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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: gaber Date: 11 Feb 03 - 04:32 PM Damn, Would you people talk about something a little more cheery? We are bombarded everyday with talk of war. Either there will or will not be a war and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it. It is the State of the world today. So here is an idea, whatever happens just deal with it. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: GUEST Date: 11 Feb 03 - 04:44 PM Geez...so many of you miss the point. Before the war for Independence in the U.S., the 'colonists' couldn't speak their minds openly and had to set up secret Committees of Correspondence to print / hand-write pamphlets etc. to spread word of what was happening in the fight against the occupying power. And that's all the modern forums are. Committees of Correspondence. A global government is pulling the strings of most of the national governments, and in the U.S. the course is leading to the destruction of the Constitution, the sacrifice of lots of draftable kids, etc. I'm only doing my bit to point this out. And I do it with gusto. My personal hate and rage comes from seeing the obvious destruction of my country by super-national corporations. And this kind of forced debate about politics is going on on ALL forums...or should be. The U.S. is about to end. Period. Unless YOU do something about it. The designers of this forum set up a 'BS' line. Why do you folks bother reading the posts on it if it upsets you so? |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Bobert Date: 11 Feb 03 - 04:54 PM Gotta agree with you GUEST. No one is holding a gun at anyone's head to step into ant one of these threads. It kind of like a person going to an adult movie theater and then complaining about dirty movies. Geeze. But I'm starting to get all those "cautions" they print in manuels for elecrical appliances. You know like, "Caution: this radio is not made for human cunsumption. Should you eat this product induce vomiting and call a physican". Awww, jus' funnin', you knotheads that can't keep from peeking thru the keyholes. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Feb 03 - 05:14 PM Guest, you should (perhaps you already have) read Aaran Gare's Postmodernism and the Environmental Crisis. Pretty scary stuff. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: GUEST Date: 11 Feb 03 - 07:29 PM Thanks, Sage. I'll look into it. I did a search to see if the book was online, complete, but it doesn't look like it is. And I hate to enrich people who are against me by buying their books. Just curious...what's it about? Surely I have a lot to learn, but why would this book be of special interest? |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 11 Feb 03 - 07:48 PM OK...I'll start using the 'From' line when posting. I was going to use a name indicating paranoia once, but I'm NOT paranoid. I embrace the fight if it comes and don't really care a lot about personal safety. Wouldn't one have to consider those things pretty seriously in order to be a full-fledged paranoid? But something I DO admit to is that I've alienated a BUNCH of you here, so henceforth I'll try to remember to post as 'The Hated Guest'. You folks DO have a point about fair warning and all that, so just skip my stuff if you don't want to read how GW's grandfather had to be stopped by Congress under THREAT OF ARREST from doing business with Hitler, and the Bushes today are in business with the bin Ladens. GW had his human shield of school kids on Sept 11, and now he's going to take care of all of you. Fine. Remind the firing squad of that. Really...this stuff is true, so I can't understand why I've engendered such hostility here, unless you folks have just too much of your lives invested in the false Chamber-of-Commerce paradigm. It was hard for me to let go of that view of America, though, so I understand. Yours sincerely, The Hated Guest |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Mr Red Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:46 PM Well one place the hate comes from can be a low self esteem. Bluff and bluster front those people. Then comes the dengration of the other person as the only way these people can make themselves feel a little better by comparison. Once you are alerted to the problem you see it fits in a percentage of the cases. And yes it is a hot topic for me right now but sadly it may never leave the "ragist" . At least it allows one a certain gravitas, which they unfortunately take as condescention and thus acknowlegement - IQ is no hinderence to their malaise. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Bobert Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:24 PM Well, danged. Stop the presses! Get Ripley on the line! The dreaded GUEST has taken up a handle. Say it ain't so.... Well, Hated Guest, welcome to the Catbox. As all new memebrs I'd like to give you the usual precautions about being up on your shots and all, but you know that allready. Well, shucks, ahhh... Mind if I just refer to you as HG, for Hated Guest? I mean, it seem purdy civilized. Click (the sound of Bobert's heels as he jumps into the air and clicks his heals in exuberance to have GUEST become, ahhhhh, half a member? No. A member with half a name? No.) Well, danged if I know. But this is progress... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:07 PM Guest, here is the blurb (the link I posted earlier seemed to have reverted back to another screen--must have been in a frame)
Different approaches to the environmental crisis are considered and contrasted to show that mainstream approaches which are based on economic theory, Marxist approaches and postmodern approaches utilizing insights from the poststructuralists are ultimately all defective. Arran argues that what is required is a new postmodern world-view, a new conception of the cosmos and a new understanding of the place of humanity within the cosmos. Postmodernism and Environmental Conflict draws on recent developments in natural philosophy, theoretical physics, biology and philosophical anthroplolgy to formulate this new world-view. This book is of value to those involved or interested in the environment or political philosophy. This book examines how what they call "the globalization of capitalism" is working in a world with super rich people and super rich corporations. Whether you buy into postmodern theory or not, this is an excellent analysis of things as they have evolved in the world marketplace today. With the super rich corporations treating everyone else like so many cockroaches. The hook is the enviromental situation, which obviously affects everybody. But it seems that some really do live for today, regardless of how the world is treated or how many people die as a result of industrial abuse and neglect. It's pretty scary stuff. Since you're not a member (yet?) you can't PM me, but I brought this book up online (it's in WebCat) at the university. It lists libraries that have it--your library can get it via Interlibrary Loan. I also found it through abebooks.com for $12 at a Montreal book store. This book won't lessen your rage about what is happening in the world today. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: GUEST Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:43 PM Yeah, Bobert...folks have the right to their forum. I think I've beaten everyone here over the head with the TRUTH enough. And the handle seems appropriate, since I seem to have picked up a slight whiff of hostility from time to time. Or was that just my imagingation? And thanks, Sage. I'll pursue that as time permits. And yeah, I wouldn't want to lessen that rage. Seriously. What makes me most angry, too, is the LACK of rage in others. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:44 PM Forgot to sign it. Old habits... Sure...use the initials, Bobert. HG |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Feb 03 - 12:54 AM Peter T hit it exactly on the head: Probably when people feel helpless, they use any outlet they can find to express themselves. This is an important historic moment, so I for one am content to see what people say. I know I've said too much this week--and owe Daylia an apology for hammering the point home. This has been a horrible week, all things considered, starting out by policing the yard for shuttle parts and then watching Bush ratchet up the rhetoric and the color code warnings. I am headed out of town for a couple of days (aren't we all glad!) and feel nothing but contempt for the situation as I find it: I'll try to park in remote parking so I don't have to clean all of the shit out of my pickup truck just to drive into the airport. They're doing visual searches of each vehicle that enters now. As it is I offloaded the boxes of recyling stuff (haven't been by the bins at school to drop it off yet) and the toner cartridge that might look suspicious (MailBoxes, Etc. sends it back to HP for free if I remember to take it in) because these bulky items could cause some concern for whoever has been hired in the lowest-paid federal positions on record to search vehicles. The man I voted for won the election with the popular vote, but isn't there taking care of things without bringing us to the brink of war. That man, by the way, is equipped to handle all of this. He served in the regular miltary, and didn't go AWOL for a long time then get off the hook because of family connections. He was smart, went to good schools, got good grades (had the excellent good sense to have Tommy Lee Jones as his roommate! but I digress). . . Time to pack up and leave this alone for a while. Good thread. Lots of rage to discharge somewhere. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Feb 03 - 12:55 AM make that horrible week and a half--I can still do math. . . |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Sorcha Date: 12 Feb 03 - 01:06 AM Hate and depression are both offspring of un released or un expresseable anger..........and I try really hard not to post to the political threads.......... |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Rustic Rebel Date: 12 Feb 03 - 01:30 AM I agree with you Jed about this place being full of rage. It was not long ago I thought the same thing and hoped to come here and see a song challange or write a poem using 100 words or just something a bit lighter then politics, fear and talk of war. I find myself staying away from most of those threads now because people seem so sure we are going to war, and I don't care to put the thought of it in my head on a continuous basis. I am a believer that thought process creates reality and I don't want war to be my reality. It does seem like it's been awhile since there was a song challange out there. When I first came here I thought, " Wow! This is one amazing, talented, and inspiring group of people!" And it still is, but just laying low for now is seems. I still love it here and all of you! Peace.Rustic |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Donuel Date: 12 Feb 03 - 09:35 AM I understand the anger: Bush is the only one with the guts to kill the Islamo fascists. Are you on the side of burkas and female mutillation or the president? The next thing you're going to tell me is that the Bin Laden video bragging about 9-11 that was found in the ashes of Afghanistan by US troops was created by the CIA. Defending Saddam is like defending Fidel, Stalin, Che Guevarra like all the pathological left wing liberals have done for generations. Attacking America for generations is a left wing mental abberation. Look people - we are being attacked. War has been declared by Ossama bin Laden. That is all the evidence you need. You are being attacked ! The suicide bombers do not make a distinction between conservatives or liberals. That means you the athiest, you the homo sexual, you the liberal, you the buddist, you the parent, you the Jew, you the communist, you the anarchist, you the street bums, you the drug addicted left. The Islamo fascists don't care who you are other than you are a supposed American and that you die. Wake up you fools. It is terrifying what is coming. The world is at war and I welcome it - Not because I like war but because George Bush is the only one with the guts to use nuclear weapons to wipe them off the face of the Earth. We are in a battle for the survival of America. You are either with us or you are with OBL. Next thing you'll say is that Iraq is not Al Quida. Look I speak for all of America and strike a chord that people know is true, but have been too afraid to admit. The radical left wing media like CNN is steering you in the direction of treason and sedition. There is an entire machinery behind the peace mongers. They take marching orders from emails and fax from the DNC and ACLU. If you believe the drug and peace addicted hollywood idiots you are both a fool and suicidal. God loves Christians and Jews more than he loves the Islamo fascists. You will either support our good Christian president or you support the mutillation of womens sex organs by mullahs with a piece of glass, you support the bombing of our churches, you support the bombing of our synagoges, you support the bombing of our schools. We are in a war within our shores between the rats and eagles. The eagles are those like Ronald Reagan. The rats are those like Sigmund Freud who said America is a mistake. I have a best selling book and will have a mass reading of it in public across this nation in March. All it takes is a few hundred thousand people to change the face of this country. Were going to stir things up. We are going to save America in spite of the sick and mentally diseased leftwing rats and the Islamo fascists. We still have a second ammendment despite the Schumers and Boxers and Feinstiens. we are having an effect. I am sick of seeing only Arabs shoot thier Kalazikovs in the air. I dream of millions of loyal NRA men and women in our streets raising thier guns, shooting and screaming "We are not afraid of you" I have a dream, I do not know whether I will see that dream but I hope it comes true. Michael Savage - today on the Clear Channel radio monololy. "Fascism should be called corporatism, the merger of corp. and state." Mussolini |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: *daylia* Date: 12 Feb 03 - 10:17 AM Rustic Some may call what you have said deluded and naive That matters not a whit if you can live what you believe May the peace that you create within your heart and soul Shine forth in beams of loving light to heal, bless and console SRS Thank you for the 'olive branch' - *sniff sniff* - here's one for you We all are only human - do the best that we can do I've learned so much on Mudcat, and often from your words And now I can enjoy them without angry hurts absurd! :-) At the risk of hijacking this important discussion re the Mudcat forum itself, I'd like to invite everyone to take a 'breather' and browse through these beautiful "Images of Sanity and Compassion in Tibetan Buddhism. I'd especially like to recommend this interactive Wheel of Life. Notice at the hub of the Wheel there are "Three Unwholesome Roots" - because from them grow all life's evils. They are also known as the "Three Poisons", because they corrupt from within. And they are ...(drum roll) ... Greed, Hatred and Ignorance. Represented by a cock, a snake and a pig, respectively. I find their placement at the very hub of the Wheel of Life most intriguing, as if the experience of life is truly dependant on these somehow. That would certainly explain why hatred and war continue to be 'center stage' throughout human history! And perhaps this shines some light on "Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?" Just some whimsical peaceful wonderings Grateful blessings to all daylia |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Sam L Date: 12 Feb 03 - 10:32 AM I left a nicer place to come here, where it's more fun. Songs come from all sorts of places, and those places are interesting too. I like a heated discussion of BS, enjoy hearing what people think. Don't hate anyone on account of it, and have to admit I find some of the trolling kind of funny, not good, or intentionally funny, but one of them made me laugh til I couldn't sit in a chair. Sorry. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Jeri Date: 12 Feb 03 - 11:03 AM Fred, some of them are funny. I've developed a detached attitude about the place. I don't share the sort of stuff I shared a couple of years ago. There are people I might have looked forward to meeting that I just don't want to know now. We used to be on our best behavior here - now we seem to be nurturing our worst sides. (See above for examples.) We used to try not to reply to trolls - remember that pledge thingie? Now, there are more posts responding to trolls than to any other threads. I wonder how much worse Mudcat will (or can) get before it gets better. I think this place may either burn itself out or people may start to feel some sense of responsibility about what topics they respond to...in a pig's eye. Cynical me... |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: TIA Date: 12 Feb 03 - 11:23 AM Bravo Donuel! That is EXACTLY where the hate and rage come from. I remember a time when it was possible for honest people of conscience to disagree on issues. That ended somewhere in the 80's with the rise of the OUTRAGE commentators that led to today's nonstop claque of hate and rage led by Limbaugh, Savage, O'Reilly, Hannity, Reagan..... Now you cannot disagree with the right wing without being branded stupid, naive, evil, treasonous, mush-headed, supporters of Saddam, Osama, Jeffrey Dahmer and all other manifestations of the devil. Reasoned consideration of issues is dead. Loyal opposition is dead. Shades of meaning, nuance, subtlety, consideration of options are all dead. Liberal is not a world view, it's a dirty word, a vile epithet. Something bad happens (like a hurricane or a murderous attack on NYC)? Of course it's the fault of the gays and the women's rights advocates (oh, wait that's feminazi's). Do you think it's silly to distribute gas masks to the Park Rangers in Yellowstone? You must be an environmentalist whacko, a self-loathing puppet of socialism intent upon destroying the American way of life. Going to a peace vigil on saturday? You are the unwitting and witless tool of Iraqui provocateurs -- or worse...you're siding with the French! Am I making any of this up? Nope, I'm not nearly that clever. Want to silence the hate and rage? This forum is the absolute last place to be concerned about. Here's (IMO) why there's been so much distress here of late... What else can we do, and where else are we going to do it? Here's a tiny little corner of the world with some politically-like-minded people, and some politically-non-like-minded people (who CAN actually discuss an issue without calling each other evil), and at the end of the discussion, we're all alike in our love of music, so no major harm done (minor occasional apologies sometimes necessary). If only the whole world had the same level of hate and rage as Mcat, it would be a darn civil place. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Bobert Date: 12 Feb 03 - 11:31 AM Excuse my cynicism this morning has anyone wondered if the upcoming demonstrations have anything to do with the "Orange" Alert. Sure seem like a coincidence. And then the duct tape and plastic scare on the alert's heels. Hmmmmmm? Well, I don't trust the Bush administration and I t5hink they are shrewd enough to manipulate events and information any way the want to to scare folks from attending the demonstrations. Proof? Ain't got any more than *they* have provided the world that Iraq is a threat to the US's national security, or anyone else for that matter. Ol' hillbilly smells something fishy here. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: *daylia* Date: 12 Feb 03 - 11:34 AM "Here's a tiny little corner of the world with some politically-like-minded people, and some politically-non-like-minded people (who CAN actually discuss an issue without calling each other evil), and at the end of the discussion, we're all alike in our love of music, so no major harm done (minor occasional apologies sometimes necessary). If only the whole world had the same level of hate and rage as Mcat, it would be a darn civil place." Hear hear, TIA! :-) And may it continue to be so here among the Cats, and all of the GUESTS too. daylia |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 12 Feb 03 - 11:48 AM Having been the recipient of some of the hate and rage lately, may I offer a suggestion? Apparently you folks had an agreement at one time to not respond to 'trolls'. Sounds like a plan. Just don't respond. I started a thread a while back called 'Northwoods Operation' or something like that, and I pretty much talked to myself on it. Updated it twice a day to make sure it stayed prioritized up high on your screens. No one's imput was needed on that but mine. But I felt it was important for you folks to know our Joint Chiefs proposed hijackings, blowing up space missions and snipers in D.C. FORTY-ONE YEARS ago...and four decades later we're seeing the Northwoods Plan activated. So was I wrong for posting that here and keeping it prioritized upwards for a few days? I did it on other forums, so why not here? Forums really are the 'Committees of Correspondence' in these modern times. You may not have liked the things I've posted, but if you followed the stuff, you probably learned some things you didn't know before...just like I've learned from you. Like the rant above marked 'Savage'. I can't listen to Clear Channel...turns my stomach. But did he really say that? Is that the kind of drum-beating going on on the govt's radio arms nowadays? Wouldn't surprise me. He was the first, from what I read, to say that anyone opposing the war with Iraq should be put in a concentration camp. There is a war going on right now to save America. And though it may not be a 'traditional' war, it is a war nonetheless. A war of words and ideas. Look at the thread 'PATRIOT Act 2' and you will know who the enemy is. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: TIA Date: 12 Feb 03 - 12:08 PM Hated Guest - What's your favorite tune? Do you play? or sing? |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Frankham Date: 12 Feb 03 - 12:18 PM You know, I'm glad that there is a public forum such as Mudcat for people to speak their mind. I agree with Spaw that you can't change anyone's mind (only they can do that). But I think that it's OK for people to vent on musical or non-musical subjects but it's better to present clearly articulated ideas in a rational manner. As for music or non-musical threads, I don't know how a person can really separate the two. You can decided to edit a lot but I think you lose a lot in the process. My musical interests are closely aligned to my values and beliefs and this is what keeps me in the game. I think this may be true for many musical folks. I like the rough and tumble Mudcat...like rolling around in it occasionally and if the thread gets too nutty, Max or someone usually has the good sense to bring it to an end...particularly if it gets repetitive and boring. Long live Mudcat and the free-for-alls! It's part of the folk process. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: DougR Date: 12 Feb 03 - 02:17 PM Donuel: Is that REALLY you? :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: InOBU Date: 12 Feb 03 - 02:40 PM here Jeb... to make this a music thread... Words Lorcan Otway Tune, for now, Mandella by Hannon? Walking with King I walked with King in Selma, so I'm getting on in years But I still recall the hopes we had in spite of all our fears I still can hear the barking dogs and often in the night I recall how we gently walked when justified to fight We walked for voting rights and so that others would be free While some were kept from basic rights, who could live peacably We faced the southern sheriffs and the banal Ku Klux Klan to carry the light of human right to each corner of the land Then the Viet Nam war began and we were walking as before While tens of thousand lives were lost we'd walk to end a war And many vets walked with us and were welcomed home again while the government who sent them off ignored their cries of pain And now the government is marching us off again to war and people they are gathering to walk just as before but Bloomberg and Judge Barbara Jones conspired in this night To stop Americans walking and destroy this sacred right General Nathan Bedford Forrest gave the world the Ku Klux Klan Sheriff Clark and Governor Maddox would keep slave chains in this land And now to this list of shame two more names must appear Mayor Bloomberg and Judge Jones who've sold their nation out to fear |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Amos Date: 12 Feb 03 - 02:40 PM HG: Ya know, when you sit down and start communicating for real instead of just throwing out alarming generalizations, you're not such a bad person after all! Maybe there's somethign to be learned by all sides from that. People need particulars to think about, not generalizations; and people communicate with an identity, so having none makes it real hard to get any commuhnication back. That's just how this machinery works! A |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Bobert Date: 12 Feb 03 - 03:10 PM I'm with you, Frank! I do like a lively discussion and if ya' had ever seen of heard me play music you'd find that my music style is similar to my dicussion style. The reason I don't spend too much time on music threads is that, other that Tweed, there aren't too many roudy scoustic blues players to keep any threads alive. I started many of them but the fizzle quickly... And Yeah, Amos, it's nice to have HG in the fold. Or half in the fold. Whatever. And I've enjoyed HG's contribution for a long time and though HG and I have had some differences, HG has brought a lot to the forum. Yo, HG. What TIA asked? If that's not asking too much here. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Ebbie Date: 12 Feb 03 - 03:12 PM HG, I agree with Amos. You do have thought-provoking things to say when you calm down and think of actual communication. Climbing the walls and throwing things doesn't do it for me. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Big Mick Date: 12 Feb 03 - 03:37 PM I'm on Frank's team on this one. Way back when the naysayers started threatening to leave if we didn't talk music exclusively, my response was, "We will miss you, ....goodbye". I haven't changed on that. Joe and I use to quibble about whether it is a music forum or not. My view is that it is not. It is a forum that is peopled by musicians mostly, where we talk about the music, the history, the issues that have and will spawn music, techniques for writing it, making it, reproducing the sound of it live and on media...............in short all of the things (including the inspirations for it) that go into "music". The BS discussions are a major part of that. Either in the main or in the abstract, the voices will spawn music and inspire performance. And the old rule still applies...................if you don't like it, don't open it. If you respond, you are part of the fray and open for all that implies. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 12 Feb 03 - 06:44 PM Ebbie...I've had a hundred death threats in the past year. Republicans are being worked into a lather by their handlers, so when I go into a forum and point out that their 'conservative' leader just Clintonized the national school system, they threaten to kill me. They don't hear the message...that GWBush has tied federal funding of public schools to national testing designed to dumb down kids...they just hear criticism of 'their guy' and threaten to kill. I encourage them to do it because it's the only way they'll shut me up, then I go back again the next day. Your statement above makes me think of school counselors who used to say 'it's not what you said but the way you said it'. We are TAUGHT to focus on HOW things are said...but then we're supposed to grow out of it. It wouldn't matter if I typed (LOUD FART) every other sentence, the impact of the message shouldn't be lessened by that. That's why America is in the state it's in...too many people listen to the WAY things are said and now WHAT'S being said. Go back and look at some of the things I've said...would they be any less 'thought-provoking' if I flattered you (LOUD FART) and told you how beautiful and brilliant and blah blah blah? No. Men with weapons are STILL coming to kill you, and the men are controlled by your so-called government. This is the end of the U.S. Constitution, and by extension, the end of all hope placed in democracies by people around the world. When the big domino falls, the others fall, too. And let's see...I play guitar...but not much nowadays. I don't have much to contribute to the musical discussion around here unless someone has comments on the 'Road to Perdition' soundtrack. I haven't seen the movie, but I've been listening to the soundtrack CD. Lots of celtic influences in the orchestral music, so maybe someone has some knowledge on that. Some beautiful music. Oh, I have contributed to some of the blues threads. Texas is crawling with good blues guitarists and I've been fortunate enough to hear a bunch of them. A good one right now in Austin is a guy named Steve James. Several CDs out, I think. Kind of rough...bottleneck. I hear a lot of Fred McDowell in him...others, too. I sometimes put on the Sex Pistols when I'm debating with the neo-conservatives, if that helps any. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 12 Feb 03 - 06:53 PM Yeah...that's the problem...I just forget to switch the music when I come over here. Those are reverberations of the Sex Pistols screaming at you. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Amos Date: 12 Feb 03 - 09:37 PM HG: That's funny!! A genuine musical joke!! :>) A |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Bobert Date: 12 Feb 03 - 09:59 PM Steve James? Hmmmm? I'll check him out, HG. I like roudy bottle neck player since that's purdy much what I am. Somethin' about just gettin' that slide rolling anf tumblin' all over the fret board. 7 to 12 then 3..., lay in a 2 to 3 and slam back to 12 and the a quiet 5... take that thumb under the fat E and pull it out like a bad tooth and turn the hand. Not exactly Fred McDowell, but not far from it. BTW, Fred McDowell is my No. 1 bluesman. Son House on his heels... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: GUEST,Hated Guest Date: 12 Feb 03 - 10:12 PM Someone mentioned Bukka White on a thread. He did a song called Aberdeen Mississippi Blues...really nice. He was a good bottleneck player. I learned guitar playing blues then drifted off into writing my own things. Now when I pick up a guitar, within ten seconds I'm playing something I've never heard before. And within 5 minutes structuring a song. Strange how many different approaches to music there are. There was a thread where we talked about Johnny Winter. You might check out his first album. He played excellent national steel guitar. Incredible electric guitar. Progressive Blues Experiment...the album. Yeah...Steve James. Amazon or one of those might have sound clips. He plays locally with a group that uses a tuba for it's bass line half the time, so no telling what he's recorded with the group. But I've heard him on local KUT solo...amazing guitar work. Hold on... KUT Live Set There's a link to KUT 'Live Set'. If you have real audio, speakers and a decent link, you can listen to these studio sets. I haven't looked at this link in a long time, but there's a performance by Steve James. Streaming Audio. Have no idea what it's like, so I hate ro recommend, but you might check it out. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: Bobert Date: 12 Feb 03 - 10:25 PM Thanks fir the link, HG, but I'm at my beat up home pudder and it's sound card--whatever that is-- is shot and it don't play right but I'll check it out tomorrow. Sounds like you might be in the Austin area. Have you heard James McMurtrey? He's a local boy. Grew up 15 miles from here. His dad, Larry, wrote "Lomesome Dove". Well, James ahs a unique sound so it ya' ver get a chance to hear him... do it. Bobert ps. Not too sure what this has to do with hate and rage but.... |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: GUEST,Claymore Date: 12 Feb 03 - 11:39 PM "Here's a tiny little corner of the world with some politically-like-minded people, and some politically-non-like-minded people (who CAN actually discuss an issue without calling each other evil), and at the end of the discussion, we're all alike in our love of music, so no major harm done (minor occasional apologies sometimes necessary). If only the whole world had the same level of hate and rage as Mcat, it would be a darn civil place." It's here, and it's called Shepherdstown, WV. Almost all of my friends are musicians or singers, and many oppose the conflict with Iraq. Yet others are or were in the military and vigorously support the oncoming action. When young Patrick Roy was killed on the Cole the whole town buried him in the last grave open on the Antietim battlefield. Yet on Mayday the exmilitary and the former hippies will play in the Morris Band as we march through town to the Maypole, with the military guys laughing at the hippies attempts to keep in step while the hippies laugh at the attempts of the military guys to put flowers in their short hair. And we'll play and sing till dawn... And when the active duty guys come back, few will ask where they've been or anything but, "Learn any new tunes?". We have a saying in town that, "Everyone knows their own to talk to". And yet I have been as vociferous as the next person. I'm an old dog who has seen a lot, been to most places in the world, have been shot at and have killed on more than a few occasions, have played a banjo since 62, had probably the only autoharp in Vietnam, have sung a finale with Tom Paxton, and as a manager at a Job Corps Center, I work with inner city youth whose dads I probably locked up in 18 years of Police work. I do not brook fools easily. And yet I recall an individual named MAV who, though conservative, was nowhere near as abusive as the so called gentler leftist individuals would style themselves. He was abused even in a birthday thread. And I said to myself, those those who speak in peace and wisdom I would grant grace to the same. To those whose style, ignorance, or bluster make me come off my porch, when I climb back up those stairs, I going to have their dick in my pocket... Please understand, I am having the time of my life right now, with good music and friends almost every night. Yet the pictures of those poor souls who had to jump from the Trade Towers, holding hands, carrying babies, and the one holding out clenched fists, must be avenged in blood. There are people who don't understand the way the real world works. For example, North Korea is a myth; no-one is doing anything in that country without the permission of Red China. A little negotiation, some money for the starving, back to status quo ante. Thats why only the ignorant are worried. And posts become pungent in their exchanges. But as for me, consider me a verbal buccaneer, willing to swing along side to board you for your treasure, and to fight the length of your decks, ... or to swill a keg till dawn. |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: TIA Date: 13 Feb 03 - 03:06 PM Sorry, I can't resist... Is that a dick in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me? |
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Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From? From: GUEST,JTT Date: 13 Feb 03 - 03:19 PM Go and see Bowling for Columbine - that's what it's about: where did all the hate and rage come from. It's a brilliant, insightful film. |
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