My apologies to everyone on this forum.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:51 PM

That was only a joke, I NEVER liked Backstreet Boys, N-Sync, or Brittney Spears.....NEVER !! I do like Dixie Chickens, though. And also Celtic Woman. Did I ever mention I like CW ??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 10:29 PM

Can we please stay on topic, DeamonDvdfann. Now where were we ??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Jim Lad
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 11:09 PM

I love the Dixie Chicks. Ms. Lass (she kept her maiden name) turned me on to them a long time ago. Extremely talented. Same with Alison Krauss. Probably the most talented artist in Amerikay. Sweet! Got me interested in a whole different style of music.
You may want to check Jen Syget out, also.
Yes: Stay on topic Oggy! You were apologizing, I think.
Gargoyle: Check your sugar.

The saddest day of the Christian year is almost over.
Have a glorious week-end yous all!
Cheers
Jim

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 09:42 AM

Oh yeah, thanks Jim Lad. Might be time to put this thread to rest with this final comment... Glad to be here !!!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 03:59 PM

AWG, I don't see that you did anything wrong. A lot of people over-reacted in a nonsensical way. You don't owe anyone any apology.

They should apologize to you for being so narrow-minded, "folkier than thou" and I think rude. You were expressing your enthusiasm for what I consider to be a great music group and I agree with that. I see no reason why that enthusiam should be squelched or censored.
To those who object to this, I say "get a life".

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 04:07 PM

So you wanna ap9ologize, eh? Okay...I will axcept yer flippin' apology on these 3 condishuns:

1. You send me a free 2-4 of beer. Molson's Export will do.

2. You send me a handwriten and sined apology to Shane McBride, General Delivery, Blind River, Ontario, Canada.

3. You come here in person, get down on yer flippin' knees, beg fer my forgivness, and kiss my hand.

- Shane

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 05:10 PM

Might be time to put this thread to rest with this final comment... Glad to be here !!! AWG - did you really think you'd escape that easily?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Bert
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 07:00 PM

Welcome aboard AWG.

There's a pretty good crowd here so you don't have to apologise too much, 'cos we all make mistakes too (except me of course, I'm right ALL the time).

And don't worry about Gargoyle, he's a pretty good guy too. He just pretends that he isn't.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 08:57 PM

Hey Shane, can I just bring you a sheep instead ?? Eanjay, not really LOL.   Frank, thank you for being a refreshing voice of reason (nice to meet fellow CW fan also), Bert, love the crowd, lots of emotion. P.S. I thought Gargoyle was 'the dog's bollox', ...wait, that might have been someone else LOL.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 07:58 PM

AWG, you're welcome but I must tell you that you lost me on the other thread when you went off onto your economic rant.

" There are plenty of jobs available in the USA, its just that people don't want to work for $8.00 per hour. Why not ? Its easier to sit around all day drinking beer and smoking cigarettes and collect a handout courtesy of Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer."

In the US today, $8.00 per hour is not a living wage. Drinking beer and smoking cigarettes may be the only pleasure that poor people can find in today's economy. I don't do those or like to be around it but I certainly understand why poor people need to distract themselves from the menial service jobs they are forced to take when they've lost their industrial jobs that used to pay higher when unions were strong and before the traitorous corporations went off-shore. The tremendous drain on the taxpayer has more to do with this disastrous occupation of Iraq, the corporate welfare where the rich get off scot-free without having to pay taxes, and the "handout" that you describe is the word used by corporate America gutting the Federal Government that could help the country get back on its feet by revitalizing cities like New Orleans and funding our public schools instead of trying to destroy them.


" Haven't you noticed, no matter how 'poor' some people are, they always have money for booze and smokes ??

I have noticed that much of the money that you are talking about is not available to do much else. Kids today on the streets of major cities find that they move into the drug trade because they can make a living wage that way. I have noticed that the drug trade supported by Afghan warlords and possibly the CIA has found a market in the wealthy abusers in the US.

I have noticed that the wealthy cigarette companies have lied and created the addiction that you deplore. I have noticed that the rich in the US are poor in generosity with CEO's ruining their companies by taking home disgustingly huge paychecks and robbing their employees blind. I have noticed that faith-based initiatives have done nothing to alleviate the suffering that goes on in the US poorer communities.


"The sooner people give up the bleeding-heart B.S. and stop treating poor people like invalids only capable of a handout, the sooner the USA will pull out of it's obvious downward spiral."

The sooner corporate-financed businesses start honoring the working-class unions, the sooner there is more of a level playing field for the opportunities for poor people, the sooner that the callous indifference toward the poor and the condemnation by the wealthy neo-cons and selfish Libertarians using terms like "bleeding heart BS" cease, the sooner
that those who are more fortunate realize that they stand to make their country better by serving "the least amoung us" (to quote a Christian bromide), the sooner our country can get back on its feet and will not continue the downward spiral.

AWG, I hope with your attitude that you are not the Average White Guy. If so, our country is sunk. Please don't apologize for loving the CW. But you might want to think about your propaganda about something you know nothing about, the working poor. There, an apology is in order.

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 08:10 PM

Thank you, Frank. NO ONE in the country gets more governmental handouts than do our wealthy. 'Welfare queens' with their Aid to Children money are so far down the list of what subsidies cost the American taxpayer that the two are unrecognizable as being the same critter.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 09:26 PM

And I work for $5.15/hr. Glad to have it too. The middle class and the poor don't get real tax cuts. What a joke.

Send me some of what you are smoking.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 09:29 PM

Frank, Im disappointed in how naive you seem to be. No offense, seriously, but you aren't in touch with current events. Let me quote you if I may...'The sooner corporate-financed businesses start honoring the working-class unions, the sooner there is more of a level playing field for the opportunities for poor people, .... What the heck does that mean ?? What is a
corporate-financed business ?? ..... about booze and smokes...' I don't do those or like to be around it but I certainly understand why poor people need to distract themselves from the menial service jobs they are forced to take when they've lost their industrial jobs that used to pay higher when unions were strong and before the traitorous corporations went off-shore' ..... There you go, they choose to drink and buy smokes. And that is the taxpayer's problem how??? And I will never apologize for loving Celtic Woman. Your arguements are like a piece of swiss cheese. (enough said).

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 11:08 PM

ptui

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 11:48 PM

Well said, Frank!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:57 AM

AWG - I'm sorry you're such a waste of time, too. Your sorry, I'm sorry, we're all sorry.

Go eat some worms.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 09:44 AM

To quote Dianavan....'Go eat some worms'.   How old are you ??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 09:50 AM

No smoking, no caffeine, no trans fat, no illegal plant use, no unions and NO INFLAMATORY SPEECH as proscribed by law.

Now get back in line and OBEY

or you will force us to contact Homeland Security.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:46 PM

My first reaction, reading this thread, was to be surprised by the unwelcoming tone of the post from Joe, who seems to grow more self-important by the day.

But thanks to Frank Hamilton and (in another thread) Barry Finn, I have lost sympathy for this new member.

AWG should try to get hold of last week's edition of the Economist - one of the world's best informed and most comprehensive champions of capitalism. It has a wonderful article about the dollar. Makes the point that each and every greenback is actually worthless, as there are no reserves to back it up. Instead there is a debt in excess of $800 trillion, and growing. The only reason the dollar survives as a global currency is because it is the currency of oil. Yet now even that is under threat. OK, when Saddam started trading oil in euros his country was trashed by American bombs within months. But the US has not been able to stop Russia trading oil in roubles and euros. Nor can it stop countries like Iran, Venezuela and others which are now planning to switch to the euro.

The cause of the looming crisis is the Bush admin's one-card trick of fuelling growth by pandering to the rich, regardless of spiralling debt. And that can't go on for ever, as many of the spenders are themselves now at the limit of their debt, as revealed in the recent mortgages panic. Meanwhile the gap between rich and poor grows ever wider, threatening social stability and requiring colossal prison capacity - prison walls providing the wall that is needed to protect the obscenely rich from the desperately poor.

AWG is in cloud-cuckoo land in believing that the poor can reverse all this with honest hard work. Sure a few will be lucky enough to work their way out of poverty despite the colossal disadvantages in their path. And my god, how those few examples will be trumpeted by the AWGs of this world. But there is simply no way that ALL the millions of deprived people, or even a significant proportion of them, can work their way out of poverty - there is simply not enough wealth to go round. Pretending otherwise is exactly the same con as the pyramid-selling trick. So blatant that pyramid selling is illegal in many countries.

And yes, AWG, I read threads before posting to them. Partly it's a courtesy, but mostly it's just common sense.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:21 PM

To quote Peter K,... 'But there is simply no way that ALL the millions of deprived people, or even a significant proportion of them, can work their way out of poverty - there is simply not enough wealth to go round'... and YOUR solution is .....?? Give more handouts perhaps, get that debt you worry so much about a little bigger ?? And by the way, Bush is fuelling growth with his war-machine. As soon as the war stops, fiscal problems will start to really hit home, if you will. And how, Mr. economist, does catering to the rich equate to hindering the efforts of the poor? Maybe Mr.Economist should start looking at the examples of countries like Canada , where poverty is practically nill, and our economy is the only one in the G7 sporting a fiscal surplus. How do we do it, I ask ?? Something to ponder...

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: pdq
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:36 PM

"each and every greenback is actually worthless, as there are no reserves to back it up. Instead there is a debt in excess of $800 trillion, and growing"

That is truly absurd. The entire planet Earth is not worth that amount of money.

"there is simply no way that ALL the millions of deprived people, or even a significant proportion of them, can work their way out of poverty - there is simply not enough wealth to go round"

Then why do Socialists keep telling us that we need to seize the wealth of the rich and divide it among the poor, assuming that those two groups really exist.

In the US, we have always had a vast middle class with people moving freely up to "wealthy" and down to "poor". The Old World's economic system locked people in one place, resulting in seven generations of cobblers or carpenters. Here, a carpenters son becomes a contractor and his son becomes the owner of a major company is house construction. The US cannot always be judged by eyes that have only seen the European model.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:42 PM

"How do we do it, I ask ??"

Does the phrase "universal health care" come to mind?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:45 PM

I don't think there was anything chicken about the Dixie Chicks stating they were embarassed that GWB was from their home state. I would be, too. It is bad enough that RM Nixon was from just up the coast from here. Bush is enough to embarass anyone, most of all anyone who voted for him. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "What was I thinking" in one or another form lately. But, alas, schadenfreude is no satisfaction.


A

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:08 PM

"like Canada , where poverty is practically nill"

Are you living in the Canada that's just north of the USA and south of the North Pole? I live in that one, and indeed poverty does exist here and we have a problem with it. If those idiots at the Fraser Institute are who you are listening to (they deem $15,000 yearly as sufficient income for a family of four), then maybe we don't. But Canucks themselves figure $26,000 is more realistic) then hell, there's no problem here.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:38 PM

Universal health care is paid for by the taxpayers, we are one of the highest taxed countries on earth. But heathcare doesn't put food in people's mouths, and neither does going to war with whatever country The USA deems 'the flavour of the month'. If the US government took all the money they spend 'bullying' other countries around as they see fit, and re-directed that money to feed, clothe, and shelter the poor, there wouldn't be an economically poor person in the entire US of A. Solution may be simpler than people realize, however 'unrealistic' it may be. You see, here in Canada, we don't spend all the taxpayer's money to go to war, (although Im certainly not saying that money doesnt get 'wasted' in other ways from time to time), it gets spent creating wealth and jobs for all Canadians in the form of education grants, grants for starting businesses, encouragement to get off welfare and putting less reliance on social assistance. We do have subsidized daycare, and women on mother's allowance are given opportunities to get free education, along with subsidized housing. In this country, poor people are given encouragement and opportunity for self-improvement, not simply handouts and pity.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:50 PM

Let's do the math, shall we ??


   1) Apartment...................$ 750 per month

   2) Food........ ...............$ 500 per month (2 adults, 2 children)

   3) Transportation............. $ 350 per month

   4) Expenses for 2 children.... $ 250 per month

   5) Etc........................ $ 250 per month

      
Which totals $2100 per month, or approx $525 per week, or $13 per hour.   There you go. Get a partime job in the evening if you have to.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:51 PM

"You see, here in Canada, we don't spend all the taxpayer's money to go to war,..." Foam

From an analyst on Fox News: "See, the Canadians don't believe in spending money on an army. What's the point? The Americans are going to defend the continent anyway. Let the dumb Americans pay for it."

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:58 PM

Let's not do the math, AWG. Let's consider people as people. You and I will never agree on this issue. However, I no longer wish to try finding common ground with you. I'd rather just say goodbye. I do not like your attitude to do with the poor. I find it less than compassionate. And if you have no use for people who have hit hard times for one reason or other, then frankly I have no use for anymore conversation with you. Take care.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:03 PM

As Ebbie pointed out...."From an analyst on Fox News: "See, the Canadians don't believe in spending money on an army. What's the point? The Americans are going to defend the continent anyway. Let the dumb Americans pay for it."..... Not sure if that statement is entirely true, but we don't place military spending at the top of the priority list, like the USA. Admit it or not, Canada puts great emphasis on reducing poverty, not just sweeping it under the rug. Thats one reason people flock here from all over the world.(that's another issue, perhaps a new thread is in order). Its a prosperous country, with less emphasis on 'rich vs poor', everyone is equal.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:06 PM

Ebbie: FOX NEWS?

BTW, Canada couldn't even begin to compete with the USA which spent over 50% of the whole world's budget on its military and their doings. That is, it spent more than all other countries in the world combined. Canada's approximately one billion dollar expenditure pales in comparison.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:08 PM

Take care Peace, Im sure you won't have difficulty finding others who share your vision of a 'fantasy world' where we just snap our fingers and everyone is happy and rich.   Good Luck to you. By the way, by your attitude I take it you don't work?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:12 PM

*G*, Peace. I went looking for stats on what Canada spends on its military and came across this unpleasant man - John Gibson, of Fox- who was on a rant.

Seriously, however, apparently Canada is not addressing the 'what ifs'- another (Canadian) link talked about fire fighters in Canada being the front line of defense in the country (Take a bow, Peace) but says that in the event of a disaster, whether natural, biological, or nuclear, Canada is not prepared, that it would take hours if not days for effective response.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:13 PM

AWG - can't you see how you're contradicting yourself? On the one hand, you decry any kind of government help for the poor, then in your praise of Canada, you approvingly list a series of ways that Canadian governments help the poor. You're being completing inconsistent. You're just not making sense.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:14 PM

To quote Peace...."ABTW, Canada couldn't even begin to compete with the USA which spent over 50% of the whole world's budget on its military and their doings. That is, it spent more than all other countries in the world combined. Canada's approximately one billion dollar expenditure pales in comparison"..... Who said Canada is 'competing' with the USA. Heck, nobody could compete with that budget ! Im not even sure what that point is supposed to mean. Were talking about poverty, not the war machine.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:18 PM

Sorry Guest,meself, I should have been more clear. I only oppose government subsidies when they can afford it, (clearly not the case in the USA), Canada CAN afford it, like I stated before, were the only G7 nation with a constant fiscal surplus, year after year. That's all I meant. No contradictions. I wish the USA could afford to better help the poor, but that clearly isn't the case at the moment. That is why I am suggesting the poor make more efforts to help themselves. It's only common sense.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:20 PM

I only oppose government subsidies when they can afford it,             Sorry, I meant CAN'T afford it, not can.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:22 PM

Ebbie: We have been told something similar. My first question was "Where are the Class A Hazmat suits and the Class A Biological suits?" Well, uh, well, . . .

An average small disaster takes hours to get organized--say a tornado or small flood. Make it something big--bio/chemical attack, and essential emergency services would be overwhelmed in less than 12 hours. We'll do what we can, but I expect the losses will be very high in the 'civilian' population as well as the emergency services population.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:34 PM

"By the way, by your attitude I take it you don't work? "

You can tell that by my attitude, huh? Fuckin' amazing.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:42 PM

Youre not allowed to use such language, and what do chemical spills have to do with poverty ?? P.S. Was I right ?? I was, wasn't I ??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:46 PM

I think Peace should start his own thread and call it "My apologies to everyone for using foul language, which is what I do when I don't know how to discuss something intelligently'. Now, where were we...?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:51 PM

Yes, AWG is a constant contradiction. That way AWG can argue with whatever opinion is being put forward. AWG doesn't speak for all of Canada, thats for sure.

In your AGW's little minimum wage budget you forgot a few things like medical premiums, dentist, laundry, household cleaners, furniture, small appliances, clothing and recreation. Oh, and don't forget tax. In my town, $750.00 gets you a decent studio apt. A three bedroom rents for about $1200.00, if you can find it. AGW's budget represents a child's view of life. Maybe someone would pay attention if the estimates were broken down to reflect reality.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:53 PM

"Youre not allowed to use such language, and what do chemical spills have to do with poverty ??"

If your head wasn't so far up your rear end, you'd have seen that my post mentioning spills was addressed to Ebbie. You have credibility with one person on this forum, and that's Dickey. You have none with anyone else. As to my language, I could write rings around you on a bad day. As to anything about me personally, it is none of your business. Not yesterday, today or tomorrow. Please do not address me again on this forum. I will do you the same honour.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 04:04 PM

Hey Peace, having a bad day ? Guess not, because today you wouldn't write rings around a six year old.....And to quote Dianavan.."In your AGW's little minimum wage budget you forgot a few things like medical premiums, dentist, laundry, household cleaners, furniture, small appliances, clothing and recreation. Oh, and don't forget tax. In my town, $750.00 gets you a decent studio apt. A three bedroom rents for about $1200.00, if you can find it. AGW's budget represents a child's view of life. Maybe someone would pay attention if the estimates were broken down to reflect reality. "........ Here's reality for you, medical premiums are government paid, the rest comes under etc. Household cleaners?...How much is a box of soap?? Furniture, ever heard of Buy, trade and sell?? Most apartments come with appliances. People earning that much pay very little tax, and get GST and Federal tax credits to help offset......As far as having credibility with Dickie, that's great, from what Ive read, he seems to have a grip on the issues, and speaks clearly and intelligently, without foul language and name calling. Try it sometime.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 04:06 PM

For the last time, drop dead!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 04:09 PM

BTW, the best way to handle someone like you on a forum of this nature is to completely and totally ignore you. That is something I will do from now on. I will not dignify any post you make by reading it. You will be in for some long conversations with yourself and your friend. I hope the two of you have a good time.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 04:19 PM

AWG:

No you did not guess right, and in trying to do so in such an uncharitable and condescending manner you have revealed the seamy side of your own nature. As for writing rings, I assure you you are suggesting a pissing contest which would drown you in the first round. I recommend a dose of humble pie and some salts.


A

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 04:22 PM

To quote you Peace..."Please do not address me again on this forum. I will do you the same honour". That lasted long, didn't it ? The very next post, you were addressing me again. Anyhow, its obvious you are incapable of a civil, intelligent comversation about a serious (at least 'I' think so) issue, so maybe check back when you ARE capable. Thank you.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 05:04 PM

AWG:

You are twice mistaken, do not know with whom you are dealing, and are making of yourself ye monkey. Take a deep breath and relax -- you have no need for a fire fight, and least of all with a decent, intelligent and competent being like Peace. I promise.

A

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,Thank you
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 05:12 PM

Everybody is fair game to AWG - it's a bit of sport. Thank you.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 05:15 PM

To quote Peace...."For the last time, drop dead!" These words come from a decent, intellegent, and competent being ?? Just another sign of the apocolypse. I say we put this thread to rest. Thank you.