The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:49 PM

I've read about vanity publishers in Writer's Digest magazine, and there are a number of vanity presses listed in the classified ads in the back of the magazine. They are for people who are absolutely desparate to get published and who have either been rejected by forty-eleven publishing houses or who are too chicken to submit their work for the scrutiny of an editor. Vanity presses don't pay the writer an advance or royalties, nor do they get involved in distributing the book. A vanity press charges the writer to "publish" (i.e., print and bind) the book. Then, it's up to the writer to sell them.

They often offer some additional services, such as cover design--for which the writer pays extra.

There is very little difference between self-publishing and vanity publishing. Really indistiquishable as far as I can see.

The usual result is that that the aspiring writer winds up with a box of 500 books under his or her bed. No. Make that 488. They've manage to get rid of twelve of them by giving them away as Christmas presents to friends and relatives (who generally find them quite useful for propping up the short leg of a wobbly table).

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 06:14 PM

"I'd rather be bitten on the arse by a funnelweb in the dunny"

Ruth, if you can be in Burton-on-Tweed this coming Saturday, then I think that can be arranged. Just ring up Bertie Wooster on 112 Staunton Street when you arrive, and we'll take it from there.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 06:05 PM

"see poem # 92, if you like."

Keep dreaming, Crocodile Dundee. I'd rather be bitten on the arse by a funnelweb in the dunny than engage with another syllable of your risible "life's work".

Compost heap, recycling bin, delete button: all the same. Excrement finds its own level.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 05:17 PM

The weather here has been lovely WAV, thanks for asking. Mid 70's F with a lot of sun and a slight breeze. Fall is definitely in the air. Looks like rain for the next couple of days.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 05:10 PM

I have briefly looked at "recycling" Ruth - see poem # 92, if you like.
How's the weather in Iowa, KB - bit of a swirl, but we had quite a nice autumn day here in Newcastle.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 04:37 PM

Truth be told I have only gone to the site of VAV's life's work a couple of times and didn't read that much while there. It's tough enough to slog through them here. The discussions that swirl around him can be fascinating, though, even if his poetry isn't.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 03:44 PM

Mate, the "delete" button is just as effective.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 03:27 PM

Since I only have an electronic copy of the "life's work" am I going to have to find a virtual recycling center?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 03:00 PM

it contains good ways forward for recycling, Wavey Davey. Little else.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 02:45 PM

My work in manufacturing paid for the travel and the self-publication of my life's work, Stu; and I did so as I'm sure it contains good ways forward for humanity, Stu and Ralphie.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:47 AM

OK Chaps.

Just done an audit.
Nat Istrument thread...........563
Walkaboutverse2 thread.........703
5000 Morris Dancer thread......724

Grand total...................1990 posts
Has he changed his bizarre view on life?
Is he going to?
Are we wasting our time?

Thats enough publicity for this person. (I say person, not Singer, Musician, Poet, That would be too demeaning for those of us who attempt in whatever way we see fit, to further ALL of the Arts that we are involved with).

Who else on Mudcat has enjoyed this much oxygen of publicity?
We are all suckers.
Lets all go and talk to some of the many interesting and erudite people on other threads, and leave Wav to his weird world.

(you could say "Mudcat is WAV-ing goodbye"...with apologies to Sooty!)

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:33 AM

And just a thought. No-one is interested in putting one over on you. You do that yourself.

I believe that you do my nationality a disservice with friends across the pond and elsewhere. I have not authorized you to speak on my behalf as an Englishman.

I believe that you do my interests a disservice with anyone who reads youur postings. Whatever folk music is, it isn't how you represent it to the world.

I believe that your lack of coherence reason and logic in your posts offers a disservice to university education, which in turn devalues the qualifications which I and others obtained.

I teach. I encourage students to learn and to develop ideas; to question and justify their conclusions. I continue to learn every day of my life. I defer to those whose studies can inform me, and to those whose skills can inform my skills.

I have no interest in getting one over on you or anyone else. I have no point which I need to prove.

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:06 AM

Who paid for your book WAV?

No problem with your attempting anything - just with you self professed expertise on topics where you are a tyro.

If you put yourself up as an Aunt Sally, don't be surprised at the responses.

Is your website vanity publishing? Or what is the motive?

I and others have offered support, comment and friendship over your threads. Your hectoring and posturing have alienated many of us.

Why do I post? I feel that your efforts are meritorious; I would wish however that you were rather more self critical than pompous, and that you recognized that on a public forum you are what you post.

I repeat my points above (or elsewhere I can't be bothered to look).

You are not yet a poet, nor a folkie, nor a political pundit. You are a wannabee. That is what your posts and publications tell me and others on this site. I applaud your efforts and interests but reject your results and conclusions

Stu (French Educator?)

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 06:50 AM

"Please list here, without linking to your bloody website, all of the publishers who have PAID YOU for your work. An equivalent PAID gig list would be very welcome." (Ruth)...I've made it clear that everything I've done on the folk and poetry scenes, thus far, has been as an amateur - just a few mini free-drinks/entry type gigs/spots.
Stu the teacher - you better look up what vanity publishing is...the description from you that I responed to a few posts back (and I stand by my response).
And some of you do, I feel, fall into the trap of knocking things and folks YOU WOULD NORMALLY SUPPORT in your desperation to put one over WAV.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 02:31 AM

Only if you live in the North East...
A familiar concept.

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 07:47 PM

So they publish everything that's submitted.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 07:13 PM

As of today this page has been visited 57 times It contains some poems. It can be downloaded free of charge.

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 07:05 PM

I was published in the Red Star penny a word page at eight years old. It was poetry. I earned enough to go to the pictures.

I do not include it in my CV.

For interest: From the North East Poetry Journal Rules

Editorial Policy


*Poems are accepted in good faith to be the work of the named persons; the views they express are theirs alone.

*Poems must not be offensive or incite racial and religious hatred.

*Spelling mistakes, poor grammar, and misuse of punctuation marks are corrected as a matter of course.

*Poems are reviewed sensitively; changes are made only when absolutely necessary.

*No further permission will be sought from the poets prior to publication. However, if you wish to see a pre-print copy of your poems, please send a stamped self-addressed envelope when submitting your poems.

*Since the Journal caters for poets living in the North East, please make sure to state your location.

*The Poetry Journal can be downloaded from the Internet free of charge. If wish to buy a copy, please make your cheque for £3.50 payable to Lanchester Community Association.

Hardly a National then

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 06:41 PM

"Also, do you think the Evening Chronicle, NE Poetry Journal, etc., are "vanity publishers" Stu...?"

Please list here, without linking to your bloody website, all of the publishers who have PAID YOU for your work. An equivalent PAID gig list would be very welcome.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 02:47 PM

I like the song, but please, learn HOW to sing before hurling it at m.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 02:36 PM

So, having asked on the ENMU thread, it does seem to be Stu the teacher who left England for France - repatriate, pal, and we can have a go at "The Tyne Exiles Lament"...and dedicate it to Volgadon!
Also, do you think the Evening Chronicle, NE Poetry Journal, etc., are "vanity publishers" Stu...?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 01:54 PM

Honestly WAV I don't think anyone gives a hoot what part of Australia you come from, or why.

Many of us would enjoy reading your poetry if you edited it and revised it and removed the suspect ideas. We might even make suggestions as to how it could be improved (steady now everyone before you suggest ways).

I hope you get a job. I hope you earn a lot.

Your employer might require you to learn new skills....

Please talk to a good singer and ask his/her advice.

Please send you poetry to a publisher other than a vanity publisher.

Please stand for Parliament.

Please join a morris team

Please don't buy any more commas from the comma shop


Au revoir

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 01:51 PM

But you have refused to answer my question, which is obviously uncomfortable.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 01:39 PM

"Hoo-hoos", Ruth, follow the words called out to me; the whistling follows the on-the-move words; and the humming follows the mention of "peace of mind". And, believe it or not, some have liked "Walkabout with my Pen".
Also, as I've said, maybe next time from an interview I'll get the job instead of "Why ON EARTH did you come back"/"You must be mad", etc.
And at least now, Volgadon, you've accepted the fact that I am a repat., if not, presently, a very successful one.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 12:48 PM

Ah, but Wav, why should repatriates be any different, especially if they lived most of their lives outside of their native land?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 12:16 PM

S&R - Isn't that the one that has the "hoo-hoos" in it? That's the part where the tears of laughter were running down my face.

I'd still like to know how exactly WAV feels he's benefitting "good English culture" by emigrating here - sorry, repatriating - only to become dependent on the state.

Do you not feel guilty in telling people like me that we oughtn't to be here when my hard work and money are keeping you?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 12:13 PM

Me, Volgadon - nothing as I repatriated, with my passport and birth-certificate; and get off that catnip, Catspaw, and wash your foul mouth out of it.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 07:27 AM

He used his mother as a reference. Well known to the authorities, she was like a fine shotgun......two cocks and she blows! They could always count on her because just like a Liberian tanker, she went down all the time.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 05:54 AM

Come in, WAV, do you read me, WAV?
Wav, how do you prove to the immigration authorities that your motives were pure?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 05:29 AM

Testing, Volgadon.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 02:42 PM

Wav, how do you prove to the immigration authorities that your motives were pure?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 01:00 PM

Sorry it's really not your beef Stu nor Spaw...but, remember, these things are subjective.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 09:33 AM

Ya' know I'm not sure which particlar disastrous part of that piece (of shit) had me laughing the most but I have decided the word "tropical" is my choice. Tro-Pee-Kull?

On an overall basis though the singing itself outdoes all else in comedic value but as an individual laugh I'll go with tropical.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 09:11 AM

LMAO.....oh that's rich.....

Wavy has hit a new low!!!! This is a must listen and stu tells it like it is.

Wav, I don't know about MC to B but I can safely say your talents run the entire range from A to B................well, maybe not................maybe just A to A...............You really do suck.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 06:00 AM

..with a range of MC to B (newly worked out via playing a line, singing a line, playing a line...on my beloved English flute), it's one of 17 CHANTS from Walkabouts, Stu.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 05:03 AM

Oh everyone do listen to the above. Wav - I listened, and I thank you for the best belly laugh I have had for months.

Poetry it isn't. Song it isn't. It is wonderful comedy - honestly.

If you're not an intentional comic you should be.

Musically lacking, with the most tortured non-English stress patterns I have ever read or heard, it is the height of unintentional(?) farce.

I thank you sir for the tears of laughter; for the ache of the laughing muscles in my stomach, for the almost dislocated jaw and for the hyperoxygenation that can only come from the best act of the best comedians.

Are you real or are you an invented persona?

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 04:14 AM

THE WEEKLY WALKABOUT, E.G.

Poem 2 of 230: WALKABOUT WITH MY PEN

Once drove an old sedan, up north,
    From a place in Sydney to Cairns;
Then to Kuranda I went forth,
    By train, to look without set plans.

I browsed through the trendy market,
    With fresh fruits of tropical kind;
Walked to the creek through lush thicket -
    Nature's hand giving peace of mind.

I dined in a scenic cafe;
    Then, outside, as I wrote for yen,
Some passing Kooris called-out: "Hey,
    You go walkabout with your pen."

Request or question, I don't know -
    Assured voices, elderly men.
That's now several years ago,
    And I've seen the world - with my pen.

From walkaboutsverse.741.com
Or have a listen to it sung on myspace.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 07:17 PM

Why do I smell another covert racism post about to occur?

And btw Wavypeaballs, Alf Ramsey molested Cocker Spaniels then sent them to your mother..........

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Joe P
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 06:22 PM

So you 'returned' to the UK so that you could give land back to the Aboriginal people of Australia?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 05:11 PM

What occured?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 04:43 PM

Volgadon - It occurred after studying "Pre-Colonial Aboriginal Society"; "Aborigines and the State", etc.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 02:11 PM

Answer the question, mate.
We all know you returned at 30, but why did you return?
How do you PROVE that you emigrated from Australia to England on idealistic grounds? For all they know you are an Australian (after all, you lived most of your life there) who 'returned' to the motherland for financial gain.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 01:53 PM

Volgadon - you have picked all manner of bones with me but, fair go mate!, as an Aussie may say, I'm AN ENGLISH REPATRIATE: left at 3, RETURNED at 30.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 01:43 PM

I don't think any government gives a tinkers dam WHAT day you were born on. How do you prove that you emigrated from Australia to England on idealistic grounds? For all they know you are an Australian (after all, you lived most of your life there) who 'returned' to the motherland for financial gain.
Maybe all immigrants born on the day that Ramsey's team won the cup should be let into England.....

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 01:29 PM

No forklift opening huh? Or are you doing better on the dole?

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 12:16 PM

I'm an English repat, Volgadon, actually born the day Alf Ramsey's English team won the world cup, thanks. And, Catspaw, I do of course keep my political mouth shut at interviews, but am not so sheepish re. my fork lift truck licence, as one never knows when the usual fork lift driver may not be available.
And fancy Ralphie posting at 666!

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 08:41 AM

A capitalist immigrant who can't get a job...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 08:38 AM

"Wav, under your regulationist regime (what a silly term), how would you prove that YOU aren't a capitalist immigrant." (Volgadon)...birth certificate, passport.

How does that prove anything?
All that proves is that it is easier for you to be a cap. immigrant.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 08:30 AM

WAV....
You had a partner?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 08:28 AM

666
Go Figure