PM 3580) VINCENT (STARRY, STARRY NIGHT)- midi sent to joe 9/19/00
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Barbara Date: 19 Sep 00 - 03:58 PM If Snuffy hasn't shipped it to Joe, there's the ABC for Allison Gross posted in the Allison Gross thread, MMario. Blessings, Barbara |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 19 Sep 00 - 04:00 PM oops! I got that Barbara, but forgot to post it. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 19 Sep 00 - 04:07 PM Only 2883 to go guys!
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 20 Sep 00 - 03:57 PM 814) THE DAY THE PUB BURNED DOWN -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=101768 1116) THE FEMALE SMUGGLER - midi sent to joe 9/20 968) DWELLING IN BEULAH LAND - midi sent to joe 9/20 files updated as of 9/20 |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Noreen Date: 20 Sep 00 - 06:27 PM Good News! Up to 27 titles can be removed from the 'notune' list at a stroke: that is the number of titles that come up when '@recitation' is requested from the DT. I don't know them all, but 8 of them are Stanley Holloway recitations: 42)ALBERT AND THE LION 44) ALBERT'S RETURN 45) ALBERT'S REUNION 3064) SAM, SAM, PICK UP THA MUSKET 3062)SAM SMALL'S CHRISTMAS PUDDING 3434) THREE HA'PENCE A FOOT 275)THE BATTLE OF HASTINGS 267)THE BATTLE OF 'ASTINGS, while 2283)MATILDA is a poem by Hilaire Belloc so at the very least, these 9 titles can be removed from the list. ALSO, two of the above titles [275)THE BATTLE OF HASTINGS and 267)THE BATTLE OF 'ASTINGS] are identical apart from some spellings. Noreen |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 21 Sep 00 - 09:41 AM 1703) I'M A LUMBERJACK - midi sent to joe 9/20/00 (Noreen! Thank you for going through the list and identifying the recitations. I am going to mark them as such in the list - though I have found references to some of them having been set to tunes, so will not remove them from the 'no tune' list) |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Noreen Date: 21 Sep 00 - 11:38 AM MMario, I wondered about that; I know the ones I stated do not have tunes, but wouldn't know for sure whether categorising other pieces as 'recitations' precluded them having a tune. Noreen |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 21 Sep 00 - 11:54 AM I'm sure it normally means they aren't sung, but of course it doesn't mean they can't be sung. As I said, I am going to mark these "recitation" in the list, but not remove them from the list. So if anyone FINDS music to them, they'll still be there to be posted... For example I KNOW I have heard Deck of Cards sung, and found a reference the other day to a sung version of three hapence a foot. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 21 Sep 00 - 03:23 PM for example: 2325) A MICROSOFT CHRISTMAS - recitation - see 3532 Twas the night before Christmas files updated as of 3:27 September 21, 2000 |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 21 Sep 00 - 04:52 PM FYI - I will be spending the next few days traveling and visiting the delightful Maryland Renaissance Festival (it's Pyrate weekend! yea!) and am not sure if I will be checking in before I leave. So will warn you now, I won't be doing any updates before monday, probably tuesday. But if you have the tunes, send them! post them! deluge the forum with them! or my mailbox. (lpola@edutech.(spamfree)org) I'll get them where they should go, eventually. Gotta go check out the TARDIS, make sure it's ready, so enjoy the weekend! Just tried supersearch on the "no tune" search (which is humungous of course. it crapped out about 3 tunes shy of the complete list.... |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 22 Sep 00 - 08:26 PM BONNIE BLACK HARE [ BLACKHAR Tunefile BLACKHAR.mid -Tune and text from The Constant Lovers (ed. Frank Purslow, EFDS Publications, 1972). Collected by Dr. Gardiner;tune and first verse from Thomas Jones of Portsmouth, Hampshire, in 1907. Remainder of text from a broadside in the Bodleian Collection. In verse 5 line 3, somebody has changed "put his balls in her ear" to "his balls he put near", which is more sensible, if less amusing. There's also another verse not given, which fits between verses 3 and 4:
"I think you are deceitful, young maid", he did say,
BONNY BLACK HARE (2) filename[ BLACKHR2 No source named, but it appears to be A.L. Lloyd's version, which Martin Carthy later recorded and, after him, Fairport Convention. The final verse is a little different, though; Carthy had:
My powder is wasted and my bullets all gone
The tune (almost certainly "adapted" by Lloyd) is very different from Thomas Jones'. Midi made from Carthy's recording.
TWO BROTHERS filename[ TWOBROS Transcribed from a Jean Redpath record. It's been remarked that this version fits ROLLING OF THE STONES filename[ ROLLSTON; both tunes given with it, ROLLSTON.mid and ROLLSTON2.mid, are indeed close to Redpath's version, which she learned from Jeannie Robertson. Midi made from the transcription in Jeannie Robertson: Emergent Singer, Transformative Voice (James Porter & Herschel Gower, 1995) with most of the gracenotes omitted. Generally I leave decorations in, as it gives a better idea of the Source Singer's approach to interpretation, but I think that in this case it might have been a bit confusing for the casual listener.
THE UPS AND DOWNS filename[ UPSNDOWN Text from the recording by Steeleye Span. They got it from Marrowbones (Frank Purslow, EFDS, 1965); midi made from the notation in that book. The song was collected by Dr. Gardiner from Mr. E. Frankham of Petersfield, Hampshire, in 1908. Purslow remarks, "It has been suggested by James Reeves that the Ups and Downs represent the 69th. Foot Regiment, 69 being a number that reads the same when written upside down."
BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW AND GREEN filename[ BLWHYGR From a recording by Roy Harris, with no indication as to what tune he may have used. Midi made from a recording by Shirley Collins, who sung it to a version of The Black Joke, a Morris tune. It should be noted that what looks like the second verse in the DT version is in fact the chorus.
RANTIN` ROVIN` ROBIN filename[ RRROBIN No source named. But for a few altered words, this is Robert Burns' poem, written in 1787 and set originally to the tune of Dainty Davie; see DAINTY DAVIE, filename[ DNTDAVE (DNTDAVE.mid). According to John & Angus MacPherson (The Poetical Works of Robert Burns, date unknown) it was later more generally sung to Oh Gin Ye Were Dead, Gudeman. I've made a midi of that from the notation in Burns: Poems & Songs (ed. James Kinsley, 1969), as an alternative. Kinsley gives a final verse not in the DT file:
Guid faith quo' scho I doubt you Stir,
It should be noted that what looks like the second verse in the DT is in fact the chorus.
In verse 2, "Oor Monarch's hindmost year but ane, Was five and twenty days begun'" refers to Jan. 25th 1759, the date of Burns' birth.
BONNY FARDAY filename[ BONFARDY A version of Babylon (The Bonny Banks o Fordie, Child #14); the notes mention several sources, but this is the version noted by John Jacob Niles in 1932 from the singing of Preston Little (prompted by Roscoe Phipps) of Hazard, Kentucky, and published in The Ballad Book of John Jacob Niles (1961). Two midis made made from the notation in that book; [a] melody line only, and [b] Niles' rather dramatic harmonisation.
THE SMART SCHOOLBOY filename[ FALSKNT5 Version collected by John Jacob Niles in 1935 from Preston Wolford at Dot, Va., USA, and published in The Ballad Book (1961).
WILLIE'S LADY filename[ WILILAD2 Presumably transcribed from Ray Fisher's recording. The tune to which she set it, Son Ar Chiste, is at WILLIE'S LADY filename[ WILILADY, which is a transcription of Martin Carthy's English re-write (WILILADY.mid). Ray Fisher's text, so far as I know, is a shortened re-write of the only text in Child; this came from Anna Brown (around 1783) with a melody transcribed by her nephew, whose musical theory wasn't much better than mine. Midi made from Bronson's conjectural reading of it; the interpretation of the two trills is my own guess. It's not an unattractive melody, but is only two lines long; the repetition involved in singing the whole ballad to it would bore the modern listener quite quickly, so I can see why Ray Fisher would set it to a longer, more dramatic tune, not dis-similar in essence but more developed. Bronson thought that it was probably sung with an interleaved refrain (Mrs. Brown & the Ballad, California Folklore Quarterly, vol.IV, no.2 [1945]), but there is no record of any.
FLOWERS IN THE VALLEY filename[ FINEFLW2 Taken from a record by Finbar and Eddie Furey, who have garbled the lyrics so badly that the song doesn't make very much sense. Of course, they may have learnt it that way. There may be traditional Irish versions for all I know, but this one looks as if it derives from the version that Baring Gould found in Cornwall, and published (in A Garland of Country Song, 1895) set to a tune that he had heard Mr. Gilbert of The Falcon Inn at Mawgan in Pyder, Cornwall, sing to a different -though perhaps related- song. This is the tune that the Fureys use, though they have loosened the rhythm quite a bit. I've made a midi from Baring Gould's transcription, and will post the full text he gives in a separate thread. The transcriber of the DT text has laid out the stanzas in a way that gives little indication of where the refrain (not chorus in this case) goes; see Flowers in the Valley for clarification. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 26 Sep 00 - 11:18 AM Thanks Malcolm! both "no tune" and "found tune" files updated as of today. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:32 PM 2017) LAMOILLE RIVER - midi by john_in_brisbane, sent to joe 1243) FROM WAY UP HERE - midi by John In Brisbane, sent to joe 1340) GOING DOWN THE ROAD FEELING BAD - midi done by John-In-Brisbane, sent to Joe files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 26 Sep 00 - 08:06 PM "The Birks of Abergeldie" as the tune for "How can I keep my maidenhead" is one of three tune directions that are wrong in 'The Merry Muses of Caledonia' (see 'Merry Muses tunes' in Scarce Songs 2 on my website). The proper tune is "How can I keep my maidenhead", later called "Lennox love to Blantyre", of which ABCs of two early copies are given in file S2.HTM on my website. I don't have a copy of the 1736 printing of "How can I keep my maidenhead". Here's a later copy:
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 26 Sep 00 - 09:38 PM THANK YOU! |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: NightWing Date: 27 Sep 00 - 01:18 PM Is the list of songs without tunes posted somewhere on the 'Cat? |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 27 Sep 00 - 01:44 PM no. (because it is huge, but constantly changing) however, if you personal message an e-mail address to me (MMario) or e-mail me (lpola@edutech.org) I will send you the "no tune" list, and additionaly (if you want it) the "found tune" list. HINT: the above applies to anyone. I will point out that even if you cannot create a midi file or an ABC file, if you possess the music and can scan or copy the music and e-mail or snail-mail the dots to some one who CAN it amounts to the same thing also - if you know the tune to some obscure song, but don't write music, perhaps you can find someone who can transcribe by ear. or you can spend some time searching the forum database to see if the tune has already been posted but is "lost" or you could web search for an existing abc or midi file, or a gif that is already posted out on the web see? lotsa ways to help.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 27 Sep 00 - 05:55 PM refresh. How much longer do the Olympics go? |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 28 Sep 00 - 12:19 AM Drat! In my post above that should be Vickers' MS. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 28 Sep 00 - 08:56 PM More midis to go to Alan after the Olympics: THE PAINFUL PLOUGH filename[ PAINPLOW Text transcribed from a record by Louis Killen; no mention made of his source. There is, however, a set of the song in The Painful Plough (Roy Palmer, Cambridge University Press, 1972) which is textually close enough for it to be reasonable to suppose that the tune is close, too; I've made a midi of that. Palmer took it from English Folk-Songs (W.A. Barrett, 1891). His final two verses are different from Killen's: Behold the wealthy merchant that trades in foreign seas, And brings forth gold and treasure for those that live at ease, With finest silks and spices, and fruits and dainties too, They are brought from the Indies by virtue of the plough. For they must have bread, biscuit, rice pudding, flour and peas, To feed the jolly sailors as they sail o'er the seas, Yet ev'ry man that brings them here will own to what is true- He cannot sail the ocean without the painful plough. AN ACRE OF LAND filename[ ACRELAND The note in the DT describes this as the version that Ralph Vaughan Williams had from Frank Bailey (of Coombe Bissett, Wiltshire), in 1904. The verses certainly are, but Bailey's refrain, There goes this ivery has been changed to Ivy, sing Ivery somewhere along the line. Midi made from Bailey's tune as given in Bushes & Briars, ed. Roy Palmer, 1983/1999. The DT file gives the song Child number #46 (Captain Wedderburn's Courtship), which is wrong; it should be #2 (The Elfin Knight). THE HIELAND LADDIE filename[ HIELNLAD This is the song on which Burns based his As I came o'er the Cairney Mount, and is set to a tune called As I came o'er the Cairney Mount or The Highland Lassie. Midi made from the notation in Burns: Poems and Songs (James Kinsley, 1969). There is a final verse not given in the DT: But our ammunition being spent, And we quite out of breath an' sweating, We did agree with ae consent, To fight it out at our next meeting. It would appear that HIELAND LADDIE filename[ GLASGPG3 is also sung to this tune, though it should be noted that Jean Redpath has a different melody, which again fits both, and which she says comes from the Orpheus Caledonius (Thomson, 1725). HUSH YE MY BAIRNIE filename[ HUSHYEB Taken from a record by Gordon Bok; no source is named, which is a pity as it's the English language version, written by Malcolm MacFarlane, of the Scots Gaelic song Cagaran Gaolach. A few mistakes have crept in, either on Mr. Bok's part or on that of the transcriber. In verse 1, "Lift me a coney a goat and a wether" should be "Lift me a coo, and a goat, and a wether"; in verse two, "Bonny wee laddie" should be "Bonny wee lammie; verse 3 has been muddled up and the rhymes lost; MacFarlane's original reads: Hush ye, my bairnie, my bonnie wee dearie; Sleep! come and close the een, heavy and wearie; Closed are the wearie een, rest are ye takin'- Soun' be yer sleepin', and bright be yer wakin'. Some other changes have been made, presumably because Mr. Bok didn't feel comfortable with the Scots expressions; this is fair enough where the sense is not compromised, so I don't feel any great need to point them out. I should point out that MacFarlane's version is not a literal translation of the Gaelic. See also CAGARAN GAOLACH filename[ CAGARAN, which does give a translation, though there are a few differences between the Scottish text and this one, which is a less complete Cape Breton variant. I'm not sure whether or not someone has made a midi for the latter (or indeed whether the tune is the same, though I would imagine that it is), so I've done one anyway, from the notation in Moffat's Minstrelsy of the Scottish Highlands. I WOULD THAT THE WARS WERE ALL DONE filename[ WARDONE Collected by Sabine Baring Gould and published in A Garland of Country Song, 1895. Midi made from the notation in that book. The DT text is taken from a record by Roy Harris, and omits the second verse (which Harris presumably did not sing): "Oh violet, in-vi'late, the oath it may prove, My lover swore to me, when in the green grove; In France and in Flanders are maidens as well, Will Robin prove fickle and false to his Nell? AGHADOE filename[ AGHADOE Verses by John Todhunter; I don't know whether or not he wrote the tune. Midi made from the notation in A.P. Graves' Irish Songbook, 1922 edition. The DT set has its "glens" mixed up with its "glades", and its "secrets" with its "silents", and, more importantly, should read, not "Where I hid", but "Where I hid him. Cross-references: ALL UNDER THE LEAVES filename[ SVNVIRG2 No source named, so we may never know what tune this version was sung to, but see a close enough version, SEVEN VIRGINS (The Leaves Of Life) filename[ SVNVIRG, which has a tune, SVNVIRG.mid, which will have to serve. ANGUS HEMPSTEAD filename[ ANGUSHEM is a parody of A fair maid walking all in her garden; unless somebody comes up with the precise tune used by Grit Laskin, the midi Snuffy made for FAIR MAID WALKING filename[ JREILLY5 will have to do. By the way, Snuffy; you indicate the tempo as Q:1/4=120; isn't that a little fast? The very similar version collected by the Hammond brothers 1n Dorset in the same year (1906)is a lot slower. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Snuffy Date: 29 Sep 00 - 08:38 AM Malcolm I copied A Fair Maid Walking from O'Shaughnessey's "21 Lincolnshire Folksongs collected by Percy Grainger" (or similar title - I'm at work, and can't check). I can't remember if there is a tempo given with the tune in the book. I have noticed that in certain circumstances a Q: setting that produces acceptable results in Abc2Win, produces an extremely slow midi when converted by Abc2Midi. So it's then a case of increasing the Q: until the midi plays at the same speed as the original ABC - perhaps that's what happened here, and I never reset Q: to its original value before posting. I'll let you know tonight when I get home. Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Snuffy Date: 29 Sep 00 - 02:28 PM Malcolm O'Shaughnessey (or ist Grainger) doesn't give a metronome marking, merely "Sprightly". Never having heard anyone sing it, I probably thought 120 was about sprightly enough. What do you think? Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 29 Sep 00 - 03:32 PM 1708) I'M CALLED LITTLE CAROLINE - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 9/28 2550) OF ALL THE BIRDS - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 9/28 3044) SAILOR'S PRAYER - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 9/28 files updated as of 9/29 Note: John in Brisbane sent me some midi's I have to send forward. will update as soon as I can. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 29 Sep 00 - 04:43 PM 919) DORAN'S ASS - mid by john in brisbane sent to joe 9/29 3529) TURTLE DOVE -midi from john in brisbane sent to joe 3811) THE WOMEN ARE WORSE THAN THE MEN - midi from john in brisbane sent to joe files updated. about 2851 to go - it is beginning to get a bit more difficult. the help of any willing gratefully accepted. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 29 Sep 00 - 05:23 PM BTW - DT has now been sent all but 20 of the texts for the Child Ballads - so if anyone wants to enter all the Bronson (spelling?) tunes, feel free! *grin* |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 29 Sep 00 - 11:22 PM Snuffy: Blessed if I know. I'd go for 100, personally, but I've no particularly good reason apart from comparison with other versions, which of course proves nothing! Just curious, really; thanks for checking. MMario: I've been trawling through that file, too, but have only got 1/3 of the way; have you been able to proofread it? Nightmare stuff, some of it, particularly the bits with Thorns... Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 29 Sep 00 - 11:31 PM I haven't been able to proof it, but the original file suppossedly had been proofed a number of times, though not "final" proof. So I figure it is reasonably good. I have no access to hardcopy, so I really can't proof it. Had to be satisfied with getting it into a readable form. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 30 Sep 00 - 12:19 AM We'll have to compare notes at some point; I can get to the books in the library (at times). Meanwhile, I have found a tune for THE WHITE FISHER, Filename [WHITFISH, and have posted abc and text to this thread: The White Fisher A midi will go to Alan. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 30 Sep 00 - 08:44 PM More: FOX WENT OUT (Den-O) filename[ FOXOUT5 Sorcha has posted an .abc of a tune for this song, and Snuffy has now added the version sung by The Young Tradition, with words. Both tunes seem to be related, but since this particular text is the Copper Family version, I've made a midi from the notation given in Bob Copper's book Early To Rise (1976). Copyright Coppersongs 1976. WI' MY DOG AND GUN filename[ DOGNGUN This is more usually called The Mountain Streams Where The Moorcocks Crow. Though I've only heard a very brief clip of the Silly Wizard version from which this text was taken (from So Many Partings), they seem to have used pretty much the usual Scottish tune, so I've made a midi from the version notated in John Brune's Roving Songster (1965), which has an almost identical text, bar a few minor differences; this will serve until somebody comes up with a transcription from the record. There are a couple of mistakes in the DT transcription: "you'll find my swelling" should of course be "you'll find my dwelling", and "...their so so sweetly" ought to be "...their song so sweetly. There are also a few odd changes from the usual versions: "I loved a robber" is usually "I loved a rover"; "lenties" is usually "linnets"; "millcocks" is usually "moorcocks". The DT notes don't say where this version came from, but a quick search of the web reveals that Andy M. Stewart learnt it from older members of his family, who used to sing it a lot. WHEN I WAS A YOUNG MAN (2) filename[ WHNYNGM2 Though the DT entry gives no source, this is the version that Martin Carthy got from the Duncan collection of songs from N.E. Scotland, and recorded on Shearwater (Peg Records PEG12, 1972, re-issued on Mooncrest CRESTCD 008, 1991). A number of people have learnt it from Carthy and subsequently recorded it, Oisín amongst them. Midi made from Carthy's recording. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: John in Brisbane Date: 01 Oct 00 - 06:38 AM MMario, did you get Rossa's Farewell to Dublin (or did it exist)? Regards, John |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 01 Oct 00 - 01:39 PM yes I did. I annotated the file and sent the midi on. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 02 Oct 00 - 12:18 PM 3613) WATERCRESS-O - posted by snuffy to threads 23672 9/30 files updated. Malcolm - let me know when you have shipped the backlogged midi's off to Alan. okay? Thanks! |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 02 Oct 00 - 04:33 PM I've just sent them: 30 in all. I suppose now I'd better get back to the difficult ones.... |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 02 Oct 00 - 04:47 PM okay - phoaks....all them songs Malcolm has been posting, consider them updated in the files. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 02 Oct 00 - 05:00 PM BTW - those midis he sent (from the Olympic hiatus) include but are not limited to #'s 6, 6, 356, 435, 554, 983, 1527, 1613, 1688, 2201, 2392, 2393, 2659, 2707, 2831, 2893, 3185, 3566, 3775.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: GUEST,Pam Date: 02 Oct 00 - 05:02 PM Looking for the Tune "Little Mary Peggins" I think that is the name. My Gransfather sang it to me. It's about Mary who went to the pencil factory to get her pay, not once did the poor child know that she was going to die." Help. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 02 Oct 00 - 05:41 PM Hi, Pam. I'm afraid you've asked your question in completely the wrong place; this thread is for identifying tunes that go with songs that are in the Database without tunes. Usually it's best to start a new thread for a request like yours, with the name of the song in its title; put in a BIG thread like this, it might never get noticed. However, you're in luck this time: the words are in the Database. Click here: Mary Fagan -No tune, I'm afraid! Actually, I think she spelled her name Phagan; there are a lot of references to her famous murder on the Web. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 04 Oct 00 - 09:58 AM 679) COLLIER LASS posted by snuffy to thread 23672 956) DUBLIN FUSILIERS - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 1891) JOHNSON'S MOTOR GAR -posted by snuffy to thread 23672 files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 04 Oct 00 - 04:19 PM Clear away the Morning Dew = Blow away the Morning dew =tunefile [Blowdew |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: MMario Date: 04 Oct 00 - 04:22 PM goto part IV go directly to part iv |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted - Part III From: Alan of Australia Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:53 AM G'day, The following tunes (see Malcolm's post above, 28 Sept 00) are now available at the Mudcat MIDI site.
AN ACRE OF LAND
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