Memorial Day

Subject: Lyr Add: THE WALL (Joel Mabus)
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 29 May 99 - 06:14 AM

The Wall
by Joel Mabus

I guess you could call it our summer of freedom,
The year that we both turned eighteen.
We hitchhiked to Denver fresh out of high school.
Man, we were sights to be seen.
That was the year that you dated my cousin,
'Til they took us away in the fall.
And, Lord, how I wish you were standing beside me,
As I touch your name on the wall.

Touch a name on the wall.
Touch a name on the wall.
God help us all.
Touch a name on the wall.

Each time I come here, I wear my fatigues,
To honor the men that I knew.
And I touch every name that came from my outfit,
And read 'em out loud when I do.
Some folks say, they all died for nothin',
But I can't completely agree.
'Cause this brother here, he didn't die for no country,
He died for me.

Touch a name on the wall.
Touch a name on the wall.
God help us all.
Touch a name on the wall.

Usually walls are just made for division,
They separate me from you.
God bless the wall that brings us together,
And reminds us of what we've been through.
And God damn the liars and the tin-plated heroes,
That trade on the blood of these men.
God give us the strength to stand up and tell 'em,
Never again.

Touch a name on the wall.
Touch a name on the wall.
God help us all.
Touch a name on the wall.

Just a musical message to help us all remember this Memorial Day Holiday (USA) is more than a time for cookouts and family get togethers.

As a Vietnam Veteran and as the son of a WWII Veteran, my hat is off this weekend to those who served their country and gave the last full measure of devotion.

Roger in Baltimore

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: bbc
Date: 29 May 99 - 07:09 AM

Thanks, Roger. For so many, it is just another 3-day weekend. My dad served in WWII & was part of the D-Day invasion. Many of the "war" efforts since then have left us w/ mixed feelings, but I still respect those who serve their countries in our armed services.

my respects to them & to you, Roger,

bbc

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Banjer
Date: 29 May 99 - 09:04 AM

Yes, Roger, very nicely done! Although I never went to the Nam, I was stationed in Seoul, ROK 69 to 70. I saw many of my friends go to Viet Nam and many did not return. Three of them childhood buddies from right here at home. That is why I too feel that Memorial Day is a special day for all of us.

My Civil War Artillery unit will be taking part in two ceremonies this weekend, on Sunday, a modern day rededication of the Veterans section of a local cemetery and on Monday we will be doing our annual Memorial Day ceremony at the graveside of Captain John Chase of the 5th Maine Battery. Captain Chase is a Civil War Medal of Honor winner. This ceremony is done in accordance with protocol of the period, and finishes up with a listing of all the veterans buried in that cemetery, as well as the living veterans taking part in the service. The second ceremony is my favorite. Since our unit portrays an artillery unit we feel that firing the final salute (cannon) is very appropriate and quite an honor as well. The Sunday ceremony we will be doing as the Rockbridge Artillery, D Battery, Rockbridge County, Viriginia, CSA and Monday's we will see duty as the 1st Pennsylvania Light Artillery, D Battery, USA.

I also invite the local JROTC group that I work with to attend. It gives them a feel for the importance of Memorial Day and the importance of carrying on the military traditions. It is also encouraging to some of the older Veterans to see the yougsters learning to "carry on".

Thanks Roger, for reminding us all that this holiday is more than just another reason to go to the beach!

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: lloyd61
Date: 29 May 99 - 10:27 AM

Two Names on "The Wall", Bill Johnson Jr, and Tim Meads.

I miss you guys.

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Banjer
Date: 29 May 99 - 02:59 PM

refresh - let's keep this one going at least until Memorial Day - What does Memorial Day mean to YOU???

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 May 99 - 05:10 PM

Here's to a time of perpetual peace---when no one remembers what Memorial Day means because for centuries peace simply has been(I) and IS the total norm!

Art

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 29 May 99 - 06:03 PM

Amen, Art. And may that time begin today. --seed

Subject: Lyr Add: THE VETERAN^^
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 29 May 99 - 06:16 PM

I think I've posted these Allan Taylor lyrics before but I think they just fit here:

Chorus:
When you sing do you sing for the man who's broken
Do you sing for the man who stands alone
Do you sing for the endless list of names
Etched in marble stone

I saw the echo of a thousand wars in the face of the man
As he looked out over the watching crowd searching for a friend
Sometimes he would see a face but then each face looks the same
Like looking into a mirror and reading a different name

He learnt his lesson early, a confirmation under fire
Now his eyes stare into the distance like a prisoner behind the wire
We are lucky in our fortune, we can turn the other way
But the veteran fights again at night and struggles through the day

He came back an addict, he came back a drunk
He came back a cripple, or pieces in a trunk
He came back a hero to a waving flag parade
And he was left with nothing when the glory began to fade

So what do you say to the veteran who can't take it any more
You guard your words and hold it back and talk of anything but the war
Just reach out over the distance and let him know you're there
And hope he hasn't gone too far, or forgotten how to care

I sincerely hope Kosovo doesn't develop into a new Vietnam! - Susanne

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 May 99 - 06:28 PM

It means to me, my Grandma Youmans taking me down to the local newspaper office, when I was about 9 years old, and buying me an American flag all of my own. They had them on sale especially for Memorial Day.

From my earliest memories, it meant a trip, by car, up to the old cemetary in New Castle, CO, way up in the hills, above many ranches, on a dirt road woith square corners around each field of grazing cattle.

Going to the Hudson gravesite, with my grandparents and Crawford greatgrandparents, as well as others buried there. It has a huge solid granite headstone, which back then seemed of awesome proportions. The area, which is really the foothills of the Rockies, is usually dusty and somewhat hot, with high altitude sun and no reaily available water. We would clean up the site and my particular choice of jobs, was to outline the edges with little pebbles, each year.

Across the way, we would go to my Mom's parents, my Youmans grandparents and her brother, Ralph, who died his sr. yr in high school from a bicycle accident. This one was a little bit fancier, with a concrete edging around it. If I remember right, it also had a few shrubs or flowers, hardy, native plants which could survive without any "perpetual" care. We placed Mom's ashes near there, this January, beside her other brother, Howard, a perpetually walking wounded of WWII, who finally couldn't take it anymore and fatally shot himself a few years ago. He had shrapnel near his heart, which they told him could kill him anytime, from the end of the war on. He also had a lot of what we now recognise as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, which he kept under tight control with drinking. He was an incredibly brilliant jazz clarinetist and when he retired had a busines making exquisitely designed, inlaid wood products which were sold in Aspen to high mucky-mucks from all over the world.

I am sure we must've went to a parade or two over the years. We would usually finish up the cemetary visit with a picnic and a ride around the area where mom and dad grew up and/or go for a swim in the hot springs at Glenwood Springs, juts up the road.

My sister, bet, will be going up there tomorrow to add flowers and clean up, esp. where we put mom's ashes.

I do often think of my uncles who were WWII veterans and my Roger who was in the Philipines during Vietnam. He ahd high security clearance and often helped to unload body bags in the dark of the night. They were sworn to secrecy as to quantity; the government didn't want the numbers to get out the press and hence the public.

My greatgrandad was a veteran of Bloody Kansas on the Union side; and the other was a recalcitrant rebel of the South.

I am grateful to all for working for justice. I am even more grateful that my son has not been put in that position. And, I second Art's desire. Gawd forgive this world if my grandsons ever have to go to battle, for I am not sure what I would do.

Thank you for starting this thread.

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Llanfair
Date: 29 May 99 - 06:35 PM

Amen,Suzanne, to that. Our Memorial day is November 11th. This is the Whitsun holiday, when, in Lancashire, and points north, everyone, children especially, take part in the Whit Walks, a parade through the town with bands playing and children dressed in white. Bit of a contrast, don't you think? Hwyl, Bron.

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Penny S.
Date: 29 May 99 - 06:42 PM

That was last week - remember how the government shifted the secular holiday from the church one? So it wasn't too close to May Day? And nobody's got it straight since?

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Jeri
Date: 29 May 99 - 08:25 PM

Dick Gaughan's "Childhood's End" at
http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/songs/texts/childhod.htm
pretty much put what Art said to music.

The refrain, for people who don't want to click:

Childhood's end was long in coming
But come it must for all our fear
For all our vanity, for all our stumbling
Childhood's end is drawing near

I remember sometime back around 1977 sitting with my mother in our next door neighbor's living room. Our neighbor had hung on to a cassette tape for 5 years without playing it. She said it was because she didn't have a tape player. My mom bought one and took it over. We all listened to that tape at our neighbor's request. It was her son's last "letter" home, recorded the night before he was killed in battle.

Everyone who's been under fire sacrifices something, even if it's not their life. This Memorial Day, I will be thinking of them all.

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: SingsIrish Songs
Date: 29 May 99 - 10:21 PM

The first time (and only time so far)I went to Washington, DC and saw the memorial Wall, I got chills and goosebumps...the emotions were up--it is so hard to describe. And my family and close friends were not directly affected with Nam...then to turn around and notice the "statue" of the soldiers...I was in tears...

It is so easy for us who are not directly affected with these incidents to forget...

I was amazed to learn that one of my parent's neighbors is the nephew (if I remember correctly) anyhow, related to one of the families that the movie Saving Private Ryan was based on...now holidays like Memorial Day and Veterans' Day mean a little more...

Thanks for posting those lyrics!

Mary

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 May 99 - 10:42 PM

Thanks for doing this one, Roger. I always see faces on Memorial Day. Sometimes they are the faces of fella's going on patrol never to return, sometimes they are the faces of friends going off to service never to return; sometimes it is the tortured and hurt look in an old man-warrior's eyes as he and I realize that it was a different place and buddy but the same experience; it is the face of a woman named Nora who was a nurse and who tended a buddy of mine who was dying and in his dying he thought that she was his girl, and so she was, and held him while he died. She cried as if she had lost her own lover and bears the scars in her mind to this very day. I see many faces and hear many sounds on this day. I will take my 7 year old daughter to the local memorial and explain it to her. At around 10:00 p.m. (Eastern US) on Monday evening I will be sitting on a hill in the middle of Yankee Springs State Game Area with a Low D Whistle. After all the flatlanders have gone home without ever having given a thought as to why they had the extra day off, I will begin playing my whistle to those friends, and those faces, and those voices. I will play to my friends the stars, and to Orion the Hunter. And I will remember.....and I will memorialize.......and I will cry. Will you all do the old Mick a favor, please? Will you sing a song of remembrance then, or a tune, or just let the notes flow for my friends, and your friends, and kin? Will you sing for Nora and all her sisters who meant so much to us? Will you remember that the warriors didn't set the policy? Will you remember that Vietnam was not just an exercise in civil disobedience? I would really appreciate it, my very dear friends. It is one of the reasons why I sing.

Thanks and I will be listening for you.

All the best,

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 29 May 99 - 10:50 PM

Mick, I'll sing Joel Mabus's song that night. You know I am with you in spirit!

Big RiB

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 May 99 - 12:33 AM

Mick, it'll be right after Rick's show for me, so I will already be singng along. I shall sing a lullaby of tenderness for you and them.

kat

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: alison
Date: 30 May 99 - 02:14 AM

Listen hard Mick, I may be a long way away physically.... but I'll be playing and singing for you and your friends.

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Penny S.
Date: 30 May 99 - 03:44 AM

When I grew up in Folkestone, my grandfather took me to the top of a road leading down to the sea. It is now called the Road of Remembrance, but was constructed to lead down to a new built pier, for the young men to march down to the ships that would take them to Flanders during WW1. He taught me to see them all, marching down there, the last time they were on British soil. The road was planted with great clumps of rosemary for remembrance, though now only traces of that hedge remain. Every year in November, when we have our equivalent of Memorial Day, I see them again. You have brought them back to mind now.

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 30 May 99 - 11:47 PM

Refresh.

Big RiB

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: rich r
Date: 31 May 99 - 12:47 AM

Memorial Day in the USA was started as a day to remember Union soldiers from the Civil War. The south had their own Confederate equivalent which was earlier in the calendar year. When I lived in the south in the 70's Memorial Day was observed mostly by banks and branches of the Federal government. It was not an official state holiday so schools and factories etc. went about their business. Does anyone out there know if that has changed in the past 20 years?

rich r

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: lloyd61
Date: 31 May 99 - 04:38 AM

In North Carolina, many of us spend the day thanking our loved ones how gave there all. Schools are closed, but most spend the day at Wal*Mart.

A few thoughts from WWII....The troupe train came past our home, men dressed in brown handed out candy to use kinds. Why my Dad cried at such a happy time I could not understand.

We gathered old iron and piled it at the corner of the street every week. In the morning it was gone.

The street dance, and free Ice Cream, when they said "the war was over". Again my dad cried at such a happy time, but this time I understood.

Now it is my time to cry when I watch MSNBC. In the morning I will cry again. God help us!

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Banjer
Date: 31 May 99 - 06:17 AM

Rich R, yes, Memeorial Day is observed in the South, at least here in Florida. Confederate Memorial Day, April 26th, is also observed by many folks, although no official recognition is made. (That would be VERY un-PC, doncha know) It sometimes puzzles me as to why that is, were the "Soldiers of the Cause" not also Americans, just with different ideas? They still gave their lives for something they believed in! (Let's not get into all the possible discussions as to the causes and ramifications here on this thread, please, let's keep this one in the spirit of remembrance of ALL our fallen heroes, THANK YOU!) As mentioned earlier in this thread our reenactment unit takes part in several ceremonies. Yesterday's was at a local cemetery rededicating the Veteran's section and installation of a new plaque. All our historical eras were represented there, from the Revolutionary soldiers right up to modern day military uniforms. Our artillery unit was present as our Confederate image, and another was present as the union. The whole ceremony was well received by all and there are plans afoot already for an even bigger one next year.

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Big Mick
Date: 31 May 99 - 02:39 PM

Rick, Katlaughing, and Fair Alison,

Thanks very much for sensing how much this means to me. I will be listening for you.

Mick

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 31 May 99 - 05:20 PM

Mick, I hope it doesn't trouble you if I sing in memory of all those who died in that misbegotten war, the Americans who believed they were fighting for freedom, the South Vietnamese who believed they were fighting for their country, the Vietcong who believed THEY were fighting for their country, the North Vietnamese who believed they were fighting for their arbitrarily divided country against colonialist oppressors, and the hundreds of thousands of the innocent who died, the "collateral damage" of the time. And for those dead and yet to die in our present misbegotten war. --seed

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: bet
Date: 31 May 99 - 09:22 PM

Big Mick, Thank goodness I talked to kat before you went up on the hill. She told me to check this thread. I too will be singing with you. I'll start with Where Have All the Flowers Gone and go to Prairie Lullaby. Like Kat said, I did make the family trip to the New Castle cemetary. The VFW had been there earlier and placed their flags. It would be wonderful if the flags could be there always. We owe so much to the men and women who served or are serving our country. As started in an earlier message I hope Kosovo doesn't turn into another mess like you had to go through. My son-in-law is stationed at Avaion AFB in Itlay. I fear for my daughter, grandson and Rob a lot. I cannot imagine what you must feel. Just know that I will be listening for you tonight and will add my own songs. Thank you for the invite. Peace. bet

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 31 May 99 - 10:10 PM

"I can't help but wonder William McBride, did all those who died here know why they died, did they really believe when they answered the call, did they really believe that this war would end wars"

"And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda, and the old men respond to the call, but as year follows year more old men disappear, soon there will be no one to march there at all."

It sure was a sad one ~~ nice to play along with all you fine folks.

Cap't Bob

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Big Mick
Date: 31 May 99 - 10:23 PM

Seed,

To find out how I feel about you singing for the lost of both sides READ THIS.

And to the rest of you who honored the "great fallen" at my request, thank you from the bottom of my heart. It is a drizzly and cloudy night here in Michigan and it somehow felt just right. I gave the Low D her head and she performed wonderfully. As I sat and stared into the heavens, playing and seeing the faces, I thought of you and was grateful. As I walked back down the path to the house, I became aware once more of how my life has been enriched by the Mudcat.

Now back to the music.

Big Mick

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 May 99 - 10:31 PM

I thought of you as I put my flag up, old Mick. I guess I'm one who's often forgotten the original meaning of Memorial Day. For me, it's more likely to bring back happy memories of listening to the Indianapolis 500 while taking down the storm windows with my dad, preparing for the short but wonderful summers we had in Wisconsin. Thanks for reminding us of the other things and people we should remember on Memorial May.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Bulldog
Date: 31 May 99 - 10:38 PM

Special mention to the Merchant Navy Vets. They served too! Nice thread. Hope all veterans see some of these comments, especially Vietnam vets. "Those who forget their history will be forced to relive it" Pray God we don't forget.. regards: Dave

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 31 May 99 - 10:39 PM

Amen, brothers and sisters.

Big RiB

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Jeri
Date: 31 May 99 - 11:36 PM

Mick, I sang Long Long Trail. I remembered those I've known and the things they told me. I remembered those I never knew.

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 01 Jun 99 - 01:06 AM

On our recent visit to Washington I visited the Memorial wall. Though I did not have friends that died or were seriously injured, I knew some who fought in Vietnam. The emotions I felt were overwhelming. All the slogans and objective opinions seemed totally superficial for me at that moment. I almost wish I had never seen it. Certainly I still loathe politicians. And especially the ones in positions of real power, who's motives I have never - and will never trust - but, all I could think about was all those poor young people. Such waste. I couldn't do more than silently say "I'm sorry".

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 01 Jun 99 - 01:29 AM

Mick, I read that incredibly moving message when you first posted it--I addressed the message to you not because I thought you would be offended--far from it: I think I was inspired to write it partly by my memory of what you had written in the Vietnam Songs thread. Addressing it to you was really a rhetorical device (I hope you aren't bothered by being used as a rhetorical device)--I thought by so addressing it, I would link what I wanted to say to what you had said, again so passionately and eloquently, to emphasize that people on both sides of a war have friends die in their arms, or lose sons, husbands, sisters and brothers, lovers, parents, awake screaming in the night for years after... --seed

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Jun 99 - 08:53 AM

I suspected that was the case Seed, and I am not offended by being used in that way, in fact I am flattered. Thanks.

Mick

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: BSeed(CharlesKratz)
Date: 01 Jun 99 - 03:00 PM

Thanks for your reassurance, Mick. I was a bit worried that you might think it presumptuous. --seed

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Fadac
Date: 01 Jun 99 - 04:11 PM

Ah Memorial Day. I am a veteran of two tours in Viet Nam. (1969-70 (1st log Cmd.) & 70-71 (101st Airbone)) There for 12 of the fifteen Army campains. At least that is what my DD214 says.

I was one of the unfortunite ones that got spat on, things thown at, and called "Baby Killer" by the young collage students of the day. (Guess that's why I don't really trust collage people today. ) Anyway, they were being somewhat honist. I alwise felt that my time in the service was to make sure that people could disagree if they really felt that way about something.

I think I perfer honist hate, over phony "you did a good job" crap that is P.C. right now. At least when someone is screaming in your face, you know where you stand. Now I feel that most of the "Hurray! for VN Vets" Is just so much BS.

As a Vet, I don't like the "Wall" I see it as a great open sore, that just won't go away...or heal.

I think spending Memorial Day at Wall- Mart is one heck of a good idea. At least people there are honist and just want your money. Better go on a cook out with your family. Think of your ancesters, buy you should think of your family and ancesters more than once a year.

The one to feel sorry for the the Sgt. that "helped" clinton place the wreith. In case you missed it, Clinton had to make several stabs with the flowers to get them in the stand. The Sgt. had to make him look good as he was screwing up. I wonder if clinton was drunk?

Well, that's my opinion of the holliday, personaly I prefer Thanksgiving.

Fadac.

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Terry
Date: 01 Jun 99 - 08:09 PM

War took a man from every generation of my family in this century. My father's uncle was killed in WWI. My mother's brother was killed in WWII. My brother went underground during Viet Nam. This Memorial Day I gave thanks that my son, having served four years as an infantryman in the US Marine Corps, is alive and has decided not to re-enlist. With deepest gratitude for my freedom, I hold in the light all who served, sacrificed and sorrow. I also hold my three grandsons to my heart and fervently pray for peace.

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Gracie
Date: 05 Jun 99 - 12:44 AM

Wow. I thank all of you for your honest insights into the meaning of Memorial Day. As a child, I dreaded the weekend, as it meant spending my birthday(May 29) packing and unpacking for our annual big camping trip, fetching this and that for whomever, when all I wanted to do was stay home and read instead of going camping to read between calls. Of course, I have grown up a bit since then, and have become more aware of the meaning of Memorial Day, but the sincerity of your conversation has really touched my heart. As for singing, I only do so in church, but this weekend I shall be singing "For Future Generations", with respect to graduates; to those who have taught us the important things in life and have gone on ahead, to leave us with their legacy and memories; and those who were killed at the high schools, most especially the young lady who died for her belief in God and her right to express that belief, which so many men (and women) have suffered and died fighting for. Christian singer Ray Boltz recently wrote 2 new songs honoring those who fight for and stand guard for freedom; he gained a new respect for all they sacrifice during his trips to undeveloped countries. Thank you all for adding to my eye-opening experiences. I feel there is such wisdom here at this site.

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: bbc
Date: 05 Jun 99 - 09:12 AM

I'm glad this thread has gone past Memorial Day. We need to remember for more than one day a year. I found a way to honor both our recent veterans & those of past wars. I printed out the thread & am mailing it to my dad (a WWII vet), to share our thoughts w/ him. I sent personal notes to a couple of our Vietnam vets, to express my feelings of appreciation & respect. People have a need to know that they matter. Can you send a note or make a call today?

my love to you all,

bbc (Barbara in NY)

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Bulldog
Date: 06 Jun 99 - 09:02 AM

June 6th is "D-Day" The liberation of Europe and the whole world. Special thoughts to those who survived WW2 on this day. A simple THANK YOU from me and mine. We shall remember them.............. Simply, Dave

Subject: Lyr Add: THE SEEDS OF MORE
From: The Shambles
Date: 06 Jun 99 - 09:16 AM

Amen to that Dave.

I like to think that when we remember on these days, that we remember them for the right reasons and do not allow our leaders to exploit them.

My apologies to those that have seen this before:

The Seeds Of More

All around the tears were falling
As they waved young men goodbye
For brave, they hear their country calling
For the cause prepared to die

Soon, they'll return home to 'Blighty'
For they're sure to turn the tide
With the help of God almighty
Who they're told is on their side

No place for the faint hearted
Off to the war to end all wars
But nothing's solved, when wars are started
They only sow the seeds of more

Back to a home that's fit for heroes
Never to go to war again
But for the ruling families, in their death throes
The world will never be the same

For the Empire and it's dominions
For it's the whole world they're to save
But was it worth the lives of millions
To ensure Britannia, rules the waves?

No place for the faint hearted
Off to the war to end all wars
But nothing's solved, when wars are started
They only sow the seeds of more

Those that kept the home fires burning
Watch as dreams all fall to dust
But the lesson's there for learning
Take care where, you place your trust

A trigger pulled in Sarajevo
Loaded at the treaty of Versailles
Now fires another salvo
Do another fifty million die?

No place for the faint hearted
Off to the war to end all wars
But nothing's solved, when wars are started
They only sow the seeds of more

Roger Gall 1994

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jun 99 - 11:06 AM

Thanks, Shambs for posting it, again. It bears repeating and is a very, very fine song/poem.

kat

Subject: For Memorial Day...
From: Amergin
Date: 07 May 01 - 12:55 AM

yeah i know it is a few weeks off....but click here to get to a site a friend of mine works on in her spare time....though with working a full time job and taking care of her boyfriend's brother who has ms...i am quite amazed that she finds any time at all....

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: Banjer
Date: 26 May 03 - 06:29 AM

At Joe Offers suggestion, rather than start another thread on the subject, I just rejuvinated this one.

Let us all, on this day set aside our politics and remember to honor those who gave the last full measure, so that we could have the freedom to voice our thoughts and express ourselves on any thing we choose without fear of retribution.

This thread was started in 1999 and now, five years later with yet another military action in our history, it is interesting to note the thoughts of those that posted back then and wonder how they feel about things today.

Since that thread was started I learned about the fate of my father, who was laid to rest in 1993 in Dayton, Ohio at the National Cemetery. Even though I never had the privilige to know him, I will honor his memory and all the countless others who served.

Whatever your feelings, pro or con, take a moment to remember all those who served and give thanks for their sacrifice.

Thanks!

Banjer

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: GUEST
Date: 28 May 07 - 12:08 PM

does anyone know the lyrics to the song "Fallen, but not forgotten" by ray boltz?

Subject: RE: Memorial Day
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 May 07 - 01:03 PM

Fallen Not Forgotten

Words by Ray Boltz, Music by Ray Boltz and Steve Millikan

He stood beside his daddy
And watched the solders marching by
It was Veteran's Day and he wondered
Why there were tears in daddy's eyes
Later they laid flowers
Beside a monument of stone
He said, My daddy went to fight
And didn't make it home

CHORUS:
Fallen, not forgotten
He was a hero
He stood so tall
And forever, we will remember
With honor and glory,
He gave his all

They left behind their families
And the towns where they were born
For the rice paddies of Vietnam
And the sands of Desert Storm
They were soldiers in Korea
And World War One
And World War Two
They paid the price
Some gave their lives
And they fought for me and you

Fallen, not forgotten
They were the heroes
Who stood so tall
And forever, we will remember
With honor and glory,
They gave their all

Now freedom is a blessing
But freedom has a price
And we must remember those
Who paid it with their lives

Remember the
Fallen, not forgotten
They were the heroes
Who stood so tall
And forever, we will remember
With honor and glory,
They gave their all
Fallen, not forgotten
They were the heroes
Who stood so tall
And forever, we will remember
With honor and glory,
With honor and glory,
With honor and glory,
They gave their all

1998 Shepherd Boy MusicASCAP (adm. by Word, Inc., a division of Word Music) and Weedom