The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Ruth sans cookie
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 10:14 AM

Look - it's the amazing disappearing posts!

I believe i was explaining to WAV that I am NOT employed by EFDSS - I sit on its governing body. I am self-employed. I speak for no one other than myself when I call his stated views racist, and sometimes sexist and homophobic, too. I will continue to refute his poisonoius views as long as he keeps making racist and xenophobic statements and trying to harness them to English folk culture.

If the only way you can fight the battles you yourself have started is to threaten to contact people's employers, doesn't that illustrate the bankruptcy of your ideology? Eliza Carthy is the EFDSS Vice President, but she spoke only for herself when she told you where to get off, Wavey. Are you gonna try and shop her, too?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 10:10 AM

Well yeah Irish.....But who the hell besides Wavydickless would take the bet? (;<))

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: irishenglish
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:18 AM

Hmmm two things from WAV-
"My, above, manifesto isn't racist, IB, because there is no racism in it.

By the way, the last Weekly Walkabout questioned gambling...any thoughts on that matter..? "

So it is a manifesto then WAV? Or a life's work? or your life's work manifesto?

Gambling? Let me put a 20 down that says you quote from yourself again instead of answering questions put to you. No wait, I'm feeling lucky, make it double or nothing.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:53 AM

WAV writes: "Don - instead of all your knocking and bragging, do some recording for us to check FIRST."

What a sniveling little piece of shit you are Wavyblowboy. Your complete lack of knowledge about Don Firth shines brightly through in that one stupid sentence. Don was performing live and a major part of the folk scene in his area about the time your sorry, broke-dick, self was born! If you had any interest in the others who live here in the Mudcat village you would know that. You don't. Mudcat is blessed by having the likes of Don Firth among us as well as Bob Nelson, Art Thieme, Bruce Murdoch, Sandy Paton, Jean Ritchie, and so many others.   Speak not of that which you don't know.

Your own work is so pathetic and laughable that statements like the one you made above are the ones that are the most defamatory of all. Your voice is below average at best and your blow-job technique on recorder coupled with your lack of any musicality make your offerings distasteful and in need of becoming burnt offerings. Please take all your crappy recordings and racist life's work out to the back and burn them......then run them over with a forklift.

On the other hand, YOU cannot be defamed by being labeled what you have have proven yourself to be with your own words..........a RACIST AND A BIGOT. You actually use the word "manifesto" regarding that drivel you write????? Last guy who used that was the Unibomber preceded of course by Hitler.   I'm sure both are closet heroes of yours.

You're still young but I figure the syphilis you inherited from Mumsy has already started eating away at your brain which causes you to act like such a complete moron. Either that or the genetic code passed on by the yak your mother kept as a lover is incompatible with that of sub-humans.....like your mother. Must be one or the other or maybe both......................

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:00 AM

Put your money where your mouth is, call the National Council and listen as they laugh you off the line for wasting their time with such trivial nonsense.

"WAV, when i post here i post as an individual, not as a representative of any organisation. i have made this clear in the past, and it's partly why I choose to use a nom de guerre." (Ruth)...I got your real name (Joan Crump) and organisation (EFDSS/National Council) of work FROM YOU ON MUDCAT. And people can and have been brought before their seniors at work for things they do and say outside of work. Here's your latest: "I stand by everything I've ever said about your xenophobia, racism, narcissism and self-aggrandisement."...that about someone, me, who has found his way on a shoestring through about 40 countries, has at least tried to support the land rights of Aborigines, Masai, etc., has never attacked any particular culture or race and, on the contrary, does indeed love the world being multicultural. And, in your desire to attack me, you have also come up with this regarding my alma mater: "Just because an admissions officer with some hardcore recruitment targets once took pity on you,". Then: "Anyone who wants proof need only read what you've written." (Ruth)...here's my life's work.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Joseph P
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 06:25 AM

I'll Win the lotto
That is my motto
When things are feeling gloomy

But getting employment
will increase life-enjoyment,
so time to hand out my resume!

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 06:12 AM

"My challenge still stands, how many of the jobs you were passed over for were given to immigrants?" (Volgadon)...I'd like to ignore this, but your style involves reposting it ad infinitum so - no idea." (me)
One wonders why you'd have liked to ignore the question. Shall I take your answer as a no, can't think of a single instance? Puts the lie to your whinging rant. It also shifts the responsibility back to you."(Volgadon)...I don't know about such cases in Israel, Volgadon, but in England feedback on a failed job applicatiOn would not normally involve who got the post.

"WAV, when i post here i post as an individual, not as a representative of any organisation. i have made this clear in the past, and it's partly why I choose to use a nom de guerre." (Ruth)...I got your real name (Joan Crump) and organisation (EFDSS/National Council) of work FROM YOU ON MUDCAT. And people can and have been brought before their seniors at work for things they do and say outside of work. Here's your latest: "I stand by everything I've ever said about your xenophobia, racism, narcissism and self-aggrandisement."...that about someone, me, who has found his way on a shoestring through about 40 countries, has at least tried to support the land rights of Aborigines, Masai, etc., has never attacked any particular culture or race and, on the contrary, does indeed love the world being multicultural. And, in your desire to attack me, you have also come up with this regarding my alma mater: "Just because an admissions officer with some hardcore recruitment targets once took pity on you,". Then: "Anyone who wants proof need only read what you've written." (Ruth)...here's my life's work.

Don - instead of all your knocking and bragging, do some recording for us to check FIRST.

"...some may not mind being called racist but I hate it, and "fight" back with words against it" (me)..."If you weren't racist, you wouldn't have written, posted & published what you have. Yes, you fight back with words, Wavy, but only in the form of lies and tantrums of personal abuse, not with any attempt to explain how your ridiculous manifesto isn't racist." (IB)...who recently on the "England's National Musical-Instrumnent" repeatedly referred to a recorder as an "Engrish frute"...because it was made in Japan?
My, above, manifesto isn't racist, IB, because there is no racism in it.

By the way, the last Weekly Walkabout questioned gambling...any thoughts on that matter..?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 03:35 AM

Have to say Don that your last post was one of the most reasonable so far.
Good luck with the project, always interested in how others interpret songs.
Look forward to hearing the result.
I very much doubt that Dave will take your advice though!
Regards
Ralphie

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 05:36 PM

"Rollin', rollin', rollin'....RAWHIDE!!!!!!!!!!!"

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 04:07 PM

...some may not mind being called racist but I hate it, and "fight" back with words against it

If you weren't racist, you wouldn't have written, posted & published what you have. Yes, you fight back with words, Wavy, but only in the form of lies and tantrums of personal abuse, not with any attempt to explain how your ridiculous manifesto isn't racist.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 03:55 PM

David, I said "I've seen this kind of thing before," referring to people who would rather not work if they can survive on the dole, but make excuses, not just to their friends and acquaintances, but to themselves, that it's not their own lack of ambition that keeps them from working, but "those other people," be they immigrants from Pakistan or Jamaica moving to England in hopes of finding work, or in the United States, Mexicans crossing the border to take domestic jobs or do farm work, or citizens who happen to be members of ethnic groups that have previously been discriminated against. Those "other people" make a good excuse for not bothering to try. As long as the unemployment insurance holds out.

And the people who drew unemployment checks while complaining about affirmative action, did have to try. It was a legal requirement that they had to apply for at least three jobs per week. There were people (the one's doing the complaining) who did the minimum required by law. Those who were serious about finding another job were out there putting in several applications every day. And, I might mention, even in the worst of times, they generally found work within a very few weeks.

It is not me who is naïve, David, it is you being disingenuous.

And—

"You've also criticised my myspace attempts at music, before being politely asked if there's anything of yours we can check on the web..?"

When I was critical of your attempts at music on your MySpace site, I was pointing out (and I don't think I would have much disagreement from others who have listened to it) that posting the things you have on MySpace is way premature if you want to be taken seriously as any kind of musician. Your work on the recorder shows that you are a relative beginner on the instrument, and when you sing, you do so without breath-support and a very precarious sense of pitch (which may very well be aggravated by the lack of breath-support).

What I was endeavoring to get across to you was that—again, if you wish to be taken seriously as a singer and musician—you should not be presenting yourself to the public before you are ready.

And for heaven's sake, don't take the position that since you're doing folk music, you don't have to be able to do it well. That's not only patronizing, it demonstrates contempt for both your audience and for the music itself.

What you should do is to sing for some long-time, experienced singer whom you can trust to tell you frankly what you are doing right and what you are doing wrong. You probably can't afford singing lessons in your present circumstances, but when you can, taking some singing lessons would be a very good idea—that is, if you want to pursue singing seriously. At least learn how to sing a whole phrase without sounding like you need to gasp for air, and to sing on the correct pitches without wandering off.

This is not a put-down, David, it's good advice. And I don't think there is anyone here, or any singer, professional or serious amateur, who would disagree with what I have said above.

And you asked if there is anything of mine on the web that you can check (the implication seeming to be that "If I'm so hot, why haven't I posted anything, like you have?" As I believe I told you before, I do not have anything on the web right now—not because I'm afraid to expose myself—but because I am currently working on a series of songs for a CD. Or several CDs. I've recently acquired some good quality recording equipment (a couple of good condenser microphones, an analog-to-digital interface for the desktop computer in my office, and miscellaneous other gear such as mic stands and pop-filters), and I am setting up a home studio. In the meantime, I'm selecting the songs—from the repertoire I have been singing in performance for years—that I want to record. In addition, I am learning a number of new songs. It will be some time before the project is complete. But I guarantee, it will be professional quality.

When it's well along, I will indeed post a number of songs on the web, for you to judge for yourself.

You may not like much of it, however, because in addition to a number of American songs, many of the songs will be from the British Isles, along with a couple from continental Europe.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Gervase
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 03:48 PM

I suppose we should be thankful that most bigots are so bloody stupid. Wor Davey might actually be worrying if he wasn't so lamentably dim. Stubborn little bugger, though...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: irishenglish
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 03:46 PM

Oh WAV, whether you were claiming the sentence that I copied of Don's as naive in your opinion, or the entire paragraph as being naive in your opinion, I will say, since YOU have no flipping idea about it, that you are the one being naive. What Don said was spot on. And we are obliged here to broaden our jobsearch too, or haven't you seen the unemployment numbers here in the US? I have a degree, but guess what, I'm not working in anything related to it. In fact, most Americans probably are not working on what they went to 4 year university for. And then there's all of those that never went to university but have great jobs because they are great workers.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Ruth, who has lost her cookies.
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 03:29 PM

WAV, when i post here i post as an individual, not as a representative of any organisation. i have made this clear in the past, and it's partly why I choose to use a nom de guerre. What else I do in my life, and who for, has largely been mentioned by others - unlike you, I don't feel compelled to pimp my every achievement all over the internet, creating a website in homage to myself and constantly drawing attention to it. In fact I never even had a website till last week, and the one I have now is to promote my business, not my Way Forward For Humanity (nor my crap melodeon playing, come to it - unlike you, I won't inflict my piss-poor musicianship on the world until I'm a lot better). You'll notice, I've never mentioned the address on Mudcat.

My gripe with you is one of personal ideology, and it's rather pathetic of you to try and scare me off by "outing" me. In fact, it demonstrates the weakness of your arguments that these are the sorts of tactics you're prepared to resort to in order to try and shut me up, rather than working out reasoned responses to the many questions which have been put to you.

I stand by everything I've ever said about your xenophobia, racism, narcissism and self-aggrandisement. Anyone who wants proof need only read what you've written. Hoist by your own petard.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:44 PM

"You are a racist, David. A nasty, narrow-minded, sad little racist" and "Just because an admissions officer with some hardcore recruitment targets once took pity on you," (Ruth Archer/Joan Crumb of the National Council - who surely SHOULD be having words.)"

Why?

"My challenge still stands, how many of the jobs you were passed over for were given to immigrants?" (Volgadon)...I'd like to ignore this, but your style involves reposting it ad infinitum so - no idea.<\i>

One wonders why you'd have liked to ignore the question. Shall I take your answer as a no, can't think of a single instance? Puts the lie to your whinging rant. It also shifts the responsibility back to you.


"Wav, analytical abilities have nothing to do with formal studies, if proof of that were needed, one needs look no further than YOU." (Volgadon)...yes, there are of course different ways of learning: I, e.g., have taught myself informally to read and write/mimic music - just the top-line melody, mind.

That wasn't an endorsement, Wav. Of course, you are proud of being a poor musician who can barely play just the melody, so why should I be surprised.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:38 PM

600 is big
600 is brawny
600 Spartans
went to their glory.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:31 PM

I've read a lot of what you've had to say about yourself on Mudcat, Don, and that last post of yours was naive - when you examine it "a bit" note that you started with "I've seen this kind of thing before" - in reference to the situation here, where, as said, unemployment is expected to be double soon.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:13 PM

"Naive?" I don't think so, David. You don't know diddly-squat about me or my life experiences. Believe me, "naive" I am not.

But judging from the vociferousness of your response, I seem to have hit a pretty sore spot. Quite revealing. Maybe you should examine that a bit.

Or maybe you shouldn't. You might not like what you find.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:06 PM

I'm not going to assume that the last Guest was Ruth Archer/Joan Crump as in "The National Council at its meeting on 17 May 2008 agreed to nominate ... Joan Crump" from Google, but I stand by that said above (apart from the spelling of the surname); and note that this time you attacked not only me but also the "university...admissions officer with some hardcore recruitment targets once took pity on you,".

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:34 PM

'that after I just said I support Plaid Cymru and the Scottish Nationalists, as well as English NOT British nationalism - so who's "blinkered and narrow-minded"?'

You, Wavey. you're proud that you want even more tiny, insular little boxes than the BNP.

Sorry, who's meant to be having words with me? I am championing our Good English Culture (yep - it's mine too) and protecting it from racist Little Englanders. Surely whoever this mysterious "Council" I work for is should be giving me a big, grateful cuddle.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:23 PM

Probably just a true English spelling Tim.................

Wavybigotboy, why not go walkabout again and this time leave your pen at home. Also leave your current beliefs there as well. Open your eyes and ears and perhaps your mind will follow suit. Someday the truths that are out there and free to any and all who wish to see them might actually illuminate your long recovery and return to the world of caring and loving human(e) beings.

Or you could just get another blow-job from your Mum.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: mandotim
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:12 PM

The spelling mistakes are repetitive too...
Tim

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:00 PM

"The BNP is all about England for the English - but if you want to distance yourself from them by actually pointing out that you are even MORE blinkered and narrow-minded than they, go for your life. At least we're finally getting somewhere." (Ruth)...that after I just said I support Plaid Cymru and the Scottish Nationalists, as well as English NOT British nationalism - so who's "blinkered and narrow-minded"?
"Yes, but you've been sitting there on your arse during the boom years, Wavey, taking the English taxpayer's shilling because you couldn't get a job in your chosen profession" (Ruth Archer/Joan Crumb)...false and defamatory from someone who somehow has a job with the National Council, who, in my opinion, should be having words.
"IB has proved over and over again that his capacity for critical analysis is first rate. He also has an intellectual curiosity which leads him to seek out specialist study, not wikipedia" it was actually IB, Ruth, who, on the "England's National Musical Instrument" thread posted the Wiki. site that lists national instruments - including Englands.
"You are a racist, David. A nasty, narrow-minded, sad little racist" and "Just because an admissions officer with some hardcore recruitment targets once took pity on you," (Ruth Archer/Joan Crumb of the National Council - who surely SHOULD be having words.)

"Wavy - maybe it's an example of my lack of analytical skills but for the life of me I can't make any sense of what you're saying here at all. Could you have another go? Or maybe someone else would be good enough to lend me a hand...Otherwise, a simply apology would have been enough, but obviously your overweening arrogance doesn't extent so far as contrition." (IB)...some may not mind being called racist but I hate it, and "fight" back with words against it. On the other hand, when you suggested 2 months before was too early to post "Cob a Coaling" on myspace, I explained my reasoning and then suggested I'll probably leave it till one month before next year - in partial agreement/without any questioning of your analytical abilities. But what I will keep questioning is the act of immigration/emigration itself, from SEVERAL angles - as New Labour, e.g., must also have recently done/as is acceptable within a democracy.

"Wav, analytical abilities have nothing to do with formal studies, if proof of that were needed, one needs look no further than YOU." (Volgadon)...yes, there are of course different ways of learning: I, e.g., have taught myself informally to read and write/mimic music - just the top-line melody, mind.
"My challenge still stands, how many of the jobs you were passed over for were given to immigrants?" (Volgadon)...I'd like to ignore this, but your style involves reposting it ad infinitum so - no idea.

IE - you didn't repost the full quote I was responding to, see above. and we are obliged here to broaden our jobsearch - as I HAVE done (like Ruth, you are ASSUMING things). The responses are repetative because the questions are repetative.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: irishenglish
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 09:31 AM

WAV, this was one of your responses to Don's excellent post.

" Blaming affirmative action for their not having gainful employment and thus having to live off their unemployment checks was a very convenient excuse for them to sit at home and watch soaps or spend their days hanging out at the local coffee shop or bar." (naive Don)."

Why is that naive? That absolutely has happened. You who only visited America wouldn't have a clue about that anyway, so why don't you take Don's word for it. Most people want to work, and most people don't want handouts. Something Ruth said as well that I think is important. In a difficult time, you take ANY job you can lay your hands on, be it washing dishes or working for McDonalds. Its soul sucking, but its also money that you need. Or you work 2 crappy jobs, or even 3 jobs. My wife has done that, living in her own place, supporting herself, living off of ramen noodles and peanut butter, but she did it. Your ad infinitum excuses grow wearisome simply because you seem either incapable, or unwilling to do much other than blather on about top line cittern playing country dancing. In every thread you have begun, verifiable proof from multiple sources have proven you wrong in your thinking. Ruth is correct as well when she says that piece of paper you treasure actually means much. Sure, it means you had an area of focus that you took the time to complete, but every thing else after that point comes from you-you have to find and get yourself a job. If you wanted a guaranteed job you should have skipped the courses and did something that, as here in the states, leads automatically to a job, like police or fire, or some medical jobs.

Your manifesto which you cling to as if it were a life preserver while adrift at sea is wearisome. You seem incapable of fully elaborating and elucidating your reasoning, which is why you resort to the same quotes, time after weary time.

What I really think WAV is that you should stop finding blame in life. Stop compaining about how what you think of as folk is not "proper" folk because of one thing or another. Stop blaming other people for your difficulties in getting a job. Stop blaming people for misunderstanding you, when you really don't do a good job of explaining yourself without resort to repeating yourself.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:54 AM

Wav, analytical abilities have nothing to do with formal studies, if proof of that were needed, one needs look no further than YOU.

My challenge still stands, how many of the jobs you were passed over for were given to immigrants?

"Until, of course, they form some sort of Oswald Mosely tribute band."

Tastefully accompanying themselves on English flute and English cittern, top-line melody only of course.

"I remember the days when we went walk-aboutsy,
to Cable Street, to fight Anarchy,
When England was English, e.g.,
When people grew ivy and had roast for tea,
When Our Own Good Culture was unsoiled by singing in harmony!"

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:52 AM

Wavy - maybe it's an example of my lack of analytical skills but for the life of me I can't make any sense of what you're saying here at all. Could you have another go? Or maybe someone else would be good enough to lend me a hand...

Otherwise, a simply apology would have been enough, but obviously your overweening arrogance doesn't extent so far as contrition.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:41 AM

The BNP is all about England for the English - but if you want to distance yourself from them by actually pointing out that you are even MORE blinkered and narrow-minded than they, go for your life. At least we're finally getting somewhere.

"Perhaps it's their general inability to cope, and they fasten onto a former time in which they feel they would fit."

Spot on, Don. Maybe Wavey should create a 1930s re-enactment society - he could sit in a cheerless brown room in front of a mean little coal fire, eating bread and cheese off a newspaper tablecloth, and chunter away to other similarly misanthropic and socially backward specimens - happily there was no internet in the 50s, so presumably we'd never have to hear from any of them again. Until, of course, they form some sort of Oswald Mosely tribute band.

"I just heard an estimate that the number of UE here will soon double due to recession"

Yes, but you've been sitting there on your arse during the boom years, Wavey, taking the English taxpayer's shilling because you couldn't get a job in your chosen profession - unlike all the immigrants (including me) who have done whatever work we could find, if need be, to keep ourselves and our families, and who have never claimed a penny in benefits.

As someone who has taught at undergraduate level, I'd like to be absolutely honest about what a BA proves: bugger all. I taught students whose language and reasoning skills were as piss-poor as yours, Wavey, and unfortunately, several of them walked out with a decent degree. Now, I can't speak for the Australian education system, but I'm not aware of it as a shining pinnacle of world academic excellence. So assuming the standards to be similar to those in the UK, there will be many different types of universities and institutions of higher education. Some of these are desperate for bums on seats (usually the ones whose academic credentials are a bit rubbish, and where pretty much anyone can get in because the twin mantras of Recruitment and Retention hold sway. They will pass anyone. Indeed, I found myself not allowed to fail students, because if we did, we wouldn't meet our targets.

So you see, Wavey, a bachelor's degree is just a bit of paper, and for some years now they've been handed round like sweets. It's what you do with the bit of paper that matters, whether it's using it as a stepping stone into further study or getting out and driving a forklift truck.

IB has proved over and over again that his capacity for critical analysis is first rate. He also has an intellectual curiosity which leads him to seek out specialist study, not wikipedia articles and one-volume encyclopediae. He is also very articulate and expresses himself with clarity and focus, and does not simply repeat the same lines of dogma until everyone wants to throttle him.

Based on your proven intellectual capacity, I wouldn't let you onto a hairdressing course, let alone into a university. Just because an admissions officer with some hardcore recruitment targets once took pity on you, please don't assume that this makes you the intellectual superior of anyone here, especially IB.


"DON'T publish it anymore"

If you can publish whatever old shite you like and pimp it round the internet, who are you to tell dictate what others can "publish", particularly when it's clearly based on conclusions anyone could draw from your writings?

England was more English 50 years ago...immigrants are coming here and taking jobs from native-born English people...English culture is taking a hammering...different cultures cannot live under one state law...

You are a racist, David. A nasty, narrow-minded, sad little racist. And I'll shout it from the flipping rooftops, as long as you continue to try and harness your poisonous ideology to the folk culture I love.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 05:32 AM

"I've seen this kind of thing before. In the United States, when affirmative action laws came into existence, there were people who blamed the laws for their own inability to find work, claiming that people from minority groups keep getting chosen over them. There were many who could manage to get down to the unemployment office to pick up their weekly check, but wouldn't stir off the sofa for the rest of the week and go looking for work. "Why bother?" they would rationalize, "They'll only give the job to a black or a Hispanic or a woman. . . ."   Blaming affirmative action for their not having gainful employment and thus having to live off their unemployment checks was a very convenient excuse for them to sit at home and watch soaps or spend their days hanging out at the local coffee shop or bar." (naive Don)...I just heard an estimate that the number of UE here will soon double due to recession - and we know that New Labour have recently allowed record amounts of economic/capitalist immigration (only the last year or two have they strengthened regulations); and if you insist on being personal as well, there were, despite the conditions, a couple of Production Manager posts which I have just APPLIED for - with my 4 tech. certificates and degrre in humanities. You've also criticised my myspace attempts at music, before being politely asked if there's anything of yours we can check on the web..?.."blather, baloney, claptrap, drivel, twaddle, and gobbledygook"..?
Gervase - I'm an English NOT a British nationalist, who also supports Plaid Cymru and the Scottish Nationalists.
IB - " I do not publish my opinions"...that's an example of what I just said of you - you who repeatedly calls me a racist because I repeatedly question immigration/emigration; you don't analyse things clearly - another example, when I previously said New Labour have just recently strengthened immigration regulations with English tests, etc., you decided they are "all mother-fuckers"!
And I only ever question your analytical abilities when you call me a racist - when I have only questioned THE ACT OF IMMIGRATION ITSELF, not any particular race or culture. WITH SOME QUALIFAICATION, you could call me an anti-immigrationist but racist IS false and defamatory - DON'T publish it anymore.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 05:38 PM

False and defamatory from someone with a short memory to boot - we went through cases of loss of culture/society suffering ad infinitum - who changes his stance (toward issues such as capitalism and TV) weekly, if not daily.

Instances & examples, Wavy - remember, you are the one under scrutiny here - not because of what you believe in, but because of what you publish and promote. I do not publish my opinions, much less insist anything I believe is The Best Way Forward for Humanity. In this respect my approach to my life, and my craft, is entirely consistent, albeit fluid, unlike the leaden lifeless dogmatic mess you've mired yourself in.

And then comes up with this: "please go home to Australia"!...okay, there was a proviso but no wonder you failed at formal studies IB - you just cannot analyse things clearly...much enthusiasm but very little training, it seems.

Now this is false and defamatory, Wavy; it is also a deeply personal attack. As already discussed, I did not fail in my studies, rather I became ill with ME which forced my withdrawal from Durham University. This I originally mentioned in good faith, you have used it as ammunition against me ever since. What does that tell us about you? You might imagine how I feel about this; you also might imagine how it's going to be when our paths next cross in person.

Remember - you publish and promote your racist ideology; you also frequent this forum where you relentlessly (and mercilessly) promote your Life's Work. Whilst this gives me the right of criticism, it does not give you the right of personal attack.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Gervase
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 05:17 PM

"you just cannot analyse things clearly...much enthusiasm but very little training, it seems"
Such a shame we can't all see things with the clarity that a BA in Humanities and four technical certificates gives one.
As for 'humanities', isn't that a bit vague and all encompassing? It's a bit like a BSc in Science - a quick spin around but no depth. At least Nick Griffin studied history and law - although he did only manage a Desmond.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 03:28 PM

okay, there was a proviso but no wonder you failed at formal studies IB - you just cannot analyse things clearly...much enthusiasm but very little training, it seems.

That is petty and vicious, not to mention rich! You, Wav, are the one who has failed, despite your BA. The reason you didn't continue is quite obvious. You are incapable of looking into an issue in any depth, and your abilities and desire to conduct research are wanting.
Your methodology is sad and pathetic, you dictate a position and pick and choose your sources to match it, ignoring anything inconvenient. You think te best sources are horribly generalised and bland encyclopedia entries, as well as the unreliable wikipedia. No, it is definitely you who has failed at formal studies.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Gervase
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 03:25 PM

False and defamatory!"
Tautologous and wrong, I'm afraid me old ocker. And we won't even start on the pleonasm.
I suggest you take a look at what defamation actually is. It's something false uttered or published to a third party which will tend to cause you loss in your trade or profession or cause a reasonable person to think worse of you.
As for 'false' - justification is a defence for defamation, matey. Look at the David Irvine case.
And as for the opinion of the man on the Clapham omnibus - you're doing a grand job at defaming yourself. With every successive post you come across as a blinkered, witless, naive and foolish individual prone to spouting the sort of drivel that the BNP and its ilk peddles softly to would-be sympathisers.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 02:48 PM

I'm afraid that David is nostalgic for a world that never was. There are a fair number of people such as this. It's the "good old days" or the "Golden Age" syndrome. Were one of these custodians of illusion to be time-machined back to the era they idealize, their disillusionment at what they really find there would quite probably be devastating.

Perhaps it's their general inability to cope, and they fasten onto a former time in which they feel they would fit.

Sad, but what can one do?

Unfortunately, though, David's ideas about his "pure English culture" seems to be based on his erroneous belief that there actually existed a time before immigration, and it's this sudden influx of immigrants that he blames for both "corrupting" English culture—and for taking jobs ("capitalistic immigration") away from English citizens (i.e., him).

I've seen this kind of thing before. In the United States, when affirmative action laws came into existence, there were people who blamed the laws for their own inability to find work, claiming that people from minority groups keep getting chosen over them. There were many who could manage to get down to the unemployment office to pick up their weekly check, but wouldn't stir off the sofa for the rest of the week and go looking for work. "Why bother?" they would rationalize, "They'll only give the job to a black or a Hispanic or a woman. . . ."   Blaming affirmative action for their not having gainful employment and thus having to live off their unemployment checks was a very convenient excuse for them to sit at home and watch soaps or spend their days hanging out at the local coffee shop or bar.

Amazing how quickly they got motivated—and managed to get a job despite affirmative action—when their unemployment insurance ran out.

Now, on another subject:

Spaw is one of nature's noblemen.

When I first posted on Mudcat on September 2, 1999, catspaw49 was one of the first people to warmly welcome me to this forum.   I find that he is generally friendly, informed, and both incisive and humorous in his comments. This is when the discussion is at least marginally rational.

It is when someone from the nincompoop brigade climbs aboard and begins trying to peddle pure blather, baloney, claptrap, drivel, twaddle, and gobbledygook that he often darts into the nearest phone booth to emerge a few seconds later wearing his cap-and-bells. On these occasions, he tends to pour forth such a burst of outrageously creative imagery that the heavens echo and ring with the laughter of the gods! One looks forward to these occasions!!

Catspaw49 is possessed of Super Powers!

Let 'er rip, Spaw!

In awe and admiration,

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 02:03 PM

False and defamatory from someone with a short memory to boot - we went through cases of loss of culture/society suffering ad infinitum - who changes his stance (toward issues such as capitalism and TV) weekly, if not daily.
And then comes up with this: "please go home to Australia"!...okay, there was a proviso but no wonder you failed at formal studies IB - you just cannot analyse things clearly...much enthusiasm but very little training, it seems.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 12:33 PM

that's false and defamatory - I love the world being multicultural, and have only questioned the act of immigration/emigration itself.

Wavy - you can can this until you're blue in the face, but the fact is you are a proven racist with a racist ideology who publishes racist propaganda. You only love the world being multi-cultural to justify your vision of a mono-cultural ethnically cleansed England. If you weren't racist, believe you me you'd see things very differently to the way you do - and you wouldn't come in for the flak that typifies the overwhelming contributions to your threads.

Not only have you questioned the act of immigration, you have done so on entirely false and specious grounds such as England was a more English place 50 years ago and English culture is taking a hammering etc. etc. When asked how English culture is taking a hammering, you evade the question; likewise when asked how society is suffering as a result. Not a single one of the reasons you have given for your opposition to immigration is anything but racist, even your much professed love of a multi-cultural WORLD.

England is a multi-ethnic country with a national population average of 13% made up of ethnic minorities. This is the reality of English cultural and ethnic diversity. If you wish to live happily in England, then you accept England as it is, not as you think it was 50 years ago. Join in the fun, Wavy - or else please go home to Australia and leave us in peace.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 12:32 PM

....................***sigh***..........so sadly true Gervase, so sadly true. But I have glorified my flatulence and now revel in its pungent wall of malodorus gases.

This is why I am so endeared of Wavydessicatednutsack. He has taken his ignorance and stupidity and glorified in much the same way. However his pungent wall of wretched smells is caused by his disreputable beliefs and his stubborn refusal to accept reality and truth.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 12:26 PM

...maybe Wiki's "England's National Musical Instrument" (thread atop) on Catspaw's collar would do the job, rather!

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 12:25 PM

The fog creeps in on little cat's feet...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Gervase
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:57 AM

The almighty has already done his worst with Spaw. The man has to live with his own farts, for Pete's sake.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:00 AM

Wav, if you expect the Almighty to unleash a thunderbolt and obliterate Spaw, then you are probably in for a long wait with a disapointment at the end.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 10:10 AM

Naw...Don...you miss my point. My position on these things is not what you imagine at all. Too bad we couldn't talk about it down at the coffee shop sometime, though.

Spaw has a special exemption here, WAV, due to past history. It's like Bob Dylan has always had a recording exemption, for example...he can put a way out of tune electric guitar on one track (Queen Jane Approximately) or leave obvious mistakes in the middle of various recorded songs on his albums and he gets away with it only because he's Bob Dylan. Some people even LIKE hearing his mistakes because he's Bob Dylan.

Well, Spaw's position at Mudcat Cafe is sorta like that too. ;-) You would have had to be here a long time to understand why that is.

Then too, it's vital to know when people are being serious and when they're not. I enjoy this thread primarily for the light amusement, as I said. Could be that's what Spaw is doing too.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 06:06 AM

"It's a pretty significant battle line - racist bigot on one side, the civilised world on the other..." (Gervase)...that's false and defamatory - I love the world being multicultural, and have only questioned the act of immigration/emigration itself.
And I see crude Catspaw hasn't yet received God's wrath nor Mudcat's...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:13 PM

Wavy's parentage is always a source of mystery and conjecture and I was pretty sure his Mum had carnal knowledge of a Yak. Rrecently I learned she also went to San Francisco after hearing "Dock on the Bay" by Otis Redding. Seems she heard it as "cock" and was really excited about the trip.

Arriving late one afternoon she found no line of cocks as she had expected but bending over to look hopefully under the dock, her ass was penetrated by an out of control pelican trying to land. Both went into the bay and while the pelican floundered about trying to survive, Wavy's Mum was royally fucked by a rogue harbor seal with a bad case of seal syphillis. This might explain why Wavy's such a dumbass.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 04:19 PM

As a matter of fact, I believe we discussed this once before, above. What I said above, I say again.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 03:10 PM

Little Hawk, you keep trying to take a position of aloof superior and speak as if you regard both those who express negative ideas and those who take a stand against them as if they were merely semi-interesting specimens in a Petri dish.

Remember what Dante said about the place in Hell reserved for those who maintain a "colorless neutrality" when confronted with moral questions?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:49 PM

If I thought it would ever drop off the bottom, I'd stop posting. As it is I find myself unable to allow his posts to go unchallenged. I believe others are the same

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Gervase
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:38 PM

It's a pretty significant battle line - racist bigot on one side, the civilised world on the other...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: peregrina
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:24 PM

What Little Hawk said. The baying vigilante mob is a horror even for a good cause...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:21 PM

WAV has not lost patience with Catspaw's outpourings either. I wonder why? ;-)

Nor has he lost patience with the fact that a number of people make it their daily ritual to congregate on this thread and personally attack him and call him names, even though it takes up some of their valuable time and it achieves nothing. Again, I wonder why?

He must be incredibly patient! ;-) Or...perhaps he is a masochist and enjoys the abuse? Or...making he's just taking the piss (as the Brits say) and is simply delighted when you all show up each day to pay attention, react to him, and hurl abuse? Or....maybe he is a sort of blithely innocent soul like the late William McGonagall, who toils on in unquestioning certainty that his creative efforts are not just good of their type...but absolutely classic, deserving of presentation to the Queen of England. If so, he will calmly persist in his efforts, and nothing anyone says here will suffice to persuade him to cease and desist. Nor should he. He has a right, like anyone, to express himself.

Anyway, my main point is that he is no less obsessive or silly than the rest of you. He's just on the other side of the battle line, that's all.

Me? I enjoy dropping in now and again to witness all this carnage and sound and fury signifying nothing. It's amusing. It's my daily chuckle. I hope WAV is enjoying it all too, because I don't like to see human beings in pain.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:33 PM

To help with punctuation


Stu