BS: Farewell, little punkins

Subject: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 10:47 AM

My heart is heavy today. There's nothing anybody can do, but at least I can tell my mudcat buddies about it.

Yesterday the bodies of Lindsey and Sam Porter were identified. Lindsay and Sam (who were ages 8 and 7 when they disappeared) have been missing since June, 2004, and Kansas City has been looking for them. Sometimes I would have this daydream that a lost child would wander down my street and I would say, "Are you Sam? Are you Lindsay?" and the answer would be "Yes."

When I see their pictures, I feel the urge to take them in my arms and hold them safe. Impossible!

It cannot be. Lindsay and Sam were killed by their father and buried in thick woods on a river floodplain. Their father, Dan Porter, went to prison for abducting them, and he took delight in tormenting his ex-wife about his refusal say what he had done with them.

Here's what a friend of the family said about Dan Porter -

"I know he seems like a monster, but I just wish you could have seen him in action earlier in life. He was a whole other person who had a good outlook on life and a fairly good future until he got caught up in the drug thing and everything went terribly wrong from there.

It was something he seemed to be able to control until at some point he lost it, the drugs took over his mind and he simply melted down. And I'm sure the dramatic and horrific childhood he had didn't help matters at all."

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I'm going to remember all this for the next person who talks about 'recreationsl drugs' or how drug-use is a 'victimless crime.'

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:02 AM

A sad story and all too common in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: jacqui.c
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:05 AM

I'm sorry, but I hope he stays in prison for life, whatever the reason for his actions. This was a wicked, wicked thing to do and to compound it by tormenting their mother.......

At least the mother now knows what happened to her babies and will be able to bury them properly. I feel for her.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:24 AM

It's this kind of case which causes me to question my stand on capital punishment. Strange karma for all concerned and so very, very sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:38 AM

I oppose Capital Punishment on the grounds of humanity.

But in cases like this, if the case if proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, I remember that it has a very low recidivism rate...and I do not want a person like that living amongst us.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 09:07 PM

we had a similar case recently - a man "got back" at his ex-wife by driving his car into a river & leaving THEIR 3 sons to drown. He had spoken about his plan to others, so it wasn't a spur-of-the-moment event or the accident he claimed it was. I cannot understand how this man thought that killing his own sons would get back specifically at their mother, without affecting others, like his own relatives who have lost grandchildren/nephews/cousins.

I grieve with you, Leeneia

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:15 PM

Oh shit. Just one more time. Oh shit. I just wish we (who is WE?) could stop this shit. Sometimes I really do want to 'kill them all and let God sort them out'.

No, not really. IS there an answer? I'm rather afraid not.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Cluin
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 06:01 AM

Monsters are real.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: PMB
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 06:16 AM

Crapital punishment's no bloody good, once you're dead you don't feel a thing. This kill the kids out of spite happens a lot. Seal the buggers in a one- way glass capsule, naked, in public, with a big label detailing the crime. We can see in, they can't see out. Soundproofed. Keep them on whatever minimum rations will keep them alive for the full three score and ten.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 09:11 AM

A public blood eagle. Then cremate the remains and toss them in the sea. Erase everything bearing their name, from their birth record to their death cert.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 09:14 AM

One thing that would help is if certain people would stop glamourizing drugs. For example, referring to "Ecstasy" (what a weasel-word name for a brain poison) as a designer drug.   As if illegal drugs have trained inventors and quality control.

Another thing is when the media talk about a celebrity returning from drug rehab, as if the person is all better now, ready to be just as talented, rich and famous as ever. Not likely!

Another thing is when the paper says something like "the police discovered cocaine and heroine worth $500,000 on the street." The stuff isn't worth anything! It's junk.

Here is Missouri we have a lot of problems with meth and meth labs. (Meth lab! That's another one. A slummy house with a bunch of bums in it!) It was years before the media got around to mentioning the neglected children they find in meth houses, some of them with lungs burned by chemicals.

Dan Porter, the father in this case, seems to have had a terrible childhood. God knows what demons he faced, but why couldn't he turn to someone legit for help, instead of to drugs? Unfortunately, drug dealers seem to have a way of zeroing in on people like him.

The woods where he buried his kids was a place where he hunted deer. Now he's living in a cell and wants a subscription to National Geographic. He gave up his freedom for a chemical, but the people who need to be warned by his story will probably never hear it.

I couldn't sleep last night with all this running through my head. So I got up at 5 am and played my dulcimer.   My cat sat on a nearby chair, listening. Cats are too smart to do illegal drugs.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 09:18 AM

Actually, there is little we can do to such people that is as horrific as what they have done.

In truth, the best I can think of is to lock them away in a small solitary cell of seamless stainless steel, no contact except for food slid through a slot, for the rest of their life. And when they are asleep, the sounds of children, preferably those they killed, will be played.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 11:33 AM

"One thing that would help is if certain people would stop glamourizing drugs."

I'm with you 100% in regards to that statement leenia ... far too many lifes have been ruined. It is a severe problem in this day and age that has to come to light. The biggest problem is that the marketing of drugs is big $$profits$$. It's society that pays, it's the lives of the innocent that pay.

bill

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 11:39 AM

I agree, bill. I'm glad you understand.

Sandra in Sydney, I'm so sorry to hear about the 3 little boys. I'm sure that preys on your mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 11:55 AM

In the state Montana, drug use is a direct factor in 65 percent of all foster care placements. I have also heard this percentage factor is about the same for the state of Oregon.

The children certainly do pay the price.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 01:46 PM

I believe that figure is also about accurate for Idaho.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Peace
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 01:55 PM

Makes one wonder why alcohol isn't on that list.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 02:02 PM

Alcohol probably accounts for the other side of the percentage.

Point being alcohol has always been a problem ... but now drugs is escalating to a proportion where it now exceeds the problems of alcohol. Our children are now victims of the compound demons of both.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 02:11 PM

A friend of my wife works for a local funeral home ... though she didn't state any exact figures, she did state that the people of Saint John N.B. would be amazed to know that the majority of infantile deaths in our city are a direct result of drug use ... many of the mother's themselves are just teens.

The children pay the price.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 02:18 PM

Children ALWAYS pay the price.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 02:27 PM

They certainly do.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: gnu
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 02:34 PM

The "war on drugs" is a war on education. If the money was spent on education and rehab...... yeah, I know, it's been said a thousand times and the drug lords still win the war.

I recall reading many years (25?) ago that the third most profitable family business in the world was Seagrams, at over a half billion dollars per year.... LORD that's a lot of legal drugs!

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 02:40 PM

We could also give people hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Mickey191
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 03:01 PM

NYState-About 6 months ago. A house burned down & 3 children & Mother & Father dead. After investigating the police found that all had been murdered.

Turns out the Father & his _best_ friend were "Recreational" druggies. A drug dispute lead to the confrontation which resulted in the Mother having to watch her 3 kids, under age 10, be murdered - throats slit. Then she was killed and lastly, the father. This bastard caused all this cause he liked to get high once in a while!!   His pal and another are awaiting trial. Kill the bastards!

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 03:17 PM

A recreational user in my home town back in Illinois had a dispute with a some-time girl friend. He went to her home and set fire to it in such a way that the three children inside could not escape, and neither could the mother (not the same as the girlfriend).

His plea, I understand, is that he was high at the time and therefore not responsible for his actions.

When the neighbors caught him (he was standing around watching the fire, telling everyone that he'd done it to "teach that bitch") it was all the police could do to prevent a lynching. He is African-American, as are the neighbors.

I know the neighborhood. They're great people and not easily aroused, but the burning alive of four innocent people was more than they could stomach.

I suspect there will be a change of venue, as I doubt that he can get a "fair trial" in town.

Subject: RE: BS: Farewell, little punkins
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 03:24 PM

As I said earlier, I'm against the death penalty.

But I see no reason why such people should continue to live, either.

It's not for vengance, either. Nor is it "an eye for an eye." I simply see no reason not to use the ultimate "casting out" by a civilization they have, by their own actions, disassociated themselves from.

Sadly, shamefully...for it is a failure on both parts.