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Subject: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 21 May 05 - 04:36 PM Just curious. How come "Mature" when applied to threads, readers, video games and movies means using obscenities, profanity and showing excessive violence? When did insensitivity to these things become "mature?" I thought that maturity had something to do with putting away childish things and becoming less self-centered and non-judgmental. If you meet someone who swears a blue streak, uses endless obscenities and gets "off" on violence would you say.. "Man, that guy is REALLY mature? Or is this meaning of "mature" strickly an American thing? Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: catspaw49 Date: 21 May 05 - 05:03 PM Fuckin' A Right Jerry, ya' sumbitch! It's an all-Amercan kind of ma-fuckin-churity and it makes us all blow the shit right out of our all-American assholes........... I actually have no idea...........uh, gawdammit.............. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 21 May 05 - 05:05 PM Does gollee-jeewhillikers make me mature, Spaw? :-) Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Don Firth Date: 21 May 05 - 05:11 PM I've wondered the same thing myself. Also "adult entertainment." I'm no prude, but what passes for "adult entertainment" strikes me as fixated at around early adolescence. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Shanghaiceltic Date: 21 May 05 - 05:14 PM I like a good mature cheese, nothing risque about that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 21 May 05 - 05:15 PM Guess you and I aren't all that mature, Don. By the most commonly accepted definition, you know who is the most mature person on Mudcat, hands down. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Amos Date: 21 May 05 - 05:17 PM This is easily explained. It is not a matter of clarity, understanding, truth or logic, but a matter of law. And the law is a ass. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 21 May 05 - 05:44 PM It's used more broadly than that, though, Amos. We have "mature" threads on Mudcat which have nothing to do with the law... Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Amos Date: 21 May 05 - 06:23 PM Well, the original use that I have seen was a brand put on movies and later books and other things indicating that the discretion required to decide whether or not to view the picture required a certain maturity of mind. The irony, of course, is that once you've acheived that maturity of mind, you aren't all that interested in simple prurience. But that's another matter. From that useage the term slip-slid its way to mean "suitable only for adults to decide about" and eventually, in the mindless way of language, came to mean "containing raunchy language or images". The really mature threads on the Mudcat are things like Rick's stuff, some of the fiction threads, "Why We Sing" and other heart-felt exchanges in friendship, and others of like quality. The raunchy stuff isn't mature in the original sense of the word, it's just occasionally funny, but more often fatuous. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 21 May 05 - 06:24 PM Well said, Amos. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: John MacKenzie Date: 22 May 05 - 04:29 AM My grandson, who is nearly 3 years old has been known to eat bits of the carpet, does this make 'mat chewer' for his age? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 22 May 05 - 05:43 AM There's just a one letter difference between mature and manure. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: John MacKenzie Date: 22 May 05 - 05:52 AM Not a lot between elegant and elephant either. G. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: SINSULL Date: 22 May 05 - 03:02 PM Modern Maturity is one of the least "adult" magazines around. A true conundrum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 22 May 05 - 03:42 PM One of my favorite quotes is "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever." Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 23 May 05 - 02:46 PM I don't understand, you think maybe mature ought to be a term of abuse in your country like liberal? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Megan L Date: 23 May 05 - 02:55 PM I dont know about innoffensive cheese frank thon gorgonzola can be a bit ripe at times :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 23 May 05 - 03:38 PM No, that's not what I think, Weelittle. I think mature should have something to do with a wisdom that comes from growing beyond being self-centered and accepting others for who they are. The term as used seems to mean: not offended by obsceneties, or bothered by graphic violence. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 23 May 05 - 06:04 PM some comments on this: I always enjoyed old movies with the actor Victor Mature I never want to act like those old people I used to think were completely out of it. Don firth is so old that virtually everything to him looks childish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Skipjack K8 Date: 24 May 05 - 03:29 AM The standard UK warning read out before programmes broadcast immediately after the 9pm watershed is stratified into three or four categories; scenes of extreme violence, scenes of sexual violence, and so on, but the one that used to wrankle the auld man was 'strong language'. His riposte was that it is weak language, used by those with a small vocabulary to make pitifully short sentences longer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 24 May 05 - 04:18 AM Victor (Hannibal - across the alps in a mini skirt) Mature - I'd keep quiet about that if I were you Martin. (Remember that scene from Airplane - hey little boy, d'you like gladiator films?) My mother in law is over 80 and finds what she calls filthy language very offensive. My wife(who loves her mother dearly) has got to the point where she finds it very stressful to sit with her mother through most modern films - as they tend to set that particular tape loop off. go careful Jerry - its a slippery slope! all the best big al whittle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 24 May 05 - 12:40 PM Weelittle drummer, I like gladiator films because of the action and the sword fighting. Language is only "strong" for those whose skin is thin and weak. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Don Firth Date: 24 May 05 - 03:27 PM "Don firth is so old that virtually everything to him looks childish." That's quite true, Marty. That's the price of Great Wisdom. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 24 May 05 - 03:33 PM Or luck. Old fools are hardly wise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 24 May 05 - 03:37 PM Never confuse obscenities with strength. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Don Firth Date: 24 May 05 - 03:40 PM "Fools -- wise." That statement is self-contradictory. And luck has nothing to do with it. Wisdom is the product of knowledge and experience, and the intelligence to make good use of those two attributes. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: John MacKenzie Date: 24 May 05 - 04:00 PM Grant me the Serenity to accept The things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And Wisdom to know the difference. For Martin in the hope that he too will come to know the difference one day G... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 24 May 05 - 04:02 PM "Old fools are hardly wise." Read what I wrote and stop over-reacting and congratulating yourself because you were lucky enough not to step out in front of a bus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Don Firth Date: 24 May 05 - 04:07 PM It's still self-contradictory, no matter how many times you repeat it. And re<>: getting hit by a bus, again, luck has nothing to do with it. Don Firth P. S. You may have all day to goof around like this, but I have a life--things to do today. So long for now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Matt_R Date: 25 May 05 - 04:17 AM Reminds me of that Calvin & Hobbes strip where Hobbes tells Calvin that movies with "adult themes" are about paying bills and responsibility and stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 25 May 05 - 11:49 AM Yeah,Don, go wash your shorts. You have a life only when you conveniently have nothing else to say or do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Amos Date: 25 May 05 - 11:56 AM MArtin, Maturity is clearly not something you want or understand. You would be improved by a diet of Don's shorts. The used ones. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Don Firth Date: 25 May 05 - 05:52 PM For someone who aspires to be an Olympic class insulter, Marty seems to be having trouble even getting picked for the team. It's his sad lack of imagination combined with his complete ignorance of what constitutes a really good zinger. Simply making up stuff about the target's personal hygiene or sex habits (which may tell you more about him than it does about the person he's trying to insult) and combining it with feminist, ageist, or other stereotypes liberally mixed with juvenile crudeness just doesn't cut it. The trick is to find out something that is actually true about the target, and then put a spin on it that's funny enough to get everybody else to laugh. A good study of the "nose" speech in the first act of Cyrano de Bergerac: ". . . these things and much more you might have said if you had any touch of letters or of wit to color your discourse, but of wit, you never had an atom, and of letters, we need but three to write you down. A-S-S!" But then, Marty is laboring under great difficulties these days. He's upset because that Chicago red-hot he prizes so much is all shrunk and wrinkled, his buns have gone soft and soggy, and he's all out of mustard. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 25 May 05 - 05:55 PM Don, I knew you would be back. You are about as predictable as taking a dump in the morning. You wouldn't know a good hot dog from that trafe stuff you eat if it crawled up your ass sideways. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Don Firth Date: 25 May 05 - 05:57 PM Still didn't make the team, Marty. Gotta do better than that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 25 May 05 - 05:58 PM Amos, your type of maturity is a complete loss of humor, youth, and fun. You are what I would never aspire to be. You are completely out of touch with any child within you and you know it. You need a good hour or two of Warner Brothers cartoons with your eyes taped open. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Don Firth Date: 25 May 05 - 06:03 PM By the way, Marty, I just checked in a few minutes ago. I notice that you've been hangin' out here since 10:30 this morning, Chicago time. Busy day in that "real life" of yours, eh? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: frogprince Date: 25 May 05 - 06:05 PM So who can't use a dose of vintage cartoons? who would have to have their eyes taped open to watch them? But what correlation is there between the humor of those old cartoons (some of it quite mature, for the benefit of adults in the audience) and M.G.'s alleged humor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 25 May 05 - 06:08 PM As busy as you are counting people's posts and checking up on them, don. That's real good entertainment for yourself I would think. That's quite extreme on yours or anyone's part. I work at a computer all day, don in a busy office. I don't sit on my old, decrepit ass at home all day counting people's posts like some old woman busy body. I post quick little blurbs, not long winded multi-paragraph diatribes like you do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 25 May 05 - 06:09 PM Maturity is being able to love---in the best sense of that good word's meanings--but not in the baser aspects of that word Art Thieme. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Don Firth Date: 25 May 05 - 06:13 PM Takes about thirty seconds to find out when someone logged in, if you know how. You apparently don't know how. Nothin' much of interest going on around here. 'Bye now. Things to do. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 25 May 05 - 07:12 PM Hey, Art: You're right... good to see you in here. Maturity also has a lot to do with giving. Makes me think of the first two lines of a song the Messengers do: "Have I given anything today? Have I helped some needy soul on my way?" Maturity is recognizing that we are all connected (whether we particularly like it or not.) I do appreciate that Martin is being quite restrained on this thread. This is prime real estate for devolving into another interchange of obscenities and cage rattling. Too many threads on here become an endless interchange of, Oh yeah! you're stupid! Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 25 May 05 - 07:23 PM being able to love unselfishly, is that your meaning Art? I think perhaps we all hope to find fulfilment in love and thus its ultimately selfish al PS You two stop squabbling and join in the discussion nicely. And I bet there are some chatrooms where admitting to watching gladiator films for the swordmanship is considered downright flirtatious! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Mr Happy Date: 25 May 05 - 07:54 PM What I don't appreciate is, frequently on British TV prior to a film or play coming on next, an announcer will give the warning 'this programme contains 'strong language'' For me, all that f-ing & blinding in lieu of appropriate dialogue & vocabulary is NOT strong language- au contraire, its VERY WEAK LANGUAGE! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: John MacKenzie Date: 26 May 05 - 03:20 AM That's not real sword play, that's choreographed waving with sound effects. If you saw the hours of rehearsal that went into a 2 minute 'fight'. G... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 26 May 05 - 03:45 AM Anybody ever catch that parody of a Steven Berkoff play in a film called The Tall Guy starring Jeff Goldblum? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Skipjack K8 Date: 26 May 05 - 08:34 AM Keep up, Happy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 26 May 05 - 08:40 AM Weelittle - I love that film!!! Worth sitting through the excrutiating Emma Thompson in orange for the line almost at the end..... about vaccuum cleaners and bottoms..... Mature? Me?? Not chuffin' likely! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 26 May 05 - 09:19 AM Hey, Liz: You've touched on another perception of the meaning of being "mature." "Mature" being staid, unimaginative, set in your ways, no longer fun-loving or spontaneous, boring.... Maturity doesn't have to be any of these things. Maturity can be a release and a freedom, just as much as it can be deadening. And then, they make those slacks with elastic waist bands for the "mature" figure... :-) Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Rapparee Date: 26 May 05 - 09:28 AM We sent out a survey -- 15,000 of 'em -- to the community last August, and one of the questions asked something like "Should the library continue to purchase adult materials on cassette tape, even though CDs...blah, blah?" At least three of the responses took us to task for having "adult materials" in the public library! Like "mature" the word "adult" has also taken on new meanings. Makes me wonder about when I was in charge of a library's Adult Services Department.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Amos Date: 26 May 05 - 10:49 AM The seamy side of Rapaire's apprenticeship has finally come to light. Now it all makes sense; he's a veteran of Adult Services. No wonder he is so mature! :D A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 26 May 05 - 11:09 AM LOL, Amos: Why can't he be immature and juvenile, like the rest of us? Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 27 May 05 - 08:27 AM So Jerry, are you saying I'm a boring, stick in the mud, unimaginative and staid matron? Or are you saying I've got an extra belly? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 27 May 05 - 08:40 AM Nah, Liz: You is da pitcher of yout... svelte, exciting, creative, vivacious, full of life! (This phrase is suitable for framing.) I was saying that some people think that "mature" means all those negative things. Martin Gibson seems to feel that way. I guess that's why he is so determinedly immature. Truth is, I've known boring, conservative, unimaginative, unadventurous people who were in their twenties. One of the most enthusiastic, inquisitive, open-minded, lively people I know is my Mom, and she'll be 98, June 5th. Maturity is a state of mind and heart, not of age or body. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 27 May 05 - 08:50 AM Well thanks Jerry... I will indeed print that out and leave it somewhere obvious for himself to see.... but you missed out incredibly beautiful, multi-talented and humble..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: GUEST Date: 27 May 05 - 08:51 AM Blah blah blah drone drone blah blah blah. How much more boring can you people get? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: GUEST Date: 27 May 05 - 12:08 PM not as boring as you mate! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: John MacKenzie Date: 27 May 05 - 12:10 PM You forgot Chocolate loving Liz!! G.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 27 May 05 - 12:14 PM It is boring, Guest. I agree. Mature people are the most set in their ways. they have lost their youth completely and are the most stubborn, non-fun loving groups I wouldn't want to hang around much with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: John MacKenzie Date: 27 May 05 - 01:00 PM There you go again Martin confusing maturity with age. Girls of 13 are more mature then boys of 13, see what I mean? G.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 27 May 05 - 02:48 PM Of course, Giok. The girls win body race at that age. after that, it doesn't matter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 27 May 05 - 02:49 PM Of course it's been rumored that Ron Davies was developing breasts at age 12. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: John MacKenzie Date: 27 May 05 - 03:10 PM Mentally and physically I mean Martin. G |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Once Famous Date: 27 May 05 - 03:38 PM Martin Short? Martin the Martian? Dean Martin? Uncle Martin? Giok, you need to be more specific and not so broad. You also need to stop looking at those naked pictures of broads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 27 May 05 - 03:43 PM And what is wrong with pictures of broads ? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: John MacKenzie Date: 27 May 05 - 03:44 PM That's Norfolk 'n good Liz. G.. ¦¬] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: robomatic Date: 27 May 05 - 05:10 PM Doesn't mature also mean 'ready to eat', as in ripe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 27 May 05 - 07:37 PM Of course, if you are determined not to be mature, you can always be juvenile... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: robomatic Date: 27 May 05 - 07:49 PM It's all a matter of taste and subjectively objective. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: DougR Date: 27 May 05 - 07:59 PM I haven't checked (not really interested enough I guess) but there probably is an acceptable definition of "Mature" in a good dictionary. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 27 May 05 - 08:15 PM Using a dictionary, Doug? That's cheating! Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: Don Firth Date: 27 May 05 - 09:38 PM So I'll cheat a bit. FYI, relevant entries in Merriam-Webster: ma•ture Pronunciation: mah-tyur, mah-toor Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Latin matures ripe; akin to Latin mane in the morning, manus good 1 : based on slow careful consideration mature judgment> 2 a (1) : having completed natural growth and development : ripe (2) : having undergone maturation b : having attained a final or desired state <mature wine> c : having achieved a low but stable growth rate 3 a : of or relating to a condition of full development b : characteristic of or suitable to a mature individual <mature outlook> middle portion of a cycle of erosion ma•ture•ly adverb Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mature? From: GUEST Date: 28 May 05 - 04:04 AM It would be nice to reach a desired state - I could settle for that. |
