BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia

Subject: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 09:22 AM

In her interview with ABC's Charlie Gibson, Sarah Palin was asked what her thoughts were with regard to the continuing international tension in Georgia. She responded that in her opinion Georgia had not provoked the Russian invasion, that the two provinces in question should be returned to Georgia, and that she would recommend that an invitation be extended to Georgia to join NATO. When asked what would happen if the Russians invaded again after NATO membership were granted, she responded that she "wouldn't blink" but would recommend a military response.

Gibson was clearly impressed with her zealous response, and did not pursue further questions on that issue or what the world might look like after a nuclear exchange.

Of course, Palin is an international expert with regard to Russia,, given the proximity of Russia to Alaska. Why you can even see a Russian island from an Alaskan island on a clear day. What I fail to see is any sign of understanding, or "lessons learned" from the Bush Administration's international military interventions, on the part of this Vice Presidential candidate. Evidently, diplomacy is not one of her smart suits.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Bee
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 09:36 AM

One can only hope that if she ever actually became president, there would be enough relatively sane people around her to prevent her destroying half the planet.

How can someone so ignorant of world affairs even be a politician, let alone VP candidate of the most militarily powerful country in the world?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:17 AM

Georgia had not provoked the Russian invasion

Actually, I think not. I think we're getting highly biased news of the situation in Georgia. They both have negatives against them in this regard. You need to read news accounts in offshore news sources to get more information about the nonsense Georgia has been up to also.

One can only hope that if she ever actually became president, there would be enough relatively sane people around her . . .

If she ended up in that position the insanity would be complete already.

And the answer is:

Charlie Gibson is far more qualified to be VP than Sarah Palin is.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:19 AM

On CTV this morning, David Frum suggested that she seemed overly coached in her responses.

He said that most media coaches advise their clients that they do not have to answer every question, especially in sensitive areas.

Maybe a better response may have been (IMO):

"Major foreign policy decisions are for the President to make. I leave these type questions for Senator McCain, the Presidential canidate, to address. I am aware that the vice president is required to take on various roles, when asked. I am prepared and am experienced to take on any role, if the need ever arises".

If pressed, she may add:
"Georgia is not a member of NATO. I see a need to speculate on what may or may not happen in the future. If elected, Senator McCain and I will deal with important foreign policy issues as they evolve.

If further pressed:
If elected, suspect we would not solve evolving and important foreign policy decisions through the media. We would do this discussion with partner nations". There is a time to discuss these tpye issues through the media. But, there is a time to keep your cards close to your chest, as not to negatively influence potentally viotile situations. This is one of these issues".

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:28 AM

IMO, when one rushes to answer sensitive questions, that may be best not answered, (or better answered by others) it gives an impression of inexperience to many, not experience.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:35 AM

BTW, I am not suggesting that Palin is inexperienced. But, since the claim has already been brought into the public domain, it is important from a PR perspective not to reinforce it (regardless of whether it is accurate or inaccurate).

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:41 AM

perhaps the antichrist is actually a woman....

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:55 AM

Ed T for Vice Pres!

Well, you do score highly on how to deal cautiously with media questions. But in this case Palin made the mistake of appearing to be a loose cannon on the deck of a full-rigged ship with three sheets to the wind on a lee shore.

Charlie Gibson should be ashamed to ask her such important questions.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:01 AM

I don't agree, Charley. Whether or not it was intentinal, asking leading questions whose answers reveal an unacceptable mindset is the important part.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:03 AM

Ah, but did he ask it with deference?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Amos
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:29 AM

Why should one speak with deferwence to a pig wearing lipstick? Or was that someone else?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Amos
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:39 AM

"A reader writes:

After watching that interview, can anyone honestly say that they think that Sarah Palin, the person who would take over the country in the event something happens to McCain, has more knowledge of policy than Charlie Gibson, the person giving the interview?

And isn't it supposed to be the other way around?

...Okay, isn't it at least supposed to be close??"

(Atlantic.com)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:53 AM

Well, one thing is for sure and that McCain's people have prepped her up and so, just as McCain, she would push the US toward Cold War II with all her bluster and sabre rattlin'... I mean, lets get real here... Waht she said is Georgia and Ukraine should be brought into NATO and if the Russians attack them than we should be prepared to defend them...

That, "my friends", is the McCain foriegn policy and it is terribly wreckless...

Even Bush has finally figured out to keep his mouth shut because when the chin music starts the bullets aren't far behind...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:05 PM

Ebbie-

Sarcasm is so difficult to make explicit in these posts, even when one uses italics.

After the Gibsons interview, ABC should consider rerunning Norther Exposure!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:12 PM

Oops, Charley. I done it again.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:21 PM

After it was explained to Sarah what the Bush Doctrine was (the right of the USA to pre emptively invade aany soverign country)

she was entirely for it.

Look out Russia

Look out Alaska

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:22 PM

Jaysus! It sounds as though Gibson is having to educate her as he questions!

Part 1 on youtube with subsequent parts listed.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:28 PM

When you listen to even bits from the interview you see how absurd her choice is, how underqualified she is. You could pick a 44-year-old woman off of the street anywhere in the U.S. and come up with someone equally well equipped--which isn't enough either. You need someone who know what they're doing, who isn't just a "quick study" at parroting answers.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:30 PM

In all fairness, the "Bush Doctrine" was kinda a bogus question as it has never really been wpelled out in a "white paper"... I'll give her that one...

But what I won't give her is the same thing I won't give John McCain and that is they both advocate a narrow minded, illegal foriegn policy...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: SINSULL
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:42 PM

I hope she has lots more interviews with all sorts of papers, TV programs, people on the street. It will give us an opportunity to learn all about her and her plans for the presidency.





Sarcasm, Ebbie. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Bee
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:17 PM

I also saw the bit of that interview where she tried to explain what she means when she throws God into the notion of what the military should be doing and whether a war (like the present ones) are Divinely approved of or directed. It was plain she was having difficulty making the answers acceptable to the interviewer/public while remaining loyal to her beliefs. Her body language was defensive, her sentences were slow coming and haltingly phrased. This is not good. I have no problem with a politician having personal beliefs, but when those beliefs are so out of sinc with current reality that one cannot freely express them without endangering one's image and political prospects in a predominantly theist nation, that suggests one is not going to be able to govern at the will of the people.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Peace
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:32 PM

"When you listen to even bits from the interview you see how absurd her choice is, how underqualified she is. You could pick a 44-year-old woman off of the street anywhere in the U.S. and come up with someone equally well equipped--which isn't enough either. You need someone who know what they're doing, who isn't just a "quick study" at parroting answers."

The American public is not made up of people with your intelligence, SRS. Remember that.

The woman is a twit, and she's getting too much attention here and elsewhere, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Amos
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:42 PM

Bloomberg.com reports:

"Sept. 12 (Bloomberg) -- The question of experience came up again last night: Was the man of the moment prepared for the difficult task at hand? Did he have the chops?

ABC News anchor Charles Gibson got the get, the first mano- a-womano sit down with the Republican vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin. He had the chops.

Palin may not have blinked when John McCain asked her to be his running mate. Last night, however, found her frozen in the Klieg lights as the dogged interlocutor set his sights on his visitor.

Peering down at Palin through reading glasses set at the tip of his nose, foot circling over knee ever more impatiently, Gibson, 65, wouldn't let her coast. Yes, she had mastered the pronunciation of Georgia president Mikhail Saakashvili's name, not to mention that of Iran's Mahmud Ahmadinejad. And maybe that would have been good enough on ``Good Morning America.''

But no-one had coached her in something called the Bush Doctrine. Doctrine? What doctrine would that be, Charlie?

Palin, 44, apparently never heard of the Bush Doctrine until yesterday. She flashed a smile nearly as frozen as her running- mate's and did that tenth-grader thing of tap-dancing around the question, skittishly ad libbing her way with gibberish about Bush's ``global vision.''

Gibson was having none of it, pressing her for specifics she didn't have at her command and finally -- his glare set to iceberg blue, foot circling like a lasso -- he impatiently explained what the doctrine is, when it was introduced, and gave her another chance to answer.

Few Overseas Trips

My sympathy for Palin lasted only as long as it took me to remember that it was Palin who had insisted, at the top of the interview, that she's ready to lead the country on a moment's notice. Asked whether she had ever been outside the U.S. before her recent trip to the Middle East, she answered, ``Canada. Mexico.'' Asked what heads of state she had dealt with, she referenced all those trade delegations that came to Alaska looking to do some business.

When the interview turned to Iraq and Iran, Palin's innocence of diplomatic nuance, not to mention global politics, was something she couldn't dance around. We're America, she said, we don't have to put up with those uppity Eye-ranians.

Does she believe we are doing God's will in Iraq? ``I wouldn't presume to know God's will, Charlie,'' she answered gamely. Gibson was ready with a clip of her sermonizing not long ago in church and she danced around that one, too.

Gibson didn't ask the candidate if she has any clue about the principle of separation of church and state on which her beloved United States was founded. I wish he had.

..."

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 02:26 PM

Palin did look a lot like a deer caught in the glare of headlights during the interview.

Maybe she'll feel more empathy for the deer the next time she's out trying to "jack" one.

"Jacking deer" by the way is hunters slang for stalking deer after dark with a spotlight, something which is illegal in Maine but God knows what's legal in Alaska.

I do understand she has hunted and bagged a moose or two; moose are pretty easy to shoot since all you have to do is walk up to one and blast away.

She also supports a bounty for shooting timber wolves, and thinks it's sporting to gun them down from airplanes.

She's certainly no wimp! (sarcastic statement)

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Peace
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 02:32 PM

The trick with moose is to herd the animal close to where yer vehicle is and shoot it there. They are ONE BIG MEMBER of the deer family.

Shooting animals from airplanes is disgusting. It should be illegal to any and everyone except wildlife officers, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 02:47 PM

"Well, you do score highly on how to deal cautiously with media questions"

Thanks Charles,but I am not qualified, and far from experienced enough for that high post.

I suggest that caution is normally as much exercised in elections as it is in diplomacy. (You know, the old think before you talk rule).

I suspect caution is also advised when one is running for Vice President, not President (whom common sense would tell me makes the really big decisions on policy diring an election and after one).

In addition, McCain has huge foreign policy experience, so why not defer to the better? One should understand that VP statements can be viewed as speaking for McCain, and could paint him into a policy corner? Outside protocol, success at the ballot box can be directly impacted by a loss of respect for cautioun, and well thought out responses, especially in a first interview (first impressions can never be made again).

I hope "the Ruskies" were not watching the TV (or NATO partners). If so, the "poker player" advantage (as displayed by Kennedy in the Cuban missile crisis) may have just been lost.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Bee
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 03:26 PM

Well, if I were Putin, I'd be alternately giggling and getting cold sweats. On the one hand, she's obviously pretty uneducated about world politics, OTOH, she's a single burst blood vessel away from being able to order up Armageddon.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 03:38 PM

Following this policy, I wonder how many wars/interventions the USA could sustain at one time?

May be a good time to scoop up stocks on the market in Military hardware companies?   But, would one have enough quality time to enjoy the extra loot:)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 04:46 PM

Intervention? Well, when we are run out of Afghanistan again that will free up some manpower.

But as for a roasting - you jest. Did you never see David Frost or Jeremy Paxman in full flight?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 04:57 PM

I much prefer a film version of what could happen if the McKain/Palin team were elected to the reality. It might be titled "The Moose that Roared" or "Lipstick on a Prig."

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Bill H //\\
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 05:00 PM

Many newspaper critics notwithstanding I thought Gibson's interview was a gem. I have to admit that of all the queries the one about the "..Bush Doctrine"" was a true gem. Though I do believe it might have been a "gotcha" question since I don't recall that Bush ever had what one can call a "doctrine"--leave alone feeling comfortable with such a word.

It is ironic that Gibson was chosen as interviewer since, according to some media reports, they purposely did not want NBC involved because of their connection with MSNBC --Keith Oberman, etc;==and CBS because Katie Couric would not have been a contrast---perky you know. Well, they got what they deserved---Charlie Gibson who can say "...git offa my lawn" as well as McCain. You had to love---"...that is a torrent of words---what about an answer(paraphrase)."

Another gem---she came just short of threatening Russia with war and does not realize the nuances that are required--nor did she realize the issues involved in the Georgia situation--helped along by the belligerent head of that state sucking us into a situation that he believed (probably correctly) that the over-reacting Bush administration would agree with. Except for Cheney he miscalculated.

The bottom line to all this seems, to me, that McCain has merely proved his pandering to his base and not his leadership in choosing her. We also have to realize that choosing a president is what it is about and not a VP---except for 1 thing. That "thing" is how qualified is the nominee to be Pres. should the head of the ticket die or be disabled. Nothing more has to be said there. You can draw your own conclusions as between people like Lieberman, Palin, and Biden in that position.

One has to believe that after the Sarah novelty wears off she will end up in the Geraldine Ferraro league of---"oops" from the fellow who chose her. Who know what other things he did not know--and then she can return the rented suit her daughter's lover wore to look good. I know they are off limits for criticism, but then one would have hoped she would not have put her family front and center in the media.

Oh--one other thig--strong women. Michelle Obama will surely make a fine 1st lady--we have had a few like that---Hillary and Eleanor come to mind---bet they could have been pretty good VPs--and Ps

The only thing that I think stands tall for Georgia are the Pines---but that is in the Georgia near Alabama.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 05:01 PM

How could I forget "Doctor Strangelove"?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Big Phil
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 05:35 PM

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Phil*

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: DougR
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 05:56 PM

You folks are really scared aren't you?

What Charlie did not point out in his first post is that she went on to say it did not HAVE to lead to war. Diplomatic measures (including economic)would be the first choice.

I'm sure as brilliant as most of you folks are, however, that belonging to NATO has certain responsibilities. One of them is going to the aid of other fellow NATO countries in the event of invasion by an outside country (such as Russia). Right?

Jeeze.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Peace
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 06:00 PM

Well, Doug, if they ain't scared please know that I am.

Hope things are well, buddy.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 06:12 PM

Only after Charlie rephrased the question a second time did Ms. Sarah bring in diplomacy... No, actually, I think it was the 3rd rephrasing of the question...

This is what bothers me... She, like McCain, thinks war first...We've had 7 years of that mentalitry and in the words of Dr. Phil, "Is it working for you?"...

Well, no, it isn't... Ms. Sarah is another hothead and she would have US in the middle of Cold War II in no time at all if she were president... And not because that is what she believes but because that is what she thinks the right wingers who support her wnat her to believe...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 06:15 PM

Even the conservative radio shock jocks like Mark Levin all have amnesia when it comes to the US missles being put in Poland despite Russian protests.

They way, what missles, where? You don't know what you're talking about.

They could look in Condi's scheduled visits and Euro Newspapers, but that would be like, you know, aknowledging the truth.

It is easier to deny memory that debate the issue or say the issue even exists.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: DougR
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 06:22 PM

Did none of you see Obama on the political forum telecast last night on CNN? Your hero is now advocating a sharp increase in the size of the military! Even scolded his alma mater, Columbia University, for not having allowed the ROTC or military recruiters on campus since 1969,

Can this be the same Obama that ran for president in the Democrat primary? Is this a sign that he is leaning more to the right now? Why would he propose a sharp increase in the size of the military? Is he preparing to invade some country (like Pakistan)if he his elected?

It's a puzzlement.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 06:40 PM

Conditions for membership in Nato, from their web-site.
Does Georgia now qualify? With their August 7th attack on South Ossetia, did they break the NATO membership conditions?

Have they "worked to resolve outstanding disputes with neighbours and have made an overall commitment to the peaceful settlement of disputes"
?

Have they "treated minority populations in accordance with the guidelines of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE)" ?


NATO
Aspirant countries are expected to participate in the Membership Action Plan to prepare for potential membership and demonstrate their ability to meet the obligations and commitments of possible future membership. They must then be officially invited by NATO to begin accession talks with the Alliance.

Countries seeking NATO membership have to be able to demonstrate that they are in a position to further the principles of the 1949 Washington Treaty and contribute to security in the Euro-Atlantic area. In addition, they are also expected to meet certain political, economic and military goals, which are laid out in the 1995 Study on NATO Enlargement. These include providing evidence:

    * that they each represent a functioning democratic, political system based on a market economy;
    * that they treat minority populations in accordance with the guidelines of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE);
    * that they have worked to resolve outstanding disputes with neighbours and have made an overall commitment to the peaceful settlement of disputes;
    * have the ability and willingness to make a military contribution to the Alliance and to achieve interoperability with other members' forces;
    * and are committed to democratic civil-military relations and institutional structures.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: heric
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 07:09 PM

DougR: McCain today said: "This diplomatic escalation, which follows Bolivia's expulsion of the American ambassador there, reminds us anew of the dangerous trends in our own hemisphere."

Are Republicans scared of Bolivia?

Haiti?

Cuba?


I think many of them are. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Amos
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 07:22 PM

Their baseline position, and McCains lifetime-long perspective, has been one of fear sublimated into violence, a dog-eat-dog world in which force is the only true rule of the day and the only law ultimately worth respecting. They live in a word dedicated to the discovery of and the manufacture of threats, collisions, and violent contests.

It is sad that this is a wavelength to which so many, hypnotized and shocked into resonance, respond.

The worst part is that it is self-fulfilling. Sarah will find her war.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer back in the shop again!)
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:15 PM

I heard a radio interview with the pastor of a Wasilla Baptist church yesterday. He said that Sarah Palin is willing to "shake hands with the Devil" but fight him all the way. "In this case," he went on, "the Devil is me. I'm pastor of a liberal Baptist church and she attends an Assembly of God church." (Assembly of God is Pentecostal—speaking in tongues, that sort of thing; sometimes referred to as "Holy Rollers") "She sees things in black and white. Good and evil. Since our churches don't agree theologically, she is cordial to me face to face, but she makes it plain that she regards me as an agent of the Devil."

Who, other than liberal Christian churches, is she liable to put on her "Axis of Evil" list?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:13 AM

[[Bloomberg.com reports:

"Sept. 12 (Bloomberg) -- ... ABC News anchor Charles Gibson got the get, the first mano- a-womano sit down with the Republican vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin. ...]]

Tangential, but this misunderstanding of what "mano-a-mano" means drives me nuts! If people are going to use -- or try to cleverly adapt -- a foreign language phrase, maybe they should first find out its actual translation.

"Mano-a-mano" means hand-to-hand.

(Of course, if our Hispanic friends have given in to their gringo brothers' misuse of the phrase and started using "mano-a-mano" to mean "man-to-man," the way other "Spanglish" terms have been adopted, I will sigh and stand corrected.   But it strikes me like it does when English-speaking people confusing "cajones" (boxes) with "cojones" (balls). Aarghh!
Where's that "Pedant" thread when you need it?)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:21 AM

Charley Noble said, "I do understand she has hunted and bagged a moose or two; moose are pretty easy to shoot since all you have to do is walk up to one and blast away."

In the immortal words of Mason Williams,
"How 'bout them moose goosers?
It'll turn ya puce.
Just hide out in the bushes
An' goose a drowsy moose!"

"She also supports a bounty for shooting timber wolves, and thinks it's sporting to gun them down from airplanes."
She also 1) authorizes ordinary citizens to "cull" the wolf population this way, instead of leaving that to wildlife authorities, and 2) pays a bounty for each right foreleg of a wolf turned in.
So who knows how many of these wolves are actually dead when their legs are hacked off and how many are left to die in slow agony from their wounds?   And who's keeping track of the wolf population stats towards the goal of "controlling" their population without wrecking the ecological balance?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:22 AM

Pedants unite. Make that "cleverly to adapt" please.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:31 AM

LOL, Richard!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:43 AM

By the sounds of it, the book I learned about today goes a ways in showing how we got to this point vis a vis what Amos said:

They live in a word dedicated to the discovery of and the manufacture of threats, collisions, and violent contests.

You may read about it in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Genie
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:49 AM

Doug R asked:
"Can this be the same Obama that ran for president in the Democrat primary?"
No. I'm not familiar with the "Democrat Party." But this is the same Obama who is the Presidential nominee for the Democratic Party.
xx Genie

Oh, and I do think he's tacking to the right (center-wards) than a lot of pacificists and progressives would like. But I'm not sure anyone can get elected President of the US today without appearing to be centrist. Hence Sarah Palin's carefully crafting her answers to Charlie G to sound mainstream and not nearly as divisive as her previous actions and statements have been.
=============================
Bill H said:
"Many newspaper critics notwithstanding I thought Gibson's interview was a gem. I have to admit that of all the queries the one about the "..Bush Doctrine"" was a true gem. Though I do believe it might have been a "gotcha" question since I don't recall that Bush ever had what one can call a "doctrine"--leave alone feeling comfortable with such a word."

I'd agree, for the first time he asked. But he went on to spell out the date that doctrine/policy was revealed and that it had to do with policy toward Iraq. When Palin still seemed stumped, Gibson spelled it out (... the right to pre-emptive attack ... ), but her answer sidestepped the issue and/or revealed she still didn't understand what the policy was. She spoke of taking first action in the case of solid intelligence of an IMMINENT attack by another country; Bush's doctrine is that we don't have to wait nearly that long or for anything that certain -- as was the case with Iraq.

Maybe what threw Gov. Palin off was that Charlie didn't ask the question with due "deference." (Right, Kat?)

=====

Charlie, my boy, I think you've got some great movie titles:
"The Moose that Roared" or "Lipstick on a Prig."

ROFL!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:04 AM

Genie-

I think you've got some great movie titles:
"The Moose that Roared" or "Lipstick on a Prig."

Thanks. They were cheap shots but they're what I do best!

It still strikes me that some voters would have trouble comparing the "qualifications" of Obama with that of Palin. Palin may have more "executive experience" but Obama is way ahead in terms of knowing the domestic and international issues, and planning how to deal with them. "Knowledge" rather than "zeal" should have more weight with regard to Presidential qualifications. That's the way it looks to me on this foggy morning in my little river town in Maine.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Stands Tall for Georgia
From: heric
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:44 PM

From Wikipedia:

"The Bush Doctrine is a *journalistic term* used to describe some foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, enunciated in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Scholars identify *seven different 'Bush Doctrines,'* including the notion that states that harbor terrorists should be treated no differently than terrorists themselves; the willingness to use a 'coalition of the willing' if the United Nations does not address threats; the doctrine of preemptive war; and the president's second-term 'freedom agenda' as outlined in his second Inaugural Address."

The other cheap shot he used was when he asked snottily if "we" have a "right" in "your mind" to enter Pakistan without its permission.

With a little more experience she would have been prepared to tell him he needs to ask intelligible questions, and run circles around him for asking such nonsense. And then even hint that she (if she had some hypotherical authority, e.g. as President) might be willing to work within her Constitutional authority to violate international "law" under *specific circumstances.* (Similarly to McCain saying he would "capture, or shall we say, 'bring to justice,' Osama bin Laden.")