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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Kim C Date: 14 Sep 01 - 10:48 AM Lepus, it is a fact that before, Afghani women had careers as doctors and other highly-educated professionals. No more, thanks to the Taliban. A woman who needs medical treatment is now SOL because the male doctor can't touch her, and the women doctors are not allowed to practice. It is a fact that they now must appear in public completely covered, from head to toe, whereas before, it was a personal choice. It's even illegal for a kid to fly a KITE, fercryinoutloud. A friggin KITE. I don't doubt that news reports can be biased, but some of the facts clearly speak for themselves. On another note.... This is going to lead to a whole new branch of racial profiling by law enforcement. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Lepus Rex Date: 14 Sep 01 - 12:35 PM Kim, you won't get an argument about that from me. I agree, women are treated unfairly in most of Taleban-controlled Afghanistan. I just worry when I see people come up with obviously false or half-true things like "the Taleban rapes little girls," or "women are starving to death because they can't work." This really isn't the time (like there ever is a time) to be de-humanising the "enemy." Especially when we have a short-sighted sociopath like Bush in control. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Kim C Date: 14 Sep 01 - 01:26 PM Arthur Kent, in his PBS documentary which aired last night, said he had never seen so much begging in Afghanistan, especially by women. Since they are not allowed to work outside the home anymore, it is not hard to imagine that many of them do face financial hardships. Now, a different twist. Some of you know I enjoy belly dancing, and I hang out with a group of ladies in the Society for Creative Anachronism who develop Middle Eastern personas for this hobby. I had a message from one of them today saying that SCAdians with Middle Eastern personas are now being harrassed in Florida, to the point where that particular group's website has been shut down. Great. These are mostly white people who happen to enjoy Middle Eastern culture and history. The leader of my dance class suggested that ladies not wear their dance garb on the way to an event this weekend. I mean, really. Harrassing ersatz Middle Easterners. Give me a break. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Sep 01 - 02:10 PM Here is a link wich Mmario posted which is really worth reading in this context.
More depressingly, here are two reports from today's Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551742,00.html>British Muslims living in fear of backlash, and |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Sep 01 - 02:17 PM Sorry, my fingers are all thumbs today.
Here are the links to those two stories:Violent attacks on Arab Americans and British Muslims living in fear of backlash |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Kim C Date: 14 Sep 01 - 02:24 PM So sad. :-( |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: GUEST Date: 14 Sep 01 - 02:27 PM I'm not sure what Bush has done yet to qualify as a "short-sighted sociopath." What would you have him do that's any different in this matter? |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Sep 01 - 03:06 PM I see those religious bigots Falwell and Robertson are blaming the abortionists and the ACLU for the WTC horror, saying God is mad at the alternate lifestyles and abortion. So far, in my city of about 1 million, there have been no attacks on Muslims. The police have put a small protective unit at the Muslim school. Of course, there are the brainless yahoos who shout hanky-head at any woman with a scarf over her head. We continue to eat at the local Palestinian restaurants that offer good food at affordable prices. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Lonesome EJ Date: 14 Sep 01 - 03:58 PM Rich said In WWII. we took every American of Japanese descent that we could find, and put them in internment camps. Then we went to Germany and attacked them for putting Poles and Jews into camps. Just for the record, we didn't go to Germany and attack them for putting Poles and Jews in concentration camps. We should have, but we didn't. We went there because they were taking over Europe, and because the Japanese attacked us. The fact that we discovered the camp atrocities gave us reason in retrospect only. The Japanese internment is also a grave injustice in retrospect. An invasion was felt to be a very real threat on the West Coast of the US. What would Japan have done had they a huge population of occidentals living on Okinawa? I suspect they might have done much worse. Our government was wrong. It was war. In any war there is suspension of rights and liberties. I suspect we will see more in the coming days. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Kim C Date: 14 Sep 01 - 04:03 PM Hanky-head? I hadn't heard that one before. Some people just suck. Wonder what would happen if we all started wearing turbans and head scarves? I'm game. "I'm Spartacus!" |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: katlaughing Date: 14 Sep 01 - 04:31 PM Lepus Rex said, "Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (who suck)." I) "suck" is a very ugly and suggestive word, in this case, demeaning to all women, imo, and 2)why is it you think this? I have been in close contact with several members for a few years now and find your hostility towards them puzzling. As for "Fallbad" and "RobertsPun" they are both bastards and richly deserve the hell they choose to inhabit when they die. We must be vigilant against their machinations, even more so, in some ways, than the enemy without. kat |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Sep 01 - 04:32 PM Kim, "Hanky-head" is heard in western Canada- I don't know how widespread this word is. It is applied to Moslem women who wear the long dress and head-covering as well as traditional Sikhs (some have abandoned the turban). Long dresses are popular here again so if the head scarf also comes back, there will be litle difference. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: mousethief Date: 14 Sep 01 - 04:51 PM I've never heard "hanky-head." In these parts, there are relatively few Muslim women, but a lot of expats from Ukraine (there is an especially large community of charismatic Christian Ukranians in the Seattle-Tacoma region; I don't know why). So the scarf-wearing women are far more likely to be Christians than Muslims. To demonstrate that "put your money where your mouth is" attitude, I went on my lunch break and bought a potted chrysanthemum, and placed it on the steps of the local mosque, then had a very pleasant chat with the owner of the halal grocery store just down the block from same. A splendid fellow, as the Brits say. He left Afghanistan 21 years ago, and holds the Taliban and bin Laden in the same contempt as any other American does. He says the leaders in places like Afghanistan use religion to whip up the people into hatred; it's a tool to them like any other political tool. In the end we shook hands and parted with kind words. I'm glad I went! As I keep saying, people are just so very doggone much like folks it's amazing. alex |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Kim C Date: 14 Sep 01 - 05:19 PM Good on you, Alex. :-) |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Lepus Rex Date: 14 Sep 01 - 07:14 PM Well, Kat, I think we've been over this before, actually... First, I'll clarify my "who suck" statement. What I actually meant to say was: "who suck monkey ass hard," if that makes it any better. :) And why do I think that the RAWA sucks monkey ass hard? Well, they publish half-truths and distortions about life in Afghanistan on their web site, for one. Much of their information lacks ANY evidence to back it up. A picture with a caption is not evidence. Like I've said before, it's not hard to get pictures of atrocities in Afghanistan from today, or from 20 years ago. Nor is it hard to obtain pictures of women begging. Of course the beggars are going to have a sad story to tell. Beggars always do. That's how they make their money. Whether the stories are true or not, who knows. Not the RAWA, apparently. And just other, little things... A story about the Taleban requiring school boys to wear turbans (accompanied by shocking photos of young boys... in TURBANS!). I mean, how uncommon are scool uniforms in other countries? Western countries? How is a turban different than a suit and tie? Stupid stories like that, where practices common in other countries are labelled as "extreme," simply because they happen in an Islamic country, just piss me off. Those are just some of the reasons that I think the RAWA sucks monkey ass hard. I actually agree with much of what the the RAWA claim they're trying to accomplish. But when their methods are so questionable and their information so obviously fabricated to further their political agenda, I can't support them. And I don't see why so many Westerners blindly accept their claims as absolute truth and offer their support to them, either. But this is WAY off topic for this thread, so I'll shut up. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 14 Sep 01 - 07:37 PM Dear "Thieving Rodent" ... EVERYTHING appears to be "very important to"(YOU)
Other threads and members have chastised you - so now again but in a Musical Spirit:
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Sep 01 - 08:15 PM Mousethief, I am in Alberta, so know the Ukranians well. They make up over half the people in many areas in central Alberta. The major emigration was from 1900-1930, but with a small peak after the last war. Most of the older people who habitually wore head scarves are now gone, but scarves are still common- it can be windy, dry and dusty here. We have a fair number of Muslim people in our two major cities, with their own mosque (very attractive building, I think there are others but I speak of the one in my part of town) and their own schools. They are in many lines of work and pay taxes like good citizens should. Of course the "hanky-head" appelation comes from what we used to call the pool hall crowd years ago (now the pool salons are upscale, so I don't really know where these yahoos hang out). They still jeer at anyone different from the average. A number of Sikhs and Muslims drive taxis here and are occasionally harassed. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Sep 01 - 09:56 PM Just saw on the BBC News carried on cable here, Arafat and a number of his people giving blood to sent to New York. I have yet to see this on the American news channels. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Paul from Hull Date: 14 Sep 01 - 10:06 PM Dicho, I'm surprised (& not a little worried) by that... Arafat gave blood on WEDNESDAY or possibly Thursday, & I had assumed it was common knowledge in the States now. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: GUEST,Arjay Date: 16 Sep 01 - 01:30 AM I think it's unfortunate that the media (TV, especially) gave as much coverage as they did on the 11th and 12th to the arab/muslim people who were celebrating in the streets (the way folks over here did when we bombed Hiroshima). There were, of course, many other arab/muslim people, as well as Americans who are muslim and/or of arab ancestry who were grieving along with Europe, Canada, the US, etc. The racist attacks would have occurred without that, as they did in WWII, but I think the media fanned the flames of racial-religious-ethnic hostility. Not only is this type of bigotry immoral but it threatens to turn our country into the type of terror zone we say we want to avoid. As you folks are saying, we really need to take a firm and very visible stand against the harrassment of and attacks on Arab Americans (and others who are mistakenly thought to be). Arjay |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: mike putt Date: 16 Sep 01 - 04:00 AM Alex you are right but as Guest said you are preaching to the converted. How can this message be got across to the few hotheads that are going to make a pigs ear of the whole thing. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Callie Date: 16 Sep 01 - 08:01 AM The only way to do it is to be vocal in our own dealings with people in a day to day situation. There's no point tolerating ignorance on such matters for the sake of keeping the peace (ha! sic!). There's fresh anti-Arab graffiti on my local bus-shelter. i have not ever seen this in my area before. If it isn't washed off by tomorrow night when i drive home from work I'm going to spray over it myself. We have experienced similar ignorant acts in Australia. The last time Indonesia sent troops into East Timor, a local Indonesian Australian performer who had big public gigs lined up was told that his gigs had been cancelled because the organisers did not want to be seen to be taking sides with Indonesia. What a stupid thing to do - this particular performer has been very active in human rights and Timor freedom issues. Callie |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Sep 01 - 09:12 AM Attacks against Muslims have to be recognised as what they are - actions which in effect serve the ends of the terrorists.
Anybody taking part in them should be treated as allies of the people who carried out the atrocity on Tuesday. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: MiriamKilmer Date: 16 Sep 01 - 10:43 AM I figured I'd be preaching to the choir if I posted this on Mudcat. On Thursday I posted this message to most of the people I know who are in my email address book: --- http://www.infobeat.com/articles/news_head_3_91401.html Arabs under Siege in US Members of local Muslim communities held their breath yesterday as New York's boiling temper exploded following the devastating terrorist attacks that left thousands dead. From Brooklyn to Long Island, there were confrontations, acts of vandalism and catcalling directed at Muslims. Police stood guard outside local mosques and there was an increased presence in heavily Muslim neighborhoods. Along Brooklyn's Atlantic Avenue - home to a substantial Arab community - a nasty edge tinged the air. One woman expressed disgust that so many stores in the neighborhood were open. "Go back to your own f---ing country," yelled Stephanie Jankowitz at the Arab owner of a barber shop. "You're open today? How can you be open today?" she said to the proprietor, who only smiled back. Afterward, Jankowitz - who lives in Brooklyn - said she was furious with all Arab-Americans because of the attack. "I'm so angry, those people should go back to their own country," she said. "They're living off the wealth of this country. All those shops should be closed. "Let just let one of them smile at me today. I'll spit in their face." That sentiment was shared by others. A Post reporter witnessed two men driving a car with a sign taped to the rear window that said: "Kill all Palestinians." Many Muslim residents refused to comment on the tragedy and the bustling neighborhood was significantly quieter that usual yesterday. ---- Hate and violence breeds hate and violence. Friendship, understanding, and tolerance breed peace. I'm going to my local Afghani restaurant for lunch. --- I got a reply right away from a friend who wanted to go with me. She and her sister picked me up. We had a delicious meal, friendly service, and felt we were really doing something to combat prejudice. My brother and his family followed suit that evening. He wrote that "the poor souls had American flags and 'God Bless America' sickers all over the place."
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: CraigS Date: 16 Sep 01 - 08:07 PM I want to clarify a few things - 1) Sunni Muslims are the conformists, who worship God in the ways the prophet laid down. 2) Shia Muslims are non-conformists, who do not follow the rule of the prophet as strictly. In both branches there are fundamentalists, who wish to adhere to old-fashioned values. While there are many paths to enlightenment, there is no true path that embraces violence against fellow humans. The message of Christ was non-violence - turn the other cheek. Historically, the message of Islam was spread violently across Europe, but was eventually repelled. The Spanish expelled their Muslim rulers in 1491, and the Ottoman Empire effectively fell in 1845, releasing the Balkan states from subjugation, but leaving the converts to Islam to the mercy of their new rulers - and the ethnic cleansing of recent years. The problem is that most Muslims are from primitive cultures, which are hundreds of years behind the western world in terms of their belief systems, but are in co-existence. They can point out the better points of their societies which are lost in the modern world, and say that they have a nicer way of existence. The truth is that neither is right - we must learn from the past, but move to the future- which must not include death and misery. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Sep 01 - 08:36 PM "The problem is that most Muslims are from primitive cultures, which are hundreds of years behind the western world in terms of their belief systems" - the propblem with putting it that way is that it suggested that morality is determined by chronology, and that it necessarily advances. Since the 2Oth century western world produced Nazi Germany, I don't think that assumption holds water. "Primitive" doesn't tell you a damn about issues of right and wrong. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: CraigS Date: 16 Sep 01 - 09:11 PM To McGrath: Nazi Germany was an extreme expression of the desire to hold nationalistic views, as opposed to humanistic views. The extermination of Muslims in Croatia under the puppet Nazi rule led to a lack of Muslims to exterminate when the recent ethnic cleansing of Croatia took place, just as the rather older massacres of Jews in York have led to a low Jewish population in York. Were I not a humanist, I could see a case for massacring all McGraths in Harlow. The analogy is that comparable violent events have occurred in the past, when questions of ideology have been advanced. In the main, such events have been hundreds of years ago. Where this is not the case they have been SO OFFENSIVE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD AS TO PROVOKE WAR. Nazi Germany no longer exists. Your argument died with it. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: GUEST,Martin Luther Date: 17 Sep 01 - 10:51 AM I am with McGrath, Nazi Germany may be dead, but Nazism isn't. This extreme fundamentalism (and various offshoots of it) are generally linked directly to extreme interpretations of Christianity. If Islam is primitive, then so is Christianity. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Sep 01 - 11:42 AM The point I was making was that Nazi Geremany was a product of 20th century Western "Civilisation". It is a dramatic example of the clear truth that technological development does not necessarily lead to an advance in ethics.
Unfortunately it's just not true that "in the main, such events have been hundreds of years ago" - the 20th Century was the bloodiest on record, largely because of our advanced technology. In the same way the slave trade and chattel slavery, especiually in America, developed as it did because technology and economic mechanisms had developed to a level that that made it possible and profitable.
And it wasn't Nazi Germany's offensive behaviour towards its own citizens that led to its defeat in war. It was its mistake in starting wars against people who were in the end more powerful.
As for McGraths in Harlow - well there aren't that many of us, so I don't get the point. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: SINSULL Date: 17 Sep 01 - 12:01 PM For the latest from CNN: Click Here |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: LoopySanchez Date: 17 Sep 01 - 12:06 PM Hating all Muslims for the acts of a few extremists would be like hating all Christians because a select group commit violence on abortion clinics, or another group bombs Catholic school girls in Belfast. Taken a step further, that kind of hatred would be not unlike hating all southern white males because of Tim McVeigh's terrorist attack in Oklahoma City. I pray that cooler heads will prevail and that this mass hysteria towards Muslims in America will be brought swiftly to an end. From what we know so far, all of our enemies in this attack were Arabs, but this does not mean that all Arabs are our enemies. I hope the good-ol'-boy mentality (which is easy to find in my city, despite it's diverse population and technical industries) manages to keep its voice as low as the IQ's of the people who think that way. Quoth Gump, "That's all I have to say about that..." |
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Subject: Nazism? From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Sep 01 - 12:36 PM I think it's quite valid to say that Nazism died with Hitler. Other movements may arise and make use of the name, but I don't think that the system of government known as "National Socialism" could exist without the person of Adolf Hitler. All my life, I've studied the history of modern Germany, pondering why something so horrible could exist in such a civilized nation. As far as I can see, Nazism is the result of the unique combination of a number of elements - and the personality of Adolf Hilter is an essential part of that combination. Nazism was not really a political system - it was a cult which centered upon the person of Adolf Hitler. As the last week has shown, our world will produce other movements that will be as terrible as Nazi Germany. There will be similarities, but true Nazism cannot exist without Adolf Hitler. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: GeorgeH Date: 17 Sep 01 - 12:41 PM Last week "As terrible as Nazi Germany" - sorry, Joe, but I think not. Except, of course, at the level of the personal suffering of the victims and those related/connected to them, but that's common to all (almost?) acts of violence against humankind. G. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: catspaw49 Date: 17 Sep 01 - 12:54 PM FBI Director Mueller just announced that they are actively pursuing those involved in hate crimes against Arab-Americans and will prosecute under Federal Civil Rights Laws. Yaeh, I know it might be rhetoric, but I think the government is sincere in this. Then again, maybe I'm just gullible. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: DougR Date: 17 Sep 01 - 01:13 PM I agree with you Joe. These off-shoots of Nazism are troublesome, but without a Hitler, they will never compare to the Nazi era of the thirties and forties. I don't know if your local newspapers carried the story, but I am sad to report that our Valley mourns the senseless murder of a man, Balbir Singh Sodhi, that took place over the weekend in Mesa, a suburb of Phoenix. There seems to be no motive other than the fact that the Killer assumed the man was an Arab. Why? He wore a turban. He wasn't. He was a Sikh, and a highly respected business owner. The idiot that murdered him (shot him twice in the back) has been arrested and charged with first degree murder, and for attempting to murder three others who he thought were Arabs. DougR |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: GUEST,Martin Luther Date: 17 Sep 01 - 01:51 PM I don't think that a movement or ideology needs its founding leader to persist. The cult surrounding a dead person can be just as harmful as the cult of personality surrounding the living. However, rather than argue that point, let me simply modify my original terminology to "Neo-Nazis." Other than that, the logic of my comments still stands. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: katlaughing Date: 17 Sep 01 - 07:24 PM Neo-Nazism is alive and well and it is naive to think it cannot exist without Hitler. Maybe it cannot exist in as concerted an effort, but it does exist and he is their martyred leader, something which can certainly fuel extreme acts of hatred. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Sep 01 - 01:48 PM The point about Nazism is that it came out of our Western culture, in one of the most advanced, civilised and cultured societies, in a country with democratic institutions.
It's not going to come back in that form. But the fact that it could happen, and that it was very popular, is a warning. Many of the attitudes that allowed it to come to power are still current, in all countries. |
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Subject: Nazism / National Socialism From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Sep 01 - 02:34 PM There's a big difference between Nazism and the neo-Nazis. Under his system, Hitler was able to take over a very civilized country and govern it quite effectively for 13 years - and a major reason for that effectiveness was his personality and intelligence. That being the case, I think you could validly call Nazism a "system of government." Neo-Nazism is certainly a political movement, and a very frightening one - but it has shown no signs that it could actually govern a nation. And yes, I stand firm on my contention that the world can still produce a movement as terrible as Nazi Germany - but not the same as Nazi Germany. As the events of last week have shown, we have not conquered evil. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Kim C Date: 18 Sep 01 - 02:50 PM Shot him in the back! Jee-ZIS! What an ignorant f*****g coward. I need a drink. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Kim C Date: 19 Sep 01 - 02:04 PM On last night's local news there was a report of a Muslim family having their van set on fire - not too awfully far from where I live. They left Iraq to get away from Saddam Hussein. Now the man's wife is afraid to leave the house. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: GUEST,Nazism Schmazism Date: 19 Sep 01 - 02:51 PM I think that we are wasting our time arguing about Nazism vs. Neo-Nazism and whether Nazism could engulf a state again. The fundamental point is that both are found in modern, Christian Western states and suggest that in terms of the potential for violence and extreme interpretations of religious ideology, the Moslem faith is not the only religion that should be painted as primitive. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: kendall Date: 19 Sep 01 - 07:53 PM A few days ago in Bangor Maine, some mouth breathing, knuckle dragging arshole attacked a man who owns a restaurant. The owner is Pakistani, and the moron was arrested. Far from being a focus of rage, the locals have been flocking to his place, and even waithing in lines to get it. What better way to show support? I'd like to ask that shithead if he ever heard of the internment of Japanese Americans in WW2. I also saw something that gave me a chuckle. In the back window of an old pickup truck, a hand painted flag, and the words GOD BLESS AMERACA. Must be one of them fonetics students! *BG* |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Donuel Date: 19 Sep 01 - 08:53 PM I heard the phrase that bin Laden's network is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity to the 10th power. I predicted Bush would have someone else symbolicly call for an end to domestic attacks against American Muslims. I was wrong, he addressed the issue from the Islamic center 3 days after it had a bomb threat. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Lox Date: 19 Sep 01 - 09:50 PM I anticipate problems in the UK I think the political-Right here is growing dangerously on the sly. The BNP (British National Party) won almost 10% of the vote in Oldham, and yet, the resulting riots in both Oldham and Bradford between white youths and Moslem youths did not deter the Conservative Party from choosing Ian Duncan Smith as their leader. What's the connection? Edgar Griffen! Ian Duncan Smiths private secretary. His son, Nick, is the head of the BNP, and his wife is a fervent campaigner on their behalf. The mirror phoned the BNP hotline, and Edgar answered the phone. How? - By saying *hello* - *British National Party here*! Duncan Smith claimed not to know! Bollox!!!! Either he knew, or the selection procedure for those wishing to attain high office in the Conservative party doesn't involve asking any questions about your political interests or affiliations. Either way, (I live in Leicester where we are proud to boast the most multicultural population in England), The moslems on my street are a little less happy about venturing outside, and whatever my relationship with them was before, it has changed to one of fear, and believe me I'm not the one who's scared. I hate it. I am sick of it. The best summer of my life has ended with a bang! Whoever did this thing is a PRICK. They have created Paranoia where it did not exist, and they have confirmed prejudice and stupidity where it might have been redeemable. An extremely poor nation trying to recover from 25 years of oppression and war is about to be bombed again. It won't be possible to bomb it into the stone age as that has already been fully and comprehensively done. Whats more, we can't even be sure that Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with it. - Ever since his attempt to bomb the WTC in 1993 his assets have been frozen. - Ever since the same, his family have ceased giving him any money. - No large payments have been traced going in or out of Afghanistan since then. (especially now that the Taliban have stopped their most lucrative source of income - Opium/Heroin/Morphine etc.) - It is likely that his suspected fortune wasn't as big as 300 mill anyway, as the money inherited by his family had to be split between about 50 brothers. ______________________________________________________ Have you ever gone to a football match and asked everyone to keep the noise down? Have you ever gone to see a stadium rock band and asked the crowd to be patient? (The guy on stage can do it - get on stage brothers and sisters) Have you ever thought about getting the worlds population to hang on and wait to see what the evidence says, before ganging up on Sikhs. (I have just laughed out loud. I have an image of the look of incredulity on the mans face.....I also have an image of his fear......FUCK!.....) I've forgotten where I read it, but Kendall spoke of oxen and violins. It's at times like this that you need to have faith that you are a good enough Violin player to enchant any sentient being. A human is a human and I'm not afraid of my humanity, darkside and light alike. Neither am I afraid of Osama, or of Survivalists, or of the BNP, or Ian Duncan Smith. How many of us are there on the mudcat. This many people talking this seriously and sensibly is a force to be reckoned with. Let yourselves be heard. Play your violins like you have never played them. Not in a contrived way, not in a straight technical way, but with heart, sensitivity and feeling. Just look at the obedience in those oxens big brown eyes. Enough for now - I'm off to puke to the masses. lox |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: kendall Date: 19 Sep 01 - 09:53 PM Ex president Clinton in an interview yesterday, said three times that we should rally behind the president. Is there an alternative? What a difference in speaking styles! Bill put sentences together and everything.He even made sense. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Lepus Rex Date: 21 Sep 01 - 04:30 AM Did anyone out there vote for this here gomer? I just love the South... ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Wolfgang Date: 05 Apr 02 - 06:10 AM from a breaking news website: A man who went out to shoot immigrants in revenge for the September 11th attacks was sentenced to death for killing a petrol station owner. The Dallas jury that convicted stone worker Mark Stroman (32) of murder on Tuesday condemned him to death for killing Vasudev Patel (49), a naturalised US citizen from India, last October. Wolfgang (who loves follow ups on stories) |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: Celtic Soul Date: 05 Apr 02 - 06:45 AM I think you're preaching to the choir here, Alex. With you hook line and sinker. |
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Subject: RE: ATTACKS ON ARAB-AMERICANS MUST STOP! From: GUEST,native Date: 05 Apr 02 - 09:19 AM Does anyone know the money treatment and medical treatment that former vietman prisoners of war got on their return to U.S.A. |
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