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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:47 PM Specifically, that August Harris poll I linked to shows the number one issue as The Economy (non specific) 43% Gas & Oil Prices 15% and Energy 15% The War 22% Healthcare 15% Immigration is down at 6% and National Security 2% There is a long list of concerns. It's interesting to see the breakdown. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 31 Aug 08 - 08:20 PM Posted Sunday, August 31 2008 at 19:23 "Barack Obama jumped to his biggest lead since late July in public opinion polls, after his speech to more than 75,000 people in a Denver football stadium when he accepted the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. Obama the man to fulfil Luther King Jr's dream Republican John McCain showed off his vice presidential running mate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin in this city, yesterday as Mr Obama's campaign aired a new TV ad urging voters not be distracted by McCain putting a woman on the GOP ticket. At the same time, their campaign unveiled a 30-second national TV ad that says Mr McCain's selection of Ms Palin should not obscure the fact that Mr McCain candidacy represents a continuation of President Bush 's policies. "So, while this may be his running mate," an announcer says with a photo of Palin on the screen, "America knows this is McCain's agenda." The visual then switches to a shot of McCain and Bush. "We can't afford four more years of the same." Mr Obama himself offered a non-committal assessment of Palin during a television interview. Speaking during a taping of CBS' "60 Minutes," Mr Obama said Ms Palin "Obviously, she's a fine mother and an up and coming public servant" but added "It's too early for me to gauge what kind of running mate she'll be. My sense is that she subscribes to John McCain's agenda." Meanwhile, how long Mr Obama holds the lead in polls is open to question, as voters react to Mr McCain's surprise selection of Mr Palin for his running mate and Republicans begin their nominating convention tomorrow in St Paul, Minnesota. Mr Obama leads McCain 49-41 per cent in the most recent Gallup Poll daily tracking survey, which measured voter sentiment during a three-day period ending on August 28." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Barry Finn Date: 31 Aug 08 - 09:05 PM "The two most important issues with the American people are immigration and foreign policy" pdq, is that your opinion? Cause I'd say that the economy is #1 & McCash hasn't got a clue what to do about that except to offer the rich more tax breaks & that's been oh, so sucessful as we've recently seen. Thanks Bush for the F#&king 600 bucks, it didn't even put a dent in my rising heating bills from the winter! On the other hand Obama has got a real good grasp with tax breaks to those that work for it & actually taxing the top 5% who've never paid their fair share in their lives & keeping those same folks the from getting the tax breaks to out source our jobs & again he's up to growing green industries as a new job & revenue source. Let the republicans sit & think about this for a few yrs while it passes US by. As for immigration, IMHO that's a republican smokescreen, why start now, when they've benifited from immigrants for so long & so much in the past, & reaped handsomely too I might add. Foreign policy! You've got to be kidding. The present & past policy & it's one McSpends endorses, is War & at the cost of, is it a billion a month it's been a twofold disaster, that's killing the economy & killing ours & their kids. Great job, well done so far. We now borrow from China to pay for a was in the Mid East, that's taking the food off our tables at home, raising the price of everything we ship, truck, train, transport or touch or eat. Meanwhile, the Oil industry is breaking all records in the profit sector, the drug companies are making killer profits that's gonna be the death of US all, education is off the price charts & the health care system is asking US all to bend over so than can do a rectal exam to see what's wrong with our minds for letting the republicans do what they've been doing to US for so long. Forget about SS, you won't be able to retire at this rate, you'll work for your medical conditions & drugs & even if you're as healthy as a hose by whatever the retirement age is by then you'll not be able to survive on your SS check so you'll probably be working till you drop dead & if it happens on the job hopefully OSHA is still in effect & your workers comp is up to date so your kids don't get buried paying the cost to give you closure & hope that you die before an Old Age retirement settlement selltes out of court & lands up with owning your kid's home too as well as their 1st borns. Immigration and foreign policy! That's not even the tip of the ice berg never mind the top of it! We're so fucked on so many fronts that it's mind boggling to even think of the repair work & the associated costs that's gonna be given to the next suceeding generations. Here comes My children & grandchildren are screwed becasue of the present & recent past republican administrations unless Obama gets in & works some magic, casue it sure ain't gonna happen with more from the same party of assholes. Here comes the "New Deal" again, the WPA for the 21st century. Now here we all get in line, And it's Buddy, can you share a dime We've had our coffee here before But the lunch pail's pale this time No more New Deals for me Just a job & a future please Health & Welfare & a sick day And a bit of coverage for the family In the 90's I worked overtime Personnal days plenty vaction time A living wage & yearly increase Oh those times they were so sweet Today's not worth the living When my back gave all it's giving And the drugs I need won't feed me I'd be better off in prison But I'll pack my pail once more And I'll head out of the door And I'll sweat my days away On this goddam killing floor And when I'm at my end days My kids will proudly say That he tried to feed & cloth' us But he only worked his life away Remember the "lunch pail"? It was a symbol of those times. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 08 - 09:35 PM Yeah, like they say, people vote their pocketbooks and this election will be no different... Once Obama beats back McCain's BIG LIE about Obama raising "your taxes" the rest will work iotself out fairly nicely... Problem is that right now, McCain's camp has injected several BIG LIEs into the campaign that the Obama team will ahve to dispell before the polls will move... But I do like the comment that Obama made about McCain not having the "temperment" to be president and I hope that his people will come out with a few ads showing McHothead to be just that and that oughtta buy Obama some time to beat back some of the BIG LIES while McCain scurries to come up with a number of ads where people give testimonials about just what a nice guy McNice really is... Kinda a chess game right now... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: TRUBRIT Date: 31 Aug 08 - 09:48 PM I heard on NPR that McCain had named a female to run--I caught just the tail end of it and didn't know who so called home in a panic to ask my husband if he had heard and if he thought it would get McCain elected. He had heard and said -- not that woman!!! As someone (pdq, I think) said earlier McCain could have picked Liddy Dole -- God, he could have picked Olympia Snowe from Maine and we might all be shaking in our shoes but this woman - a person who boasts of being a hockey mum? Please - it's insulting to the majority of women, I hope it will be the deathknell of the McCain campaign...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: mg Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:07 PM Olympia Snowe would seem to be an excellent choice. I have had some professional contact with her years ago and she was quite impressive. She is Greek-American I believe...well so was Spiro T. but would add some ethnic variety as well. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: pdq Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:07 PM What I said was: Liddy Dole is a very able person and quite capable of being president. I also said Colin Powell and Mitt Romney would have been good choices. I did not say McCain could have chosen Liddy Dole since her loyalty to Bob Dole ruled her out as a candidate. I respect her decision. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:12 PM Silly people are taking their ball and going home since some people say mean things about their candidate. These grown ups need a fresh perspective. Like one of my cartoons about people who protest protest; To question is to ridicule senslessly To ridicule is to attack To attack is childish To be childish is to question Don Hakman |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: TRUBRIT Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:14 PM My point was that if McCain wanted a woman on the ticket he had many other much stronger choices than Ms. Palin. But of course, those other women were not strong enough on pro life and creationism.......! Pdq - didn't mean to misquote you...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:18 PM I would say that the top three issues are the economy. Followed by getting out of Iraq, then banning abortion. Though for many of McCain's supporters abortion is first. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:22 PM "Seriously pdq. She [Sarah Palin] is without a doubt the least qualified person ever to run for one of the two national offices." Except for Barack Obama. She's more qualified than he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: TRUBRIT Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:24 PM The economy -- it has to be the economy....what else is there. We are spending $15K to change our house to a gas heating system because of the price of oil -- we are spending $4K to put in a pellet stove......we are among the lucky few because we actually HAVE the $19K this is going to cost to have done............; ; what do those poor souls living from pay check to pay check do??? Where is the end to it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:25 PM Jack, look at the Harris poll results for this month that I linked to. Abortion issue is WAY down the list of concerns of voters right now. Perception is not the same as reality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:37 PM Sarah Palin, whose education was in a small Idaho college, majoring in journalism and won her governor's race as a fluke because Murkowski became unpopular - TOTALLY NOT QUALIFIED for any federal level office! from wiki: "In 1996, she challenged and defeated incumbent mayor John Stein, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes. In January 1997, Palin fired the Wasilla police chief, citing a failure to support her administration. In response, a group of 60 residents calling themselves Concerned Citizens for Wasilla discussed attempting a recall campaign against Palin, but decided against it. The fired police chief later sued Palin on the grounds that he was fired because he supported the campaign of Palin's opponent, but his suit was dismissed when the judge ruled that Palin had the right under state law to fire city employees, even for political reasons." She criticized wasteful spending, then went ahead with building a big ice rink that has caused the city to cut back on funding for such things as the library. Well, she is anti-science, too, so I guess the library is not as important to her as having a hockey rink built in her name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:37 PM Alice, don't let the polls fool you. A lot of people won't say abortion is an issue because for them it is a given. But its a biggie. In the last few days I found that for a number of people I know. It is paramount. If there is no way they will vote for a pro life candidate. If they call him a baby killers, then other issues have no relevance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: SharonA Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:57 PM Apparently, Palin has some party-loyalty problems at home. According to this ABC News article, Alaska's Republican senior Senator Ted Stevens is up for re-election in a tight race with Anchorage's mayor. Stevens had endorsed Palin when she ran for governor in '06 (not during her primary, but 3 weeks before the general election) and she publicly and enthusiastically accepted that endorsement. Problem is that now Stevens is under indictment for lying about political gifts received. In July of this year, before the indictment but after the FBI raided Stevens' home, Palin and Stevens held a joint news conference and said there was no political distance between them. However, now that Palin is on McCain's "maverick" platform, the McCain campaign is keeping mum about whether Palin will or will not support Stevens' campaign. Yet more evidence that McCain didn't think through his choice for veep. Either McC has to look the other way while Palin endorses Stevens and tries to keep that Senate seat on the Republican side of the aisle (and shows the country that he's no maverick and that the GOP is the SOS), or he insists that she not endorse Stevens and he loses the Republican Senate seat and all the party-goodwill that he might have gained from Alaska by nominating their governor as VP. Idiot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: SharonA Date: 31 Aug 08 - 11:09 PM Jack the Sailor: I take it you mean "there is no way they will vote for a pro-CHOICE candidate." Ironic, isn't it, that McCain was a soldier in Vietnam -- there was a time when HE would have been called a "baby-killer". But nowadays, retroactive abortion by war seems to be the righteous thing to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Aug 08 - 11:41 PM Sorry SharonA, I often make that mistake. Of course nearly ever human being is pro-life, so that silly definition has never sunk into my head. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: SharonA Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:23 AM Nor into mine, Jack, nor into mine. Of course, nearly every human being is in favor of living AND in favor of having a free choice! The problems come in choosing for others.... "I choose not to let you be born because I chose to have sex without planning for parenthood" "I choose to kill you with a bomb because my country chooses to take something that your country has" "I choose not to let you be born because someone chose to rape me and you are the product of that rape" "I choose to shoot you dead because you are shooting at me for choosing to invade your homeland" ,,,None of these options seems preferable... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ebbie Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:34 AM My considered guess is that McCain is going to be unable to rein her in- Oh, is he going to be sorry... She is one stubborn lady; she don' lissen. Kind of like W with his gut feelings. Or Wally Hickel's 'little man on his shoulder'. Of course, if the investigative body finds her guilty of using political means for private ends and reprimands her, or worse, McCain may have to cut her loose. I doubt that will happen, though- McCain has the same stubborn little man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:58 AM "Sarah Palin gave a crowd-pleasing speech after she was selected by John McCain Friday. Conservatives were thrilled and women were just ecstatic. President Bush called her and congratulated her on her Olympic gold medal in women's beach volleyball. GOP convention delegates gathering in Minnesota Friday were overjoyed by Sarah Palin's selection. It fit the party's most pressing need this week. They had to have a candidate with no risk of being arrested in the Minneapolis airport men's room. Sarah Palin was slammed by environmentalists for her record on wildlife issues Friday because the governor favors shooting wolves from the air. In Alaska they call that predator control. In the Democratic Party it's called keeping an eye on Bill. Sarah Palin's choice Friday let the GOP match the Democratic ticket for exotic appeal. She's from Alaska and Barack Obama's from Hawaii. It's a chance for the Libertarian party to advertise Bob Barr as the candidate of the Lower Forty-Eight. Governor Sarah Palin married Todd Palin 20 years ago in Alaska where there are 10 men for every woman. The atmosphere is crazy up there. Women are warned not to look for husbands in Alaska, where the odds are good but the goods are odd." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:14 AM Maher on Palin.... ROFLMAO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:19 AM The eloped, after she graduated from college in Idaho, is what I read. There was some idiot over in a published "roundtable" at the WSJ who said she had more "executive experience" than Obama, McCain and Biden combined. All they ever did was run a "senate office." Ye gawds and gawddesses! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: emjay Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:20 AM Sarah Palin is reputed to have an 80% approval rating here in Alaska. Well, here in Alaska I have heard from people who claim to have voted Republican all their lives who will now vote Democratic, from another who swore he would never vote for Sarah Palin again and is now faced with a dilemma. Stop and thin about her so-called adminstrative experience in which she has attempted to micro-manage lower level employees. And she has attempted to inappropriately influence voting. There was a recent very public, very controversial ballot proposition calling for stringent controls on waste water disposal from new large scale mines. She appeared on tv saying she was appearing not as governor but as a private citizen, and saying she was voting against the proposition. She also opposes listing the polar bear as threatened or endangered species and has directed the state to bring suit against the listing. She denies there is any man-made cause of global warming. Because one has been in an administrative position does not necessarily mean one has been a good administrator. The governor she replaced was so bad it would have been hard not to look good. In one comment I have heard being circulated here in Alaska, "A woman voting for Sarah Palin is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders." There is so much more to know about Ms. Palin and so little of it tells anything about why she should be vice-president of the United States. Make that none of it would help there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:26 AM More like 65 and falling according to other reports. Why Palin is the Worst VP Choice Ever. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:06 AM LOL George W Bush has more than eight years of executive experience, and look how lacking in competence he is. Looks to me like executive experience is highly overrated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 08 - 04:09 AM This is form a conservative columnist: "The choice also says a lot about McCain. First, that he is a bit desperate," Coffin writes on the National Review site The Corner. "Second, that he is one arrogant SOB. McCain is essentially telling the world that he doesn't really need a Vice President.... Rather, the Office would seem poised to return to the 'proverbial warm bucket of p***' category." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: SharonA Date: 01 Sep 08 - 05:22 AM Kat, which columnist was that? I'd like to read that whole column; please give us a reference. Thanks! More to the point, which are the conservatives who are supporting McInsane's choice of Palin? (Aside from Rush Limbaugh, of course... he's a given.) Speaking of Rush, I just took a peek at his site, and one of his lead "stories" draws the parallel I drew earlier in this thread between Palin and Monica Lewinsky. Rush's headline: "Hillary's place taken by another woman... again." I knew that political cartoonists (or, in this case, politics' biggest cartoon) would be all over this aspect of the nomination. His unintended insinuation, though, is that McCain's veep is servicing Bill Clinton! This is what happens when they stretch the truth until it breaks: it snaps back to smack them in the face. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 01 Sep 08 - 08:18 AM nice to know Obama's supporters have claimed the high ground... (NOT) I guess it is only a lie if you blame it on the Bush administration. Sunday, August 31, 2008 Lefty Bloggers Go After Palin's Daughter Posted by: Amanda Carpenter at 5:47 PM Members of the lefty blogosphere haven't stopped perpetuating the rumor Sarah Palin "faked" her last pregnancy and are now humiliating her daughter Bristol on the blatantly incorrect suspicion she is the real mother of baby Trig. "Sarah Palin is NOT the Mother" is the title of this DailyKos blog that accuses Bristol, a completely fit-looking adolescent teen, of having a "baby bump" in a photo they allege was taken March 9th of this year. "Sarah, I'm calling you a liar" wrote blogger ArcXIX. "And not even a good one. Trig Paxson Van Palin is not your son. He is your grandson. The sooner you come forward with this revelation to the public, the better. " Photos of Bristol with detailed commentary about her abdomen are contained in the post. Not only is the DailyKos disgustingly inspecting Bristol's midriff with all the fervor of LA paparazzi examining J-Lo's or Jennifer Aniston's washboard stomachs for evidence of a "bump," the DailyKos is wrong on when the photo was taken. It was taken, and published, by the Anchorage Daily News in 2006. Baby Trig, a child with Down's Syndrome, was born on April 18, 2008. That's a long time for a teen girl to be carrying a "bump" which looks nothing more than the curve of a tight sweater. Shortly after Palin was announced as McCain's VP, bloggers at the Kos started ginning up the rumor Palin faked her pregnancy, allegedly to cover for an illegitimate grandchild, because she looked so fit and trim in photos taken a few months before giving birth. This is only the latest in outrageous attacks against Palin as a mother. Fox News anchor Alan Colmes, of Hannity & Colmes, titled a recent post on his blog Liberaland "Did Palin Take Proper PreNatal Care?" In it, he wondered if she somehow was at fault for having a disabled child. Colmes took down the post after being attacked by the blog Wizbang and later reposted a screenshot of the blog to prove he "wasn't running away from what I posted." Update: I originally mentioned this Kos rumor in a blog post about CNN's John Roberts's insinuation Palin would not give adequate care and attention to Trig if she became VP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 09:20 AM I would have thought by now, Bruce, you would have realized that all political parties have some good people in them. And, conversely, share the dregs among them. The number of scurrilous false reports about Obama that the true-and-red right wingers have promulgated outnumber those from the Obama camp by a large factor. Besides, Palin as she is is quite funny enough, without inventing Kerry-like falsehoods about her. "Remember, Alaska's the closest part of our continent to Russia, so it's not as if she doesn't understand what's at stake here." -- Cindy McCain, on Palin's lack of national security experience The logic of this proposition, which has been echoed by at least one TV commentator from the right wing camp, is so dismayingly moronic as to make one think one is in Wonderland. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Sep 08 - 09:27 AM Obama is going to be clinging to his guns and religion before this is over and... Oh yeah, that's right, he'a already clinging to his religion. We just need to figure out which religion that is... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 09:46 AM Because of Palin? Come on, Rig. She is a lightweight. On the subject Bruce raised of scurrilous attacks, here's a description of the Mcain vs Bush contest in South Carolina during the Reppublican primaries last time: "The crucible came in South Carolina, where the tone took a decidedly low turn. Bush stood by as a surrogate at a campaign event accused McCain of forgetting fellow veterans when he returned after five and a half years of captivity in North Vietnam. At McCain headquarters, reports kept pouring in about flyers and phone calls insinuating all manner of scurrilous things about the senator — he had fathered a black child out of wedlock, he beat his wife, he was mentally unstable, he had a secret Vietnamese family, he was a Manchurian candidate, he was gay, his wife was a drug addict and so forth. Bush denied any involvement in the whisper campaign, but for his own part took umbrage at a McCain ad saying the Texas governor "twists the truth like Clinton." Seems this is not a party specific attribute, does it not? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 10:17 AM Maureen Dowd on Ms Sarah Palin's selection. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 08 - 10:21 AM Do you make choices in your life to effect poor choices in your past, or do you make choices to effect your future? It is a serious question. I am inclined to think that most of your choices are geared to effect your future. The below rhetoric however is slanted to condemn the chooser past and future... "I choose not to let you be born because I chose to have sex without planning for parenthood" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Sep 08 - 10:22 AM "Because of Palin? Come on, Rig. She is a lightweight." Not compared to Obama! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:00 AM Compared to Obama she is fluff, dude. Harvard law versus a degree in psychobabble from, where was it, U. Minn?? Mayor of Wasilia versus Senator from Illinois? Hockey mom?? You got eyes asleep? Wake your eyes up, bro. They got some plain seeing to do. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:05 AM robomatic, get well soon. You were indeed brave to elect to have a vasectomy at sea. Some choices are permanent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:23 AM Amos, " Mayor of Wasilia versus Senator from Illinois? Hockey mom?? " She has been a gov. of a state- a higher position, and an executive. Obama has been a Sen. for about the same time- and has done very little other than run for President. If SHE is not qualified, then Obama needs to slink out the back door before someone looks at what he has DONE- I HAVE posted his votes FROM HIS SITE in several threads. She has more experience. You may not agree with her, but then, I don't agree with Obama- Does that give me the right to claim that HE is only a "basketball dad"? Feel free to say that you do not want her to be VP, but don't give us any bull about HER not being qualified while claiming Obama is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: pdq Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:31 AM "Feel free to say that you do not want her to be VP, but don't give us any bull..." Well put, bb! Please repeat that as often as needed until it gets through some of the thick skulls around here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:32 AM Here you go, Sharon: Click. That's where I read that quote. It's by Shannen Coffin a former something-or-other to Dick Cheney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:36 AM In 2006 she beat the corrupt male establishment in Alaska to win the governorship. She opposes same-sex marriage, but one of her first acts in office was to veto a bill blocking health benefits for gay lovers of public employees. She hunts, ice-fishes and is a crack shot who knows how to fire an M16 rifle. "I was raised in a family where gender was not going to be an issue," she said. "The girls did what the boys did. Apparently in Alaska that's quite commonplace." No softy, she sued to stop the federal government making polar bears an endangered species and favours drilling for oil in the Arctic wildlife refuge. However, she also levied a windfall tax on oil companies. " http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4641030.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093 "Ron Bonjean, top strategist for Senate and House Republicans The brilliant choice of Gov. Palin is that is has energized the conservative base while appealing to independents, working moms, disaffected Hillary voters and those who want change brought to Washington. It was smart, outside-the-box thinking to shake up the Obama momentum and has turned the media upside down on news coverage. Sen. Obama's inexperience is actually being amplified through McCain's choice. The more Obama's campaign and its surrogates attack Gov. Palin on her positive track record, the more damage they do to Obama's brand. Their attacks have a boomerang effect because it allows McCain's team to remind voters that Obama doesn't have strong leadership credentials. Gov. Palin's challenge will be to perform flawlessly over the next 60 days, because any mistake or misfire can quickly shape her image among voters who are still absorbing this choice. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:54 AM Right... brilliant of her to notice how polar bears are not endangered; like other unaware creatures they only think they are drowning. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:56 AM Obama taught constitutional law for 12 years. Palin's statements show that she has not had even a basic education in science. Bush doesn't seem to care about the constitution let alone understand it. A president who is an expert in the constitution is experience we need! Calling her time as governor in Alaska as 'executive experience' is a joke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:02 PM IF you compare the management of the two campaigns over the last year, you will find that McCain's leadership was a nervous wreck compared to Obama's, and he ended up having to go to Karl Rove and his ex-minions for help. But the problem wasn't that McCain was too decent and not ruthless enough. It was that he either had bad judgement, or exercised it far too little. ;>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: olddude Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:05 PM The biggest problem I have is when I hear about the issues. Then I hear McCain and Palin talk about how the republican party will fix the issues America faces, I have to ask ... gee didn't the party have 8 years to do it alrighty? McCain and Palin were not in charge but they spout out in praise the existing policies that didn't work for 8 years. I heard it was the democrats that don't want to drill off shore hence the gas problem blame it on the dems. Ok, I am one of those who don't think drilling will fix anything. But if the drilling was going to magically fix the gas situation ... Ahhhhh am I wrong ...didn't they have 8 years to do that? Ahhhhh didn't GW have a republican controled congress also ... If immigration is so high up on the list (not mine but ok) ahhhh didn't they have 8 years to fix that also ... my list goes on an on |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:14 PM The arguments over experience are rediculous... I mean, lets get real here... Dick Cheney and Feorge Bush each came to office in 2000 with more "experience" than either Palin or Obama... This is a red herring discussion which hides the more important issue of just what the positions are between Obama and Palin. Palin has been a critic of big oil because it was not drilling, ahhhh, fast enough... Palin would sertainly, if it were in her power, nominate a Supreme Court Justice who would be the last one needed to make abortion illegal. Palin would be a rubber stamp for whatever position the NRA wnated furthered and would appoint pro NRA Suprme Court justices... Palin would continue the occupation of Iraq for the next hundred years... Palin would cut social programs whereever she could get away with it... Palin would support the unconstitutional Patriot Act... Palin would support the Bush tax cuts which have been a major reason for the current state of our economy... Palin would continue to support every danged Department of Defense request for more and more money... This is what this election is about, folks, so to my friends here who have allowed themselves to get bopgged down with the bogus "experience" argument you are being led into the usual Republcan trap that diverts youe attention away from the things that the Repubs don't want to talk about... If you truly support a progressive agenda than ignore the red herrings that the Repubs are throwing at you... Every day they can keep the real issues off the table is another day they win the debate... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:39 PM "Harvard law versus a degree in psychobabble from, where was it, U. Minn??" University of Idaho. But don't forget, Obama was portraying himself as a minority, and affirmative action was-and-is very much in vogue at places like Harvard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:46 PM "portraying himself as a minority" ???!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:57 PM Well, his mother is not, after all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Stringsinger Date: 01 Sep 08 - 01:01 PM Sent: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 1:22 pm Subject: Fwd: from a friend's classmate about the Rep VP This is one Alaskan's point of view, which seems useful to share, one-sided thou gh it may be. Mudcatters, this from a friend. All you have to do is Google Palin's bio readily available online to find this consistent with it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- What an election season ahead! As an Alaskan, I am writing to give all of you some information on Sarah Palin, Senator McCain's choice for VP. As an Alaska voter, I know more than most of you about her and, frankly, I am horrified that he picked her. The most accurate description of her is red neck. Her husband works in the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay and races snow mobiles. She is a life time member of the NRA and has worked tirelessly to allow indiscriminate hunting of wildlife in Alaska, particularly wolves and bears. She has spent millions of Alaska state dollars on aerial hunting=2 0of these predators from helicopters and airplanes, dollars that should have been spent, for example, on Alaska's failing school system.We have the lowest rate of high school graduation in the country. Not all of you may think aerial predator hunting is so bad, but how anyone (other than Alaska wolf-haters, of which there are many, most without teeth), could think this use of funds is appropriate is beyond me. If you want to know more about the aerial hunting travesty, let me know and I will send some links to informative web sites. She has been a strong supporter of increased use of fossil fuels, yet the McCain campaign has the nerve to say she has "green" policies. The only thing green about Sarah Palin is her lack of experience. She has consistently supported drilling in ANWR, use of coal-burning power plants (as I write this, a new coal plant is being built in her home town of Wasilla), strip mining, and almost anything else that will unnecessarily exploit the diminishing resources of Alaska and destroy its environment. Prior to her one year as governor of Alaska, she was mayor of Wasilla, a small red neck town outside Anchorage.The average maximum education level of parents of junior high school kids in Wasilla is 10th grade. Unfortunately, I have to go to Wasilla every week to get groceries and other supplies, so I have continual contact with the people who put Palin in office in the first place. I know what I'm t alking about. These people don't have a concept of the world around them or of the serious issues facing the US. Furthermore, they don't care. So long as they can go out and hunt their moose every fall, kill wolves and bears and drive their snow mobiles and ATVs through every corner of the wilderness, they're happy. I wish I were exaggerating. Sarah Palin is currently involved in a political corruption scandal. She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn't like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce. The man's performance and ability weren't considered; it was a totally personal firing and is currently under investigation. While the issue isn't close to the scandal of Ted Steven's corruption, it shows that Palin isn't "squeaky clean" and causes me to think there ay be more issues that could come to light. Clearly McCain doesn't care. When you line Palin up with Biden, the comparison would be laughable if it weren't so serious. Sarah Palin knows nothing of economics (admittedly a weak area for McCain), or of international affairs, knows nothing of national government, Social Security, unemployment, health care systems - you name it. The idea of her meeting with heads of foreign governments around the world truly frightens me. In an increasingly dangerous world, with the economy in shambles in the US, Sarah Palin is uniquely UNqualified to be vice president. John McCain is not a young man. Should something happen to him such that the vice president had to step in, it would destroy our country and possibly the world to have someone as inexperienced and inappropriate as Sarah Palin. The choice of Palin is a cheap shot by McCain to try to get Hillary supporters to vote for him. when McCain introduced her today, Palin had the nerve to compare herself with Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro. Sarah Palin, you are no Hillary Clinton. To those of you who, like me, supported Hilary and were upset that she did not get the nomination, please don't think that Sarah Palin is a worthy substitute. If you supported Hillary, regardless of what you think the media and the democratic party may have done to undermine her campaign, the person to support now is Obama, not Sarah Palin. To those of you who are independent or undecided, don't let the choice of Palin sway you in favor of McCain. Choosing her shows how unqualified McCain is to be president. To those of you who are conservative, I guess you have no choice for president. But please try to see how the poor choice of Palin tells us a great deal about McCain's judgment. While the political posturing inherent in the choice of Palin is obvious, the more serious issue is the fact that the VP is, literally, a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sarah Palin is totally and unequivocally unqualified to be vice president, let alone president. I know this is a lengthy and emotional email, but the stakes are high. I thought it might help for all of you, regardless of political affiliation, to know something about Palin from someone who has to live with her administration in Alaska on a daily basis. Distinguished Teaching Professor Chair American Studies/Media and Communications |
