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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 23 Nov 05 - 09:07 PM Exact point I have been trying to make, ptr... This adnistartion talks the talk but don't walk the walk... Yeah, Junior loves to pimp out his chest and say "My job is protecting the American people." Well, he didn't. It doesn't matter a rat's ass if it were a terrorist attack or a hurricane!!! He came up short!!! Real short.... Irregardless of Michael Brown's qualifications, it wasn't Browns call to make, it was Bush's and Chertoff's... Brown called Bush on Saturday, two days before the storm hit, and told Bush that it was gonna be either a Cat 4 or a Cat 5 and that either way it was gonna be bad, real bad... What did Bush do??? Well, I guess by now we all know what Bush did... Not a danged thing!!! Hey, he was on vacation gol dang it... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,A Date: 23 Nov 05 - 09:34 PM Bobert, all I want to know right now was this P- Gator guy in NO the 3 or 5 days after Katrina. If he was, then he may have a story to tell. And my Thanksgiving will be fine although I can't understand how you came up with that idea. Where did you get the idea that the first responders were the Feds in Washington? What did Bush do? He made the mistake of honering the LA governors request to allow her 24 hours to make a decision. Her idea! You can't possibly find fault with that as you seem to hate the Feds and are a States rights sort of guy. I asked you earlier if P-Gator was in NO the 3 days after Katrina. Was he????????????????? This would make a big difference in his account of the situation with regard to first hand information. I don't want to prove anyone wrong, just looking for a few facts. I am not hpersensensitive nor do I think everything needs to be attacked. I simply want an honest answer(s) to a couple inquiries. Are you up to that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 23 Nov 05 - 10:00 PM What difference does it make, A??? You are obsessing on some pointless point... Fir what, I don't have a clue... Just tell us what point younare trying to make here, pal... You sound like some prize-fighter whio has both eyes bloodied and is just flailin' way a air... Like, do you have a real point to make here that involves this discussion or what?? No disrespect meant, it just seems that you ahve become very obsessedwith details and missing the big piccure... You can do better... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Peace Date: 23 Nov 05 - 11:27 PM May as well piss into the wind, Bobert. No point trying to teach a cat to sing. It's a waste of your time and it irritates the cat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Teribus Date: 25 Nov 05 - 01:35 PM Refresh |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 25 Nov 05 - 06:16 PM And lets do a little review here, GUEST A... Since 9/11 Bush has pumped out his chest and sid over and over and over that it is his jobn to protect the American people. Right so far??? Inspite of the calls from Michael Brown warning of the impending disaster, what did Bush actaully do??? Ahhhh, well, I'll tell ya what he did... He went on vacationing, whci, BTW, he doing again... The he went weat to do a little speech makin and chest pumpin' out... The rest is history... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 26 Nov 05 - 02:06 AM Peace: I read that weeks ago. It says nothing except the Washington Post is fucked up in their reporting. What I am asking is when did Blanko ask Bush to take over the National Guard from the state? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Peace Date: 26 Nov 05 - 02:33 AM When you find out, please post it here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Peace Date: 26 Nov 05 - 02:38 AM "As Gen. Russel Honoré, commander of the Department of Defense's (DoD) Joint Task Force Katrina, stated in a September 1 briefing, the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi had requested additional assistance from the federal government "as the hurricane was approaching," beginning with a request on August 26 that DoD command centers be set up in their states. And by August 28, Mississippi and Louisiana were collaborating with the National Guard Bureau to have additional security forces sent in." http://mediamatters.org/items/200509080001 |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 26 Nov 05 - 07:45 PM Yeah, Bruce, seems like the Bushites 'round here would rather that Katrin-Gate qwould just slip off in the night... Ya' see, if they have to give in just one time then they are afraid they will just go off into the abyiss... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 26 Nov 05 - 10:54 PM Peace: You are the expert you tell us. The state government must ask in writing for the Feds to take command of the national guard. When was it done? Does Bobert the Katrina expert know? I saw a National Geographic Channel special on Katrina. There was a meeting on the ground in New Orleans in Air Force one with Bush, Nagin and Blanko where this request was discussed. At that time Blanko still had not made the request. When did it happen? What was said? If nobody here knows, they are not knowledgeable on the matter and lack credibility. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 26 Nov 05 - 11:03 PM You, Old Guy, obviously haven'r been readin' this entire thread... Maybe you need to go back and reread it fir content... You can't just jump into the fray if youn aren't even aware of the argu7ments that have allready been made... Yer posts above shows that either yoyu haven't done that or you don't have a clue what has been written... I mean no offense here but there are some premises that I laid down that superceed yer arguments... Maybe better go back and see exactly what you are arguing against... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Peace Date: 26 Nov 05 - 11:10 PM "Peace: You are the expert you tell us." Nothing seems to satisfy you, SD in S. Hell, it's YOUR country; find out about it will ya? Ya got something to say, say it. Or, get off the pot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 27 Nov 05 - 08:37 PM Seems like the Bushites don't have much use fir this thread, Bruce... Guess that says more 'bout it than anything else... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST Date: 28 Nov 05 - 08:09 AM No Bobert, the time has arrived to ignore bias and narrowminded thinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Teribus Date: 29 Nov 05 - 06:53 PM Refresh |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 29 Nov 05 - 07:46 PM Well, well, well... Looks very much as, other than generalizations and a lotta bull from the Bush apologists none seem to be up to the task of offering anything that so much as sniffs as a rebuttal to my charges... Guess the Bush PR team is too busy fightin' on the many fronts that I predicted beforwe the '04 election that they would end up doing... And now seems that New Orleans and the south coast is slippin', slippin', slippin' into the aybiss as Americans are either concerned more about Iraq and Snitchgate or shopping that they just don't have enuff time left to worry much about New Orleans??? Wonder how they would be reactin' had New Orleans been hit by a dirty bomb??? Hmmmmmmm??? Meanwhile Bush goes about pumping out his chest saying stuff like "My job is to protect the American people'??? Go figgure??? Anyone feel all that protected by Bush??? Not me... I'd take my cousin Buddy, a few of his friends from Jersey and maybe Keeny Stoudt from high school over everything that Bush has to protect me, thank you... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Peace Date: 29 Nov 05 - 07:56 PM Why hasn't the torture thread been refeshed? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: robomatic Date: 29 Nov 05 - 08:19 PM I think the gummint should hire that new consulting firm that Michael Brown has been putting together to get some advice about what went wrong with th' FEMA at KaTREENa. Wonder if Michael is pulling down a good retirement bonus as he embarks on his big adventure with the private secta. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,petr Date: 29 Nov 05 - 08:32 PM of course he is- hes still on the payroll.. just out of interest - old guy and teribus ought to go to the frontline website (i linked to earlier) and see what browns emails were like.. almost everytime he was asked to make a decision - he answered the email and never made a decision.. -- and a few days into the disaster Admiral Thad Allen ended up doing all the work while they pushed Brown off into where he could do no harm.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 29 Nov 05 - 08:32 PM I'm standin' by my premise that Brownie, while maybe not being the most qualified person to head up FEMA, did his job and that Bush and Chentoff were itehr asleep, 'or drunk, at the wheeel... Blamin; Brown fir Bush's failures is like playin' right into the Bush PR machines scheme ot protecting him... Hey, he is the one who akes the call, sends it down to DHS and DHS orders FEMA to act... Folks around here still ain't got this chain-of-command thing in their heads... Ain't 'bout Brownie... Very much about drunk AWOL frat boy and Chentoff... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 29 Nov 05 - 11:14 PM refresh.... Like I said, anyone blamin' MIchael Brown fir Bush's yet another AWOL is like playin' right into the Bush PR machine... Yeah, real convient little sacricial lamb to protect the drunk frat boy yet again... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:36 PM Wello, well, well... Been 3 months since Katrina and looks like Bush is just gonna try to run out the clock on this one, too... Plus, given Bush's lead many insurance companies are sand=baggin' as well... Hey, had terrorist done this then this would be a real sexy rebuild but a hurricane??? Yeah, everyone just out and shop... Sad commentary on just how soft the American people have become.... Many neighbor hoods are today purdy much what they lloked likethe day after the storm but like who cares??? Right??? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: CarolC Date: 30 Nov 05 - 10:11 PM The state government must ask in writing for the Feds to take command of the national guard. When was it done? Where is it written that the state must hand over command of its own national guard before national guard units from other states can be brought in? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: CarolC Date: 30 Nov 05 - 10:12 PM Let me ammend that... Where is it written that the state must hand over command of its own national guard before national guard units from other states can be brought in for non-policing types of support? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 30 Nov 05 - 10:49 PM It's not, CarolC... The Bushites are takin' their usual path of defense in throwing up stuff that really doesn't address the big question of why the Federal Government failed and continues to fail today... Yeah, it one thing to go 'round the country pumpin; out one's chest boasting that "My job is to protect the American people" and another to actually do it... Bush is a LIAR.... He hasn't protected the American people... All he has done is give speeches to carefully screened audiances of loyalists... Heck, if there were only a couple hundred folks left that actually supported this man you'd never know it 'cuase they would all be at every televised rally... Face it, Bush dropped the ball, folks... But that was on the 27th and 28th of August.... The ball I'm more concerned with is the ballha has dropped every day in the three months since Katrina.... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Teribus Date: 01 Dec 05 - 09:38 PM Refresh |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 01 Dec 05 - 10:00 PM Havin' fun, T??? Ya' want guess why lotta folks ain't comin' 'round this thread lately??? Well, I'll be more than happy to tell ya... The Bush folks is playin' "sand-bag" on Katrina so they ain't gettin'/lettin' too many folks get a direct shot at 'um... In other words, they are doing the "Rope-a-Dope" and just hoping to ride it out without having to do much of anything... Yeah, they will continue to blame the Louisnane givernor the the mayor of New Orleans when they have to defend themselves but this is yer classic defense of "run-out-the-clock" and try to pass Katrina off to the next guy... Hmmmmm? Seems like everywhere you look at the Bush adminsiration this 'run-out-the-clock" defense is in full deployment??? Like what's that about???? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 03 Dec 05 - 10:16 PM Refresh fir Ebbie... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Teribus Date: 05 Dec 05 - 05:11 PM Refresh - to give Bobert time to find his 'homework' He did say that he had done some - maybe the dog ate it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 05 Dec 05 - 05:30 PM Homework all done, T-Dodger... I'm just waitin' fir either you or another Bush apologists to come up with anything other than the usaul, "We'll just have to agree to disagree" which has become the comapny fight song when you all are cornered... Like, here we are at 81 posta and o one has offered any rebuttal to my orinal argument... Saying that the local and state authorites weren't jup to the task is not an argument at all... Doesn't matter if they were or weren't... Has nothing to do with my argument that Bush and Chertoff were the one's who blew it... But, just as I predicted among time ago about snith-gate not going away, Katrina-gate won't either... It just hasn't heated up yet but it will and when it does you will surely hear the argument that I have made here... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Frank Date: 06 Dec 05 - 01:21 PM Bush had a reason to ignore New Orleans. It's not the favorite city of the Christian Right-Wing. It's Bush's Sodom and Gomorrah. Besides, it's a new contract for Bechtel and Halliburton. He deliberately let it go down the drain for political reasons. No one wants to talk about that. Besides, Kanye West has a point. Did black people vote for Bush? The Army Corps of Engineers has not yet done its job. Wait 'til those Ponchatrain condos get washed away a second time. FEMA is controlled by Bush ultimately. Anyone who doesn't get that really doesn't know what's going on. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 06 Dec 05 - 01:32 PM Somehow, either they don't get it, Frank, or more than likely, thry now get it... Thus the deafenin' silence from the Bush camp... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,A Date: 06 Dec 05 - 03:28 PM Some of us don't understand bullshit, Bobert. Frank, you and Mr. West make a great team. Check out his Bio. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 06 Dec 05 - 06:57 PM What part of my argument is bullsh*t, A??? That's all I've asked of you all along yet you are either unwilling or incapable ot debating this issue... Here we are pushin' 90 posts to this thread and not one offers a rebuttal of my original argument... And many of these posts were posted by you, A, which leads me to believe that, other than attacking me with juvilinistic responses, you have nothing really to say to defend Bush's actions regarding Katrina... And guess what? The more you just choose to follow with rope-a-dope tactics the more I see that you are duckin' the real debate here... Yeah, when I say things like this you may think I am attacking you personally but I'm not... All I'm doing is pointing out what must be purdy danged obvious to anyone follwing this thread... You have nothing of substance to say... Fine... Find another thread that you know something about... Yeah, yer claim that I am the bullsh*ter here is a dog that won't hunt... My argument is based on readilly attainable facts... And I provided you with my sources... When yer ready to do some homework and come back and tell me exaxctly what ity is you disagree with in my origanl argument than maybe I'll respond to you again but until then, my friend, I'm cuttin' you loose... Your posts on this thread plainly aren't worth any more of my time... Peace Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,A Date: 06 Dec 05 - 09:38 PM Bobert, you are not my friend, never have and never will be. You were kinda' fun to joust with but your attitude of rightousness makes it worthless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Buzz Date: 07 Dec 05 - 12:06 AM Bobert the Katrina expert: When did Bush ask Blanko if she wanted the Feds to take over the National Guard and her answer was "I need 24 hours to make a decision" (according to Nagin) I will give you a hint, it was aboard Airforce One. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,A Date: 07 Dec 05 - 07:30 AM Bobert is a legend in his own mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 07 Dec 05 - 08:07 AM More importantly, Buzzer, is when was Bush alerted that a Cat 4 or Cat5 was going to hit N.O. and that it would devistate the entire region? As fir the shifting command of the Nationa GHuard, that would have been one of the mnay little deatils that FEMA would have been involved with... The National Guard is a red herring and has nothing to do with the fact that Bush, upon learning of the coming disaster, didn't so much as alert his Secretary of HS, who Bush had to have know was his responsibilty in order to get FEMA involved... According to congressional testimony by Michael Brown, some of which is in the initail post of this thread, "Brownie" was on the job and had even broken the chain of command in going to the White House with his concerns as early as the Friday *before* the storm and says that he spoke with Bush on that Saturday about his concerns... Now if I'm a guy who has run all over the country saying "My job is to protect the American people" and I have a Cat 4 heading for a region of my country, I'm gonna cut my vacation a few days and get to doing what I have been boasting I am doing... Now I know that the Bushites arguments are to point their fingers at local authorities but that dog don't hunt either... The Natioanl Response Plan was all about stuff like Katrina and it assumed that the local government were in over their head, in this case, literally... But, thank you, Buzzer, fir at least gettin' in the fray here... Now maybe we can get into some of the real meat and taters of this debate... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: dianavan Date: 08 Dec 05 - 01:21 AM Seems easy to me. The U.S. govt. (F.E.M.A.) was wasting its money and resources fighting the perceived 'terrorist threat'. The Dems may have asked for FEMA in the first place but it was Bush who was responsible for the inaction (inability) of the organization as it stands. Bush couldn't protect the U.S. population from the 911 attack and Bush couldn't protect the U.S. population from Katrina. A good leader knows how to set priorities. Natural disaster was not high on GWB's list. What is disgusting to the rest of the world is how the present U.S. administration always runs, lies and hides whenever the chips are down. Bush has no integrity whatsoever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Teribus Date: 09 Dec 05 - 10:41 AM Refresh - looks like the dog didn't only eat Bobert's homework |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 09 Dec 05 - 05:18 PM Natural Disaster or Terrorist Attack the Bush administration showed it was not capable of "protecting the American people" either way, d... What was supposed to be in place wouldn't have differentialted between the two... Oh sure, one might require differnet resourches or strategies but either way the Bush administartion failed the Amercian people yet again... The Bush administartions own National Respone Plan that was release last January made mention of natural disasters yet wheh it waas time to act on their own plan, it was the usual deer-in-the-headlights response we're getting purdy used to seeing out of these incompetent fools... For the life of me I can't understand how folks can still defend these losers unless, od course, the defenders are part of the few you gain finacially from the fleecing of the working class... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Buzz Date: 09 Dec 05 - 11:27 PM Again Bobert, you cannot answer a single question because you do not know the answer or you know the answer will prove you are full of shit. You counter with a bunch "More Important" of questions. You answer first |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 14 Dec 05 - 08:16 PM Well, wel, well, Buzzer... First of all, proclamation that someone is "full of sh*t" is nuting more tha proclaimation... It and 89 cents will get you a 12 ounce cup of coffee at the local conveince store... Now Michael Powel has allready testified before congress that he told Bush on 27 that a Cat 4 or Cat 5 hurricane ***WAS*** going to hit the Gulf coast... This bit of information is a thousand times *MORE* imporatnt than when the Governor made the request.. I mean, really, tell us why you think this is such a *RIVETING* peice of inforamtion... Can you do that??? Now, TO WIT: According to today's Washington Post ("Panel May Subpoena Bush Aides on Storm") it looks as if Bush is trying to runout the clock with thenusual sandbagging tactics he has employed since 2001 when not wanting to provide inforamtion that will show just how incompetent this adminstration is... Oh yeah, Bush and his croonies will argue that they have turned over 450,000 documents but the problem is they aren't turning the ones over that will reveal when various folks told Bush about this or that or made ***requests***, Buzzman, for assistance... So for you to say I'm the one who is "Full of Sh*t" is nuthing perhaps you projecting your own weak knowledge of what's really going on... Heck, there are even Republican congressfolks who want Bush to level with them... But, hark, the Katrinq investigation is about to enter it's 90th day and will die upon that date and then it will be up to the historians to dig out the truth... One thing is for sure, Bush and his secrecy is going to keep historians in employement for decades exposing all his cover-ups... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 15 Dec 05 - 10:02 PM Refresh to give the Bushites yet another opportunity to defend their hero... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: CarolC Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:54 PM The U.S. govt. (F.E.M.A.) was wasting its money and resources fighting the perceived 'terrorist threat'. Slight correction... The U.S. govt. (F.E.M.A) was wasting the U.S. taxpayer's money and resources (etc.)... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 16 Dec 05 - 10:01 PM Refresh to give the Bushites yet another chance to defend their hero... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 17 Dec 05 - 05:42 PM Daily refresh in case any of the Bushites have discovered something about Bush's reponse they find is defendable.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Leadfingers Date: 18 Dec 05 - 03:08 PM Oh What Fun ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Leadfingers Date: 18 Dec 05 - 03:09 PM 100 !! |
