Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine

Subject: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 05:38 AM

not that I buy the paper but I know a lass who does.

Liza basically giving answers to mostly frippery of her life. Though there is mention of her next production. A baby girl. And a move north to Newcastle. I wonder - a teaching role at the Uni? I might work out with motherhood.

Good luck Liza.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Colin Randall
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 08:03 AM

I love the way no one dares mention the Telegraph(s) without some variation of the assertion that of course they'd never be seen dead with it.

And yet two years after I left the Daily, where I was the folk critic as a sideline to my main job, I still hear quite regularly from publicists, agents or artists hoping that I will do an interview, preview a gig or review an album.

But I suppose it's just their way of saying they'd never dream of reading it closely enough to know whether or not I was still there...

Colin
Salut! Live

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 08:06 AM

If anybody has any doubts about the general position of the Torygraph just read their latest attacks on the BBC.

L in C

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Colin Randall
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 08:18 AM

...it wasn't a defence, but an observation.

   Dave Swarbrick, talking about the premature obituary, told me four or five years ago that I could quote him as saying he was a keen reader of the paper provided I added that he disagreed with its politics. Which I did.

   
Colin
Salut! Live

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 08:23 AM

Maybe one day the SUNRAY FOLK CLUB might get a mention!

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Colin Randall
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 08:39 AM

Pity you didn't pop up before they fired me!

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 10:05 AM

Hey - for the record - the only rag I pay for is the New Scientist. Because it tries to print the truth and succeds from what I see.
I read this Telegraph mag because I saw the words Liza and Carthy. Otherwise I read the motoring page for mention of MotoGP and there ain't none of that till next year.

Oh and the Matt cartoon is very incisive.

Now can we talk about Liza?

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Colin Randall
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 10:54 AM

Why not, Mr Red?

She's my singer of the year, and made my album of the year. That's just one man's view, of course, but someone sought it in a poll and Eliza Carthy got my votes. If the students at the Uni course find her tutoring them, they'll come to little harm.

I'd better not tell you who has just been made editor of the New Scientist.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 03:17 AM

No tell me who owns it and then I will judge the editor.

As for Liza - more power to her. I wish her health and her daughter when born.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 04:10 AM

personally I like the fact that the Telegraph is so extreme,it is clearly biased and makes it easier not to take seriously.
the Guardian which is also a capitalist paper,is much more cunning, and an extremely boring read,if you dont fall asleep while trying to read it.
I prefer the Morning Star.http://www.dickmiles.com

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: GUEST,baz parkes
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 07:42 AM

I could have sworn I read this on Saturday...:-))

Baz

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 08:27 AM

Guest,Baz:
Possibly, the colour supplements get delivered mid-week. It is not unusual for our local shop to put Sunday's supplements in Saturday's papers & vice versa.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 08:54 AM

For fecks sake at least get her name right, ELIZA, ok

eric

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 02:08 PM

We went to see Eliza and band last night at the Guildhall in Lichfield. She was very good indeed, although she's obviously finding touring and playing a bit too much. She was breathless and shattered. Difficult to believe that her daughter isn't due till Spring.

She also seemed to have a cold and was late starting the concert. Something was going wrong somewhere.

Tremendous band, though, and a very enjoyable evening. My sister and brother-in-law weren't particular fans at the beginning of the evening but they were by the end.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 02:12 PM

her baby is due next month.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 02:36 PM

Der Sturmer probably had a great sports section and crossword....

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 07:55 AM

Liza is how they printed it. And the photo did make her look nearer term than Spring for sure. Maybe a Christmas baby.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 08:01 AM

Mid-December is the due date, I believe.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Cllr
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 08:18 AM

I used to read the telegraph then that bloke who did the folk as a side line left 8-)

but then he mentioned both my folkclubs in the early nineties iirc correctly once was SoH in 94 and the other when i had Roy Bailey so to speak!

Cheers Colin

Cllr.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 06:53 AM

well, I would like to wish Eliza, good health.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 07:59 AM

Latest news about Eliza's health

" have just been informed by her agent that Eliza has had to pull out of her tour due to ill health.

Eliza has sent the following message:

After much consideration and soul-searching I sincerely regret to announce that I am unable to finish my November tour. I've been suffering from difficulties with singing and speaking caused by a cyst in my throat and for the last couple of months have been attending Ear, Nose and Throat clinics both on the NHS and last week in Harley Street. I have begun voice therapy and physiotherapy but have been told that the cyst is being exacerbated by water retention and swelling caused by my pregnancy, and while the normal treatment for this includes anti-inflammatory drugs this is not possible at the moment and the only thing that will drastically improve my vocal health is to have my child and rest, and see the specialists again in the Spring. The physical effort of trying to sing past this obstruction is just too much for me at the moment and what I am able to produce as a sound is alarming and inconsistent and leaves me exhausted and in pain after every show. I am assured that I will return to full vocal health after my daughter is born, and would love to have the opportunity to honour my commitments then.
My apologies to everyone.
Eliza"

Wishing her all the best and a safe delivery.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 11:05 AM

Cap'n Birdseye - if The Grauniad's a capitalist newspaper, God help us with the likes of The Sun, Express, Mail, Times etc!

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 11:52 AM

correct Jim,its just very easy to spot the bias in the telegraph,and it has an eccentric maverick streak.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Cllr
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 04:53 AM

thoughts are with Liza all the best and for a safe delivery.
Cllr

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 07:15 AM

The Torygraph is very right wing, but hey, this is a free country. You can't slag off a newspaper just because you dont agree with it's politics. It is a good newspaper and it's news pages try to show an objective view of the news.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: GUEST,Meggly
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 07:21 AM

Hi Penguin Egg,

I think the fact that it is a free country means that you can slag off a newspaper because you don't agree with its politics!

People have always and will forever prefer the news wrapped up in their own colours (and no matter how objective a paper tries to be it's always going to be biased to a certain point of view); otherwise there wouldn't be a market for all these different dailies.

By they way, is there an on-line version of this article? I've tried to look on their web-site and can't find anything.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 07:25 AM

1. The Torygraph is very right wing,
True

2.but hey, this is a free country.
Almost all the popular press are right wing. How healthy is that?

3. You can't slag off a newspaper just because you dont agree with it's politics.
The Torygraph slags of all kinds of things every day

4.It is a good newspaper and it's news pages try to show an objective view of the news.

No they don't. They have a right wing, totally committed, and particular view of the world.

Sorry, perhaps you were being ironic and I am being moronic

Cheers

L in C

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 07:27 AM

Captain Birdseye. The Morning Star throughout it's whole wretched excistance has supported murdering ruthless left wing dictatorships. It puts the Daily Mail's brief flirtation with the Nazis completely in the shade.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 07:28 AM

Meggly. I agree. We are free to slap off each other and there is an unhealthy right wing bias in UK newspapers.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 07:48 AM

well, with respect most capitalist newspapers have supported,murdering right wing dictators at different times,the telegraph supported Franco.
a fairly good balance would be to read the Morning Star and the Telegraph OR Financial Times.
my favourite paper is The Irish Times

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Stu
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 07:58 AM

I prefer The Morning Star.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 08:32 AM

A work colleague brought me in the Sunday telegraph magazine (I read the Guardian, okay?) but I can't find anything in about Eliza. The front cover is of Anne Rise with the caption... "My Work is allo for Christ now" ...
is there a second magazine?
Derek

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Wolds Wanderer
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 08:36 AM

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Wolds Wanderer
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 08:38 AM

It was in the Saturday Colour supplement.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 08:41 AM

According to the esteemed Mr Parkes way above, he read this on Saturday.
Where he read it is another matter. The Torygraph website is silent.
I did an interview with Ms Carthy's dad in the Morning Star over 35 years ago.
Will that do?

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Colin Randall
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 02:00 PM

.....and, as I remarked to Diane in a private e-mail, a great figure from the Morning Star of the 1970s assured me, when I was leaving the Press Association for the DT that he saw no shame in working for such a paper provided you maintained your own integrity.

I leave others to judge whether I - emphatically not a Tory - succeeded in that, as a news reporter, news editor, mentor to young recruits, foreign correspondent and, yes, folk critic. I worked there for 29 years, so some would say I'm bound to be biased; they sacked me in moderately controversial circumstances, so others would assume me to be prejudiced.

Yet the fact is that I was only one of many news reporters who, along with specialists and sub-editors and others (forget the Right-wing comment gang), tried to report the news fairly - and probably did so, in the DT's better days, more often than most parts of the British press.

And more importantly, I also wish Eliza - people who know her better than most of us have long shortened it to Liza - a healthy delivery and strong recovery from her present condition.

Colin Randall

Salut! Live

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 02:20 PM

I am very pleased Derek Schofield reads the Guardian.
Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Penguin Egg - PM
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 07:27 AM

Captain Birdseye. The Morning Star throughout it's whole wretched excistance has supported murdering ruthless left wing dictatorships. It puts the Daily Mail's brief flirtation with the Nazis completely in the shade.
I reckon penguin egg needs to check his spelling it should be existence,not excistance.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 02:22 PM

I guess it's typical of this site that many of us soon get off the original point and ramble on about our own prejudices.

I confess, if it is at all relevant, to putting a spanner in this. I had heard, I think, the editor of the DT ranting about the BBC after the Ross / Brand chaos, more or less demanding the end of the licence fee and turning the BBC into a commercial body.

I think it is not recognised by many on the Liberal / Left that almost all Jounalists simply attempt to write the news of the day. I guess the ideologues that write the scary headlines and the editorials are the few who are employed because of their commitment?

I used to read the headlines of most papers as I waited to buy a pint of milk on my way to work. The Daily Express ran about 8 or 9 anti Asylem Seeker headlines, day after day, including "Asylem Seekers ate my Donkey". The DT was often a slightly more polite version of the same - on a whole range of issues.

I guess those of us who worked in the public sector in the 1980 essentially worked for Thatcher, did we not, although perhaps with some organised resistance?

We all wish Eliza and her baby the best. I thought the E was silent.

L in C

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 02:29 PM

It might be worth mentioning that I contacted Nottingham Playhouse today re their upcoming Waterson/Carthy gig (18th Nov) and the agency has assured them that Eliza will be part of the line up. Apparently it is only her solo work that is affected.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: Colin Randall
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 02:47 PM

Les
Well if you look back to message two - mine - or even Mr Red's opener, you'll see you weren't the first to stray off piste.

But if your perusal of the Telegraph began and ended during the short queue for milk in a paper shop, when you were also studying up to a dozen other newspapers' headlines, I can understand your confusion.

I certainly don't recall the DT's "polite version" of Asylum Seekers ate my Donkey". I DO recall hearing Robin Cook, when being interviewed by the Today programme about some health controversy during a general election, say in exaspertaion: "Don't take my word for it, read the Telegraph's account this morning."

It was my story, and no one summoned me to an office to be kicked, rebuked or sent off to political rehab.

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 04:32 PM

Colin Randall is absolutely correct. The job of a journalist is to report who? what? when? where? concisely and accurately and therein journalistic integrity lies. He wasn't a leader writer and would not, therefore, have any right or reason to put a political slant on what he wrote and, as far as I am aware (either at PA or at the DT), he did not.

I should like to explain to the person called Penguin Egg that I arrived, coincidentally, in Moscow on the overnight train from Kiev on 11 September 1973 with a YCL delegation to be greeted with the news of the bombing of the President's palace in Santiago, the murder of Allende and, later, that of the New Chilean Song Movement musician Victor Jara by Pinochet's thugs. I called immediately, there on the platform where I was supposed to be making a speech of solidarity with Russian platform sweepers or something, for the Soviet airforce to get into their planes and rescue the Chilean people. No, I wasn't expelled (I don't suppose many secret police were listening) and so I was able to send first-hand reports of Soviet people's reactions to the crushing of Popular Unity by the Thatch's mates. And yes, the Morning Star used them.

As well as a crash course in spelling, I'd advise another urgent one in distinguishing left from right and good from bad in political and humanitarian terms.

(Oh, and best wishes to Eliza and get yerself back to work asap. What an excuse! Tsk, Tsk).

Subject: RE: Liza Carthy in Sunday Telegraph Magazine
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 04:46 PM

well said,Diane.